Nor'east Ski WWeekend (Basics) - Game Thread

[PippyPony]

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Ok, because this is supposed to be a basics game with overall mechanics laid out, here's how I will be handling no votes or No Lynch votes:

• Players will not be mod-penalized at any time for withholding a vote or failing to place a vote
• A vote of No Lynch (<-- submitted with this format or ##No Lynch##) will be treated as equivalent to a regular vote for a person. This means:
  • A 4-way No Lynch will adhere to stated tie rules
  • A No Lynch vote can be changed in the regular manner by submitting Unlynch No Lynch ; Lynch {Person}, as any other normal vote may be changed.

Think about who your mod is here, folks. If someone wants to fly too close to the sun and try to flip a vote on y'all at the last second, then that is on them to succeed or fail, and it's on the rest of you for allowing it to happen 😉

These rules will be updated in the intro post.
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[Crayola227]

Cray was trying so hard last night to get reads. I think she was deciding who to kill based on who people thought were sketchy

If I were a wolf trying to pick a NK for lylo, I would have kept Skim with her good record of reading me to point to, but even if I were NOT going to

try this on for size

it's not hard for a wolf to look right now and see who's under suspicion and cleared!!!!! and why doesn't matter!!!!

informed minority doesn't need to get that detailed about it, believe me

as a clueless subbed in villager, still trying to decide WHY ARE YOU ZIGGY CLEARED the question is pertinent

basically, your theory that wolfy me would have needed that info to make my NK choice is so bogus

in WW anything is possible, however that doesn't mean that some things are just much much more likely than others

that was a village move last night - does that mean I'm not a wolf? No, but it was a village move and your theory that was needed for wolf play just doesn't make sense. It could be a village move I pulled to look village as a wolf. That's different.

The fact you're trying to pass it off as a wolf move though, that's interesting

 

[Crayola227]

Wait maybe I should no lynch, then I have one more chance to die

IIRC the last time you became this obsessed about whining for death, you were a wolf

either that, or I thought it was wolfy af and you weren't a wolf but it still registers as a wolfy thing for you, lol

it would be nice if I could accurately remember past games

basically, knock it off if you're village, it's one of those things that can screw up lylo

crap, wait, now I remember, you did this sort of thing during a game and it made me wolf read you and we lost, maybe not directly because I wolf read you, but it didn't help

stop being funny/apathetic and fight for village damn it!!

 

[Crayola227]

Who is on your village list?

I know I'm being sketchy rn but turning on me would not be good. I wanted you to get a vote in at a minimum so you won't be making the tie if there is one

yeah why are you being so sketchy rn, and why don't you seem to care?

and why is this sketchy?

 

[WildZoo]

~*~*~*~*~
Ok, because this is supposed to be a basics game with overall mechanics laid out, here's how I will be handling no votes or No Lynch votes:

• Players will not be mod-penalized at any time for withholding a vote or failing to place a vote
• A vote of No Lynch (<-- submitted with this format or ##No Lynch##) will be treated as equivalent to a regular vote for a person. This means:
  • A 4-way No Lynch will adhere to stated tie rules
  • A No Lynch vote can be changed in the regular manner by submitting Unlynch No Lynch ; Lynch {Person}, as any other normal vote may be changed.

Think about who your mod is here, folks. If someone wants to fly too close to the sun and try to flip a vote on y'all at the last second, then that is on them to succeed or fail, and it's on the rest of you for allowing it to happen 😉

These rules will be updated in the intro post.
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I'm confused about the tie part. Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand correctly. Us all voting for no lynch would be treated as a tie?

 

[PippyPony]

I'm confused about the tie part. Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand correctly. Us all voting for no lynch would be treated as a tie?

A 4-way tie, yes. You are all actively voting for the same "person".

 

[WildZoo]

IIRC the last time you became this obsessed about whining for death, you were a wolf

either that, or I thought it was wolfy af and you weren't a wolf but it still registers as a wolfy thing for you, lol

it would be nice if I could accurately remember past games

basically, knock it off if you're village, it's one of those things that can screw up lylo

crap, wait, now I remember, you did this sort of thing during a game and it made me wolf read you and we lost, maybe not directly because I wolf read you, but it didn't help

stop being funny/apathetic and fight for village damn it!!

