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sloh said:
I’d fear for my life in Bakersfield and Fresno
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Lived in Bakersfield for 1 year in the late 1990s, not my cup of tea but I never felt unsafe there.

Friend of mine moved to Fresno because his wife is part of a large extended Sikh family there. He is very happy and is making a killing.
 
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nimbus said:
Lived in Bakersfield for 1 year in the late 1990s, not my cup of tea but I never felt unsafe there.

Friend of mine moved to Fresno because his wife is part of a large extended Sikh family there. He is very happy and is making a killing.
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The problem with the entirety of the central valley is that the weather is absolute ****. You're paying the so-called "paradise tax" to live in California, but the climate is horrendous.

It's boiling hot and dry for months in the summer, eternal drought, and consistently has several of the top 5 worst air quality cities in the nation. Might as well pick a spot in New Mexico or west Texas.

The best thing that can be said about the climate is that you're only a couple hours from the coast, and a couple hours from the mountains.
 
pgg said:
The problem with the entirety of the central valley is that the weather is absolute ****. You're paying the so-called "paradise tax" to live in California, but the climate is horrendous.

It's boiling hot and dry for months in the summer, eternal drought, and consistently has several of the top 5 worst air quality cities in the nation. Might as well pick a spot in New Mexico or west Texas.

The best thing that can be said about the climate is that you're only a couple hours from the coast, and a couple hours from the mountains.
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I mean with airplanes you're always only a couple of hours from the coast or mountains
 
pgg said:
The problem with the entirety of the central valley is that the weather is absolute ****. You're paying the so-called "paradise tax" to live in California, but the climate is horrendous.

It's boiling hot and dry for months in the summer, eternal drought, and consistently has several of the top 5 worst air quality cities in the nation. Might as well pick a spot in New Mexico or west Texas.

The best thing that can be said about the climate is that you're only a couple hours from the coast, and a couple hours from the mountains.
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People from the area like to spin the 3 hr drive to LA or SF as a benefit but that trip gets old real fast to a point that anyone rarely does it. If you’re into lakes and the national park nearby than I can start to see the appeal of living there….sort of
 
Davidfromcali said:
People from the area like to spin the 3 hr drive to LA or SF as a benefit but that trip gets old real fast to a point that anyone rarely does it. If you’re into lakes and the national park nearby than I can start to see the appeal of living there….sort of
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Yup, did my intern year in central cali and the drive back to SoCal was not fun.
 
Twiggidy said:
We all know you have to put in the work to get the salaries we dream about. The math has been done on here enough but assume a unit value of $50 (which most wont complain about) a 40 hr work week and 8 weeks vacation puts you a 350k (425k if the unit value is $60 which great for most pp), and that's not including call stipends if there are any. So a minimum being 500k isn't crazy. I think the moral is we could all use bigger pay to keep up with the current inflated economy where everything is expensive even to people who make good money. Most LA citizens don't make anywhere near 500k/year
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I was trying to figure out which year you are talking about. 2025 Average locums 350/hr. 40 hours/44 weeks gets you 616k.
 
pgg said:
The problem with the entirety of the central valley is that the weather is absolute ****. You're paying the so-called "paradise tax" to live in California, but the climate is horrendous.

It's boiling hot and dry for months in the summer, eternal drought, and consistently has several of the top 5 worst air quality cities in the nation. Might as well pick a spot in New Mexico or west Texas.

The best thing that can be said about the climate is that you're only a couple hours from the coast, and a couple hours from the mountains.
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I was always worried that my car engine would overheat to pass Grapevine during summer.
 
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narcotics999 said:
I was always worried that my car engine would overheat to pass Grapevine during summer.
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Never great when CALTRANS has to actually make a sign to warn drivers…
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Having to pay California income tax is worth about 100k in pretax income.

Effective tax rate at 600k is 10.4%. Marginal is 12.4%. So 500k Texas is same as 600k California from purely a take home standpoint.

Historically I would say there’s no reason to ever live in central California/inland empire, but with house prices near the coast being what they are a lot of anesthesiologists won’t ever be able to buy near the coast anyway. For a lot of people being able to own a home is important.
 
Having to pay California income tax is worth about 100k in pretax income.

Effective tax rate at 600k is 10.4%. Marginal is 12.4%. So 500k Texas is same as 600k California from purely a take home standpoint.

Historically I would say there’s no reason to ever live in central California/inland empire, but with house prices near the coast being what they are a lot of anesthesiologists won’t ever be able to buy near the coast anyway. For a lot of people being able to own a home is important.
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“Ever” is a strong statement there but I would agree
 
sloh said:
“Ever” is a strong statement there but I would agree
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True. I guess I meant historically if you didn’t have family in the area it was a weird choice. Now I 100% get it. And despite the hate the weather is still much better than Midwest, and a bit better than Nevada/Arizona too, if you want a temperate climate.

