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that's too bad about the change in tuition policy...don't quote me, but i think it may reflect the sad trend of academic institutions trying to tweak their numbers to optimize us news rankings...i've heard it be said by the administration that Case may suffer in the rankings because its tuition always looks so much worse than other schools b/c of old way of setting one price for 4 years...

although it makes life nicer for students, it may effect that CRITICAL ONE SPOT that the school COULD move up next year b/c of a tution change....
 
juddson said:
No no, that's my point. It is no longer true. Case no longer locks the tuition for four years, starting with our class. For us starting in August, tuition WILL go up each year. That's iron clad. I've called them twice on this very issue.

Wow, that really sucks. I definitely remember hearing the exact opposite at my interview and I never heard otherwise at any point during the admissions process. The financial aid book didn't address this issue at all. I feel totally misled by this whole financial aid process. Very don't ask, don't tell. Why can't they just sack up and tell all the applicants everything?
 
Sean2tall said:
Hey Case Western peeps! I just heard from a friend of mine that certain Ohio schools require you to practice in Ohio for some length of time after residency. . . is this right? And is Case Western one of them? I just sent in a letter saying I really like the school and the location to entice them to take me from the waitlist, but I don't want to lock in for a state of practice! I hope I didn't miss this info. somehow?

Sean

I read on another thread that ohio university college of osteopathic medicine requires you to practice in ohio for 5 years
 
run lola run said:
that's too bad about the change in tuition policy...don't quote me, but i think it may reflect the sad trend of academic institutions trying to tweak their numbers to optimize us news rankings...i've heard it be said by the administration that Case may suffer in the rankings because its tuition always looks so much worse than other schools b/c of old way of setting one price for 4 years...

although it makes life nicer for students, it may effect that CRITICAL ONE SPOT that the school COULD move up next year b/c of a tution change....

Can you explain how locking the tuition for four years make Case look bad or would have any effect whatsoever on the rankings? Would it make Case look better b/c costs are more predictable over four years? I'm confused.
 
exmike said:
Can you explain how locking the tuition for four years make Case look bad or would have any effect whatsoever on the rankings? Would it make Case look better b/c costs are more predictable over four years? I'm confused.

i think the point was that by locking in tuition for four years, the amount charged for each year would be HIGHER than what it would otherwise be for year one and then probably a bit LOWER for the fourth year. So, for incoming students, because the school had to "build in" tuition hikes into the flat capped tuition, it made the school look more expensive than others. That tuition only went up 700 this year (about a 1.8% rise) probably reflects the relative "lowering" of tuition for incoming students(that is, compared to a more typical 6-8% rise of other schools) due to the fact that the tuition hike no longer is "built in" to the flat capped tuition.

So, for instance, a typical school might look like this:

1 = 35000
2 = 39000
3 = 43000
4 = 46000

for a total of $163,000 over four years. Case's old plan would set tuition for four years at, say, $40,750. The total at the end is the same (ie., $163,000) but it looks EXPENSIVE for year #1 and cheap for year #4. Year #1 is the only one that counts (because those are the incoming students). So. . . .

Judd
 
In response to the discussion about Case's website: The website may need a lot of work, but look at the issue from a different angle. It takes a lot of money to develop and maintain a good website. That money could be used for other purposes, ie, financial aid to students. I would rather have a lower indebtedness upon graduation than to know that my school has the best medical school website.