I'm not being funny, I really do think village is better off without me at LyLo so if a no lynch means there's a chance I'll be killed at night then I think that might be a better chance for a win. Also then there's a 33% chance of lynching correctly instead of a 25% chance.

 

[Crayola227]

And cray breaking the tie last night and "pretending" she didn't know what was going on was so suspect

OK, it seems like you've never played with me, or maybe YOUR memory isn't that good

I NEVER understand lylo breakdowns unless they're formatted the way they were when I said I understood. I even quoted the posts I found confusing from SOV.

If you really feel like reading back stuff to understand what Cray did, try reading any one of a number of games I've ever played.

 

[WildZoo]

A 4-way tie, yes. You are all actively voting for the same "person".

Ok. That doesn't make sense to me but ok...

 

[WildZoo]

I don't know if we can safely no lynch guys. With the rules as stated. It seems like it would just put is in a situation where the wolf could determine the outcome.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm not being funny, I really do think village is better off without me at LyLo so if a no lynch means there's a chance I'll be killed at night then I think that might be a better chance for a win. Also then there's a 33% chance of lynching correctly instead of a 25% chance.

You are better than you think! With that attitude, how can you work with me turn it around, and create the first historic occasion where you and I both live to lylo as villagers and win?? It could happen, if it ever does it'll be the first time in years

 

[PippyPony]

Ok. That doesn't make sense to me but ok...

Well, we know I think about WW in weird ways, so free shrugs 😉

 

[WildZoo]

You are better than you think! With that attitude, how can you work with me turn it around, and create the first historic occasion where you and I both live to lylo as villagers and win?? It could happen, if it ever does it'll be the first time in years

I want to but I don't know what to do with you and zig both asking me to work with you and then voting for each other

 

[Crayola227]

I'm going to have to go back and look at when DocE said not to lynch cray and then when he said yes you can lynch Cray. Will do that when out of bed

yes please do look, because you'll see exactly why I turned on him

I cannot fathom how that day went down and it was w/w with me and him

this is a tin foil or just a really sad wolfy life raft grab at the sketch that is Cray in an attempt for an "easy" mislynch

I used to be an easy mislynch, I think AM pointed out that things have changed, but my general sketch factor never will, and so I will always be a shiny thing for wolves, when will they ever learn

 

[Crayola227]

I will have to think on it also

But I assume it would've killed two villagers, she would've had to kill someone overnight and it would've been super suspect if cray was still alive

Like I said yesterday, I have no idea why they decided sport instead of her. But it could be she's been the wolf the whole time

But not ruling Dina out either

WHY are you hung up on the fact that SP was NK'd and not me? Seriously? Explain that thought process to me. Because I've already outlayed there are like 100 factors that a villager would never be privy to outside pack chat on why wolves kill one person and not another.

Interactive Tells - MafiaWiki
NKA's just as vital as lynch analysis.
Yes, tread carefully; nightkill analysis is a wifom minefield. It's easy to get lost, since usually, there's no single reason a player dies; generally, it's multiple factors combined. So it's impossible to be certain.

...But it's not something to be flat-out ignored. If you can figure out the reasons why that player died (common ones being: obvtown, reads dangerously close, is charismatic, avoiding the dangerous roles, is a rational player capable of changing their reads, and might be a PR), then you can better figure out who killed them. Who had the most to gain from their death, and why? Who is more likely to kill them? What does the kill accomplish? Was it random or planned? Things like that.

Again,

Don't put too much stock in it.
You don't want to ignore NKA, but you don't want to put much faith in it. Let it contribute to a read, not be the entire basis of a read.

 

[Crayola227]

also

Balancing Possibilities Versus Probabilities - MafiaWiki
The job of a town player isn't to see every possibility--the job of a town player is to figure out which possibility is the most probable.

