How Pharmacy Work Stopped Being So Great (Published 2022)
Two years of economic recovery brought strong gains to workers at the top and the bottom, but headwinds for those in between. Consider the pharmacist.
www.nytimes.com
How Pharmacy Work Stopped Being So Great How Pharmacy Work Stopped Being So GreatPaywall. Sounds like an interesting article though.
Yea, we've been talking about this for 10+ years on here. Whenever I see a new grad at work I just shrug. I'm only working 2 days a week these days and it seems like everytime I come in for work they've added on some new responsibility. You would think they would try to lighten the workload with so many stores being closed because of a lack of pharmacists.It stopped being “great” after the housing crash in 2008.
It stopped being “great” after the housing crash in 2008.
It really is time to unionize
Really the only way for things to change
I actually tried to get union reps out before I quit my last job. Figured if I was leaving anyway I might as well try to help out my coworkers on the way out. Couldn't get anyone to even return my calls.It really is time to unionize
Really the only way for things to change
It really is time to unionize
Really the only way for things to change
The article seems to be focused on pregnant (female) pharmacist with 3 to 5 kids! Why this slant, are they the only ones that suffer? Maybe hormones? Post Partem Depression? Very odd to go around the country and focus on three female pharmacist and their plight!How Pharmacy Work Stopped Being So Great (Published 2022)
Two years of economic recovery brought strong gains to workers at the top and the bottom, but headwinds for those in between. Consider the pharmacist.www.nytimes.com
It really is time to unionize
Really the only way for things to change
It was around this time that I made the decision to become a pharmacist, because it had such a great outlook at the time. I feel I've been duped, lol
Now I'm skeptical about jumping ship to any other profession knowing it could turn to sh** just as easily.
Yea, we've been talking about this for 10+ years on here. Whenever I see a new grad at work I just shrug. I'm only working 2 days a week these days and it seems like everytime I come in for work they've added on some new responsibility. You would think they would try to lighten the workload with so many stores being closed because of a lack of pharmacists.
Indeed, you were rick rolled.
However, the projection and word around pharmacy getting to where it is today were out there, many just didn’t want to believe it because they were blinded by the $$. The next 10 year projections are even worse, anyone considering it for the last 5 years should seriously question their ability to make adult decisions because the facts are there and it’s not an”ignorance is bliss” kind of situation.
Given that the profession is majority female, I don't think it is really surprising. I also don't think it is surprising that women may have had more difficultly "just dealing with" the difficult working conditions that can arise in retail. It says they contacted many pharmacists. Maybe these were the most compelling stories. Maybe they were the only ones willing to share their names.The article seems to be focused on pregnant (female) pharmacist with 3 to 5 kids! Why this slant, are they the only ones that suffer? Maybe hormones? Post Partem Depression? Very odd to go around the country and focus on three female pharmacist and their plight!
WHOA! Let's not go there, I am a card carrying feminist. But don't you see the article as very exclusionary. Says they interviewed pharmacist far and wide but the only examples of "struggle" is female, large chain retail, motherhood, child care problems. Don't you think this simplifies and excludes a whole lot of other issues that we all face?Given that the profession is majority female, I don't think it is really surprising. I also don't think it is surprising that women may have had more difficultly "just dealing with" the difficult working conditions that can arise in retail. It says they contacted many pharmacists. Maybe these were the most compelling stories. Maybe they were the only ones willing to share their names.
Do you feel like that some specific struggle was overlooked by not including a male pharmacist among the interviewed? Or maybe there is some unrelated thought you have about female pharmacists that would cause you to focus on this specific detail instead of the overall message of the article?
Let's look at the actual complaintsWHOA! Let's not go there, I am a card carrying feminist. But don't you see the article as very exclusionary. Says they interviewed pharmacist far and wide but the only examples of "struggle" is female, large chain retail, motherhood, child care problems. Don't you think this simplifies and excludes a whole lot of other issues that we all face?
This doesn't seem like a gender specific or parent specific complaintAmanda Poole: "I was stressed all day long about giving immunizations. I’d look at patients and say to them, ‘I’d love to fill your prescriptions today, but there’s no way I can.’”
While the breastfeeding issue is woman specific, the experience of being a solo pharmacist, who doesn't have time to eat enough for good health, and has to deal with work caused anxiety and depression is not.Suzanne Wommack: "but she was almost always the only pharmacist on duty during her shift," “I had to quit breastfeeding within a month of starting because I could never pump or eat enough to sustain milk,” (emphasis mine). She said she later began taking anti-anxiety medication and antidepressants to cope with stress at work.
