*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2015-2016*~*~*~*

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For my third most meaningful work/activity, I am trying to decide between being an EMT on the First Aid squad for three years, or paid summer research at a top university. The EMT volunteering ended three years ego. The research was done in my junior year. I just took the MCAT in April and don't know my results. My first meaningful activity involved clinical work experience, and my second meaningful activity was leadership skills in a fraternity.
 
What is the best way to insert information in categories in which I will lump different activities together? For example, I am putting all of my work history in one place. Should I put them just in chronological order and list the contact info as that? Or should it show the most recent contact info because that is the person I will most likely still have some contact with?
 
For my third most meaningful work/activity, I am trying to decide between being an EMT on the First Aid squad for three years, or paid summer research at a top university. The EMT volunteering ended three years ego. The research was done in my junior year. I just took the MCAT in April and don't know my results. My first meaningful activity involved clinical work experience, and my second meaningful activity was leadership skills in a fraternity.
If you're thinking to be strategic, you might decide based on whether the MCAT score and GPAs make you a good candidate for top research schools, whether you want to emphasize service to others, or if you want to look more appealing to schools that emphasize primary care, as examples. Or you could pick the one that had more impact on your thinking. Or on which needs more space to explain fully.

Another point to be made is that you aren't required to have more than one MM, if you have little more to say about either.
 
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What is the best way to insert information in categories in which I will lump different activities together? For example, I am putting all of my work history in one place. Should I put them just in chronological order and list the contact info as that? Or should it show the most recent contact info because that is the person I will most likely still have some contact with?
I'd suggest listing them in reverse chronological order, with the most recent first, so the header info applies to it. Contact info for others goes with the narrative description.
 
I'd suggest listing them in reverse chronological order, with the most recent first, so the header info applies to it. Contact info for others goes with the narrative description.

Great and should the title correspond to the job that I include the job that I listed the contact info for? Or should I title it Work experience and then just list like you said with dates and contact info?
 
how is work/activities shown to med schools.

I have it entered in like this

but shown like this
 

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Now that I basically have my work/activities section completed, I have a final dilemma on deciding what to include. My 15 activities are jam-packed and I've got 2 options. I apologize that this is a similar question to what I had earlier but more specific now that I know exactly how i want everything else set up.

1. Have a separate space for a research project and its accompanying publication. Due to this, I am not able to include my non-clinical volunteering (Habitat for humanity and another site - only about 35-40 hrs total). However, I am able to better explain the research and why it had a significant impact on my development because the citation doesn't take up any of the character count (I did mark the research project as MM).
2. Take some of the description of the research out and combine the project and publication activities. This would free up a slot for the non-clinical volunteering. If it matters, this would be my only non-clinical volunteering entry on my app (although there is non-medical volunteering in one of my other entries and i do have significant volunteering in general in my app).

So what do you think is the best option? Thank you in advance for your consideration.
 
@Catalystik Thanks for your time and effort in answering questions on this thread. I have asked this before but I need another opinion. I worked as a Health Navigator at a clinic helping uninsured patients obtain Medicaid or Marketplace Insurance that will cover their treatments. I communicate directly with the patient to help them apply for health coverage that will meet their needs. Is this considered clinical? AACOMAS defines clinical experience as "Both paid and unpaid work in the health or a health-related field where you are either directly or indirectly responsible for a patient’s care."
 
Now that I basically have my work/activities section completed, I have a final dilemma on deciding what to include. My 15 activities are jam-packed and I've got 2 options. I apologize that this is a similar question to what I had earlier but more specific now that I know exactly how i want everything else set up.

1. Have a separate space for a research project and its accompanying publication. Due to this, I am not able to include my non-clinical volunteering (Habitat for humanity and another site - only about 35-40 hrs total). However, I am able to better explain the research and why it had a significant impact on my development because the citation doesn't take up any of the character count (I did mark the research project as MM).
2. Take some of the description of the research out and combine the project and publication activities. This would free up a slot for the non-clinical volunteering. If it matters, this would be my only non-clinical volunteering entry on my app (although there is non-medical volunteering in one of my other entries and i do have significant volunteering in general in my app).

So what do you think is the best option?
For general strategic considerations, I'd pick #2.
 
