*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2020-2021 *~*~*~*

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1) I assume it was a short-term leadership opportunity, so based on that, I'd say Yes.
2) Can you give me more information? Were you a study group member before becoming the Lead? How many hours are involved? Can you describe your role further? Why do you think this is more leadership-y than teaching?
3) Generally, No, not unless they were with the same organization. Or at least, were largely similar in the roles.

2) The role title was 'Peer-Led Undergraduate Study Group Facilitator' and it was for a semester (approx 60 hours) where I would coordinate and lead discussion for weekly study groups for a Biochemistry course I was simultaneously taking that semester. That is a good consideration about leadership vs. teaching. I also have a community service activity where I was an art teacher/mentor for a child so it could be effective to bundle those two experiences?

Thank you!
 
I am listing my experience interning in refugee camps through a study abroad program as one of my work/activity spaces. I have it classified under community service - not medical/clinical but since I received class credit for the "internship" should I list it as Other instead? thanks!
 
I just want to verify that this is correct, you said to:
Include these in their own Posters/Presentations space:
-abstract I first-authored in JMIR, iproceedings (has a DOI)
-another abstract I co-authored (listed and says we all contributed equally) in JMIR iproceedings (has a DOI)

should these items above be included in their own presentation space and not just mentioned in the research space? they have their own DOI numbers but I am not sure if they are considered publications for AMCAS purposes since they are just abstracts/posters published under the "connected health conference" themed issues. hey do both have DOIs but I dont think are pubmed searchable....
If you are short on spaces, you can include these in the Research space, instead of in a Posters/Presentations space:
-abstract I first-authored in JMIR, iproceedings (has a DOI)
-another abstract I co-authored (listed and says we all contributed equally) in JMIR iproceedings (has a DOI)

I would not put them in a Publications space.
 
Hey @Catalystik

I know you previously said to organize the activity date range as

#1 Jan 2015-May 2015 100 hours (meaning, these are completed)
#2 May 2015-Aug 2016 50 hours (meaning, hours predicted into the future)

My question is since the AAMC handbook suggests people should go until the start date of the month prior to matriculation, I assume most people will include: Jan 2015- Aug 2016 (Total hours: 150)

If they make no mention in the description of, "I completed 100 hours by the time of application or something similar; How will you compare his hours to an applicant who did it by splitting it up as you suggested?
- Is there a software that automatically combines all the completed and future hours that someone has listed? That would seem as the only fair way to judge them especially if the applicant who kept a continuous date range doesn't include an estimation of hours in his description.
It would not be fair to take into account future hours that might never be completed. Personally, I do the math myself. I only take into account completed hours, even if I have to calculate what those might be.
 
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Hey @Catalystik
"Any poster, pub, or presentation that took place at a campus venue should be mentioned with the affiliated Research entry. Any that occurred at a regional/national location or appears in a journal deserves its own spot, if you have space."

I have two poster presentations with my university's research symposium. Are these really undeserving of at least one individual "Poster/Presentations" slot? Granted, I could just put it under the most meaningful essay of my Research/Lab slot. But I really did put a lot of work into these presentations.
You can do as you feel best, however, campus Research Symposia generally do not provide the same scrutiny and selectivity, before a poster is accepted, and are often required if related to a class. They do not speak much to the merit of the project.
 
I'm struggling with how to frame my work and activities. Currently, they're a bunch of examples of stuff. For example, instead of saying "I learned how to make presenations engaging for young children," I give a specific example of how I made presentations engaging for young children ("I referenced Disney princess to support this concept and followed up with activities that taught teamwork"). However, reviewers are asking me "What did you learn from this experience?" In my opinion, it's more powerful to say "I multitasked by doing x, y, and z" instead of saying "I learned how to multitask, I learned this, I learned that." Should I still explicitly say what I learned?
Each entry should be handled individually. Too many stories can get fatiguing to read through. But having too many entries connecting all the dots for the adcomm gets annoying. Try to find a balance. Some entries are fine with "just the facts, ma'am" [or sir]. Just don't ever be flowery with endless descriptors and -ly words. Make the stories succinct. [Sidenote: Disney references are always OK by me.]
 
Is it okay to list a school extracurricular like so even though I will not be doing much for it over the summer? Or is there a better way to list the future hours for academic year activities.
- September 2018 - May 2020: X hours
- May 2020 - May 2021: Y hours
If you include the term Academic Year in the title of the space, then you can list it as per your example. Otherwise, I'd suggest not having the future hours in the header and just mentioning your intention in the narrative.
 