Resolving Simple vs Human - MafiaWiki

 

[Crayola227]

I will have to think on it also

But I assume it would've killed two villagers, she would've had to kill someone overnight and it would've been super suspect if cray was still alive

Like I said yesterday, I have no idea why they decided sport instead of her. But it could be she's been the wolf the whole time

But not ruling Dina out either

kay, like I've said over and over, explain why Dina

in fact, if it were possible, I would vote for:

no lynch
lynch ziggy
lynch WildZoo
lynch anyone who expresses interest in lynching Dina but makes minimal effort to support why when asked multiple times

 

[Crayola227]

this goes to something in the articles I just posted about wolf MOs

about how they create a narrative based on total BS, discount what doesn't fit in their theory, exaggerate others,

also, this is a real tested psychological phenomena, that the more someone's name appears with the word "wolf" slung alongside it, the more likely they are to be lynched

I've used it as scum, and I've DEFINITELY seen it used over and over and over by wolves

it's basically to a point now that if someone's name is repeated or voted enough times as being sketch, BUT NO ONE ARTICULATES WHY then on principle I do not vote them, and I start to look at the people pushing it. A villager will at least try to be clear and direct in answering, even if to say "that one thing they said 5 days ago I'd have to look."

Irony of irony WZ and I lost the game at lylo to Mel and AM, and the set up of SP in this exact manner was a part of that loss

Ziggy, every single thing you are doing at this point fits into every wolf mould there is

 

[Crayola227]

Is a 2:1 LyLo better than a 3:1 LyLo? Objectively? Do we have evidence for this somewhere? I need statistics.

See that would be great for me though...and you really don't want me making any decisions at LyLo. It's bad for the village

I wonder, because I remember that one game with PBC, but granted it had more than one wolf at the end (I think) which is that the closer you get to parity, the stronger the wolf voice and agenda becomes, and the more dangerous it is that they will lead the town, if that is how they are playing

I would think with 3 villagers villaging appropriately and working together, we stand a better chance against 1 wolf when it's only 3 at lylo

3 at lylo is some kind of Mexican stand off **** that really sucks, I will admit the days in circles (remember that one with AM where you mislynched me? lol) just like that are rough as hell

what was the one where it was you, me, LIS, and I had to vote Britzen? It's easier when you're being called on as a villager to trust a pair of people or at least one you trust and they both confer, not just out on your own picking one person to trust over the other

 

[Crayola227]

And DocE pushed Dina

when?

 

[WildZoo]

There is a way that coffee's fake seer claim of zig works out if she is a wolf, I don't have time to fully articular it right now but it could be a thing.

What concerns me more is the tone of her interactions with cheez, they just don't feel w/w to me. I think I'm usually pretty good at figuring out those interactions but idk.

 

[WildZoo]

I wonder, because I remember that one game with PBC, but granted it had more than one wolf at the end (I think) which is that the closer you get to parity, the stronger the wolf voice and agenda becomes, and the more dangerous it is that they will lead the town, if that is how they are playing

I would think with 3 villagers villaging appropriately and working together, we stand a better chance against 1 wolf when it's only 3 at lylo

3 at lylo is some kind of Mexican stand off **** that really sucks, I will admit the days in circles (remember that one with AM where you mislynched me? lol) just like that are rough as hell

what was the one where it was you, me, LIS, and I had to vote Britzen? It's easier when you're being called on as a villager to trust a pair of people or at least one you trust and they both confer, not just out on your own picking one person to trust over the other

I think there were actually 5 of us, it was 4:1 and BBC just dropped a vote early and checked out? Something like that.

This does make sense though.

 

[Crayola227]

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Ok, because this is supposed to be a basics game with overall mechanics laid out, here's how I will be handling no votes or No Lynch votes:

• Players will not be mod-penalized at any time for withholding a vote or failing to place a vote
• A vote of No Lynch (<-- submitted with this format or ##No Lynch##) will be treated as equivalent to a regular vote for a person. This means:
  • A 4-way No Lynch will adhere to stated tie rules
  • A No Lynch vote can be changed in the regular manner by submitting Unlynch No Lynch ; Lynch {Person}, as any other normal vote may be changed.

