@Catalystik Do you have any advice for listing total hours for "on-call" work/volunteer activities, where it would be too difficult to separate the hours of the shift that were "active" versus still being officially on-call?
For what percent of your paid hours do you care for the injured?Hello all, I have a question about clinical experiences that I want to hear your thoughts on. Sorry if this topic has been raised before.
I have been working as a skate patrol for 10 years now. For those who are unfamiliar, as a skate patrol, I maintain the safety of patrons who skate in the arena during public skate sessions; responding to emergencies, performing first-aid when needed (i.e. broken bones, dislocations, cuts, bleeds etc) and calling EMS when needed, responding to non-medical concerns from patrons etc. Currently, I have my skate patrol experience noted as clinical experience, as while I'm not in a hospital, I'm still delivering medical assistance to patrons (and thus, as LizzyM call it, I'm close enough to smell them ).
I have clinical experience where I am a volunteer in hospital, but as a non-traditional applicant, that experience was fairly long ago. I don't want to sell myself short. But at the same time, I don't want to give the Admissions Committee the impression that I'm lying on my application.
Thank you in advance for your opinions and feedback!
My Suggestions:@Catalystik Do you have any advice for listing total hours for "on-call" work/volunteer activities, where it would be too difficult to separate the hours of the shift that were "active" versus still being officially on-call?
What if the activity is pay-per-call? I.e. I am on-call 24 hours at my station but only get paid for the calls going out during that time; however, I often do other activities (paperwork, clean, etc.) during the other hours in which I don't get paid. Could I list the overall on-call hours in the Total and then specify in the narrative how many were actually paid along with other duties?My Suggestions:
If the activity is paid, you can list all your hours of employment in the header, but then estimate the percent time you were actively involved in the activity and state that in the narrative.
If it is volunteer, figure the likely hours of active involvement (your good-faith, best estimate is fine) and list that number in the Total Hours space. In the narrative you can include as part of the description the hours per week or month you were on call, stating that "those hours are in addition to the above."
A formal citation isn't necessary. You can shorten it as you see fit. You might just say Fifth-author or Co-author: [rest of the citation]. Or [FirstAuthor], . . . Savannah123 (fifth author) [rest of the citation]. Or you could include in the name of the space Co-Authored Accepted Manuscripts and not include names for any of the citations in the space. Or whatever. As long as there's enough information for an interested adcomm to find the article, you're fine.
Keep in mind that your Contact would probably be able to attest to your paid hours only. So I suggest that you list the paid hours in the Total Hours space (explaining that those are active hours only, when you go out on a call), then in the narrative further explain the rest of the breakdown (other duties vs sleep vs personal care, shopping, etc) with a good faith estimate of the the other productive time that benefits your workplace in the narrative, with the comment that "these hours are in addition to the above." Try to be as transparent as possible in describing your duties.What if the activity is pay-per-call? I.e. I am on-call 24 hours at my station but only get paid for the calls going out during that time; however, I often do other activities (paperwork, clean, etc.) during the other hours in which I don't get paid. Could I list the overall on-call hours in the Total and then specify in the narrative how many were actually paid along with other duties?
Hello @Catalystik , I'd say about 50% of my paid hours are caring for the injured. Would you advise that I indicate the % hours where I spend caring for the injured, but keep it as clinical experience?For what percent of your paid hours do you care for the injured?
Wow, you get a lot of injuries! If that much of your paid hours are spent applying first aid for injuries, then you can legitimately call it Clinical. Be sure to include the 50% figure in the narrative description, along with other aspects of your role.I'd say about 50% of my paid hours are caring for the injured. Would you advise that I indicate the % hours where I spend caring for the injured, but keep it as clinical experience?
You are right that there is no precedent for what might be considered "clinical" during a pandemic, when keeping students safe is a high priority. I feel/hope that adcomms will be more relaxed in their expectations. Adcomms who previously looked on crisis hotlines and distance scribing as clinical will certainly consider this to be clinical enough, too.Would contact tracing count as clinical experience? I know that there is no 'smelling' of patients through the phone, but 90% of the work I do does entail communication with COVID+ patients, and their close contacts. There's HIPAA training, but I don't have much to base off and I suppose there isn't much precedent for contact tracing experience and pre-meds. I am gonna include it in my application regardless, but I'm stuck on what to list it as. I am lacking clinical hours (besides shadowing) largely due to COVID so I might be reaching hard to try and fill that gap.
