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In-house referrals? You will literally refer them in their house to a real doctor.
On a serious note, this is a FQHC, so should be considered charity work. Comes with malpractice insurance paid.
On a serious note, this is a FQHC, so should be considered charity work. Comes with malpractice insurance paid.
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Hey all, just wanted to get your guys’ opinion on an offer I received recently. Just for some background, I completed a fellowship after residency, got a VA job after graduating and got my boards certification after a year out.
Now I’ve been offered a hospital job close to home in a rural part of south Oklahoma. The base pay is 250k for the first yr, then goes to a base draw in yr 2 at 225k with 41/RVU. No call, mixed pathology from DFC to elective recon and some trauma (general orthos there like their ankle fractures). 20k sign on, 15k relocation.
Been reading a lot of the recent posts (which I appreciate), and given the current climate, is this an offer any of you would accept immediately or try to negotiate? And if you tried to negotiate, any insight into what else could be reasonably asked for (salary increase, RVU factor, guaranteed salary, etc)? Appreciate any feedback!
Now I’ve been offered a hospital job close to home in a rural part of south Oklahoma. The base pay is 250k for the first yr, then goes to a base draw in yr 2 at 225k with 41/RVU. No call, mixed pathology from DFC to elective recon and some trauma (general orthos there like their ankle fractures). 20k sign on, 15k relocation.
Been reading a lot of the recent posts (which I appreciate), and given the current climate, is this an offer any of you would accept immediately or try to negotiate? And if you tried to negotiate, any insight into what else could be reasonably asked for (salary increase, RVU factor, guaranteed salary, etc)? Appreciate any feedback!
Rvu should be 50
Also how much PTO? or is it you have time off as long as you meet the base draw?
What type of surgeries will they demand, and how does that apply to what you feel comfortable with?
What amount CME money/time?
What are the ancillary benefits
Current VA pay is 220 so it would be a decent increase.
PTO first year is 26 days, then once it goes to base draw it’s technically unlimited, but obviously have to meet the numbers.
They also give 5000 for CME with 5 days
As for cases, I don’t do a ton of frames, but aside from that I’m doing pretty much everything here at the VA. At the hospital I’ve been told pretty much any foot and ankle path that comes in I’d be able to staff.
I would be the first pod they’ve ever hired, and the only foot and ankle person there. I’d essentially be starting up the department from scratch, which I know will command a lot of time outside of just clinical hrs. I feel like I should be asking for more, just not really sure what would be considered a fair counteroffer
PTO first year is 26 days, then once it goes to base draw it’s technically unlimited, but obviously have to meet the numbers.
They also give 5000 for CME with 5 days
As for cases, I don’t do a ton of frames, but aside from that I’m doing pretty much everything here at the VA. At the hospital I’ve been told pretty much any foot and ankle path that comes in I’d be able to staff.
I would be the first pod they’ve ever hired, and the only foot and ankle person there. I’d essentially be starting up the department from scratch, which I know will command a lot of time outside of just clinical hrs. I feel like I should be asking for more, just not really sure what would be considered a fair counteroffer
This is similar to my first rural hospital contract. RVU is low, I'd ask for 50 and see what them come up with. Throw in some loan repayment too
Ask 275 and loan repayment and 50+ rvu
I’m at 52/RVU at my rural hospital. Initial offer was 45 and I countered with 55. Settled on 52 which I’m happy with.
I've started podiatry department at 3:00 or 4 hospitals now I don't even remember... You're not doing brain surgery bro. You're not setting up cardiac rehab or structured physical therapy courses or whatever etc There's not that much work to be done other than a little bit of marketing and education to outside providers and referral sources.
In terms of loan payment, you want 100K spread across 5 years, something you can negotiate is that it won't start until you switch to production, that's how my loan repayment works is I'm not eligible for it until I switch to production which I will do within 6 months of starting. And yeah who cares about PTO if your goal is to get on production right away if the volume is truly there. If it's going to take you some time to build things up, then enjoy that time off.
