I think it's great that he's offering to answer questions. I just don't think we need 150 different threads about every IM program out there. We already have a thread for this.
) but everyone makes due. For the most part after the first couple months, people tend to equilibrate on their salaries. I think what you're trying to get at is simply this: I am never in want. You will need to budget but it's not impossible and I feel like I still get to do everything I want to do! I'm not depriving myself by living in NYC. I still go to shows, I eat out all the time, and I enjoy my time in NYC with my class. That 61k salary makes living in the city a little easier.
?do you reccomend applying to several NYC programs for aways, or just a couple?
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Thanks for your post! I have a couple questions.
1. If you secure housing for the first year, is it guaranteed for the remainder of your residency?
2. Do you know anything about the culture of the primary care program? I am planning on applying to both categorical and primary care.
3. Have you had any ambulatory time yet? What is your patient load as an intern on outpatient vs inpatient setting?
4. Do you have time to attend lectures/morning report etc? At my school they boast about all of the educational opportunities, but our interns are so swamped that I've never seen them at morning report unless they were presenting.
5. How much scut work do you do? I know at some programs they have people that help out the residents with calling other hospitals, etc. to get records. Does something like this exist for you guys?
Thanks again!
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1. Yup guaranteed for the remainder of residency. Not many people leave.
2. Absolutely! The primary care program director here was one of the founders of SGIM, so the program is actually extremely influential and well established/well published. As such, it tends to attract a lot of very qualified applicants. Each year the PC residents are generally very good (We've had moments where the Tisch ICU was run entirely by PC residents!) and they're honestly indistinguishable from categorical residents. I've heard many people describe it as a very "touchy feely" program which I think is one of its major draws! Lots of support, lots of guidance, and a lot of camaraderie between people in the program. There's also a lot of crossover between the two tracks (every year there are a bunch of people who switch into the PC track and occasionally there are a few who switch into categorical). The administration is extremely supportive of whatever you want to do, whether it be fellowship or straight PC (it's about 50/50: fellowship/general practice every year with the majority of fellowships being General Medicine, GI,Heme Onc). The vast majority of people who come out of the PC track go into academic general medicine, as the pathway tends to prepare you best for this career track.
3. Yup! I've had ambulatory time (4+2 scheduling is AMAZING btw). My clinic is in Bellevue and I love it! (people generally like Bellevue a lot here). They tend to start you off slow, so in the beginning when you're building up your census you tend to see maybe 1-3 patients in the afternoons, but then afterwards as R2s and above, you can see upwards of 5-6 and maybe 10 on a full day. People rarely leave past 5pm though (I've actually never seen it) as your attendings in the clinic tend to go to great lengths to make sure you are out at a reasonable hour (oh also half days every week and 2 day weekends make life so much better!). Inpatient census can be up to 10 for an intern, but I've honestly never seen anyone carry this many as an intern, because you'll usually have sub-interns help pick up some of the slack (med students here are really, really good and very eager to learn). The most I've seen someone carry is maybe around 7-8 and if that ever happens (I've only seen it maybe 1 or 2 times), the majority of your census will be chronic patients that don't need much monitoring and are really only in the hospital awaiting placement.
4. Yes, morning report and lectures are absolutely accessible if you want to go to them. I've never, ever had trouble going to educational events and I think one reason for this is that intern and resident reports are separate, so that when you do go to intern report, you hand over your pager to the resident and they take care of everything for the hour that you're away. I've never seen an intern that was so swamped they couldn't make it to morning report (granted there are some who choose not to go but this is an entirely different issue altogether
5. At Bellevue and Tisch, almost none. The program leadership has gone to GREAT lengths to cut down on the amount of scut interns have to do (as a resident this is especially true at least later on in the year). At Tisch, obviously nurses are great and you don't have to do any scut unless you choose to. At Bellevue, we have dedicated teams now that come frequently throughout the day to do things like blood draws (The only time I've ever done my own blood draw at Bellevue was by choice, when I wanted to practice doing blood draws haha). The VA is different though, because nurses there are not allowed to draw certain labs (like VBGs for instance) so there's no escaping there, but it's honestly not bad at all. I think the amount of scut you do is really more resident dependent than anything else. The residents I've had have all been really good and have shielded me against unnecessary scut, basically volunteering to do things like fax forms and obtain collateral so that I could focus on more important things. This may be largely due to the fact that R2s and above don't need to write progress notes (as attendings are required to write notes on everyone), so they have more time to sit and think about patient management.