Think about who your mod is here, folks. If someone wants to fly too close to the sun and try to flip a vote on y'all at the last second, then that is on them to succeed or fail, and it's on the rest of you for allowing it to happen 😉

These rules will be updated in the intro post.
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I don't mean for Pip to reply to this. Just processing.

So if we all vote for no lynch, that's treated as a tie, so there will be RNG to kill 2 of 4 ppl? This doesn't seem good.

It seems like what, it only works if only 3 people vote it, leaving it to be flipped to 4 last min by a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't mean for Pip to reply to this. Just processing.

So if we all vote for no lynch, that's treated as a tie, so there will be RNG to kill 2 of 4 ppl? This doesn't seem good.

It seems like what, it only works if only 3 people vote it, leaving it to be flipped to 4 last min by a wolf.

Yeah. I would think the wolf wouldn't flip for it because it would out them and risk them dying. But I don't know how a no Lynch with 3 votes would be treated. Like, it's still the majority, so would it still be treated as a tie? I dunno I'm just confused by the whole thing so back to thinking we should figure it out today. The rules are different from how no lynch is treated in games where it is actually a good strategy.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't know if we can safely no lynch guys. With the rules as stated. It seems like it would just put is in a situation where the wolf could determine the outcome.

well, no lynch works if 2 villagers vote no lynch, and one villager ABSTAINs

then the wolf can't pull BS

for all that goes, it means 2 people could abstain, if the wolf was trying to blend in and look villagey

 

[Dinashadow]

well, no lynch works if 2 villagers vote no lynch, and one villager ABSTAINs

then the wolf can't pull BS

for all that goes, it means 2 people could abstain, if the wolf was trying to blend in and look villagey

What if the wolf ends up abstaining? I'm just waking up and trying to wrap my head around these tie rules

 

[WildZoo]

This is making my brain hurt even more than lylo always makes my brain hurt

 

[PippyPony]

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Some roundabout answers to follow up questions:

1. This isn't MU
2. I've never encountered this on this site in >2 years of playing, so I'm sorry to anyone who is familiar with this, but am making an executive decision to basically not accept the mechanic because it is too time consuming for me to research it today

Final ruling: I'd prefer people not rely on a new mechanic that was not built into the game at the start, so I guess the above was a convoluted way of saying that I'm not really accepting active No Lynch votes as counting as real votes, unless everyone does it, in which case I'm just making an executive decision to treat it like you're all voting for everyone else. If you want to just withhold a vote by not voting for anyone/anything like normal, that's fine and won't be treated like a tie.

If the No Lynch votes are not unanimous, the vote(s) for an actual player will take precedence.

Sorry if this is a big issue for anyone, I'm happy to take feedback after the game, but not between now and 10am tomorrow morning.

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[WildZoo]

~*~*~*~*~
Some roundabout answers to follow up questions:

1. This isn't MU
2. I've never encountered this on this site in >2 years of playing, so I'm sorry to anyone who is familiar with this, but am making an executive decision to basically not accept the mechanic because it is too time consuming for me to research it today

Final ruling: I'd prefer people not rely on a new mechanic that was not built into the game at the start, so I guess the above was a convoluted way of saying that I'm not really accepting active No Lynch votes as counting as real votes, unless everyone does it, in which case I'm just making an executive decision to treat it like you're all voting for everyone else. If you want to just withhold a vote by not voting for anyone/anything like normal, that's fine and won't be treated like a tie.

If the No Lynch votes are not unanimous, the vote(s) for an actual player will take precedence.

Sorry if this is a big issue for anyone, I'm happy to take feedback after the game, but not between now and 10am tomorrow morning.

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That's fine and would be my ruling because I generally find no lynch to be boring, no need to be roundabout about it, it's why I asked before doing it

 

[Karabiner13]

D10 No time for Colors or Gifs Lynch Tally

cray (1) - zigzag
dina (1) - dubz
zigzag (1) - cray

Tie!

3/4

Deadline 10pm est (~9 hours)

 

[WildZoo]

We're doing so well here guys

 

[DocEspana]

A 4-way tie, yes. You are all actively voting for the same "person".