Have you considered taking another gap year and delaying your application until Summer 2021?Thank you. I know I have to get meaningful in-person clinical experience, and I have been kicking myself for not having done much of substance prior. I was scheduled to start volunteering at a hospice center in my area the week that LTC facilities were closed off due to COVID, and I have that more or less 'on hold' for once things open back up. I had initially planned to do this throughout my gap year, and had figured that the March to May window would have given me enough experience to describe it, while being able to project my hours through August 2021, but alas.
Thanks a lot for your feedback @Catalystik ! Yeah, we get a fair amount of injuries, but its also a fantastic learning opportunity for me as a pre-med. I also mentioned this as one of my 3 most meaningful experiences to exemplify it.Wow, you get a lot of injuries! If that much of your paid hours are spent applying first aid for injuries, then you can legitimately call it Clinical. Be sure to include the 50% figure in the narrative description, along with other aspects of your role.
Be aware that this designation might raise some eyebrows (since they are patrons and not patients), but I agree with you that you have little choice considering your other clinical experience was awhile ago.
Hi,
Is it appropriate to include about wanting to travel to a 3rd world country (every few years) to provide basic medical care to those poor communities (once a physician)? It would be backed up by my experience of shadowing a physician in this country on and off for many years and that this physician would be my contact to carry out my desire to provide the care.
I'm debating if its appropriate because adcoms might just think to themselves that I should instead get educated in that country itself..?
Then you'll have plenty of space to tell a tale. Do you have any certifications related to these duties?Thanks a lot for your feedback @Catalystik ! Yeah, we get a fair amount of injuries, but its also a fantastic learning opportunity for me as a pre-med. I also mentioned this as one of my 3 most meaningful experiences to exemplify it.
How long would you stay in that country for each visit? If it would be a prolonged period, how would you pay off your student loans with no income for that period?Is it appropriate to include about wanting to travel to a 3rd world country (every few years) to provide basic medical care to those poor communities (once a physician)? It would be backed up by my experience of shadowing a physician in this country on and off for many years and that this physician would be my contact to carry out my desire to provide the care.
I'm debating if its appropriate because adcoms might just think to themselves that I should instead get educated in that country itself..?
There are modifying social factors that will get you more leniency this upcoming season, but of a nature never before experienced by any of us. If this were not the case, I would encourage you to get all your ducks in a row before applying. But as things are, I cannot be discouraging. (Or wildly encouraging, either, for that matter.)I have not really considered doing a second gap year because I have just finished my MPH, and a second gap year would put me four years removed from undergrad (shoddy reasoning at best). I know that one year is ultimately negligible in say, 20 years from now, but I have a handful of extenuating factors around family/personal life that make me feel like I would rather apply for 2021 rather than 2022. But I am interested to know if you think applying for 2021 is not in my best interest.
Would this be something I would have to explain in this section? I would like to go periodically every few years for 1-2 months.How long would you stay in that country for each visit? If it would be a prolonged period, how would you pay off your student loans with no income for that period?
Gotcha, but do you think it would be appropriate or inappropriate to include at all? Because adcoms may think if I am interested in spending some time in another country, then I should just go to that country and study medicine?Might be in the wrong section if you include in Work and Activities descriptions. If you are citing this experience as a most meaningful experience, perhaps add it in there. But, I would definitely add it into your personal statement (assuming you are talking about this in there).
My point is that you really need to think through this plan in detail and have answers in case it comes up at interviews. If you haven't done that, it might be better not to mention it at all.Would this be something I would have to explain in this section? I would like to go periodically every few years for 1-2 months.
Maybe I will save it for secondaries?
Ahh, I see. I have definitely not thought about this plan in detail. Thank you.My point is that you really need to think through this plan in detail and have answers in case it comes up at interviews. If you haven't done that, it might be better not to mention it at all.
That said, I know docs who have made this plan work for them, so it's not an impossibility.
I need more information:Basically, I did a research oral presentation at a conference with a friend. The presentation was at a different school. We submitted an abstract, got it approved, and presented it. Before presenting it, we spent an entire semester working on the research for about 50 hours.
So on the application:
1) Would this be under the "Presentation/Posters"?
2) What do I put for the hours, 51 (50 hours of research + 1 hour presentation)?
3) And would it be ok in the description to talk about the process of our research?
