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[Dinashadow]

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I don’t know why you would assume tinkerer would be a village ability. Care to elaborate?

i am not sure why you would assume tinkerer would be village necessarily.


Looks like she just knew his ability, never his affiliation.

No I didn't know his affiliation but I assumed. M## has played very village the whole game. I guess I just considered him as not being a wolf and didn't really think of him as a chaos role because of mostly feels I guess.

 

[Dinashadow]

She was also trying to convince us that the mods lied about your affiliation. When we weren’t buying it, she switched to me. It was me, zig and dina against you in her posts until it was clear Dina and i didn’t buy the whole chaos to wolf conversion about you. Now all of the sudden I’m chaos.

Sorry I'm slightly lost. Who is the she in the first sentence?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

She was also trying to convince us that the mods lied about your affiliation. When we weren’t buying it, she switched to me. It was me, zig and dina against you in her posts until it was clear Dina and i didn’t buy the whole chaos to wolf conversion about you. Now all of the sudden I’m chaos.

I was not trying to convince you of anything. I was tin foiling. And I clarified with the mods that it was an accurate announcement at the time. I genuinely didn’t know, hence why I was questioning it. Apparently in games their can be false things like that

Dina knows my affiliation. Look at zig’s behavior over the last few days.



Just FYI, every single person who has suddenly latched onto me has flipped wolf. Your behavior is very strange suddenly. First you say you’re basically 100% on me, then you tag me with a song that basically implies you and I are the only villagers left. Now all of the sudden you don’t trust me and think I’m chaos. Which is exactly what stagg, pickles, mutt, and grebes did. All wolves.

I don’t think that you’re the wolf because my night result said the furry thing stood by me all night.

But you are behaving super strange and weird which is making me think you’re chaos.

And what have I done for village lately? I gave you back your ability so you could protect someone.
I resurrected MSU in an attempt to bring back another villager.


And, if you look back on the lynched where killed a villager over the last few days, I did not lead a single one. Unlike you.

No, she actually doesn’t know your affiliation. She assumed. Look above.

And no, your assumption everyone has flipped wolf who has latched on to you is both incorrect and faulty logic. Doc suspected you were chaos and you said the same exact thing to her.

I’ve been acting erratically because like I said, I trust no one. And I needed to figured stuff out and think before posting.

Again, makes no sense I would be chaos.

No seriously, what have you done for village? Bringing back MSU really didn’t help village at all besides that she can comment. She can’t vote and doesn’t count for chaos’ win contingency. Care to explain why I protected you instead of doc on n2 or are you just going to ignore that?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

There*

 

[Dinashadow]

Ill also be out for a while but I've given this some thought.

1. Matt I've been the most back and forth about but last night he gave back ziggy's protection. I suppose he could still be chaos but I think a wolf would not have wanted to make it harder for them. Imo least likely to be wolf based on the last 24 hours.

2. Ziggy I've had as village the longest. But I had some wrong thoughts about the prior wolves and typically my best way to catch wolves is to reexamine my village pile which I've failed to do this game because she's been very helpful

But or has she? :/ the past several days she's led drives on those who have flipped village and those that have flipped village were leading drives on her. I think it's totally possible they were right. In the last 24 hours, she's protected Matt but conveniently the kill was against MSU. Chaos needs to dead for wolves to win so killing either of us wouldn't make sense. And now she's trying to push me as a chaos-wolf hybrid which does not make sense and is a total 180 from seeing Dina as chaos before

Wolf? Imo most likely

3. Dinasaur

I feel like she is playing the same. Still top choice for chaos.

I feel like this would lean more towards Ziggy being chaos than wolf. Also how would you explain her saying she was attacked and then nobody dying that night? Nobody else spoke up that they were attacked.

 

[Karabiner13]

D10 Unofficial Manator Tally

dina () -
matty (1) - zigzag

1/4

Deadline 10pm est (~5.75 hours)

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Sorry I'm slightly lost. Who is the she in the first sentence?