******
I need to point out that this is completely absurd, unprecedented, and generally bullsh*t. I don't appreciate this just as a mechanic. But I also love a rogue mod breaking established rules

Sincerely,
A frequent mod
*******

 

[DocEspana]

*******
I need to point out that this is completely absurd, unprecedented, and generally bullsh*t. I don't appreciate this just as a mechanic. But I also love a rogue mod breaking established rules

Sincerely,
A frequent mod
*******

*******
In other news, I'm loving the insanity everyone is having.
*******

 

[WildZoo]

Are there any dead villagers whose posts I need to read? Or can I safely put them all on ignore for my reread? Should I bother with my reread?

It'll probably just confuse me. Again.

 

[Crayola227]

******
I need to point out that this is completely absurd, unprecedented, and generally bullsh*t. I don't appreciate this just as a mechanic. But I also love a rogue mod breaking established rules

Sincerely,
A frequent mod
*******

frequent mod? I wish but you been on some kind of hiatus son. Bring it.

 

[Crayola227]

like, I don't know, it doesn't seem like no lynch is rocket science or it has to be treated as a tie

mods do what they want, but I don't think the no lynch concept is complicated or really outside any conceptual norm of WW, granted it's something that doesn't exist in all games, but neither does a seer in all of them

 

[Crayola227]

@Dinashadow

you need to come discuss how you feel about other players

 

[WildZoo]

like, I don't know, it doesn't seem like no lynch is rocket science or it has to be treated as a tie

mods do what they want, but I don't think the no lynch concept is complicated or really outside any conceptual norm of WW, granted it's something that doesn't exist in all games, but neither does a seer in all of them

It's probably because Lawper hates it 😉

Anyway doesn't matter now, we can't do it so might as well move on.

Can I just stay on Dina? My soul has issues with lynching you or zig.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

lynch ziggy

I've had bad feelz on you all game, and I haven't got a good answer why you're cleared

also, and it is major WIFOM, but wolf me would NEVER NK Skim when she's reading me village

to be fair, she's the only player with a 100% correct read record on me, so it's never happened that I was wolf and she was misreading me in my favour, but since she's got a good record if it ever happened while I was wolfing that she misread me, I might be really inclined to leave her at lylo

I did bring up that Skim was also being read as village, and frankly, even with what I did with voting Mel x 2 (so I was early pushing him), and then DocE, it's clear with how much my name has come up recently that in all reality I was the easier mislynch today

plus, Ziggy, and this is getting REALLY annoying of you, is how you are applying NKA

I already poked holes in your analysis, no offense, it wasn't good (why SP died not me), and you still don't seem to get that wolves don't just go for people in the solid village lean pile (and as I said, Skim may well be more strongly in that pile in and of itself) but also people who they think might be PRs. No offense to Skim, in general she is less sketch anxiety-inducing than me, and certainly from the point I started playing this game. She's a good NK choice for them as far as wanting to kill solid village leans, my mere existence induces more paranoia at lylo, and if they suspected her of a PR.

unless of course you're missing this already pointed out to you solid point of logic on purpose

I don't know why you're hung up on the idea it should be me. But yes, wolves do like to leave me to lylo just for the sort of BS you're currently pulling on me.

Also, Skim has been really active and there was every reason to think she would be today, and EVERY reason to think I would be out of commission today. The planned surgery is not a WW fake out, there's a trail MONTHS long in another forum about it. Myself and the wolves could not have forseen it falling through.

The best wolf strategy would have been to kill Skim and leave me, all the way around.

When someone seems too thick for words, I tend to find there's a reason they're not "getting" it and making bad choices. It's on purpose.

Skim wasn't reading you as village. She tried to Lynch you a few days ago but decided she would give you more time (not sure if DocE influenced this or not.

My NKA is not really annoying. It makes sense to me, even if you can't get it. The wolves aren't trying to kill PRs because there are no more PRs. I feel like that's pretty straight forward. I think everyone left is vanilla rn.