Again the pregnant thing isn't something we all experience, I think the lack of safety in being completely alone is.Amanda Poole again: The day that Dr. Poole began seriously reconsidering her CVS job in Tuscaloosa came in May 2021 when, nearly eight months pregnant, she fainted at work... there was no co-worker around to notice that she had hit the deck.
Absolutely nothing about that situation is gender specificSarah Knolhoff: received an email from management announcing that it was planning to hire several pharmacists in her area to help administer Covid vaccines. But the positions never materialized. The company later announced that a change in state regulations would allow pharmacy technicians to administer shots. “They expected the techs to transition into that role,
Nope. Nothing gender specific about being without a backup while sick.Suzanne Wommack again: In August 2020, Dr. Wommack, the Walgreens pharmacist in Missouri, got Covid. A colleague covered her first two days out but couldn’t cover the third, at which point the store simply closed because there was no backup plan.
I am sure that absolutely no male has ever had that experience.Amanda Poole again: “Every day, I was like: I hope I don’t kill anyone.”
Sorry, anything over 4 lines, you have lost me. Damn this ADHD. You win!Let's look at the actual complaints
This doesn't seem like a gender specific or parent specific complaint
While the breastfeeding issue is woman specific, the experience of being a solo pharmacist, who doesn't have time to eat enough for good health, and has to deal with work caused anxiety and depression is not.
Again the pregnant thing isn't something we all experience, I think the lack of safety in being completely alone is.
Absolutely nothing about that situation is gender specific
Nope. Nothing gender specific about being without a backup while sick.
I am sure that absolutely no male has ever had that experience.
I think you are reading something into this that isn't there and that it isn't exclusionary at all. What issues faced by retail pharmacists do you think would have been better covered if they had interviewed a man?
With so many women, you have to deal with endless maternity breaks and FMLA. I get that men can do this, too, but let's be real, women are the primary culprits. This wouldn't be an issue in most cases, but retail pharmacies are run on skeleton crews because they beat their employees like rented miles. So it winds up causing those left at the pharmacy feeling with endless stress and the desire to stab someone.Do you feel like that some specific struggle was overlooked by not including a male pharmacist among the interviewed?
With so many women, you have to deal with endless maternity breaks and FMLA. I get that men can do this, too, but let's be real, women are the primary culprits. This wouldn't be an issue in most cases, but retail pharmacies are run on skeleton crews because they beat their employees like rented miles. So it winds up causing those left at the pharmacy feeling with endless stress and the desire to stab someone.
In fact, if I could only employ gay men, I would. They are the group least likely to have children. And, thus, the least likely to call up at 7am and tell me they can't come in because little Xander or whatever stupid name they are using these days has a fever. Leaving me without labor required to get the job done. Again.
I work with 4 gay men pharmacists, three of them have kids, and all of them took their entire 12 week FMLA off when their child came- just saying...In fact, if I could only employ gay men, I would. They are the group least likely to have children. And, thus, the least likely to call up at 7am and tell me they can't come in because little Xander or whatever stupid name they are using these days has a fever. Leaving me without labor required to get the job done. Again.
Yea, what he said!With so many women, you have to deal with endless maternity breaks and FMLA. I get that men can do this, too, but let's be real, women are the primary culprits. This wouldn't be an issue in most cases, but retail pharmacies are run on skeleton crews because they beat their employees like rented miles. So it winds up causing those left at the pharmacy feeling with endless stress and the desire to stab someone.
In fact, if I could only employ gay men, I would. They are the group least likely to have children. And, thus, the least likely to call up at 7am and tell me they can't come in because little Xander or whatever stupid name they are using these days has a fever. Leaving me without labor required to get the job done. Again.
Pharmacy pay has not kept up with inflation. Starting pay in 2007 was $55-60/hr That would be $80-87/hr today.
I am a big fan of maternity, motherhood and newborns! I have three kids/adults now! I know how important baby/mother time is. We made a huge sacrifice to forgo my wife's considerable salary, for her to stay home and raise the babies. I had to work two jobs to support the family.I've never seen so many people salty about maternity leave as I've seen in pharmacy. Y'all act like there aren't females in other professions that have kids too. If you had kids then I'm sure you'd want your wife to be at home with her newborn instead of at work.