And if you're at a huge hospital that's a big referral source like retrograde you're doing frames, if you're at a more rural hospital you maybe do one or two a year and find ways to avoid them because they're not worth it. 5 foot recons ankle fusions chronic Achilles repairs diabetic stuff, IM nails... You will get all that and be just fine and that's plenty.
Only you know how much the close to home part is valued... and what other offers you may or may not have, what other interest the hospital might have, all that. Don't forget that they probably have 95% of the leverage (money, other apps who want the spot, pod is likely just an option to them... not a need for them to have), and that whatever side/party cares less has most of the power. That's probably not you.
So yeah, I would avoid counter with higher salary, higher bonuses, add other bonuses, blah blah, higher rvu pay, higher ABC, add XYZ.
The wRvu is pretty low... I'd be more inclined to negotiate mainly on that value (shows you want to work and get busy fast) than try to push salary or bonuses (might indicate you want money, don't intend to get busy fast, might not intend to stay awhile). Have data on the area and mgma ready to go. You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate, but some points are more important than others to them - and some matter more to you. Read the book X by Aarnio if you have not studied that stuff? Cool book, you can knock it out in a day or two... make the list of negotiating points and figure out which ones you actually care about (and ask/acertain which they value most... hint, prob salary and sign/reloc, potential longevity of hire).
In the end, if it's a good place to work overall, it'll be good. It sounds like you like the option of it. If the admins suck, it'll be bad... that's any employed job. Definitely ask to talk to some non-pod surgeons and docs who currently do (or preferably, who did) work for the hospital and see how their admins, support, staffing, etc are for their FTE docs in general. If they decline to give you anyone or set up calls or meetings with other surgeons and only want you to talk to admins and HR, then that obviously tells a lot.
(as mentioned, starting a new dept is not really that hard... you won't be busy with a full schedule from day 1, and supply lists readily available if you have never started a clinic/office before... ideally make your own so you get what you want and need)
I would definitely get out of the VA and on to a more normal clip and setup soon if you plan to do that at some point. You will do well. 👍
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What's interesting to me about RVUs is that they
(a) produce a disassociation between actual collections and physician payment ie. the podiatrist E&M fixation game vs the fact that hospitals often make more money from procedures
(b) but they also tie you back to the expectations of compensation for your specialty. Podiatrists are presumed to be a low compensation/low reimbursement specialty. You end up trapped on the low end of the RVU spectrum when in fact a podiatrist with the right case volume could generate adequately lucrative surgical facility fees. You've board certified rearfoot which means you are doing at least some volume of rearfoot/ankle fusions or fractures... I think those are good hospital cases if you don't put a million dollars worth of hardware in or spend 8 hours doing one case or try to keep them in the hospital for a week afterwards. The hospital would presumably be very happy to have an orthopedist do those cases efficiently and it would be even funnier to have a podiatrist do them and make 1/2(?) the RVUs for the same facility fee.
(a) produce a disassociation between actual collections and physician payment ie. the podiatrist E&M fixation game vs the fact that hospitals often make more money from procedures
(b) but they also tie you back to the expectations of compensation for your specialty. Podiatrists are presumed to be a low compensation/low reimbursement specialty. You end up trapped on the low end of the RVU spectrum when in fact a podiatrist with the right case volume could generate adequately lucrative surgical facility fees. You've board certified rearfoot which means you are doing at least some volume of rearfoot/ankle fusions or fractures... I think those are good hospital cases if you don't put a million dollars worth of hardware in or spend 8 hours doing one case or try to keep them in the hospital for a week afterwards. The hospital would presumably be very happy to have an orthopedist do those cases efficiently and it would be even funnier to have a podiatrist do them and make 1/2(?) the RVUs for the same facility fee.
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Yeah, RVUs (in hospital setting) are just casino chips, credit card, carnival tickets, whatever... a way to separate people from the actual money figures.
Hospitals want their docs (and peers at other hospitals) talking about RVUs per month, year... not any acutual collections/pay.