Zig.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I was not trying to convince you of anything. I was tin foiling. And I clarified with the mods that it was an accurate announcement at the time. I genuinely didn’t know, hence why I was questioning it. Apparently in games their can be false things like that

Reread your posts. You were very clearly trying to steer me and Dina in a specific direction.

No, she actually doesn’t know your affiliation. She assumed. Look above.

Everyone is assuming everything. She assumes I’m village because of my play. And she’s right.

And no, your assumption everyone has flipped wolf who has latched on to you is both incorrect and faulty logic. Doc suspected you were chaos and you said the same exact thing to her.

Doc didn’t tunnel on me like you’re doing now. Doc also had other things that lowered my suspicion. If that’s your only counter example, it’s a weak one.

And besides, just because one or two people who were suspicious of me were village does not negate the point that every wolf at some point tunneled on me like you are.

I’ve been acting erratically because like I said, I trust no one. And I needed to figured stuff out and think before posting.

Except you’re not. You posted to lynch Dina immediately and then rescinded that. Then you were pushing us toward coffee, but when we kept saying that made no sense you jumped onto me.

Again, makes no sense I would be chaos.

Sure it does. You’ve been very clearly driving lynches for villagers the last three lynch votes when prior to that you had a pretty good track record.

That makes sense if you’re chaos because you need to keep the wolf alive long enough for you to win.

No seriously, what have you done for village? Bringing back MSU really didn’t help village at all besides that she can comment. She can’t vote and doesn’t count for chaos’ win contingency. Care to explain why I protected you instead of doc on n2 or are you just going to ignore that?

First, there was a chance she’d come back villager and almost no chance of her coming back wolf. So it was a good move because we could have had another villager at best and be where we were at worst. You said that yourself.

But why are you diverting from yourself? What have you done for village except lynch 3 of us?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

You’re also the only one to not reveal your night result. Sketchy AF.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

How could I be chaos if I literally told you how chaos wins days ago? Makes no sense. I offered that info upfront and posted about it numerous times. It seems pretty clear at this point that the info is correct. We wouldn’t be in the situation we are in currently without that info. If there were 2 wolves, they would’ve won. Chaos obviously has a big possibility of winning right now. By being in the remaining 3.

It makes so much sense why you have protected yourself so much at night. You’re afraid of dying. You have already claimed you made an object to protect yourself at night (and got defensive when people have questioned how it worked). You still haven’t explained why I protected you instead of doc n2. It makes so much sense why you wanted to get on my good side after you found out I was protector. You wanted me to protect you at night. You even tried to do it after I had my abilities taken away, which I pretended to do when you were going to “bring dandy back” and claimed you needed solid protection to do so.

I have protected village numerous times and I have revealed those times. My abilities were removed after I was attacked, and I shared that. You also substantiated it. You gave them back, so thanks for that.

You’re also the only one to not reveal your night result. Sketchy AF.

There is one wolf. They attacked MSU. Seems pretty clear at this point. Why would it be sketch to not reveal if I was attacked? It relates to whether I can protect again tonight as we all know


Except I am not what? I realized last night I was posting out of emotion and reactions and got off. Not sure what is odd about that. I was very confused.

 

[MSUcvmHOPE]

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Just like the little snail you are lol. Get some popcorn

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

And I’m going for m# hard because he’s chaos. At this point I don’t care if coffee or dina are wolves or village. Future problems

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I feel like this would lean more towards Ziggy being chaos than wolf. Also how would you explain her saying she was attacked and then nobody dying that night? Nobody else spoke up that they were attacked.

I was attacked while trying to protect you. The yelp in the description is evidence there also

 

[WildZoo]

I am working on the writeups from yesterday. However, this is mostly for completeness and not because they will be overly helpful for sorting out the current situation. All the tools and info you need to do that are already in the thread, somewhere.

