******* NYCOM Class of 2011 Part 2 ******

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i like the littman stethoscope. it served me well on rotations. but as a side note, if you learn to hear heart sounds on a "good quality" steth, it will be really hard to hear anything with crappy ones. i tried taking a bp with one of those $20 steths the nurse had, and i may as well have put my ear on the guys arm. so if you spend your money on a good one, dont lose it.
as for the oto/ophthalmoscope, i got suckered into buying a brand new one from school. and i ONLY used it for DPR. some people say they used theirs on their peds/fp rotations, but i think that is rare. i did an ophthalmology elective and i still didnt need to bring my own scope. every doctor's office and hospital has them. even the ICC exam rooms have them. i would buy a cheap one for DPR. just make sure you charge your battery before you bring it to class!!!

unless you want to buy my lovely and hardly used oto/ophthalmoscope... 😀
 
Dont think we need to do get equipment for this upcoming session so dont rush into buying anything. I would suggest a decent stethoscope and buy a used set off someone. From what I hear you will barely use it 6 times so why waste money on it
 
applicationsyea said:
Dont think we need to do get equipment for this upcoming session so dont rush into buying anything. I would suggest a decent stethoscope and buy a used set off someone. From what I hear you will barely use it 6 times so why waste money on it
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The stethescope is something you're going to use forever. You may as well get a nice one now. The other stuff you won't use much, so just get what you can find cheepest. If you order it online, and it doesn't come by your dpr session, make sure you print your email confirmation, because on the first day, they actually checked (they really didn't care after that though).
 
Do you guys have anatomy tomorrow? If so when? Thanks!
 
like 70% of that anatomy lecture went right over my head. tell me i'm not alone 😱
 
Vee said:
like 70% of that anatomy lecture went right over my head. tell me i'm not alone 😱
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Same here. I figure it will make more sense after tomorrow's lab...hopefully. I like Dr. Hwang's style, she's interesting to listen to at least 🙂
 
Unless you have kids...in that case, shell out for a nice otoscope...it can save you trips to the doctor...or help you go if you think they have an ear infection...

that's the only time i've used mine though other than the ONE time we used it in DPR...in ICC they have them for you on the wall.
 
I missed the pharm lecture as well as the anatomy lecture because of the ICC "excersise." I guess i'll just have to stream it. Anyway for those of you wondering, the ICC thing wasn't that bad. Pretty much they paired you off and sent you into the room in the same way that you would with a normal ICC excerise, with the exception that it will be just one of you. In each exam room is a simulated patient who pretty much goes over the steps of the exam and pointers in each part. For example: before using your stethoscope make sure to clean the diaphragm with an alcohol swab. All common sense stuff that they say students sometimes forget. Afterwards the director of the ICC speaks to you about the parameters on which you will be evaluated. All in all i think it was a good program to familiarize ourselves with how the ICC will work.
 
Nintendo18 said:
I missed the pharm lecture as well as the anatomy lecture because of the ICC "excersise." I guess i'll just have to stream it. Anyway for those of you wondering, the ICC thing wasn't that bad. Pretty much they paired you off and sent you into the room in the same way that you would with a normal ICC excerise, with the exception that it will be just one of you. In each exam room is a simulated patient who pretty much goes over the steps of the exam and pointers in each part. For example: before using your stethoscope make sure to clean the diaphragm with an alcohol swab. All common sense stuff that they say students sometimes forget. Afterwards the director of the ICC speaks to you about the parameters on which you will be evaluated. All in all i think it was a good program to familiarize ourselves with how the ICC will work.
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Wow, that's a lot better than our first ICC! They threw us in, with virtually no instruction, and said "take a history." Just to 'see how we'd do.' Looks like they may have actually listened to our feedback.
 
That was the best, I'm sure they all got a great laugh out of it :laugh:

KateGia said:
Wow, that's a lot better than our first ICC! They threw us in, with virtually no instruction, and said "take a history." Just to 'see how we'd do.' Looks like they may have actually listened to our feedback.
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How did you second years study for the anatomy practical?
 
Exanogen said:
How did you second years study for the anatomy practical?
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Learn all the structures in the anatomy lectures, diagrams from assigned readings in the text, and netter's flash cards. Then go up to the lab one afternoon and uncover a bunch of bodies. Go body to body IDing the various structures with a friend. Point to a random nerve and ask your friend what it is. The more bodies you study from, the better. As you've seen by now, we all really don't look the same on the inside.