It'd be like you and I discussing how many pts we see per day/week/month (without regard to what we did for each, what insurance they had, if the bills got paid, how much we collect, how much we net).
The good thing is stuff like Medscape and Mgma and other big physician income surveys ... but very regional and limited data (esp for podaitry). In the end, the only income number that matters is one's own... and what their savings and debt paydown rate/percent is, if they like their job/life a bit in the end. We all know high earner docs that spend it faster than they make it. 🙂
I swear it's like we're all too busy turning down employers to post here
346K (initial offer at 320) Base, 45 per RVU up to the base, then 35 per RVU after (yea that sucks).
Large system run, smaller community hospital.
25K signing bonus, 25K (initial 15K) non-productivity bonus; 3k CME and the typical 5 days CME, 30days PTO, 403b, 457, etc.
Would ideally like to get the RVU up to 50 but they don't really want to budge; maybe I could add a retention bonus of 15K per year
Typical DM foot call if around, ortho will be taking the trauma call
Large system run, smaller community hospital.
25K signing bonus, 25K (initial 15K) non-productivity bonus; 3k CME and the typical 5 days CME, 30days PTO, 403b, 457, etc.
Would ideally like to get the RVU up to 50 but they don't really want to budge; maybe I could add a retention bonus of 15K per year
Typical DM foot call if around, ortho will be taking the trauma call
What's the payback on all thpse signing and other bonuses if you leave early
When do the RVUs kick in
RVU is pure ****. So you have no reason to get busy maybe? Base salary is fantastic though.
How often is DM foot call? What's the match on 403b, if any?
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...podiatry is really more excellent when non-surgical. My 14 incoming text messages last night from ~11pm until 345am attest to this.
Podiatrist
Location: Utica, NY
Visa Assistance: No
Please note: this role is PERM / Full-time. We do not have locums roles.
Established medical group is seeking a non-surgical Podiatrist to join our highly successful Podiatry Department. The physicians perform consultations in a state-of-the-art facility with on-site lab and radiology services available.
About the Group:
A physician-owned and physician-run multi-specialty group established in 1938, we have grown to become one of the largest multi-specialty groups in the Central New York region with 80 years of experience, over 100 physicians and mid-level providers, and 25 specialties.
Partnering with a dedicated and highly qualified professional staff including mid-level providers, we offer a professional, stimulating practice with a predictable work schedule, competitive compensation, comprehensive benefit package, 4 weeks vacation and CME all leading to full partnership and a production based salary at the end of 2 years. Our growing group offers a broad array of ancillary and support services under one roof for the convenience of both patients and physicians. In addition to having Electronic Medical Records, we also have been awarded superior performance designation by MGMA for outstanding Practice management and have achieved the highest accreditation by the AAAHC.
Quality of Life
High Income Potential
Thriving Community
Outstanding Recreational Choices
Excellent Schools
Easy access to major metropolitan areas
Multi-Specialty Group
A vote in your future
Being part of a Center of Excellence
BC/BE medical partner consultations
Lower Upstate New York malpractice insurance premiums
Greater negotiating power with insurance companies
Area Highlights:
The area offers a safe, friendly uncongested community, located in the rolling hills of Central New York. In close proximity are the cities of Syracuse, Cooperstown, Saratoga and Albany. Also within easy driving distance are Boston, New York City, Toronto, Montreal, Washington D.C., Philadelphia and Rochester.
The beautiful surrounding Adirondack Park is a source of countless recreational activities. The city of Utica and surrounding townships offer a good range of educational and cultural facilities. The area’s public and parochial schools rate among the best in the country. For entertainment and activities there is a diverse offering of restaurants, a zoo, the symphony, touring Broadway plays, the Munson-Williams-Proctor Institute art museum, a children's museum, a repertory actors' theater, and many other assets that make our area vibrant, growing city and a great place for people to live.
Not what you're looking for? Let me know where you're looking and I will send you a list.
Also, please share your personal email address if different than this one. That way we can keep you apprised of opportunities in the future when you graduate or change positions.
