NYU announced a new med school in Long Island. Focus on primary care.

[Arsartium]

Any information on whether this program will permit you to pursue a fellowship to specialize after completing a residency in an eligible specialty?

@NYULI Admin

I imagine that what happens after residency is up to you. Of course you could specialize, but the mission is primary care. So yes, one could theoretically do a cards or GI fellowship after an internal med residency at NYU Winthrop, but if you know that is what you want to do before admission, ask yourself--is it ethical to say otherwise? Or to take the spot from someone who actually wants a career in primary care?

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[920820]

I imagine that what happens after residency is up to you. Of course you could specialize, but the mission is primary care. So yes, one could theoretically do a cards or GI fellowship after an internal med residency at NYU Winthrop, but if you know that is what you want to do before admission, ask yourself--is it ethical to say otherwise? Or to take the spot from someone who actually wants a career in primary care?

Absolutely valid point. I am curious on the institution’s vision on life after residency given the current information about the program that we are working off of.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Do you guys think it would still be worth it to apply here with low stats (508) if we have a strong passion for primary care/working with underserved and experiences that can back it up? Or will NYU likely stick to its high stat applicant population?

Is your 508 balanced? What is your GPA and science GPA?

 

[theKingLT]

I imagine that what happens after residency is up to you. Of course you could specialize, but the mission is primary care. So yes, one could theoretically do a cards or GI fellowship after an internal med residency at NYU Winthrop, but if you know that is what you want to do before admission, ask yourself--is it ethical to say otherwise? Or to take the spot from someone who actually wants a career in primary care?

Absolutely valid point. I am curious on the institution’s vision on life after residency given the current information about the program that we are working off of.

ehh, if you go cards but then donate half of the extra $200k you'll be making back to the school every year, then I don't think they would have a problem with it 😉

 

[DexterMorganSK]

Another program where 4.0 and 528 won't be enough for admissions!

Btw, Kaiser P is also doing this for the first 5 of their classes!

 

[premed1980]

Does anyone know if the email "personally" inviting us to apply was sent to all applicants to NYU or a select group??

 

[DrFortiusNatando]

Does anyone know if the email "personally" inviting us to apply was sent to all applicants to NYU or a select group??

Can't be sure, but all of my advisees who applied got the email, including those who got II's and those who did not get II's.

 

[premedalt]

"three year MD curriculum, shaving one year off the time to the MD degree. All matriculated students will also be conditionally accepted through the National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) to the NYU Winthrop primary care residency of their choice, receiving mentorship from faculty in their chosen fields of internal medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics & gynecology, or general surgery from day one of medical school. "

I'm confused, is surgery primary care??

 

[ginsengreset]

"three year MD curriculum, shaving one year off the time to the MD degree. All matriculated students will also be conditionally accepted through the National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) to the NYU Winthrop primary care residency of their choice, receiving mentorship from faculty in their chosen fields of internal medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics & gynecology, or general surgery from day one of medical school. "

I'm confused, is surgery primary care??

If you had to pick 4 physicians to serve an area that previously had no doctors, I'm guessin that an internist, pediatrician, OB/Gyn and a general surgeon could conceivably meet much of the primary health needs of the population.

 

[freelancePsychic]

Does anyone know if the email "personally" inviting us to apply was sent to all applicants to NYU or a select group??

I got the email even though I'm an MD-PHD applicant interested in Neurology. It's not targeted.

 

[vaticrunner]

Can't be sure, but all of my advisees who applied got the email, including those who got II's and those who did not get II's.

On the WL at NYU, and I don't think I received an email for this school. If you don't mind me asking were any of your advisees on WL and got the email.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

Wondering.... since it’s a 3 year program, do you think that NYU will specifically choose students who have very strong science foundations so that only doing 1 year of didactic instruction will be achievable and sufficient?

 

[yoba]

On the WL at NYU, and I don't think I received an email for this school. If you don't mind me asking were any of your advisees on WL and got the email.

I'm currently on the NYU WL, and I did not receive any emails about this new program.

 

[PreMedMissteps]

"three year MD curriculum, shaving one year off the time to the MD degree. All matriculated students will also be conditionally accepted through the National Resident Matching Program (NRMP) to the NYU Winthrop primary care residency of their choice, receiving mentorship from faculty in their chosen fields of internal medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics & gynecology, or general surgery from day one of medical school. "

I'm confused, is surgery primary care??

Is there such a thing as defined “primary care”? Seems sort of fluid. Ive even seen psychiatry sometimes described as primary care. There’s the obvious Family medicine, peds, and then ObGyn and IM are often included, and now general surgery?

 

[Kerouac2015]

Anyone know how soon this school will be listed on AMCAS?