@Catalystik Thanks for your time and effort in answering questions on this thread. I have asked this before but I need another opinion. I worked as a Health Navigator at a clinic helping uninsured patients obtain Medicaid or Marketplace Insurance that will cover their treatments. I communicate directly with the patient to help them apply for health coverage that will meet their needs. Is this considered clinical? AACOMAS defines clinical experience as "Both paid and unpaid work in the health or a health-related field where you are either directly or indirectly responsible for a patient’s care."
I have no direct experience with the AACOMAS application and its unwritten expectations for each activity designation. For AMCAS, if these people are sick or injured at the time you speak with them and being currently cared for in the clinic for those problems, then what you describe is clinical experience.
 
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Hi I had a quick question about listing hours for activities that are ongoing. For a particular activity I have thus far completed about 60 hours. However, I intend to continue this activity until at least May of 2016 and at that point I will have completed an additional 60 hours. Do I list 120 hours for the activity (anticipating the future hours I will devote) or do I only list the 60 I have already completed? Thanks!
 
I had a quick question about listing hours for activities that are ongoing. For a particular activity I have thus far completed about 60 hours. However, I intend to continue this activity until at least May of 2016 and at that point I will have completed an additional 60 hours. Do I list 120 hours for the activity (anticipating the future hours I will devote) or do I only list the 60 I have already completed?
If you want to include the hours of a future activity that you are already engaged in (but keeping in mind that you won't be judged by future plans that could fall through) you can consider these options:

1) Use the Repeated feature to separate the Completed vs Future hours. This works if May 2015 is both your End Date for the Completed Hours and your Start Date for the future hours (you won't be permitted to enter and save a future start date that hasn't happened yet). Put the appropriate total in each Total Hours box. If you are graduating May 2016, that is a reasonable end date to enter if you are sure you will stay involved with the activity for another year. Include a conservative, in-good-faith guess on future hours for the second Total Hours box.

2) Or, only list the Completed Hours in the Total Hours box using the appropriate Start and End Dates, then in the narrative box state that you plan to continue this activity from Sept 2015-May 2016 with a probable additional 60 (or whatever) hours. This works best if you will be taking the summer off from the activity.

3) Or, do the same as in #2, but don't state anticipated Future hours, especially if there is any possibility they might not be completed. Just make a statement that you intend to continue with the activity for another year.
 
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If you want to include the hours of a future activity that you are already engaged in (but keeping in mind that you won't be judged by future plans that could fall through) you can consider these options:

1) Use the Repeated feature to separate the Completed vs Future hours. This works if May 2015 is both your End Date for the Completed Hours and your Start Date for the future hours (you won't be permitted to enter and save a future start date that hasn't happened yet). Put the appropriate total in each Total Hours box. If you are graduating May 2016, that is a reasonable end date to enter if you are sure you will stay involved with the activity for another year. Include a conservative, in-good-faith guess on future hours for the second Total Hours box.

2) Or, only list the Completed Hours in the Total Hours box using the appropriate Start and End Dates, then in the narrative box state that you plan to continue this activity from Sept 2015-May 2016 with a probable additional 60 (or whatever) hours. This works best if you will be taking the summer off from the activity.

3) Or, do the same as in #2, but don't state anticipated Future hours, especially if there is any possibility they might not be completed. Just make a statement that you intend to continue with the activity for another year.
@Catalystik Thanks for this speedy response! This is really helpful 🙂
 
In my PS I talk about an unexpected shadowing experience that I contribute as my first exposure to medicine and what initially lead me to exploring the field and eventually deciding it was for me.

The shadowing experience was in the ICU with a nurse, although I had some interaction with doctors. It was only for about 5 hours and for only 1 day. Do you believe it would be weird to talk about it in my PS but not include it on my shadowing hours list in the work/activity section? I figure it isn't too impressive of a shadowing experience on paper, however, it had a huge impact on me.

So, include or not include on the work/activity section?

Thanks for your time!
 