Molly Britt
CEO - Britt Medical Search
888-534-5864
[email protected]"
...podiatry is really more excellent when non-surgical. My 14 incoming text messages last night from ~11pm until 345am attest to this.
Is it a retained base long term? If so then ask yourself how much you need/want to make. If you transition to a production payscale you will want that $/rvu increased because smaller community hospital can mean less production, especially if you aren't getting the easy trauma. It's similar to what my offer was but $/rvu is 52, and the non-productivity bonus is 10% of base salary. If it's an area you want to be then go for it. Someone left the hospital/retired or area pod left or new from scratch? Will take time to build depending on that answer.
2 years set base.
The job is basically from scratch with the hospital, the PP female retired.
I live 30 minutes away but can commute. I will be DPC'ing every dead foot that comes through the door.
That's obviously great, obviously it makes no sense to cut your RV used down other than they don't want you to burn yourself out, I would probably try and feel them out on that as in is that what they're trying to accomplish? You don't want to make it look like you don't want to work but obviously they're disincentivizing you to work more..... Everything else is fantastic and no-brainer
Yeah, take the base, do as little work as humanly possible. If there is any push back tell them it isn’t worth it for you to be busier at anything below MGMA median $/wRVU compensation (in the $50’s). Maybe that’s what gets them to budge, but otherwise make $345k with benefits for a few years to do minimal work. It isn’t a terrible situation.
Every location is specific... If there's no competition it literally is just a numbers game. Define smaller community hospital? My hospital has a service area of between 80 to 90k. Only hospital for 40 plus miles. No surgical pods, not foot ankle Ortho. I am on pace for 9500 RVUs my first year without working too hard (minimal Fridays). I am switching to production 6 months in. Bet on yourself, screw a long term base.
Edit - no call either....but I do inpatient stuff Ortho punts to me but always have right of refusal. If I say busy can't do they say ok cool, no problem....so not really unpaid call.
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I’m not saying he shouldn’t pursue more work and try to bonus, quite the opposite hence the move to a higher $/rvu and at the minimum dropping the decreased $/rvu bs. I’m also at a rural hospital of roughly the same size service area, first pod through the hospital so started from scratch, and on pace for 8k rvu first year out. My base is also there without ever going to full production. He’s obviously got a good offer even at face value. Just some other things to consider and shoot the breeze about ya know.
Where are PGY-3s looking for jobs? Other than LinkedIn and Indeed, are there any better resources? I am trying to locate to the other side of the country and don't really have contacts there.
Cold calling areas that you want to be in. My last job hunt I just went down the list calling practice after practice. There's random sites like DocCafe and Doximity and stuff that may have a few PODIATRY postings intermittently. You can also sign up for physician recruitment services and maybe a few of them have podiatry postings.
Good luck and happy hunting, like the Uboats of 1940
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What homosapien said.
Google map the area, search for podiatrist, foot and ankle, etc
Look up the pratices in the area, compile all the numbers and look through their website
Cold call
Do the same for hospitals in that area.
Chat up your reps, see if they have contacts in that area, tell them you are actively interested in a job in that area if any of their buddies know any groups hiring.
Call every hospital. If they have one Podiatrist....great they like podiatrists maybe they need another. Just like in sales, be smart enough to be dumb enough and just pick up the phone and keep calling . And you are NOT going to get in your exact desires area across the country. Within 100 miles ...consider that a win.
This is the truth.
The posted PP/supergroup jobs will be below average.
The posted hospital jobs are usually average at best (and often already gone or HEAVILY applied to).
Cold calling pod/ortho/msg groups (office manager) or hospitals (physician recruiter, CEO/CMO if tiny hospital) is the way to go. It's very sad and very low yield, but it only takes one.
Add podiatryexchange, apma classifieds, podiatrycareers, usajobs, PMNews, etc... VERY few decent postings relative to number of grads.
Most of the jobs are low pay, but it's a start... or you can identify areas of possible need or less saturation. Some also have practices for sale (but nearly always just start your own).