You have a choice, depending on how many spaces remain at your disposal, how much you have to say, and how important having a dedicated Leadership-Not Listed Elsewhere space would be to your application.If some of my activities are about a position I had (ie. president), should the dates I provide be for just my tenure as that position, or should they cover my involvement with the organization from the beginning? For example, if I was in a club in college for all 4 years, but was only president for senior year, should I date the activity entitled "President of Club X" for just the year or for all 4 years?
I suggest the two Research Symposium posters be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry, and that you group the other three posters' citations in their own Presentations/Posters space.Hi, I have a few questions on how to list my research experience. I conducted clinical research on surgical procedures performed at an outpatient clinic, and I presented five unique posters about my research. Two of the posters where presented at my school's research symposium, two were presented at a national conference I attended, and the last one was presented at a separate national conference. I was planning on talking about my research in more general terms as a most meaningful activity entry. But I am confused on how to separate each of these posters into separate entries, given that some were presented at the same conference. I would greatly appreciate feedback on this.
I need more information:
Was this original, hypothesis-driven research that used the scientific method or more of a literature review and report of the work of others?
1) Did it take place at a regional or national conference? Or was the venue a nearby campus Research Day Symposium, perhaps at your friend's campus. Was the project part of a class requirement?
2) Usually a Posters/Presentation Total Hours would list just the hours of the presentation or standing next to the poster explaining it, so, 1 hour.
3) If this is original research, you should have a Research space dedicated to discussing the project, the process, and your role. That is where you'd enter the 50 hours. If it was more of a project, you'd use an Extracurricular or Other tag for the same purpose.
1) Then you can enter it under a Posters/Presentations tag, as it likely underwent a competitive process to be selected by the abstract reviewers for inclusion at the conference.1) It was a regional conference for all colleges from Southern California. My partner and I have no association with the college campus the conference took place at. It was not part of a class requirement. I did it purely for the sake of doing a presentation at a conference.
2) This was before I was interested in medicine, so the research we did was within the Psychology category. We came up with the research idea and abstract. Does it still count as original research if the actual research wasn't done in a lab. For example, most of our data came from setting up survey stations across our city.
3) So if I do end up using a "Research" space for this to talk about the project and what we did. Would I also need to create a separate one as "Poster/Presentation" for the actual day of the presentation? What would go in the description for this if I have already explained the research in the "Research" space.
It is perfectly fine for new, impactful experiences to supercede the old.For a re-application, how does it look if we change our most meaningful activities? The previous experiences that were "most meaningful" are still in the Work/activities section, but I've had a few new experiences that I might be able to express a stronger message with through a "most meaningful" designation. Thanks in advance!
I suggest the two Research Symposium posters be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry, and that you group the other three posters' citations in their own Presentations/Posters space.
1) Sorry to be imprecise. I meant to have just one Posters/Presentations slot with all three posters cited in the same narrative space.Thank you very much for your response. I still have a few clarification questions about this if you don't mind.
1) When you say to group the 3 posters into their own poster space, do you mean create 1 work/activities entry where I input all three citations, or create 3 separate entries?
2) Also, I was wondering if I should describe the research I conducted in more detail for these three posters in the descriptions, rather than just listing citations. I did not have the chance to do this in my original research entry, since I conducted a few different projects at this outpatient clinic, and the character limit forced me to write in broader terms.
I also have two more research related experiences I conducted at this outpatient clinic which I'm trying to categorize. I created a provisional patent for a medical device, which I mentioned briefly in my main research entry.
3) I was wondering if I should also create a separate entry for this, and if so, what category to put it under.
4) My second experience is writing up a case report for a unique procedure. I did not mention this at all in my research entry, since we are in the process of submitting it to journals. I believe someone asked a similar question previously, and you advised them to create a separate entry under the category of teaching or other. I was wondering if this holds true in my case?
1) Then you can enter it under a Posters/Presentations tag, as it likely underwent a competitive process to be selected by the abstract reviewers for inclusion at the conference.
2) It is original research if you had a hypothesis, methods, data collection & analysis, and a conclusion, regardless of whether it took place in a lab, or not.
3) Ideally, you would use two spaces. In the Posters/Presentations space you would just enter the citation for the abstract. If you simply do not have the space, then use a Research tag and cite the presentation at the end.