 

[Dinashadow]

I was attacked while trying to protect you. The yelp in the description is evidence there also

I know, I was asking Coffee how she could think you could be a wolf.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

How could I be chaos if I literally told you how chaos wins days ago? Makes no sense. I offered that info upfront and posted about it numerous times. It seems pretty clear at this point that the info is correct. We wouldn’t be in the situation we are in currently without that info. If there were 2 wolves, they would’ve won. Chaos obviously has a big possibility of winning right now. By being in the remaining 3.

I mean we're taking your word for it because it's plausible. That doesn't mean it's been confirmed.

It makes so much sense why you have protected yourself so much at night. You’re afraid of dying. You have already claimed you made an object to protect yourself at night (and got defensive when people have questioned how it worked). You still haven’t explained why I protected you instead of doc n2. It makes so much sense why you wanted to get on my good side after you found out I was protector. You wanted me to protect you at night. You even tried to do it after I had my abilities taken away, which I pretended to do when you were going to “bring dandy back” and claimed you needed solid protection to do so.

I've only used a protection item twice. One I made on N2 when I thought the wolfpack was going to kill me for revealing my role, and then again a few nights later when it came back to me. I guess Dina must be chaos too since she's protected herself on more than one occasion. Are we both chaos?

And btw, I only asked you to protect me once after I found out it was you. And that was so I could bring back MSU. You need to recheck your facts before you start spewing paranoia.

I have protected village numerous times and I have revealed those times. My abilities were removed after I was attacked, and I shared that. You also substantiated it. You gave them back, so thanks for that.

That doesn't disprove you being chaos. If chaos needs there to be 3 people left including her, then it makes complete sense that they would protect some villagers who they think can help keep village alive long enough to get down to the end. This is common sense.

There is one wolf. They attacked MSU. Seems pretty clear at this point. Why would it be sketch to not reveal if I was attacked? It relates to whether I can protect again tonight as we all know

I don't think you're the wolf. You were with me all night. It's sketch that you're not giving us your night result when the rest of us have posted them. You were all about use giving information out, but when asked for yours you got all cagey and weird. Very sketchy.

Except I am not what? I realized last night I was posting out of emotion and reactions and got off. Not sure what is odd about that. I was very confused.

Except you're not thinking things through before acting. You're swinging wildly from theory to theory.

I can't tell if you're village and just being completely paranoid and irrational or if you're chaos trying to confuse everyone into lynching a villager so you can win. I'm leaning toward the latter hard given your complete shift in behavior over the last 24 hours or so.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I know, I was asking Coffee how she could think you could be a wolf.

One thing zig said is true: we need to get chaos. If you're a wolf or coffee is a wolf, I don't really care right now. We need to figure out who chaos is. It's either you or zig. Zig is acting insane right now, which is leading me to believe that she's chaos. But I can't rule you out and explain her behavior as simply being a product of being a noob villager at the end who doesn't know what to do.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

@CoffeeQuestionMark
You're either a converted wolf or village. You can't be chaos, and therefore you and I really need to work together to figure out whether it's dina or zig. I know you had zig pegged as village most of the game, but try to forget that and analyze her behavior as if you hadn't played this game and were trying to figure it out after the fact. I'm going to do the same, because I anchored on her being village, and I think it may be clouding my judgment.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

What do you think? I brought you back to help us find chaos and the wolf. Just because your vote won't count doesn't mean you can't give your opinion. You're the least biased out of all of us since you literally can't win or lose, and we know you're just an NPC.

 

[Dinashadow]

I also was wondering if MSU had any thoughts she wanted to share.

 

[Dinashadow]

Besides that we all suck and never should have lynched her

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

@Dinashadow you haven’t shared much either. I want to know your thoughts. I have layed out why I suspect m#. I don’t rule you out as chaos either

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

@Dinashadow you haven’t shared much either. I want to know your thoughts. I have layed out why I suspect m#. I don’t rule you out as chaos either

Conveniently now you don't rule her out despite posting two really long posts why I MUST be chaos, then voting to lynch me.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Conveniently now you don't rule her out despite posting two really long posts why I MUST be chaos, then voting to lynch me.