1. I have a question concerning volunteering. I was volunteering during summer at one of the NY hospitals under a PI. The PI's focus is on Lupus and so during my time there I was both creating databases as well as developing surveys to allow for accurate patient self assessment. Although all this work was done without patient contact, while I was at this volunteering position, I also occasionally shadowed the PI and sometimes went through the surveys with patients directly. Other than this experience I have volunteer experience, but all of it is clinical. Would I be able to classify part of this experience as non medical/clinical. And if I can't, is it a problem that all my volunteer experience is medical/ clinical

My volunteer experience:
150 hours for the experience in question.
130 hours at hospital through graduation (currently patient transport, switching departments in fall)
Volunteering at care center/nursing home this summer (~60 hours)

2. I have been doing extensive research in chemistry (revolving around public health) for a single professor since the beginning of my second semester in my freshman year. For my research, in the summer after my freshman year, my research group was awarded a grant to go to China for a month to meet with collaborators, attend a conference, and experience the environment. Should I write about this in my research entry or should I talk about this separately in a conferences attended section? Does this deserve its own entry?

3. This past year, I completed a semester-long project for my Biochemisty 2 class on the biochemical mechanisms of ALS. My partner and I created a webpage (which is now public) and presented our project to the class. This project took well over 50 hours. Can I include this as an entry under posters/presentations? If I do, should I include the site URL to reference it?

4. I have been a paid organic chemistry tutor for the past two semesters at my school. I plan on returning for next year as well. This has been a good experience for me in developing my teaching skills/leadership. However, due to the system at my school, unless I am a head tutor, which I am not, I rarely get tutoring sessions booked (hard to explain) so I have very few hours logged. Is it worth including? I am listed as an employee to the Academic Resource Center at my school.
 
In my PS I talk about an unexpected shadowing experience that I contribute as my first exposure to medicine and what initially lead me to exploring the field and eventually deciding it was for me.

The shadowing experience was in the ICU with a nurse, although I had some interaction with doctors. It was only for about 5 hours and for only 1 day. Do you believe it would be weird to talk about it in my PS but not include it on my shadowing hours list in the work/activity section? I figure it isn't too impressive of a shadowing experience on paper, however, it had a huge impact on me.

So, include or not include on the work/activity section?
I think you're good to go, keeping it in the PS only.
 
1. I have a question concerning volunteering. I was volunteering during summer at one of the NY hospitals under a PI. The PI's focus is on Lupus and so during my time there I was both creating databases as well as developing surveys to allow for accurate patient self assessment. Although all this work was done without patient contact, while I was at this volunteering position, I also occasionally shadowed the PI and sometimes went through the surveys with patients directly. Other than this experience I have volunteer experience, but all of it is clinical. Would I be able to classify part of this experience as non medical/clinical. And if I can't, is it a problem that all my volunteer experience is medical/ clinical

My volunteer experience:
150 hours for the experience in question.
130 hours at hospital through graduation (currently patient transport, switching departments in fall)
Volunteering at care center/nursing home this summer (~60 hours)

2. I have been doing extensive research in chemistry (revolving around public health) for a single professor since the beginning of my second semester in my freshman year. For my research, in the summer after my freshman year, my research group was awarded a grant to go to China for a month to meet with collaborators, attend a conference, and experience the environment. Should I write about this in my research entry or should I talk about this separately in a conferences attended section? Does this deserve its own entry?

3. This past year, I completed a semester-long project for my Biochemisty 2 class on the biochemical mechanisms of ALS. My partner and I created a webpage (which is now public) and presented our project to the class. This project took well over 50 hours. Can I include this as an entry under posters/presentations? If I do, should I include the site URL to reference it?

4. I have been a paid organic chemistry tutor for the past two semesters at my school. I plan on returning for next year as well. This has been a good experience for me in developing my teaching skills/leadership. However, due to the system at my school, unless I am a head tutor, which I am not, I rarely get tutoring sessions booked (hard to explain) so I have very few hours logged. Is it worth including? I am listed as an employee to the Academic Resource Center at my school.
1) I think it's fine to list all of it as a nonmedical volunteer position, if that's where you feel you're lacking, though you may split out the shadowing and list that separately with your other Shadowing experiences (taking care not to double count the hours). But your description of your other volunteering makes me think you won't actually have completed very many clinical volunteer hours by the time you submit, which concerns me. Frankly, future hours predications are not much considered when evaluating an applicant. See post #318 above.

2) I would not write about this in the Research entry. Nor would I use Conferences Attended, particularly if you were solely an attendee. Instead, why not discuss the experience of having traveled to China, if you feel it's space-worthy, and include all these elements under the designation "Other."

3) No. I would use Teaching as the category. It's fine to include the URL. (Presentations to a campus community are generally best left with the description of the Research that's related. And I'm assuming you did not perform original hypothesis-based bench research, but rather reviewed the literature on others' work).