Does anybody know what is Case's official reasoning for switching to a variable tuition fee? Case's tuition is already so high compared to other schools. I could reconcile this large difference because I thought that Case averaged the tuition and its yearly increases over 4 years to come up with that locked tuition rate for each class. If they want to float their tuition, then they should wait until it is comparable to other schools.
 
exmike said:
Can you explain how locking the tuition for four years make Case look bad or would have any effect whatsoever on the rankings? Would it make Case look better b/c costs are more predictable over four years? I'm confused.

i'm not at all privy to what goes into making those rankings, but from what's been said, one (albeit maybe very small) factor is a school's first year tuition, and since Case's is slightly higher than most to even out the lack of increase every year, there you go. i'm not at all sure what goes into us news's calculus, that's just what ive heard
 
Juddson's post sums up the 'old' tuition policy, well, i think...in the end, the total tuition paid by Case students is about the same as students at other private schools, but the flat tuition rate makes life a little simpler because you know going in what you're going to pay EACH of the next four years at the time you go in.

in the end, little difference. but kindof comforting to know there can be no big surprises in the tuition department!
 
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Julie Gerberding (MD - CWRU, MPH - UC Berkeley.. go bears!), head of the CDC was named one of the 100 most influential people in the world in this weeks Time.
 
No there is not a note-taking service. Each lecturer gives the students a syllabus. Some of these are very complete. Others are brief sketches or sometimes (once a month or so) a blank page. Although there is no service, all the lectures are video streamed and you can watch them on your laptop. You will also get this great program which will let you speed-up or slow lectures without them sounding like a mouse.
 
Do you guys remember if Case is a block schedule?
 
I'm not sure what the terminology is, but I am under the impression that at Case we would be taking one class at a time (for the most part) for 4-6 weeks straight, then have an exam, then start a new class for 4-6 weeks, and then have an exam, etc. Is this a "block" system?

Judd
 
wait...how long will gross anatomy be in that case?
 
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SoulRFlare said:
wait...how long will gross anatomy be in that case?

i found a chart of the curriculum on the AAMC website a few months ago. i've attached it. it looks like gross anatomy is between november and march.
 

Attachments

Thanks Dangee. Good stuff.

Judd
 
It was a difficult decision between Case, Ohio State and Pitt, but it looks like I will be going to Pitt for sure.


Wow, SDN holding 5/32 current cclcm spots. we're taking over the world!



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I thought I'd added my name earlier, but perhaps it was erased. i'll be at Case next year, unless I should happen to get off of the Pitt waitlist before early June.

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we keep accumulating dudes at Case. Whats going on?!?
 
I guess they are trying to recruit more fans for Cleveland Browns, trying to fill seats there in case they have another losing season this year. 😉
 
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At this point it looks like I'll be at Case, although I'm really not looking forward to all the loans I'll be taking on to afford it. 😱
 
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fixed the BOLDS. Welcome traveler005!
 
i talked w/ mrs. english today and she said it looks like we'll start orientation on august 5, end orientation on august 6 and begin classes that afternoon. (i was under the impression that we worked on an 8-12 schedule, but what do i know) the white coat ceremony will be that sunday (august 7). this information is still prone to change.

it sure would be nicer of them to have us start class on monday, thus giving us the weekend to hang out and get to know people a little bit. oh well.
 
robotdancing said:
i talked w/ mrs. english today and she said it looks like we'll start orientation on august 5, end orientation on august 6 and begin classes that afternoon. (i was under the impression that we worked on an 8-12 schedule, but what do i know) the white coat ceremony will be that sunday (august 7). this information is still prone to change.

it sure would be nicer of them to have us start class on monday, thus giving us the weekend to hang out and get to know people a little bit. oh well.

😱 Thats a lot earlier than I had anticipated. Dude, i thought most med schools had like weeklong orientations. Wassup with this!?! The need to slide us more slowly!
 
woah, case just sent me a letter asking me to choose a school b/c they know i have other acceptances. interesting.
 
yeah...i got mine yesterday. so what are you going to do exmike?
 
thanks for the info Robotdancing.
 
exmike said:
woah, case just sent me a letter asking me to choose a school b/c they know i have other acceptances. interesting.

What struck me about the letter was the name and logo change. It's now "Case School of Medicine". I'm glad they changed it because the former name was too long.
 
oldtimer said:
What struck me about the letter was the name and logo change. It's now "Case School of Medicine". I'm glad they changed it because the former name was too long.