Good point. I’m headed home and will analyze some of your comments when there. At least I have gotten something out of you. Since Dina is not posting basically anything but fluff, per usual,
#####Unlynch m#
Lynch Dina #####

 

[Dinashadow]

@Dinashadow you haven’t shared much either. I want to know your thoughts. I have layed out why I suspect m#. I don’t rule you out as chaos either

Here's where I am at right now

I'm leaning towards ziggy but part of that is probably bias because literally every person who wanted to lynch matt has been a wolf. Chaos needs to live tonight and now you want to vote Matt makes my radar go off, but I don't know how much evidence supports that. But then again why would wolves want to kill him? Possibly because he's chaos? Also why did wolves never try to kill him? Did he protect himself more often than he is saying

Why I am leaning ziggy is because she was very village at the beginning of the game and the past few night I feel like you've had a big hand in lynching many villagers, and Matt made a good point about needing to keep wolves alive as chaos. Em was even sus of zig last night and tried to lynch her.

Coffee could be either, but I am sure she is not just village for reasons I was mentioning this morning.

I wish I had more information from my night actions to share. My last attempt to look into someone I went for Killer, but it was the night she was killed by wolves so a whole lot of good that did.

 

[Dinashadow]

Good point. I’m headed home and will analyze some of your comments when there. At least I have gotten something out of you. Since Dina is not posting basically anything but fluff, per usual,
#####Unlynch m#
Lynch Dina #####

why?

 

[Dinashadow]

Ziggy you've literally been flip flopping back and forth the last few nights for little reason. Before you decide to choose me to lynch at least post your reasoning first. As soon as M## puts the heat on it's easy to just jump to someone else?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Ziggy you've literally been flip flopping back and forth the last few nights for little reason. Before you decide to choose me to lynch at least post your reasoning first. As soon as M## puts the heat on it's easy to just jump to someone else?

Yeah her behavior is super weird. To be honest I think the wolves have been going after me as a lynch because there has been a coincidental string of protections on me. On N2, zig protected me. On N3 I protected myself and zig was also there. A couple nights later, I had the protection device again (which had been used by someone else).

I don’t know if they either cannot kill me or if they just didn’t see me as a threat or perhaps thought they really thought I was chaos and want to get me lynched so they can keep NKing villagers.

 

[Dinashadow]

@CoffeeQuestionMark
You're either a converted wolf or village. You can't be chaos, and therefore you and I really need to work together to figure out whether it's dina or zig. I know you had zig pegged as village most of the game, but try to forget that and analyze her behavior as if you hadn't played this game and were trying to figure it out after the fact. I'm going to do the same, because I anchored on her being village, and I think it may be clouding my judgment.

She's going to tell you to lynch me as she stated earlier today because of my night ability and because I protect myself? Even though you have done the same thing. Plus I have been pushing her possibly being a wolf and I'm sure she's not fond of that.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

She's going to tell you to lynch me as she stated earlier today because of my night ability and because I protect myself? Even though you have done the same thing. Plus I have been pushing her possibly being a wolf and I'm sure she's not fond of that.

I don’t get why protecting yourself = chaos/wolf. MSU could get away from attacks and she was village. If you have an ability to protect yourself once in a while, of course you will do it if you’re a villager. In fact, it makes no sense for a wolf to use that ability at night since a wolf isn’t going to get NKed.

 

[Dinashadow]

I don’t get why protecting yourself = chaos/wolf. MSU could get away from attacks and she was village. If you have an ability to protect yourself once in a while, of course you will do it if you’re a villager. In fact, it makes no sense for a wolf to use that ability at night since a wolf isn’t going to get NKed.

I have been voting wolves since the beginning. I'm not sure how it would make sense for chaos to do that. I'm not sure why chaos would've outed mutts as a wolf and admit they had the ability to do so.