I am a big fan of maternity, motherhood and newborns! I have three kids/adults now! I know how important baby/mother time is. We made a huge sacrifice to forgo my wife's considerable salary, for her to stay home and raise the babies. I had to work two jobs to support the family.
The villains in this story are large hospital systems and chains. They can't AND won't replace or provide adequate relief for the pharmacy when an FTE pharmacist is out on maternity leave, so everyone suffers. That's when the "salt" enters the picture!
My current place has 2 people out on FMLA for personal injuries and one person out for parental leave. They won't hire a temp full-timer or increase the part-timers hours and always claim the per diems aren't able to cover it.
I still have a couple of weeks of paternity time left for this year. They'll go bat**** if I decide to use it.
I am sorry but this generation is too marshmallow soft! My firstborn (31 years ago) was a scheduled c-section. At the time I was manager at a Home Infusion Pharmacy. We scheduled the c-section for Friday afternoon 2pm. I only missed half a day of work. I was back to work Monday morning, bright and early! Never even imagined having something called paternity leave.
Other than having to put up with me, my wife has had a pretty awesome life, no need to feel sorry for her. Had her mom move in, help with the first two babies. She lives in a $1.4Mill, 6900sq home, drives a luxury SUV, works 1-2 days a week. She got to spend quality time with her 3 babies, didn't have to dump them at daycare at 6mos old.Lol, sucks to be your wife.
It was ****ing ******ed that it was never offered back then. Why shouldn't the dad get to spend time with the newborn and get paid time away from work? The only problem with the system that they are offering for parental leave is that the state puts a cap on the pay out. It's 66% of your average weekly wage up to a max payout of $1100 a week. So since, I make $3k a week, 66% would be about $2k. Meanwhile if someone normally makes $1666 a week, they would be the ones to get the actual max 66%.
Other than having to put up with me, my wife has had a pretty awesome life, no need to feel sorry for her. Had her mom move in, help with the first two babies. She lives in a $1.4Mill, 6900sq home, drives a luxury SUV, works 1-2 days a week. She got to spend quality time with her 3 babies, didn't have to dump them at daycare at 6mos old.
Married for 37 years!
Just got back from her third vacation since June (Spain, Seaside, Fl., and Mexico). Life is good!
Wow, missing out on Paternity Leave SUCKS big time.
Other than having to put up with me, my wife has had a pretty awesome life, no need to feel sorry for her. Had her mom move in, help with the first two babies. She lives in a $1.4Mill, 6900sq home, drives a luxury SUV, works 1-2 days a week. She got to spend quality time with her 3 babies, didn't have to dump them at daycare at 6mos old.
Married for 37 years!
Just got back from her third vacation since June (Spain, Seaside, Fl., and Mexico). Life is good!
Wow, missing out on Paternity Leave SUCKS big time.
I don't get why people get upset when people take their time- I have never seen anyone (openly) say a woman shouldn't get the time - and even nobody says things when men take their time - I took 8 weeks of FMLA when my daughter was born (6 weeks at birth and 2 weeks when my wife went back to work)- I saved the other 4 in case something came came up in that first year we weren't expecting.I've never seen so many people salty about maternity leave as I've seen in pharmacy. Y'all act like there aren't females in other professions that have kids too. If you had kids then I'm sure you'd want your wife to be at home with her newborn instead of at work.
use it - just to make a point. I would **** them if they can't staff the placeMy current place has 2 people out on FMLA for personal injuries and one person out for parental leave. They won't hire a temp full-timer or increase the part-timers hours and always claim the per diems aren't able to cover it.
I still have a couple of weeks of paternity time left for this year. They'll go bat**** if I decide to use it.
Y'all gonna get salty, but that is being a crappy husband and father - do you seriously not want to spend time with your new child? That is the defnition of toxic masculinity,I am sorry but this generation is too marshmallow soft! My firstborn (31 years ago) was a scheduled c-section. At the time I was manager at a Home Infusion Pharmacy. We scheduled the c-section for Friday afternoon 2pm. I only missed half a day of work. I was back to work Monday morning, bright and early! Never even imagined having something called paternity leave.