I really like this site for weather breakdowns: Riverside Climate, Weather By Month, Average Temperature (California, United States) - Weather Spark

weatherspark.com

Phoenix Climate, Weather By Month, Average Temperature (Arizona, United States) - Weather Spark

In Phoenix, the summers are sweltering and dry, the winters are cool, and it is mostly clear year round. Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from 45°F to 107°F and is rarely below 37°F or above 112°F.
weatherspark.com weatherspark.com
 
<(^_^)> said:
True. I guess I meant historically if you didn’t have family in the area it was a weird choice. Now I 100% get it. And despite the hate the weather is still much better than Midwest, and a bit better than Nevada/Arizona too, if you want a temperate climate.

I really like this site for weather breakdowns: Riverside Climate, Weather By Month, Average Temperature (California, United States) - Weather Spark

weatherspark.com

Phoenix Climate, Weather By Month, Average Temperature (Arizona, United States) - Weather Spark

In Phoenix, the summers are sweltering and dry, the winters are cool, and it is mostly clear year round. Over the course of the year, the temperature typically varies from 45°F to 107°F and is rarely below 37°F or above 112°F.
weatherspark.com weatherspark.com
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Inland Empire is better than Central Valley.
 
nimbus said:
Inland Empire is better than Central Valley.
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Inland empire is vast as well and can encompass anything east of Pomona to almost Barstow and the desert down to Yucaipa (which has beautiful mountain spots/apple orchards and pumpkin patches). It also consists of Big Bear, Joshua Tree and Palm Springs and will run down to Temecula at it's southern border. The weather is almost perfect (to me) during all the months except July and August where the highs can be up to 110F; the winter low can reach as low as 30-40F. San Diego, Los Angeles and the OC can be day trips so accessibility to different metro areas is way better than the Central Valley. For non-Californians you just hear about how crime-ridden the "IE" is. But there are beautiful places with very minimal crime if you know where to look.
 
markneil said:
Inland empire is vast as well and can encompass anything east of Pomona to almost Barstow and the desert down to Yucaipa (which has beautiful mountain spots/apple orchards and pumpkin patches). It also consists of Big Bear, Joshua Tree and Palm Springs and will run down to Temecula at it's southern border. The weather is almost perfect (to me) during all the months except July and August where the highs can be up to 110F; the winter low can reach as low as 30-40F. San Diego, Los Angeles and the OC can be day trips so accessibility to different metro areas is way better than the Central Valley. For non-Californians you just hear about how crime-ridden the "IE" is. But there are beautiful places with very minimal crime if you know where to look.
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Chino hills, Diamond Bar, Walnut, Claremont, La Verne are either Inland Empire or Inland Empire adjacent and are great places to live (safe, good schools, low crime).

Too much hate on inland southern California.
 
sloh said:
Marin County is beautiful and quite HCOL. That said, it gives me more retirement vibes. Maybe later
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Then live in SF and commute to the Marin job. Pretty easy commute. A lot of younger/single docs (or folks who prefer city life) do the reverse commutes. And nowadays the bay area good school district suburbs are likely more expensive than SF lol
 
Ezekiel2517 said:
Then live in SF and commute to the Marin job. Pretty easy commute. A lot of younger/single docs (or folks who prefer city life) do the reverse commutes. And nowadays the bay area good school district suburbs are likely more expensive than SF lol
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Wait, you think Marin jobs would be better paying? I would expect the jobs there to be more scarce and pay less.
 
sloh said:
Wait, you think Marin jobs would be better paying? I would expect the jobs there to be more scarce and pay less.
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What I was referring to are the folks who don't like the sleepy suburban life can always live in the city and reverse commute to sites outside the city. In SF, there are different jobs like UCSF, Kaiser, private practice groups, etc so it depends on what you're comparing them to. But, yes, there are jobs outside the city that have higher compensation than those in the city. Some of them a lot more. Obviously there's locums as well. In the bay area (and I'm assuming other regions in CA as well), everyone is competing for anesthesiologists. If you aren't, you're probably gonna run into trouble sooner or later. Hospitals need to keep these OR's running. If the compensation isn't sufficient, it is hard to attract anesthesiologists bc of the cost of housing. Hospitals and groups know this.
 
Ezekiel2517 said:
What I was referring to are the folks who don't like the sleepy suburban life can always live in the city and reverse commute to sites outside the city. In SF, there are different jobs like UCSF, Kaiser, private practice groups, etc so it depends on what you're comparing them to. But, yes, there are jobs outside the city that have higher compensation than those in the city. Some of them a lot more. Obviously there's locums as well. In the bay area (and I'm assuming other regions in CA as well), everyone is competing for anesthesiologists. If you aren't, you're probably gonna run into trouble sooner or later. Hospitals need to keep these OR's running. If the compensation isn't sufficient, it is hard to attract anesthesiologists bc of the cost of housing. Hospitals and groups know this.
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Commuting in and around SF is brutal…. But I do love the city. It’s unfortunate that the tech bros reign supreme there.
 
kidthor said:
Commuting in and around SF is brutal…. But I do love the city. It’s unfortunate that the tech bros reign supreme there.
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I did the SF-to-Marin commute for a couple years and it was no big deal. Depends on where you live in the city, tho. For me, it was maybe 25 min in the am, 40-50 in the afternoon home.
 
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