I've been thinking about this name change thing a bit. I think they woudlve done themselves good if they just droped "reserve" from the name. Case Western. I like the sound of that. If you tell a non-premed "I go to Case" they'll be like "case.. of what?"

Maybe Case Western sounded too much like NorthWestern.
 
oldtimer said:
What struck me about the letter was the name and logo change. It's now "Case School of Medicine". I'm glad they changed it because the former name was too long.

The name change has been something of a big deal here in Cleveland over the past year. It's not just the medical school, of course. The concern among those people who concern themselves with such things is that the name was too long and failed to conjure up any name recognition at all. I did my undergrad (and post-bacc) work at CWRU, and I have to tell you that the most common response from people who were not from cleveland was "is that a military school". In keeping with the trend to shorted names (my old lawfirm cut one of its names out - so did the biggest law firm in the world, which happens to be based here in Cleveland) CWRU decided to change the name and the logo to just "Case". And then in much smaller letters below "Case Western Reserve University".

Doesn't seem like a big deal, but it IS. CWRU actually consisted of two totally independant and seperate universities up until 1967, Case Institute of Technology and Western Reserve University. Western Reserve itself consisted of a few colleged such as "Adelbert College" and Flora Stone Mather College". Prior to confederation in 1967, Western Reserve University was like any other full fledged university, consisting of departments in Chemistry, Physics, Literature, etc. It was also the home of the professional schools, including the Medical School (then called, Western Reserve University School of Medicine, I think) and the law school. Case Institute of Technology consisted mainly of engineering departments, but I think that it also had a somewhat abbreviated compliment of the traditionla liberal arts departments as well. NOt sure about this part.

In any event, the two institutions came together in 1967 into one university, Case Western Reserve University ("with a tradition of excellence even longer than our name 😉 ). I'm not sure what the dynamic was like between 1967 and the early 1990's, but my impression was that it was a good one. However, when I started school in 1992 there had been in place (for how long, i do not know) two seperate "core" curriculums. The "Case Core" was for science majors who intended on getting a BS (any of the natural sciences or engineering). This "core" consisted of three semesters of the calculus based physics, a year of calculus (maybe 3 semester, I don't recall) and a host of other "gut" science courses that all BS students needed to take. The "Reserve Core" consisted of core classes needed to be taken by BA students (natural sciences as well as all the liberal arts majors). This core was, ahem, less rigorous. When I was there, those people who were taking the "reserve core" and therefore were likely to be liberal arts majors were called "reservies" or whatnot and it did not take long to realize that this was a rather normative term to say the least.

In any event, up until 1994, or so, any student getting a BS (whether engineering or natural sciences) got thier degree from the "Case school of science and engineering". At the same time, BA's got thier degree from the "School of Arts and Sciences".

To get a good sense of how people felt about this, I'll use my ex-girlfriend as an example - here story is illustrative of the dynamic then prevelant. When she started at CWRU in 1991 (or so) she was on her way to a BS in Biology (she was premed), and therefore took the "Case Core". However, in 1994 the university changed the name from "Case School of science and engineering" to the "Case school of engineering". As result, ALL BS's students would now get thier degrees from the "School of Arts and Sciences". You never saw so much bitching and moaning in your life. The very idea that a BS biology degree ought to come from the same degree granting college as a psychology BA was frankly repugnant. All these natural science BS students were now, essentially, "reservies". Oh the humanity.

Anyway, as I have suggested, there was (and is) a sort of two-tiered hierarchy among students at Case that as far as I can tell (since I did my post-bacc there) still existed. When the University decided (for all intents and purposes to lop off the "Western Reserve" part of the name, more than a few Western Reserve graduates got pretty pissed off. There was concern, of course, that this would hurt donations, etc, etc. I don't know. But some of our HUGE benefactors had been graduates of "Western Reserve University" prior to confederation. And now in 2004, as the legacy of that institution seems top have been shluffed off by the powers that be, some are angry.