How should I list hours for a 6 week non clinical volunteer trip in Kenya Africa? Hours per day spent actively volunteering? Total hours at the location of my volunteer project?
Do not include sleep, socialization, tourist time, travel, and personal care time. Planning time, report writing, and meetings can be included with the active volunteer time.
 
2) The role title was 'Peer-Led Undergraduate Study Group Facilitator' and it was for a semester (approx 60 hours) where I would coordinate and lead discussion for weekly study groups for a Biochemistry course I was simultaneously taking that semester. That is a good consideration about leadership vs. teaching. I also have a community service activity where I was an art teacher/mentor for a child so it could be effective to bundle those two experiences?
Grouping them under teaching would be fine.
 
I am listing my experience interning in refugee camps through a study abroad program as one of my work/activity spaces. I have it classified under community service - not medical/clinical but since I received class credit for the "internship" should I list it as Other instead? thanks!
Receiving class credit isn't the issue. Internships like this often contain multiple components that don't fit one category, like classes, cultural experiences, shadowing, etc that make it better to list as Other, if you want to include all the hours. But there's no reason you can't carve out the hours dedicated to community service and list them on their own.
 
I'm struggling with the best way to write the physician shadowing entry...
- I would list the contact for each doctor I shadowed in the experience description. So who would I put down for the contact person required for the entry?
- In the description, should I include the dates I shadowed each physician as well as the hours?
- I'd like to write a few sentences on what I learned during shadowing but can't seem to get enough space D:
 
If you are short on spaces, you can include these in the Research space, instead of in a Posters/Presentations space:
-abstract I first-authored in JMIR, iproceedings (has a DOI)
-another abstract I co-authored (listed and says we all contributed equally) in JMIR iproceedings (has a DOI)

I would not put them in a Publications space.

Oh got it! Thanks. I was confusing posters/presentations space with a publications space. OK, I am fine on space so I will put them in their own posters/presentations space. I am trouble thinking of a "name" for the space. Fine to just say "Multiple Abstracts/Posters in Conference Edition of Journal" ?
 
Receiving class credit isn't the issue. Internships like this often contain multiple components that don't fit one category, like classes, cultural experiences, shadowing, etc that make it better to list as Other, if you want to include all the hours. But there's no reason you can't carve out the hours dedicated to community service and list them on their own.
got it, thank you so much!
 
Oh got it! Thanks. I was confusing posters/presentations space with a publications space. OK, I am fine on space so I will put them in their own posters/presentations space. I am trouble thinking of a "name" for the space. Fine to just say "Multiple Abstracts/Posters in Conference Edition of Journal" ?
Sounds good.
 
I'm struggling with the best way to write the physician shadowing entry...
1- I would list the contact for each doctor I shadowed in the experience description. So who would I put down for the contact person required for the entry?
2- In the description, should I include the dates I shadowed each physician as well as the hours?
3- I'd like to write a few sentences on what I learned during shadowing but can't seem to get enough space D:
1) The first person on the list has their contact info in the header rather than in the narrative space.
2) Dates or timeframe, like summer 2019.
3) You don't need to add commentary, but see my example in post #2, item 10 of this thread for what might fit.
 
I know you can generally do future hours for things, but can I do future hours for shadowing? I was going to shadow an orthopedic surgeon a day or two before my state shutdown. I obviously haven't been able to shadow him, but I will be able to once it's safer. Can I put this in the experience description? Something like:

Current Hours:
Dr. Skip Skipson, Family Medicine, Nuna Community Health, (342) xxx-xxxx (12 Hours)
Dr. Henry Henderson, Family/Sports Medicine, Nuna Community Health, (312) xxx-xxxx (4 hours)
Dr. Marky Mark, Emergency Medicine, Hume Community Health, (367) xxx-xxxx (3 hours)

Future Hours:
Dr. Pauly D, Orthopedic Surgery, ScallyWag Orthopedics, (970) xxx-xxxx (8 Projected Hours)
 
I know you can generally do future hours for things, but can I do future hours for shadowing? I was going to shadow an orthopedic surgeon a day or two before my state shutdown. I obviously haven't been able to shadow him, but I will be able to once it's safer. Can I put this in the experience description? Something like:

Current Hours:
Dr. Skip Skipson, Family Medicine, Nuna Community Health, (342) xxx-xxxx (12 Hours)
Dr. Henry Henderson, Family/Sports Medicine, Nuna Community Health, (312) xxx-xxxx (4 hours)
Dr. Marky Mark, Emergency Medicine, Hume Community Health, (367) xxx-xxxx (3 hours)

Future Hours:
Dr. Pauly D, Orthopedic Surgery, ScallyWag Orthopedics, (970) xxx-xxxx (8 Projected Hours)
I'd agree with the way you listed it if you had definite dates for the shadowing experience, but that's maybe not possible in the current environment. OTOH, due to the current environment, adcomms may be more tolerant of iffy listings.