4) Probably not, if your definition of "very few hours" matches mine.
 
@Catalystik My application is research heavy. I have about 3000 hours as of now and am considering doing honors thesis next year. I also have a summer research experience of 180 hours. I'm a second author on the publication from the summer research experience, but unfortunately it won't be published in time. I have extensive shadowing experience. I also participate in my school's club sport team which is very time consuming.
 
@Catalystik My application is research heavy. I have about 3000 hours as of now and am considering doing honors thesis next year. I also have a summer research experience of 180 hours. I'm a second author on the publication from the summer research experience, but unfortunately it won't be published in time. I have extensive shadowing experience. I also participate in my school's club sport team which is very time consuming.
After reviewing your stats elsewhere, I'm wondering if you plan to apply MD/PhD?
 
I wasn't planning on it. But I was planning on applying to research heavy schools. Do you think my low clinical experience hours will prevent my getting in? Is MD/ PhD a better option for me? I thought those programs are even more compatative.
 
150 hours of the summer experience I asked about before.
64 hours hospital volunteering
135 hours of shadowing. Different specialty. Predominately neurosurgery. Watched a lot of surgeries. Was actually in operating room being mentored by the dr performing the surgery.
12 hours of nursing home
 
150 hours of the summer experience I asked about before.
64 hours hospital volunteering
135 hours of shadowing. Different specialty. Predominately neurosurgery. Watched a lot of surgeries. Was actually in operating room being mentored by the dr performing the surgery.
12 hours of nursing home
A WAMC thread would be a good place to discuss this further.
 
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Would having 2 most meaningful experiences as oppose to 3 hurt me?? It is not that the other experiences did not matter but I dont feel I really need all the extra space to talk about them, plus I already mentioned some of them in my PS and I don't want to repeat myself...
 
@Catalystik

I am hoping to get your thoughts on fraternities.

I am in a social fraternity (top 10 nationally). I certainly developed my leadership experiences both within the local chapter and the national level.
But, I fear the negative connotations that may come with the fraternity. Is it highly frowned upon?
An important note, other chapters of my fraternity have been in the news for the wrong reasons.
 
@CatalystikI am hoping to get your thoughts on fraternities.

I am in a social fraternity (top 10 nationally). I certainly developed my leadership experiences both within the local chapter and the national level.
But, I fear the negative connotations that may come with the fraternity. Is it highly frowned upon? An important note, other chapters of my fraternity have been in the news for the wrong reasons.
Adcomms will vary in their opinions just as they'll vary in whether they once had a Greek affiliation themselves. Sadly, it's not impossible that you'd be tarred with someone else's brush. Your best bet is to emphasize the volunteer/philanthropic work and the leadership roles that you've taken on due to being a frat member (particularly if you led initiatives to reverse negative community opinion). Maybe avoid mentioning the "social" aspects.
 
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I have a quick question in regard to strategy (most meaningful, in particular):

I can honestly say that my research experience has been one of my most meaningful activities. However, my stats just don't make me competitive for schools that have a research focus. I am concerned that having research as a most meaningful activity would make me less attractive for schools with primary care/rural missions (schools I'll likely have a better shot at). What would you suggest I do?

Thanks!
 
I have a quick question in regard to strategy (most meaningful, in particular):

I can honestly say that my research experience has been one of my most meaningful activities. However, my stats just don't make me competitive for schools that have a research focus. I am concerned that having research as a most meaningful activity would make me less attractive for schools with primary care/rural missions (schools I'll likely have a better shot at). What would you suggest I do?
Generally, if one doesn't feel they have a chance at research-focused schools, they can make a strategic choice to emphasize other components of the application that will make them more appealing to schools with a different focus. Or they can be honest and leave research as MM.
 
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Adcomms will vary in their opinions just as they'll vary in whether they once had a Greek affiliation themselves. Sadly, it's not impossible that you'd be tarred with someone else's brush. Your best bet is to emphasize the volunteer/philanthropic work and the leadership roles that you've taken on due to being a frat member (particularly if you led initiatives to reverse negative community opinion). Maybe avoid mentioning the "social" aspects.

Is avoiding use of the fraternity's name at all possible?
 