There is no way Ziggy is lying about the chaos requirement right? I'm sus of anything now that I'm leaning towards coffee being a wolf.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Could there be the possibility that zig can send a clone or something as an ability? Something small and furry stood by me all night. That was zig. But is it possible she sent something to stand by me while she attacked MSU to throw us off?

Her behavior in tunneling on me seemed very wolfy.

 

[Dinashadow]

Could there be the possibility that zig can send a clone or something as an ability? Something small and furry stood by me all night. That was zig. But is it possible she sent something to stand by me while she attacked MSU to throw us off?

Her behavior in tunneling on me seemed very wolfy.

Somebody said quite a few days ago that this is WZ's game and anything is possible

Her being a wolf though - it still wouldn't explain the attack. Hence why I would lean her to be chaos over being a wolf

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I have been voting wolves since the beginning. I'm not sure how it would make sense for chaos to do that. I'm not sure why chaos would've outed mutts as a wolf and admit they had the ability to do so.

There is no way Ziggy is lying about the chaos requirement right? I'm sus of anything now that I'm leaning towards coffee being a wolf.

I mean we don’t know for sure that she’s telling the truth, and if we are suspicious of her now there’s no reason to take what she says as truth.

The mods said we have like a 1% chance of winning. Having to lynch chaos, survive the night, then lynch the wolf seems pretty unlikely so her win condition for chaos is plausible.

 

[Dinashadow]

She tunneled you and then backed off and picked me without any thought. Chaos doesn't need to kill a certain person they just need somebody to die instead of them.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Somebody said quite a few days ago that this is WZ's game and anything is possible

Her being a wolf though - it still wouldn't explain the attack. Hence why I would lean her to be chaos over being a wolf

Do they have to attack someone at night? If so it makes perfect sense. She wouldn’t want to kill a villager and lose the game, and since MSU is npc, it’s like throwing the game to win the match.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

She tunneled you and then backed off and picked me without any thought. Chaos doesn't need to kill a certain person they just need somebody to die instead of them.

Yeah. That is true. But then either you or coffee is the wolf, and coffee still seems most likely village to me.

 

[Dinashadow]

Do they have to attack someone at night? If so it makes perfect sense. She wouldn’t want to kill a villager and lose the game, and since MSU is npc, it’s like throwing the game to win the match.

I wondered the same thing. If wolves have to attack someone, unless the wolf was unsure is MSU was telling the truth about being an NPC. They could test that theory while also keeping the game alive to lynch chaos.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I wondered the same thing. If wolves have to attack someone, unless the wolf was unsure is MSU was telling the truth about being an NPC. They could test that theory while also keeping the game alive to lynch chaos.

Yeah. That’s what I was thinking too.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It also makes the win condition zig put forth as being most likely.

 

[Dinashadow]

Yeah. That is true. But then either you or coffee is the wolf, and coffee still seems most likely village to me.

why? No offense but you have a track record of accidentally trusting wolves and gifting them items. (I mean that in the best humor possible)

I don't know how she would've done it but she's the only one who lost the ability to vote and thus could have been converted correct? She isn't a noob so she knows this game a lot better than us. Besides think of how her behavior changed. The last few nights she's been happily lynching what turned out to be villagers and quietly might I add. I could see her bussing stagg or maybe she was somehow converted after he was lynched?

If it were an obvious choice we wouldn't be down to 4 people and so unsure of who the wolf is if it were that easy. This is why I compared this game to the book And Then There Were None

 

[Dinashadow]

Oh I forgot one. Why would she scan me last night with her item? She suspects I am chaos and was trying to see if she could find out last night before the lynch today.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

why? No offense but you have a track record of accidentally trusting wolves and gifting them items. (I mean that in the best humor possible)

Not exactly true. With pickles I didn’t know whether she was wolf or village. I gave her the wolf identifier because I knew she’d pick a wolf if she was village and pick village or third party if she was wolf. Which is exactly what happened. I said that multiple times before it even happened.