 

[bobbitybob]

Anyone know how soon this school will be listed on AMCAS?

I would guess this week since they expect to start interviewing as early as mid march

This was in the email they sent if you have any questions: If you wish to apply, please continue to check AMCAS and NYULISOM’s website at https://medli.nyu.edu for more information on when applications can be submitted. Additional information on the school and the application process is available on their website. Should you have further questions after reviewing their site, please feel free to email NYULISOM’s admissions team led by Dr. Dan Barlev at [email protected]

 

[PreMedMissteps]

And NYU's love of high stats students, if carried over to this program, does not always encourage those with the most experience and maturity to apply.

I’m wondering if that love for high stats students, will not carry over to this program. Instead they may be looking for students with strong stats but also a lot of community involvement With the underserved

 

[theKingLT]

On the WL at NYU, and I don't think I received an email for this school. If you don't mind me asking were any of your advisees on WL and got the email.

I'm currently on the NYU WL, and I did not receive any emails about this new program.

+2. Seems like they specifically did not send it to their waitlisted applicants. They may not want us applying! I wasn't going to apply regardless but I'm curious as to why???

 

[DrFortiusNatando]

On the WL at NYU, and I don't think I received an email for this school. If you don't mind me asking were any of your advisees on WL and got the email.

No waitlisted or accepted students got the email that I know of. Only those Rejected pre-II and post-II.

 

[Moose97]

Anyone know about actually living on Long Island? I’m from out west, so all I hear are the stereotypes.

 

[itsgoingtibiagoodday]

Anyone know when the application is going to be up?

 

[ph1103]

Anyone know when the application is going to be up?

From the website: "Students who are interested in joining our inaugural class can apply via the American Medical College Application Service® (AMCAS®). Opens in a new tab, a centralized application processing service of the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), beginning in late February or early March of 2019. We are awaiting AAMC processing for our medical school application to open in AMCAS®."

MD Admissions | NYU Langone Health

 

[ginsengreset]

I am willing to bet a solid 5 points of MCAT scores that this school will be tution free. No way in hell would NYU make their main med school tution free, just to make a primary care only school that costs money.

Looks like you're keeping your 5 MCAT points, because this is what their website says:

"NYU Long Island School of Medicine is proud to offer full-tuition scholarships for three years to all matriculated students who maintain satisfactory academic progress and professionalism standards, regardless of merit or financial need. Enrolled students receive a bill that includes a tuition charge along with a credit for a full-tuition scholarship that offsets this cost.

We also offer federal loans to help our students cover additional costs associated with attending medical school, including books and supplies, room and board, health insurance, and fees."

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

Exciting news for NYU community... if only I had the GPA for it.

 

[itsgoingtibiagoodday]

From the website: "Students who are interested in joining our inaugural class can apply via the American Medical College Application Service® (AMCAS®). Opens in a new tab, a centralized application processing service of the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), beginning in late February or early March of 2019. We are awaiting AAMC processing for our medical school application to open in AMCAS®."

MD Admissions | NYU Langone Health

Thanks!! I hope it comes up soon.

 

[LizzyM]

Also, color me pretty surprised by this move. Didn't think NYU was all that interested in churning out primary care docs, especially considering that the "shortage" isn't really an issue in Manhattan or Long Island.

Manhattan and Long Island are shortage areas despite the large number of medical schools and medical centers. These places are crawling with specialists but it is hard to find anyone in primary care in Manhattan.

 

[Toutie]

Manhattan and Long Island are shortage areas despite the large number of medical schools and medical centers. These places are crawling with specialists but it is hard to find anyone in primary care in Manhattan.

There's always Dr Harold Bornstein, right? 🙄

 

[LizzyM]

There's always Dr Harold Bornstein, right? 🙄

He's a gastroenterologist. I rest my case.

 

[Toutie]

He's a gastroenterologist. I rest my case.

Oh that's right. He is. 😳

 

[965978]

Manhattan and Long Island are shortage areas despite the large number of medical schools and medical centers. These places are crawling with specialists but it is hard to find anyone in primary care in Manhattan.

I have noticed that sometimes sub-specialists under IM are easier to access than PCPs. And what ends up happening (especially with cardiologists and endocrinologists) is that the patient may start to ask the specialist about more general medical conditions and the specialist may start taking the role of a primary care physician.

Although I'm just saying this out of shadowing experience.

 

[LuciusVorenus]

Anyone know about actually living on Long Island? I’m from out west, so all I hear are the stereotypes.

It's kind of a giant island depends on where you live. Places like Great Neck are a lot like Orange County but + winter. Farther east is more giant houses less people.

 

[LizzyM]

It's kind of a giant island depends on where you live. Places like Great Neck are a lot like Orange County but + winter. Farther east is more giant houses less people.