If one of my activities (which is my most meaningful) has attributes of leadership, charity/ volunteering, and awards, should I lump all of these aspects into one entry, call it leadership and in the description talk about the charity, volunteering, and awards? Or should I have one entry, label it leadership, only talk about this aspect of it. And then in other entries that I have with charities and awards put a line in there to mention my involvement in those?
 
If one of my activities (which is my most meaningful) has attributes of leadership, charity/ volunteering, and awards, should I lump all of these aspects into one entry, call it leadership and in the description talk about the charity, volunteering, and awards? Or should I have one entry, label it leadership, only talk about this aspect of it. And then in other entries that I have with charities and awards put a line in there to mention my involvement in those?
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Divide out the leadership (listing only the span of Leadership dates), naming it something all-encompassing like Fraternity Leadership Roles.

Put any general volunteering under Volunteer (with its own date span, maybe naming it Short-Term Community Service), taking care not to double count the hours. Any non-Frat-related volunteering could go in that same space if you like.

Any affiliated awards can be mentioned with the related activity to keep it in better context.
 
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You aren't giving me much to go on here. I'd either list it as Community Service/Volunteer, refer to the leadership title in the name of the activity, discuss the specific dates and role for the subcomponents in the narrative, and put the award at the end of the narrative. Or alternatively, divide out the leadership (listing only the Leadership dates) and put the rest a) under Volunteer (with its own date span), taking care not to double count the hours, and using two spaces. or b) discussing the volunteer activity that led to the leadership role in the Leadership narrative, mentioning the separate date span and extra hours there (but taking the risk those hours might be overlooked).

Thanks! Sorry, I was being vague. I held 3 executive board positions for my fraternity (vice pres, treasurer, and philanthropy chair). I wanted to talk about how I helped move the organization in the right direction both financially and in terms of our relationships with other organizations (non-greek) on campus, as well as charity events I helped to set up and run, including fundraisers for organizations like Children's Miracle Network. I didn't know if it would be better to talk about all of this in one entry, or split it up.

Sorry for the vagueness, but I appreciate your help!
 
I held 3 executive board positions for my fraternity (vice pres, treasurer, and philanthropy chair). I wanted to talk about how I helped move the organization in the right direction both financially and in terms of our relationships with other organizations (non-greek) on campus, as well as charity events I helped to set up and run, including fundraisers for organizations like Children's Miracle Network. I didn't know if it would be better to talk about all of this in one entry, or split it up.
I edited my first response to better reflect this more detailed information.
 
Catalystik, what am I supposed to do if I just found out that an org will verify that I volunteered and the length of time but not specific hours?
 
Who do I put down as a contact person for my academic awards? Should it be my advisor or should I I just give a central phone number for my undergrad?
 
Hey Catalystik, I was wondering who I should put down as a contact for my Fraternity activity? Should I put down the office that oversaw club registration or someone in my Fraternity who can verify that I held leadership positions? The club registration would be a more objective person but they would just verify that I was actually in the Fraternity. What do you suggest?
A current person holding an officership at the frat should be able to attest to your current and past involvement, especially if you alert them ahead of time that they might get a contact.
 
Thank you! What about for a college sports club? I am a non-trad so my coach during my time there is no longer at the university. I am still in contact with my past teammates but they have already graduated. Is it ok if I put them down as a contact or who do you suggest?
Using one of them (if warned ahead of time), or secondarily yourself, would be acceptable.
 
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So I've donated a decent amount of money anonymously to a large charitable organization over the past several years, but don't know if I should list this. I have combined this with several other fundraisers I've led, but I didn't want any doubts to be raised since there isn't any record. Any insight would be appreciated, thank you.
 
I will start ER Scribing in June, but I will be training and then taking a final test on June 13 which will determine if I am competent enough to continue as a scribe. Should I delay my application until I know forsure that I will be a scribe? I don't have any clinical experience except for ER volunteering, which I started this month.
 
I served on a selection committee for a full time year long stem cell research internship. I did this alongside faculty etc. I was wondering what the best "experience type" this would classify as. I am thinking either "Leadership" or "other". What do you think?

Thanks for your help and time.
 
I served on a selection committee for a full time year long stem cell research internship. I did this alongside faculty etc. I was wondering what the best "experience type" this would classify as. I am thinking either "Leadership" or "other". What do you think?

Thanks for your help and time.
 
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