Anyway, WAAAAAAY to much info, but I thought I'd share.

Judd
 
I agree with exmike. I like 'Case Western' much better than Case. Not to mention is has a sort of cadence to it that conjures up Northwestern, which is not a bad things, is it? I almost always tell people I attend "Case Western" when speaking to them. I wish they had renamed it this.

Judd
 
juddson said:
I agree with exmike. I like 'Case Western' much better than Case. Not to mention is has a sort of cadence to it that conjures up Northwestern, which is not a bad things, is it? I almost always tell people I attend "Case Western" when speaking to them. I wish they had renamed it this.

Judd

Also, if you leave the "western" in, you wont piss off the western reserve alumni.
 
Case...one word, one syllable...sort of like "Yale"
anyway, when people talk about the school, they refer to it as "Case " (at least in my experience.)
 
SoulRFlare said:
Case...one word, one syllable...sort of like "Yale"
anyway, when people talk about the school, they refer to it as "Case " (at least in my experience.)


The thing is people outside of the midwest dont really know much about the school. If i told someone in california I go to Case they'll probably think i'm a head case.
 
exmike said:
The thing is people outside of the midwest dont really know much about the school. If i told someone in california I go to Case they'll probably think i'm a head case.
Ya, but they looked at you the same way when you said "Hopkins" too. Remember the "Where's that" comments? And remember telling them "No,no, it's THE JohnS Hopkins University" :laugh:
 
Mr Reddly said:
Ya, but they looked at you the same way when you said "Hopkins" too. Remember the "Where's that" comments? And remember telling them "No,no, it's THE JohnS Hopkins University" :laugh:


haha yeah.. omg if i had a penny for each time someone said "john hopkins"

maybe we should start a petition at school to change the name to "Case Western University"

Its the "reserve" that doesnt fit.
 
i like "western reserve" myself...different...stands out
 
actually, I think they should have shortened it to "The University" ... think of how much prestiege, power and recongnition that name would have commanded !
 
Hi Everyone,

I'm going to be starting my Ph.D. in the Med School's new Bioethics program this fall. I'm currently getting my masters through Penn's Med Program. Any recs on where to live near Case (I will have a roommate, so a 2 bedroom is in order) would be much appreciated! I'll have my car too, so a place with decent parking would be nice. I came out to visit a few weekends ago, but didn't really know where to start looking for apartments. If you could list the names of buildings you might have seen or lived in that'd probably help alot of us out there clueless about the area. Thanks mucho!
 
Penngirl03 said:
Hi Everyone,

I'm going to be starting my Ph.D. in the Med School's new Bioethics program this fall. I'm currently getting my masters through Penn's Med Program. Any recs on where to live near Case (I will have a roommate, so a 2 bedroom is in order) would be much appreciated! I'll have my car too, so a place with decent parking would be nice. I came out to visit a few weekends ago, but didn't really know where to start looking for apartments. If you could list the names of buildings you might have seen or lived in that'd probably help alot of us out there clueless about the area. Thanks mucho!


there is a bunch of info in this thread if you read through it, mostly in the early pages.
 
hey judd...what cell phone company do you suggest? verizon any good up there?
 
SoulRFlare said:
hey judd...what cell phone company do you suggest? verizon any good up there?

I hope sprint still works well, esp inside the building. I recall my phone working fine on interview day though...
 
My wife and I use Verizon. No problems anywhere, so far.

Judd
 
the funny thing about sprint--
I had sprint about two years ago, and my sister, who was in cinci (in med school there) had verizon. the thing is, we didn't have verizon in this area, only sprint, att, and alltel. anyway, my sister got better service here with her verizon phone than i did with sprint! so i guess the new sprint tower on campus means better service for verizon customers.
 
Cingular GSM works pretty well in Cleveland too as far as I could tell when I was there.. got 5 bars everywhere I went and had no problems.
 
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