If you decide to go ahead and list it as it is, then maybe give an update in Secondary essays where the prompt is appropriate or where there is an update portal for the school.
 
You can abbreviate the author list, you can summarize/shorten the title. Using the DOI would be my last choice.
This is how I currently have them cited:
First Author. Title [Poster, Abstract]. iproc information (volume, etc.). DOI. This was presented by X at the X Conference, and I also presented at my university's research forum.

^is that alright or is there a better way?


Also, I apologize for all of the questions. Just as you instructed to put 0 hours for posters/presentations space, same for an award (I.e. grant awarded) space, correct?
 
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I'd agree with the way you listed it if you had definite dates for the shadowing experience, but that's maybe not possible in the current environment. OTOH, due to the current environment, adcomms may be more tolerant of iffy listings.

If you decide to go ahead and list it as it is, then maybe give an update in Secondary essays where the prompt is appropriate or where there is an update portal for the school.

So it might be better to not list it? My only concern would be if I was not able to shadow before I submit secondaries. My state is opening up slowly, but I'm not sure when I'll be allowed to shadow. I'll have to reach out and see if they have any plans of allowing nonessential personal in their office. If they don't have any plans before July/August I may not list it.
 
I participated in a research fellowship this past spring semester where I did research full time for class credit (12 hours) and finished the program with a poster presentation based on the research I did in the lab. What would be the best way to classify this on AMCAS? Should I list the poster presentation separate from the research fellowship or just mention the poster in the space for the fellowship?
 
So it might be better to not list it? My only concern would be if I was not able to shadow before I submit secondaries. My state is opening up slowly, but I'm not sure when I'll be allowed to shadow. I'll have to reach out and see if they have any plans of allowing nonessential personal in their office. If they don't have any plans before July/August I may not list it.
Maybe you could call the office and see when elective patients will be scheduled. That might be a predictor of when you can start. Or at least the very soonest you can start.
 
One of my activities is helping to develop and lead a CPR training program for underfunded public schools. I write primarily about my time in my activities about being president, but of course I was also a general member doing instructing. I currently have it listed as leadership-not otherwise specified, but it is also sort of non-clinical volunteering.

If I have about 340 hours of non-clinical volunteering (but only in 1 activity I did for 4 years), but 2 other leadership-not otherwise specified experiences. Given this experience kind of falls into both categories, which category should I use? Will adcoms see it as both regardless of how I classify it?
 
1) This is how I currently have them cited:
First Author. Title [Poster, Abstract]. iproc information (volume, etc.). DOI. This was presented by X at the X Conference, and I also presented at my university's research forum.

^is that alright or is there a better way?


2) Also, I apologize for all of the questions. Just as you instructed to put 0 hours for posters/presentations space, same for an award (I.e. grant awarded) space, correct?
1) Is there an indication of your authorship position somewhere? You might enter the info about where it was presented in bullet form (using a *** or -- instead of a real bullet) to use fewer characters.

2) For awards, you'd enter the time you sat at a presentation ceremony, or a zero if none.
 
I participated in a research fellowship this past spring semester where I did research full time for class credit (12 hours) and finished the program with a poster presentation based on the research I did in the lab. What would be the best way to classify this on AMCAS? Should I list the poster presentation separate from the research fellowship or just mention the poster in the space for the fellowship?
You can list the research portion of the fellowship under Research (if there were other components, you'd omit those hours, like classes, enrichment talks, fieldtrips, organizational meetings, etc) unless you prefer to list the entire experience, including all hours) under "Other". If the poster session was at the same site, then include mention of it in the same entry.
 
1) Is there an indication of your authorship position somewhere? You might enter the info about where it was presented in bullet form (using a *** or -- instead of a real bullet) to use fewer characters.

2) For awards, you'd enter the time you sat at a presentation ceremony, or a zero if none.

I thought by saying "first author" was enough to indicate my authorship position, was I mistaken? For my other listing, I wrote "co-author" because even though I am listed first in authorship it is also indicated that all authors contributed equally.
 