Also be sure to look at the radiographs and be able to figure out what you're looking at- for the most part they'll only ask you structures that are pretty apparent on those. Be sure to know what nerve innervates this muscle and where its distal and proximal attachments are. Also know all the nooks and crannies on all the bones, and what structures attach to them. Be able to list what nerve, artery, and/or vein goes through the different foramen in the skull (if you've done that yet) and be able to tell apart the different types of vertebrae.

Anatomy can be very daunting and you can't BS it- practicals are not multiple choice. Go to the lab and study from the bodies- it can be fun if you're there with some friends and a break from reading text books.

Good luck!
 
"The maximum score was a 66. So we had one mofo in there that was culturally incompetent like a mug."

-- Melody S. Goodman, Ph.D.
 
NYCOM 2011 said:
"The maximum score was a 66. So we had one mofo in there that was culturally incompetent like a mug."

-- Melody S. Goodman, Ph.D.
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Dr. Goodman was hilarious. :laugh:
 
anatomy practicals...MAKE SURE YOU ACE YOUR ANATOMY...haha

I theoretically only "passed" like 2 anatomy practicals. I would hover close to the passing grade but made sure I aced my OMM exams so they would average out. It was walking a tightrope but I honestly hate anatomy. I'm not the type of person who likes to memorize. I find it too tedious and a waste of time. I love medicine, I hate memorization and I find anatomy practicals useless because I don't have any correlation to help me remember things.

With retests I always felt I had a safety net in case I did terrible but it seemed to work out. I can't really offer any advice on anatomy practicals since they were my weakest thing but I can say a few things about it.

1. The last one I took I did extremely well on and it happened to be the only time I ever used Netter's flash cards.

2. All the bold words in Grant's dissector are fair game. Make a list and try to study them all.

3. You will be under tons of pressure. With 1 body every minute, don't get flustered if you dont get something...just move on. If you find yourself thinking about the previous structure while you should be thinking about another body, it's going to get to you, trust me, this happened to me frequently.

4. They DO put structures on the practicals that you wouldn't expect so don't second guess yourself if it seems to be a pretty unimportant structure.

Anyway, that's about it. I hate anatomy. Just get through it this year and you won't have to do "true" anatomy practicals ever again
 
Hey Guys...

Anyone know how much of the anatomy practical origins, insertions, and innervations?

and an opnion question.... is 9 days enought to learn 6 labs worth of anatomy if I currently have pretty much no useful knowledge for the practical. Thanks 🙂
 
Nelachka said:
Hey Guys...

Anyone know how much of the anatomy practical origins, insertions, and innervations?

and an opnion question.... is 9 days enought to learn 6 labs worth of anatomy if I currently have pretty much no useful knowledge for the practical. Thanks 🙂
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The back seems like it contains the vast majority of muscles/nerves/insertions/etc to know. Lungs and heart and great vessels are pretty straightforward and there doesn't seem to be too many surprises. I think it's doable in 9 days, but it'll involve alot of extra time in the lab. It really helps to see the stuff again after hours when you're not burdened with dissection 🙂
 
jp104 said:
why is it so fn cold in Williams! 😕
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Complain to Dominic Gagnon. I did. Maybe if enough of us say something they will not have sub 70 temps. There's really no reason for it to be that cold.
 
Nelachka said:
Hey Guys...

Anyone know how much of the anatomy practical origins, insertions, and innervations?

and an opnion question.... is 9 days enought to learn 6 labs worth of anatomy if I currently have pretty much no useful knowledge for the practical. Thanks 🙂
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Hi guys,

I'm a 2nd year, and as far as anatomy goes, my advice is to definitely buy Yakochi's Color Atlas of Anatomy (here's a link :http://www.amazon.com/Color-Atlas-Anatomy-Photographic-Study/dp/0683304925)
It has actual pictures of cadavers, not drawings.
This book really really helped me with the practicals and before I got it I was on the verge of failing the practicals (but we had OMM to even it out)
Its a great resource, and for me a big help.
Good luck on your exam!
 
jp104 said:
The back seems like it contains the vast majority of muscles/nerves/insertions/etc to know. Lungs and heart and great vessels are pretty straightforward and there doesn't seem to be too many surprises. I think it's doable in 9 days, but it'll involve alot of extra time in the lab. It really helps to see the stuff again after hours when you're not burdened with dissection 🙂
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What worked for me:

Go in when there is no one else in the lab but you and one or 2 others. Take out a grants. Go 1 lab at a time, and make sure you can identify everything on several bodies, without looking at the answers. Then study out of yakochi's and the netter's flash cards. Just remember that the netter's cards don't have all of the structures! Name the things that aren't labeled too!



PS about the freezing lecture halls. I've been emailing them on a daily basis since last year. Your only hope is to dress warm.
 
like GBG says you need to put yourself on the spot with pop quizzes or you will not be as sharp come lab practical time. It's painful but necessary. Giving a 2 minute rundown of all the muscles in the back is not the same as pointing to a structure and asking "ID this".