1) You can't call the accepted abstract a publication, but the project that led to it could still be called "Research" if you followed the scientific method to get the data which you reported.So correct me if I have misunderstood. 1) Since all we wrote out was an abstract and not a full research paper, I can't consider it research, right?
To my understanding, our abstract was not published even though we were accepted by the conference.
2) If I do end up using one space as "poster/presentations", would it still be ok to include the total 51 hours?
It's fine to use the abbreviation "GPA."It is safe to use "GPA" as an abbreviation in describing awards, right? Or is it preferred to spell out "Grade-Point Average".
Yes.i honestly have no idea how to calculate the hours for my black belt. is it ok if i just put 999 hours? i'm listing it as an award/recognition and had been practicing for 7 years up to the black belt
1) Each position deserves its own space, and I would think that some of the take-home points might differ considering that one practice provided longitudinal care and the other emergent care. But if you are short on space and make your MM commentary cover both experiences, then grouping them is fine. Be sure to include the subdates and subtotaled hours in the narrative, along with a Contact for the second-listed job (the first being put into the header for the space).Question about how to fill out the activity section for AMCAS. I know there is no right or wrong way but I just wanted some opinions.
1) I worked as a medical scribe in a primary care setting from 2015-17. I had some other jobs/experiences in between. Now I am a scribe in the ER from 2019-Present. Should I combine these activities or should I list them separately? It is one of my most meaningful activities. I was just thinking it would be redundant to list them separately since it's basically the same job except for different settings.
2) Since I'm assuming everyone knows what scribes do I was going to leave out what my job description was. I was thinking of combining them and for the description would be focusing on what I learned from both experiences from an emergent standpoint and primary care too.
All of the TA component can go under Teaching and the distinct leadership role where you managed other TAs can go under Leadership. Each entry should have its unique dates and total hours without counting any hours twice.I served as a TA for an anatomy course while I was in undergrad and after a few quarters, I became a Lead TA where I help other TAs learn about the material we will be presenting and different teaching techniques. In this position, I still served as a TA for students, I just took on additional leadership roles. Can I list this under Leadership category and have my prior TA experience under the teaching category?
Yes. Just take care that there is a paragraph break after the first 700 characters, or your narrative will be cut off. Check from the PRINT command on the Main Menu of the application that it looks like it should.I cannot fit all of my research experience in the 700 characters space. Can I continue explaining it in the MM space for around 250 characters and then go into why research is one of my MM activities? thanks!
Thank you for numbering your questions.Hello! I am a non-trad career changer applying this cycle.
1) I completed 1700 service hours in AmeriCorps. It looks like applicants generally classify AmeriCorps as nonclinical volunteering. However, I was specifically in a program called the Community HealthCorps where I was based out of a community health center and primarily served as an application and enrollment counselor signing patients up for ACA health exchange plans, medicaid, and SNAP benefits (we also did community enrollment events that were outside of the health center, so I was worked with a mix of "patients" and "nonpatients"). Do you think this would be appropriate to list as clinical volunteering?
2a) I was an anthropology major in undergrad. During that time, I had several experiences conducting anthropological research (mostly qualitative/mixed methods, though one project involved some more quantitative stuff like GIS mapping).... is it appropriate to put these into a combined Research category? Or should I designate them under a different label, such as "Other"?
2b) If I did go with a combined UG research category for these experiences, would it be alright to include my senior honors thesis in anthropology? My research was largely qualitative, but it was IRB approved. I certainly don't want to misrepresent my experiences as research if they do not fall within the bounds of what is considered "Research/Lab" by normal AMCAS standards. However, I do want to highlight my background in social science research and don't want that to completely fall through the cracks.
A summary is fine, but try to give an impression of the sorts of projects you gave your time to. (Besides, the Repeated feature only works four times per space.)I had a quick question about volunteering under a club on campus. If the club that I was involved in had around 10 specific dates over 4 years that were dedicated to volunteering, would I have to list out all 10 dates in the repeated section, or can I just say that over those 4 years there were 10 days in which I spent volunteering, these days make up around 60 hours if that clarifys anything.
Who scheduled the shadowing opportunities for you? Who did you check in with when you arrived? For how many hours did you shadow the two physicians for whom you have contact information?Is it necessary to provide contact information for every physician you shadowed? I did all my shadowing at one hospital, but only have emails for two of the seven physicians. If I observed a surgery, for instance, could I put the phone number for the hospital surgery department?