I'm not hung up on it being you. But it's either you or Dina.

looking at the timing of your vote, it really looks more like you killed Skim knowing she would play today, thinking I would be out of commission, and a great lylo mislynch for you to push

you've been subtly trying to push me for a while

just smacks of the exact opportunism I usually catch wolves over

If I were a wolf, I would not have killed Skim last night, I would've killed WZ. She is 100% clear to me. I didn't mention this last night because I didn't want her to get Nkd.

I didn't vote for you hoping you would be out of commission. I did so thinking either you or Dina is the wolf.

 

[Crayola227]

WZ - it's been pointed out her behaviour with DocE and the tie
point against, is I wish that I understood why SOV was set on lynching her in addition to Dinah, guess I'll need to iso - oh wait, I'm too exhausted. I was up all night partly because I was anxious about my procedure that never happened, and I don't feel better for it. And I'm not a characteristically anxious person but whatevs.

I would like to hear from Ziggy and Dinah why they are not voting for WZ.

Dinah - seriously, no read except SOV suspected her. Don't like how people have slung her name around.

Dinah, the way you are holding your vote right now is a problem. Please discuss your suspects. Please put forth why you think people have been so set on your death.

Here's the thing. You should be able to summarize why other people suspect you, when you don't have strong feelings of your own to express, there's really no reason why when others are on your case that you can't summarize that and inform your fellow players.

Dubz, why are you voting Dinah?

Ziggy and Dubz, why are you not voting one another?

So help me God, whichever of you does a piss poor job or does not even bother to answer by within a couple of hours of deadline, I will vote for you.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

when?

I quoted it a bunch. You can go back and look. He went for me and Dina for basically the whole time he played.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

We're doing so well here guys

I think it will be ok if Dina and cray are tied and we aren't the tie makers

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Dubs was so valiantly heroically villager last night. No way she is a wolf. She deserved the NK lol.

 

[WildZoo]

. I didn't mention this last night because I didn't want her to get Nkd.

Why do you hate me 😢

 

[WildZoo]

I miss LIS. We had a pact. If he were a wolf he would kill me before LyLo. I would have done the same for him. If we both made it we could trust each other. It was perfect.

Note that this pact occured after that one time

 

[WildZoo]

Dubz, why are you voting Dinah?

Ziggy and Dubz, why are you not voting one another?

Because I'm following my gut and my gut says you and zig are safe

I have problems when I flip my reads at LyLo. This time I'm sticking with it. Maybe I'm wrong but being wrong for days feels better than letting the paranoia win and being wrong. I'm unlikely to move unless dina's defense is immaculate.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Why do you hate me 😢

I don't hate you, I just want to win

 

[Crayola227]

Skim wasn't reading you as village. She tried to Lynch you a few days ago but decided she would give you more time (not sure if DocE influenced this or not.

My NKA is not really annoying. It makes sense to me, even if you can't get it. The wolves aren't trying to kill PRs because there are no more PRs. I feel like that's pretty straight forward. I think everyone left is vanilla rn.

I'm not hung up on it being you. But it's either you or Dina.


If I were a wolf, I would not have killed Skim last night, I would've killed WZ. She is 100% clear to me. I didn't mention this last night because I didn't want her to get Nkd.

I didn't vote for you hoping you would be out of commission. I did so thinking either you or Dina is the wolf.

Skim was reading me as village, I believe she said as much after I did come back and did that with DocE. This is where you are pulling more wolfy BS. She said she was going to vote purely based on activity yet would wait and give me a chance to come back and play, presumably because she has some confidence in reading me. She effectively cleared me when I did. So nice try on that one.

Well, SOV is a great player and he was convinced that there were PRs left, and IIRC he thought Skim might have been one and even said so on thread. But what do he or I know in thinking that could be true? So there's no way that the wolves might think this. The point isn't that he or I are correct.

It has NOTHING to do with what you think the wolves are thinking. There is only one way you could know.

Your NKA is annoying not because it doesn't make some sense. But NKA is WIFOM territory which means that in 90% of instances there are numerous reasonable explanations for any given kill choice. You should be able to recognize that.