I don't get why people get upset when people take their time- I have never seen anyone (openly) say a woman shouldn't get the time - and even nobody says things when men take their time - I took 8 weeks of FMLA when my daughter was born (6 weeks at birth and 2 weeks when my wife went back to work)- I saved the other 4 in case something came came up in that first year we weren't expecting.
there are too many people in this world that are either too gullible and think their employer gives a rat's ass about them, or think by putting in "extra" work they are going to get further ahead- screw that- in in the past 4 years I have literally stayed late (more than 5 minutes) once- and that was due to a code. I usually bug out 10-15 minutes early every single day, and an hour on the weekend, and I got my annual eval in the top 10% of the department, yet some of these fools consitently give an extra hour or two all the time and work from home off the clock.Seriously, family comes first. Who cares about work for a few months? You have the rest of your life to work. Everyone should take all the time they are eligible for.
Ehhh, not always. I was in solo practice primary care when my kids were born. Taking 1-2 months off would likely have caused the practice to go under.Y'all gonna get salty, but that is being a crappy husband and father - do you seriously not want to spend time with your new child? That is the defnition of toxic masculinity,
Ehhh, not always. I was in solo practice primary care when my kids were born. Taking 1-2 months off would likely have caused the practice to go under.
that is different that working for a large employer who can cover your hours- if one of your med assistants needed the time off, you could cover, it would suck, but that is life. As the provider - literally no money is coming in without you- then you have to balance life and work - if you worked as a hospitalist, you would take the time off and not bat an eye (at least around here that happens)Ehhh, not always. I was in solo practice primary care when my kids were born. Taking 1-2 months off would likely have caused the practice to go under.
Sure, my wife took a full 3 months post-partum from her large hospitalist job plus 1 month pre-delivery on bed rest.that is different that working for a large employer who can cover your hours- if one of your med assistants needed the time off, you could cover, it would suck, but that is life. As the provider - literally no money is coming in without you- then you have to balance life and work - if you worked as a hospitalist, you would take the time off and not bat an eye (at least around here that happens)
Ah so she was lucky to have her mom help with the babies.
You don't think you missed out by not being around the newborns 24/7 for the first few months?
Guys, I don't get all the venom and vitriol, different strokes for different folks! I have absolutely nothing against FMLA, maternity, paternity or any
-ternity that helps moms and dads spend time with their babies. I shared how I did it and what worked for me! And no I didn't sleep at the pharmacy, I put in my 8 hours, and went home and spent time with the babies. There was no such thing as paternity leave. Also as management, at a home infusion company, there was no way a "floater" could step in and cover for a few months. I could have taken 3 months off, but would be looking for a job at Eckerds after that. And no my three kids are not abused, or neglected. They are well adjusted adults, with absolutely no student loans, a good education and a good head start on life. I stayed married, stayed in their lives and tried to be a good role model. Well maybe I missed the 3-month paternity bonding time, but I think I have more than made up for that.
In four weeks I will be on a cruise with just my two sons, age 31 and 26. How many young people would pay their own way to cruise with their old dad, going on 3 years (COVID Excepted).
Peace and Love. Peace and Love.
Perspective is everything.Pharmacy pay has not kept up with inflation. Starting pay in 2007 was $55-60/hr That would be $80-87/hr today.
Perspective is everything.
Starting Salary 1982: $12.50/hr
with Inflation: $37.50/hr
use it - just to make a point. I would **** them if they can't staff the place
Guys, I don't get all the venom and vitriol, different strokes for different folks! I have absolutely nothing against FMLA, maternity, paternity or any
-ternity that helps moms and dads spend time with their babies. I shared how I did it and what worked for me! And no I didn't sleep at the pharmacy, I put in my 8 hours, and went home and spent time with the babies. There was no such thing as paternity leave. Also as management, at a home infusion company, there was no way a "floater" could step in and cover for a few months. I could have taken 3 months off, but would be looking for a job at Eckerds after that. And no my three kids are not abused, or neglected. They are well adjusted adults, with absolutely no student loans, a good education and a good head start on life. I stayed married, stayed in their lives and tried to be a good role model. Well maybe I missed the 3-month paternity bonding time, but I think I have more than made up for that.
In four weeks I will be on a cruise with just my two sons, age 31 and 26. How many young people would pay their own way to cruise with their old dad, going on 3 years (COVID Excepted).
Peace and Love. Peace and Love.
As in how many people 26-31 could afford a cruise? Not being sarcastic but aren’t cruises like $500? I would imagine most 26-31 could easily afford it, much less ones with half a decent job.
How much were houses and stocks in 1982?Perspective is everything.
Starting Salary 1982: $12.50/hr
with Inflation: $37.50/hr