With stagg, I was the first person to call him out as a converted wolf. I unlynched him because his reason COULD have been legit. So I gave him an item that would have helped us if he were village and not hurt us if he was wolf. But he died before he could use it.

Edit: to clarify, I mean that it could have been a legit misunderstanding since I didn’t quite understand how my role worked and so seemed a little contradictory.

I don't know how she would've done it but she's the only one who lost the ability to vote and thus could have been converted correct? She isn't a noob so she knows this game a lot better than us. Besides think of how her behavior changed. The last few nights she's been happily lynching what turned out to be villagers and quietly might I add. I could see her bussing stagg or maybe she was somehow converted after he was lynched?

If it were an obvious choice we wouldn't be down to 4 people and so unsure of who the wolf is if it were that easy. This is why I compared this game to the book And Then There Were None

Yeah I get it. It’s definitely not obvious. I just don’t really suspect coffee because of the timing. We were told by a mod that she was village after she was silenced for a day cycle, then came out guns blazing after stagg. She also laid out all the info of what happened. Why would the mods list her as village if she was being converted?

 

[MSUcvmHOPE]

Besides that we all suck and never should have lynched her

Hey I didn't give you much reason not to for the first half of the game. I was on most players sus list since day one. Luckily I got better. Lol
I'll try my best. Out to eat right now. I'll analyze and try to provide input before Lynch time.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Oh I forgot one. Why would she scan me last night with her item? She suspects I am chaos and was trying to see if she could find out last night before the lynch today.

I mean I scanned zig after she led the shelter lynch. I think that’s a wolf or village thing to do. We need to lynch chaos just as much as the wolf needs us to.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

why?

Because I wanted to get you talking. You're just sitting back and watching it all unfold, like you usually do

@CoffeeQuestionMark can you explain your not voting theory? Do you now think not voting and the gravitational pull are unassociated with one another?

 

[Dinashadow]

Not exactly true. With pickles I didn’t know whether she was wolf or village. I gave her the wolf identifier because I knew she’d pick a wolf if she was village and pick village or third party if she was wolf. Which is exactly what happened. I said that multiple times before it even happened.

With stagg, I was the first person to call him out as a converted wolf. I unlynched him because his reason COULD have been legit. So I gave him an item that would have helped us if he were village and not hurt us if he was wolf. But he died before he could use it.

Edit: to clarify, I mean that it could have been a legit misunderstanding since I didn’t quite understand how my role worked and so seemed a little contradictory.



Yeah I get it. It’s definitely not obvious. I just don’t really suspect coffee because of the timing. We were told by a mod that she was village after she was silenced for a day cycle, then came out guns blazing after stagg. She also laid out all the info of what happened. Why would the mods list her as village if she was being converted?

Did a mod tell us or was it a transmission somehow? Why would the mods just randomly post that info?

I mean I scanned zig after she led the shelter lynch. I think that’s a wolf or village thing to do. We need to lynch chaos just as much as the wolf needs us to.

Yeah but nobody would've known that the wolf wasn't going to kill anyone last night except the wolf.

 

[Dinashadow]

Because I wanted to get you talking. You're just sitting back and watching it all unfold, like you usually do

@CoffeeQuestionMark can you explain your not voting theory? Do you now think not voting and the gravitational pull are unassociated with one another?

Fair enough. I was on my phone earlier but now I am on my computer and will be here the rest of the night.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Did a mod tell us or was it a transmission somehow? Why would the mods just randomly post that info?

Mod told us. It “was revealed” to us. Coffee said it was part of the terms of her ability.

Yeah but nobody would've known that the wolf wasn't going to kill anyone last night except the wolf.

Yeah but we were all hoping our protections would work. I mean she could be a wolf. I’m not super concerned about that. If we survive the night I’ll worry about whether she’s a wolf. I’m trying to find chaos right now.