Please, explain to me why I was so much the obvious choice for NK over SP or Skim. Please explain to me how I am coming off so much more village than them right now, and that's why I was a better choice than them.

Your theory falls apart, because if you are in fact village, you are, with this little theory of yours, proving *exactly* why they would leave me. Also, if you're not village, and a wolf, then what you are doing right now is why I was left alive.

Also, why are you not accounting for the idea that the wolves killed Skim since she was cleared, trusted, and active, and I was expected to be unconscious?

It's not that your theory doesn't intrinsically make sense. Most wolf arguments (if that is what this is) do. The issue with wolves pushing a BS theory, is that they are oddly blind to possibilities not in line with their argument and their true agenda. Villagers will always entertain an alternate theory, period. The issue is that your theory just isn't that great and I can't figure out why you're so married to it.

 

[Dinashadow]

WZ - it's been pointed out her behaviour with DocE and the tie
point against, is I wish that I understood why SOV was set on lynching her in addition to Dinah, guess I'll need to iso - oh wait, I'm too exhausted. I was up all night partly because I was anxious about my procedure that never happened, and I don't feel better for it. And I'm not a characteristically anxious person but whatevs.

I would like to hear from Ziggy and Dinah why they are not voting for WZ.

Dinah - seriously, no read except SOV suspected her. Don't like how people have slung her name around.

Dinah, the way you are holding your vote right now is a problem. Please discuss your suspects. Please put forth why you think people have been so set on your death.

Here's the thing. You should be able to summarize why other people suspect you, when you don't have strong feelings of your own to express, there's really no reason why when others are on your case that you can't summarize that and inform your fellow players.

Dubz, why are you voting Dinah?

Ziggy and Dubz, why are you not voting one another?

So help me God, whichever of you does a piss poor job or does not even bother to answer by within a couple of hours of deadline, I will vote for you.

I'm doing some re-reading right now. I know it looks bad I haven't put my vote in but I really did sleep in today (until 11-12) and when I woke up everyone had already voted. Right now I'm between Zigs and Dubz. Zigs comment earlier about the tie put me on edge. I don't like Dubz comments about wishing she would be NK'd every night but she's done that as village before. I'm also trying to figure out why Zigs has cleared her village suddenly after tunneling her the past few nights.

I guess I'm leaning most village on you, Cray, but I feel like I can't trust anyone because it's LyLo.

I think people started suspecting me after Mel was lynched. I am under the impression it was because I had stated earlier that I was leaning wolfy on him but wasn't feeling confident about voting for him because of the WIFOM reasoning I had. I also was on the SOV lynch of the SOV vs. Mel lynch the night Mel was lynched but so was Dubz IIRC. I think it might also possibly have to do with the fact that I wasn't super active after that because I worked double shifts Monday-Wednesday. Then there was DocE pushing my lynch shortly after he subbed in.

I think it's weird people think that I bussed DocE as strategy and that he didn't seem wolfy so it was a weird vote for me (Zigs said this to me yesterday I think). This isn't retaliatory but I look harder at people who vote for me when I'm village especially when it doesn't really make any sense. I also got the feeling that DocE was trying to keep Mel alive. He also really annoyed me with the "contributing anything with merit today" comment... so that did make it a little easier for me to vote for him.

 

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Skim wasn't reading you as village. She tried to Lynch you a few days ago but decided she would give you more time (not sure if DocE influenced this or not.

My NKA is not really annoying. It makes sense to me, even if you can't get it. The wolves aren't trying to kill PRs because there are no more PRs. I feel like that's pretty straight forward. I think everyone left is vanilla rn.

I'm not hung up on it being you. But it's either you or Dina.


If I were a wolf, I would not have killed Skim last night, I would've killed WZ. She is 100% clear to me. I didn't mention this last night because I didn't want her to get Nkd.

I didn't vote for you hoping you would be out of commission. I did so thinking either you or Dina is the wolf.

If you thought Dina might be a wolf, why didn't you place your vote on the player that you expected could come defend over the one that said they wouldn't be around? Odd choice of a pressure vote if indeed that is what it was.