-As an aside I just wanted to mention that before coming here I really bought into all the talk about how scut-acular the NYC resident experience was, only to find that it really was not any worse than scut from the private hospital I rotated through as a med student. I think this may partially be due to expectation (my expectations were so low that I was pleasantly surprised when the level of scut was much better than I expected), but I really think this is largely due to administrative changes and improvements. We have a multitude of PDs and administrative staff who are all very, very responsive to resident suggestions and really take quality of life very seriously. I've already heard from people one year above me how much better the interns have it now compared to last year. Granted that's just one person's opinion so take that for what it's worth.
Great!! I am glad to hear it and look forward to seeing you come interview season
Dude...c'mon. The thread's only 1 page long. At least read it before you ask a question that's already been answered.
Hello ShuperNewbie:
First of all, thank you for asking questions regarding NYU Internal Medicine. You are doing a wonderful service.
I am a third osteopathic year medical student and I am rotating at Lutheran. Internal Medicine rotation has been exciting for me and many of the new Attendings from NYU are exemplary in their teaching. As noted above, DO students are allowed to rotate at NYU Langone. I certainly wish to do so because I think I learn so much from NYU Attendings and my previous extensive volunteer history at Bellevue. I also know that the website says osteopathic students may apply on the website and as you said, the door is by no means closed.
I my USMLE step 1 score is in the mid 230s, is this a competitive score for NYU Langone students? I bet everyone in Langone is like a 250-260 +, hahaha.
I know I am early in my third year but I am really finding a calling in Internal Medicine. Before I thought Emergency Medicine was cool because I was at the Bellevue ER, but internal medicine is really making me appreciate the intellectual nature of the field. I also have a long shot, but I do not think it hurts to try. I also know that I will not get NYU anyway. I am realistic that probably get a mid tier, community program.
But thank you very much for making this thread, ShuperNewbie!
. And don't stress too much about step scores. I'm sure everyone on this forum knows someone who matched at NYU with mid 230s 
Hello ShuperNewbie:
First of all, thank you for asking questions regarding NYU Internal Medicine. You are doing a wonderful service.
I am a third osteopathic year medical student and I am rotating at Lutheran. Internal Medicine rotation has been exciting for me and many of the new Attendings from NYU are exemplary in their teaching. As noted above, DO students are allowed to rotate at NYU Langone. I certainly wish to do so because I think I learn so much from NYU Attendings and my previous extensive volunteer history at Bellevue. I also know that the website says osteopathic students may apply on the website and as you said, the door is by no means closed.
I my USMLE step 1 score is in the mid 230s, is this a competitive score for NYU Langone students? I bet everyone in Langone is like a 250-260 +, hahaha.
I know I am early in my third year but I am really finding a calling in Internal Medicine. Before I thought Emergency Medicine was cool because I was at the Bellevue ER, but internal medicine is really making me appreciate the intellectual nature of the field. I also have a long shot, but I do not think it hurts to try. I also know that I will not get NYU anyway. I am realistic that probably get a mid tier, community program.
But thank you very much for making this thread, ShuperNewbie!
so, in essence, will you be a NYU Primary Care track resident graduating with a NYU categorical track diploma while using NYU Lutheran as your primary clinical site?
The NYU Lutheran program will be fully integrated into NYU SOM - this is the last year it will be a separate program on ERAS. They never said it was "free lunch", but since the programs will be merging, then yes, the graduates of the incoming year will be NYU SOM diplomas. Ask the faculty members yourself. I actually interviewed there this past month. The primary care track will be taking over the NYU Lutheran spots.