Orient thyself:

-forget about the previous specimen
-What are you are looking at grossly?
-identify landmarks to help you find what level, layer, etc you are looking at.
-where is the structure coming/going.
-Id the structure
-confirm everything.
-confused? start from the top.
-repeat

-it is amazing how you will forget what you were looking at 3 minutes ago. write something down for each structure before starting the next station.

-don't make silly mistakes like not knowing if you are looking at a nerve, artery, or vein.
-be sure to look at where vessels are coming or going.
-more orientation: can you tell if a radiograph is backwards? can you tell which end of a bone will attach to another? can you tell what side of a body a bone is comes from and how it would be oriented on the skeleton?
-make sure that pin is actually going through a nerve and not actually stabbing a muscle and just merely touching the nerve, something like that.
-I think there was an exam with instructions for IDing a specimen and people did not read it.
-I hated mnemonics all my life until med school. Embrace them now!!
-don't be a n00b and learn structures from one orientation because when they pronate that forearm or flip that skull over on you during practical you are screwed. :meanie:
-Don't be late for your lab practical!
 
Nice Pipes said:
Complain to Dominic Gagnon. I did. Maybe if enough of us say something they will not have sub 70 temps. There's really no reason for it to be that cold.
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your not the first class who complained about the cold and definitely wont be the last. that building has been freezing since it was built. bring a sweatshirt. the perk of 2nd year is moving to the slightly warmer mollie.

about studying for anatomy - pay attention in lab, if the teachers/fellows mention something like "table 12 has a great brachial plexus" you can almost be sure they are gonna pin that one. or if there's an anomaly, my year someone had a meckel's diverticulum, and of course it got pinned. but you really just have to go around and look at bodies. especially male/female, and not just for plumbing. things look WAY different in a 100 pound old lady.

do they still let you pick your own station when you start the practical? if worse comes to worse, start at the one AFTER the break station, that way you will end on a break and you have that final minute to check over your answers. if you have no clue what you are looking at, try to sketch it on the back of your paper and come back to it.

and if you look at other's cadavers, TAKE CARE OF THEM. keep them wet and wrap them up tight. seriously. things will get nasty in a couple of months. the department will notice if the cadavers get all dried out because no one bothers to take care of them, and if you think that will get you an easier practical, think again, they are on to that game....
 
all these hints are helpful. but i dunno if you second years know that our lab quizzes are different than yours were (which is really helping me). IF you are randomly selected for a quiz that day, they give you a notecard (that is graded) and point to five structures from the lab that day. granted, they are on YOUR body, are positioned the same, and are pretty basic structures. but it's definitely practice for thinking on the spot, and it really forces you to drill in your head what you learned that day.
 
As HG said...you really have to know everything about the structures, because it's so tough to orient yourself during a practical. The easiest way to identify something is to orient yourself by figuring out everything around a structure...sometimes this isn't so easy...during our GI and GU anatomy, they liked to pull organs out and mess them around and it you had to start examining where certain things connected in order to figure them out.

Anyway, anatomy practicals, suck...I'm not sure about your anatomy quizzes...

also... 9 days to learn 6 anatomy labs is probably gonna be a bit much if you wanna ace the practical but if you spend a bunch of time doing it you should be able to pass. I'm someone who thinks anatomy practicals are a waste of time. Last year I spent 65% - 75% of my time the week before an exam studying for anatomy practicals and the other time studying for the written. The written is worth more and I would do better on it than my anatomy practicals yet I wasted all my time doing anatomy anyway since the practicals are tough. The only good thing about it is if you really truly put the time in, you will do ok on it. I could have probably done more for my anatomy practicals, mainly, study every week leading up to the exam, instead, trying to cram for anatomy will hurt you a bit. You will still be able to pass, just don't plan on acing it. If you go that route, just be extra careful with your OMM.
 
Thanks for all the useful responses, they definitely helped me out a lot. I am just glad OMM + Anatomy practicals are both factored into the practical grade of the course. It seems nearly impossible to ace the anatomy practical, but I will definitely try to go in everyday this week beforehand so I have a good chance.
 
dude, relax... its WAY overwhelming...but if you study, you'll end up passing...they'll throw out a couple of structures, and you'll nail a few that you think you don't know... its a headache, and you'll worry about it until you get your grade...but everyone is in the same boat and ends up doing fine...
 