One of my activities is helping to develop and lead a CPR training program for underfunded public schools. I write primarily about my time in my activities about being president, but of course I was also a general member doing instructing. I currently have it listed as leadership-not otherwise specified, but it is also sort of non-clinical volunteering.

If I have about 340 hours of non-clinical volunteering (but only in 1 activity I did for 4 years), but 2 other leadership-not otherwise specified experiences. Given this experience kind of falls into both categories, which category should I use? Will adcoms see it as both regardless of how I classify it?
If you want to call it Leadership, then carve out the volunteering hours and list them elsewhere (on their own or grouped with other nonmedical community service). If it makes more sense to keep the two components together and list all the hours in one space, then use Community Service or Teaching as the activity tag.

As you already have plenty listed in the two categories, you can take your pick for what you'd prefer to do.
 
I thought by saying "first author" was enough to indicate my authorship position, was I mistaken? For my other listing, I wrote "co-author" because even though I am listed first in authorship it is also indicated that all authors contributed equally.
I was confused as I didn't recall if it referred to you or to someone else.

If doing it your way, consider:

First authorship:
Title [Poster, Abstract]. iproc information (volume, etc.). DOI. This was presented by 3rd author (or PI) at the X Conference. Also presented at my university's research forum on xx/x/xx.

Co-Author:
[etc]
 
I was confused as I didn't recall if it referred to you or to someone else.

If doing it your way, consider:

First authorship:
Title [Poster, Abstract]. iproc information (volume, etc.). DOI. This was presented by 3rd author (or PI) at the X Conference. Also presented at my university's research forum on xx/x/xx.

Co-Author:
[etc]
thank you so much, that is so helpful. I really appreciate it!!
 
So I volunteered for H4H on non-regular basis and am planning to use the repeated feature to enter it:

03/2019-03/2019 - 8 hrs
03/2020-03/2020 - 8 hrs
05/2020-05/2020- 8 hrs
05/2020-08/2021 - 24 hrs

Is this acceptable?
 
Hey @Catalystik

So I want to preface my question by stating that I have 860 hours of clinical exposure....

1.) For one of my experiences, I volunteered in a hospital for 6 months from August 2015 to April 2016 and have 100 hours. However, due to academic and other volunteering commitments I dropped it. Later the following year, I transferred to another institution.
- Anyways, I graduated last year and am back in home city. I planned on starting up volunteering again this March until next July; However, COVID ended that.

What should I keep as the starting month for my repeated feature? March (Which is when I planned to start up again but couldn't due to COVID). oR May 2020 ( However, things likely won't start at the very least until July). However, I'm thinking May or July just look shady.

#1 August 2015 to April 2016 Total Hours: 100 hours
#2 May 2020- July 2021 Total Hours: 130 Hours
 
Hey @Catalystik

So I want to preface my question by stating that I have 860 hours of clinical exposure....

1.) For one of my experiences, I volunteered in a hospital for 6 months from August 2015 to April 2016 and have 100 hours. However, due to academic and other volunteering commitments I dropped it. Later that year, I transferred to another institution.
- Anyways, I graduated last year and am back in home city. I planned on starting up volunteering again this March until next July; However, COVID ended that.

a) What should I keep as the starting month for my repeated feature? March (Which is when I planned to start up again but couldn't due to COVID).
b) oR May 2020 ( However, thing's likely won't start at the very least until July). However, I'm thinking May or July just look shady.

#1 August 2015 to April 2016 Total Hours: 100 hours
#2 May 2020- July 2021 Total Hours: 130 Hours
1a) Absolutely not! And I would not use the Repeated feature, regardless, since it isn't the same hospital.
1b) I agree it looks shady, as you have no idea when it will actually start.

Instead of entering a future date range in the header, I suggest a comment at the end of the entry that you plan to resume XXX after COVID restrictions are lifted for x hrs/week until y/yyyy. Do not include an hourly total, as you have no way of predicting what it will be. As things open up, you can use Secondary essays and update letters & portals to let schools know about start date and accumulated new hours.
 
If I am referring to a patient with a fake name using quotations, is it okay for me to only use the quotations the first time? Or should I use the quotations every time that I use the fake name?
 
1. Most of the time I wasn't really volunteering my time/actively giving back to the community; it was a lot more of discussing issues with other students. I'll stick to Extracurricular then.