Farther east used to be mostly farms, particularly Long Island potatoes... much of that is gone now. Many big "second homes" and weekend beach houses but also a year-round population that includes school teachers (who often go elsewhere during the summer-- it is too pricey to stay) and blue-collar and small business locals who have been on the "north fork" or the "south fork" for generations.

 

[efle]

Manhattan and Long Island are shortage areas despite the large number of medical schools and medical centers. These places are crawling with specialists but it is hard to find anyone in primary care in Manhattan.

Surprising to hear since it's such a hot location. Is it just prohibitively expensive there, so that most family practice/pediatrics/etc can't afford to set up shop and keep it open?

 

[LizzyM]

Surprising to hear since it's such a hot location. Is it just prohibitively expensive there, so that most family practice/pediatrics/etc can't afford to set up shop and keep it open?

Rents aren’t cheap and reimbursement for primary care isn’t great so maybe it doesn’t happen naturally. It would behoove Med centers to hire PCPs on salary and use them to drive traffic to their specialty services. But it has to make sense financially and in America nothing in health care makes much sense.

 

[lil_nae]

Do you think admission would be super competitive? I got rejected from NYU (pre II), so I'm wondering if I should apply.

 

[theKingLT]

Do you think admission would be super competitive? I got rejected from NYU (pre II), so I'm wondering if I should apply.

I imagine yes and no. Yes it's NYU and yes it's free, so everyone and their mother will want a piece; however, like their pre-existing 3 year tracks, they will be looking for a very specific type of applicant with lots of experience in the specialty that they're trying to match into, so if you fit that type with lots of primary care experience and proven commitment to the field, then it may help make up for not having a 520+ mcat, publications, etc. that is now almost expected of standard NYU applicants

 

[965978]

Rents aren’t cheap and reimbursement for primary care isn’t great so maybe it doesn’t happen naturally. It would behoove Med centers to hire PCPs on salary and use them to drive traffic to their specialty services. But it has to make sense financially and in America nothing in health care makes much sense.

Nothing makes sense in America anymore: healthcare, education, politics, military activities, whether or not gluten is the primary cause of obesity (i’m sorry but nothing on this earth will ever get me to start eating “Almond Flour”, whatever that is).

 

[Goro]

Do you think admission would be super competitive?

Oh yeah.

Just a thought to SDNers; don't apply if all your shadowing is with uber-specialists. NYU LI will want people to go into Primary Care, so walk the walk and have ECs geared towards that.

 

[Kerouac2015]

From what I understand, the guaranteed match is in Mineola. Does anyone have any info on the quality of that residency program vs the broader langone system?

 

[lil_nae]

Does anyone know when the school will be listed on AMCAS?

 

[MedPenguin]

First post. It's open on AMCAS. Have at it fam.

 

[lil_nae]

Just submitted the primary! How competitive do you think it will be? They said the admissions process is holistic, but do you think a 510 MCAT score would automatically put me out of the ruling?

 

[theKingLT]

Just submitted the primary! How competitive do you think it will be? They said the admissions process is holistic, but do you think a 510 MCAT score would automatically put me out of the ruling?

It's hard to say given this is their first class so there's no history to compare to. I wouldnt say your chances are great but only way you could know for sure if there's a hard screen is if they release that info

 

[lil_nae]

It's hard to say given this is their first class so there's no history to compare to. I wouldnt say your chances are great but only way you could know for sure if there's a hard screen is if they release that info

Ah, that's fair. I'm wondering how many people are going to apply, and how they'll screen for interviews haha

 

[theKingLT]

Ah, that's fair. I'm wondering how many people are going to apply, and how they'll screen for interviews haha

Sorry if that came off harsh! As nhpboy stated it's all very speculative at this point. Since its NYU and still free tuition I would expect them to attract very competitive applicants and still boast a very high mat average, but at the same time, the primary care based mission combined with the late app cycle could potentially open the door to great candidates who would be screened out for mcat or GPA at the Manhattan school. Sounds like you're already committed to applying anyway, so all the best!

 

[deleted868248]

I just submitted my app for it. I don't have the best stats and don't have the best shot, but the way I see it I only have like $39 + secondary fee to lose and possible free tuition to gain. LOL Good luck everyone..!

 

[lil_nae]

I'm not really expecting anything, but it doesn't hurt to have hope right? lol

 

[efle]

For a primary care based program I'd be shocked if they screened out 510s

 

[907914]

Will students who go through this program still be able to apply for the general match if they decide against primary care after matriculation?

 

[premed0431]

I just submitted my app for it. I don't have the best stats and don't have the best shot, but the way I see it I only have like $39 + secondary fee to lose and possible free tuition to gain. LOL Good luck everyone..!

I paid $0, idk if something was wrong it?