1. so for mcwhinneys lectures, all i gotta say is what?@#@$???
2. for this convocation thing, what WOULD happen if we decided not to go, even though its mandatory? like is it something worthwhile that my parents dont want to miss, or is it just plain ol dumb...

is this an experience that i can live my life happily without having? haha
 
lol i hate coming on here because every time I do check this site, it has all my biggest fears being discussed. From Anatomy to the quiz to wasting time at the stupid convocation. I think a lot of people are going to skip the convocation but these people are treating us like 5 year olds so I dont know what they could possibly have up their sleeve. Not sure I want to risk it.

I would sooo rather be 😴 than be 😱 or even :scared: the entire time
 
applicationsyea said:
lol i hate coming on here because every time I do check this site, it has all my biggest fears being discussed. From Anatomy to the quiz to wasting time at the stupid convocation. I think a lot of people are going to skip the convocation but these people are treating us like 5 year olds so I dont know what they could possibly have up their sleeve. Not sure I want to risk it.

I would sooo rather be 😴 than be 😱 or even :scared: the entire time
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convocation is just a ruse to fill seats. If you go then have fun with your classmates or bring study material. I felt really bad for bringing my sister, wife, and son there last year
 
I heard they're taking attendance at convocation with the clickers...
 
Lol that is funny. You'll see the tilles center installing sensors to detect clickers tomorrow afternoon.
 
Dear NYCOMer's ,
I would like to find out whether anyone knows the details of the statement I have received from NYCOM.

Maybe saomeone will help to break the statement into separate items:

Registration - 2007N1 22,060.65
Registration - 2007N1 4,207.50

It doesn't state anywhere in a bill whether the charges for Insurance or not..

Do we have the Offficial Book and where it's listed where we can see the cost
for tution, and all other fees...

Thanks
 
Here's to the NYCOM Class of 2011, the most gender equal class in NYIT history lol! :laugh:👍
 
doc nycom ped said:
Dear NYCOMer's ,
I would like to find out whether anyone knows the details of the statement I have received from NYCOM.

Maybe saomeone will help to break the statement into separate items:

Registration - 2007N1 22,060.65
Registration - 2007N1 4,207.50

It doesn't state anywhere in a bill whether the charges for Insurance or not..

Do we have the Offficial Book and where it's listed where we can see the cost
for tution, and all other fees...

Thanks
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Tuition and fees are on page 8 of the Handbook:
http://iris.nyit.edu/nycom/Student_Handbook_2007-2008.pdf

Other than that I don't know. Stop in financial aid tomorrow and ask them.
 
So when are we getting our Health Insurance refund checks back?
 
Congrats, you all, for being convicted into NYCOM. It was the most fruity affair I have ever seen. I have never seen a group of people pat themselves on the back so much and not care that no one else is watching.

In Dr. Gilliar's wise words...

"You should always assume a patient is sexually hyperactive because even if they are not actually doing it with another person, they're thinking about it and the action is still happening"

I think that sums up the convocation pretty well...
 
since we are finally welcomes, we can now OFFICIALLY start med school....yay
 
jp104 said:
Here's to the NYCOM Class of 2011, the most gender equal class in NYIT history lol! :laugh:👍
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that is all i took away from tonight's ridiculousness too. waste of time!
 
i know this sounds a bit neurotic, but yea,

so are there any, in its most literal sense, QUIET places to study at NYCOM. I tried the library, and for some reason, theres always a party going on in the rest of the building and you can hear all the noise in the library, or the printers printing the reciepts.

I then proceeded to the silent study of the riland building, and theres just way too many people in there for it to be quiet, everyone is talking or walking in and out of that room...

I finally went outside, the tables next to the pond, and while studying, i noticed my head bumping to someone playin 50 cent in the parking lot...

needless to say, i am home now...haha, but i really need a place where i can just sit down for a couple of hours and bang out some studying....any suggestions?
 
Your best bet is the basement of the library where u can't hear the commotion going on upstairs. There will always be a few *****s whispering loudly or screwing around and making noise down there but usually once you make eye contact with them they shutup.
 
MAK said:
i know this sounds a bit neurotic, but yea,

so are there any, in its most literal sense, QUIET places to study at NYCOM. I tried the library, and for some reason, theres always a party going on in the rest of the building and you can hear all the noise in the library, or the printers printing the reciepts.

I then proceeded to the silent study of the riland building, and theres just way too many people in there for it to be quiet, everyone is talking or walking in and out of that room...

I finally went outside, the tables next to the pond, and while studying, i noticed my head bumping to someone playin 50 cent in the parking lot...

needless to say, i am home now...haha, but i really need a place where i can just sit down for a couple of hours and bang out some studying....any suggestions?
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Use ear plugs or headphones, then you can study anywhere including during lecture.
 
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