2. I guess my big concern is that not having a dedicated Leadership activity would hurt my application. At the same time, if I change my volunteer supervisor role to being Leadership, I will only have ~130 official hours of non-clinical volunteering, which could also hurt it. Any insight?
1) OK.

2) I think that 130 official hours of nonmedical community service is quite adequate for schools that aren't service-oriented, like the Jesuit schools, UUtah, USC, Rush, and the HBCUs. But with your Advocacy work added in and titled appropriately, you might be fine even for them.
 
Should I bother to list my placement at a competition for an extracurricular (Future Health Professionals or HOSA) within the state where I placed 1st but only out of 3 places. There was also another time I placed 2nd out of 3 places. Since it's only out of few competitors should I include that?
 
So, to clarify:
60 hours under Leadership titled "Mental Health Crisis Center Volunteer Supervisor"
with 130 hours Non-clinical volunteering "Other Philanthropic Involvement"
and 50 hours Extracurricular "LGBT Organizations and Advocacy"

would be optimal compared to having the first one be 360 hours of non-clinical volunteering titled "Mental Health Crisis Center Volunteer; Supervisor" ?

I understand that the answer to this really varies, just looking for a personal opinion!
If you are a strong candidate for the highly-selective, research-focused med schools (Top Ten, etc), then having a Leadership space is desirable. If you are aiming more for primary-care and service-focused schools, then putting it all under Volunteer-Not Medical Clinical, with the space title you suggested would be in your better interests.
 
I'm a little confused about what I should label as "leadership" of my activities. Should any of these be under the leadership category?
1. I've been on exec board of a club since the past 2 years and will be president this coming school year. I listed that as extracurricular but should it be leadership? It was also one of my most meaningful experiences where I talked about it transforming me into a leader
2. EMT - listed it under volunteer
3. National Biology honors society - was a chair member for the past year and will be VP for upcoming school year. Listed it as extracurricular
 
Should I bother to list my placement at a competition for an extracurricular (Future Health Professionals or HOSA) within the state where I placed 1st but only out of 3 places. There was also another time I placed 2nd out of 3 places. Since it's only out of few competitors should I include that?
If the win wasn't very selective, then mentioning these awards may not add to your candidacy. What were the criteria for each?
 
If the win wasn't very selective, then mentioning these awards may not add to your candidacy. What were the criteria for each?
I placed 1st out of 3 in a medical spelling competition. The 2nd/3 was one I did with a partner where we had to design a poster for a health career.
 
I'm a little confused about what I should label as "leadership" of my activities. Should any of these be under the leadership category?
1. I've been on exec board of a club since the past 2 years and will be president this coming school year. I listed that as extracurricular but should it be leadership? It was also one of my most meaningful experiences where I talked about it transforming me into a leader
2. EMT - listed it under volunteer
3. National Biology honors society - was a chair member for the past year and will be VP for upcoming school year. Listed it as extracurricular
I'd pick #1 as Leadership, discussing only the dates and hours of the leadership roles in the space, and referring to general membership (which is not leadership) in the narrative as part of the backstory.

Why not leave #3 as Extracurricular but mention leadership roles in the name you give the space: Member, Chair, and VP-Elect of National Biology honors Society.
 
I'd pick #1 as Leadership, discussing only the dates and hours of the leadership roles in the space, and referring to general membership (which is not leadership) in the narrative as part of the backstory.

Why not leave #3 as Extracurricular but mention leadership roles in the name you give the space: Member, Chair, and VP-Elect of National Biology honors Society.
Yup I did that for 3. I will label 1 as leadership then. Thank you!
 
Mediocre - 650 hours with no pubs/posters/anything to show for it, but I did designate it as a most meaningful and am discussing it.
1) Unfortunately I also did not getter a LOR from the PI as he has passed away.
2) I'd say the theme is a solid mix of focus on healthcare disparities, innate curiosity and drive to understand disease processes, and lifelong compassion toward others.
3) I forgot to mention that I do have a very strong upward GPA trend despite the 3.5 if that helps. I talk about why my freshman year GPA was so horrible in the very beginning of my PS as it led me to a meaningful interaction with a doctor.
1) Hopefully you commented on the reason in the narrative.
2) Good.
3) It helps.

Good Luck.
 
1) Where do MD/DO designations belong for contacts and shadowing experiences? Is "Dr. , DO" the correct format in "Contact Title"?

2) If I had a paid TA position do I input it under the experience type "Teaching/Tutoring/Teaching Assistant" or do I input it as "Paid Employment - Not Medical/Clinical"?


Thanks Catalystik!
 
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