For jobs, it's basically networking with attendings and people if you want to stay in residency area... or cold calling if you want elsewhere (hint, stay far from any area of many residencies if you want to max $$ and have some leverage/demand). Places like NY or Chi or Phila or others are dog eat dog for podiatry... always have been, will only get worse.
It's ridiculous to have to "create a job" after many years of training for a specialized skill, but that's how podiatry is. It won't improve with new schools, roughly 600 "foot and ankle surgeons" replacing roughly 300 retiring TFPs ever year.
And as always ....go rural, get loan payback, LCOL get board cert.....then come back to desired area as a better candidate. The reality is that for a good job even the best trained new grad is not the best candidate.
It's like when the young male lion gets cast off as an adolescent and he has to go off and learn to hunt and fend for himself....then he comes back stronger and challenges the older male and wins the heard.
My current job was posted online. It got 50 plus candidates in a few days. I have become friends with the recruiter since starting. He has told me it was my job from day 1. Even though I had no direct ties to the area, I had experience in rural locations developing a new service line and knew what life was like in a less populated area. The fact that was board certified was gravy.
For these hospital jobs, it's not what you can offer them...anyone can offer that. It's why are you going to stay there and thrive. There are too many of us now.
It's like when the young male lion gets cast off as an adolescent and he has to go off and learn to hunt and fend for himself....then he comes back stronger and challenges the older male and wins the heard.
My current job was posted online. It got 50 plus candidates in a few days. I have become friends with the recruiter since starting. He has told me it was my job from day 1. Even though I had no direct ties to the area, I had experience in rural locations developing a new service line and knew what life was like in a less populated area. The fact that was board certified was gravy.
For these hospital jobs, it's not what you can offer them...anyone can offer that. It's why are you going to stay there and thrive. There are too many of us now.
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Beautiful country but what's the pay? How much surgery can a podiatrist do over there? How limited are they?
I agree... depends on the pay. Still a neat opportunity to have. Thanks for posting, @EastCoastPodiatry.SG
But this is probably preferable to most IHS jobs, super-rural USA gigs, underpaid USA metro gigs (depending if one likes the Singapore area/culture/climate). Podiatry is super-saturated in USA, so any bit helps.
If it's like Canada or most non-US countries, podiatrists do very little... mostly just wound care, orthotics, derm/nail. (but a lot of grads these days just want to be able to pay loans, do a bit of surgery)
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That was the next thing I was gonna look up.
I looked up the website.
They are essentially looking for chiropodists, which explains the extremely low salary.
The only US DPM in there is the practice owner (the mustaches *have* moved to Asia)
For what it's worth, they're probably recruiting Australian DPMs. There, podiatry school is a 3 year doctorate, probably much cheaper tuition, and 0 year residency. It's a pretty competitive offer for the Australian podiatry job market (which also is not good)
Keep this thread on topic, please.
Serious question, how do you cold call practices in areas you wanna be in? It just makes me sound like a salesman and I am not a very good one. I don't even know what to say loool
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Call them
Be professional, introduce yourself.
"Hey my name is Dr. Ares, I am a new graduate and was wondering if your practice is hiring?"
Here's my name, number, email.
Get their email and send them your CV etc.
Rinse, repeat.
Give them another call in a month and resend your CV.
I prefer being straight forward.
Some may like flowers roses, and wordy flattery- maybe that'll get you somewhere if that's what you prefer
You either are, or are not busy enough / making enough to hire another doc from a group standpoint.
Hospitals are different but same concept applies. It may be harder to get someone to get back to you in the hospital setting.
Edit: If you're a bad salesman like me, just be straight forward. Keeps you from having to make up stuff. You ARE looking for a job. You ARE wondering if they're hiring. Why beat around the bush and force yourself to pretend otherwise?
Is there a good way to get ahold of people in charge who could potentially help create jobs at hospitals like CMO, CEO, department heads? It seems hard to find this info online. Recruiters just don't seem to care unless its a position they is already open. Anyone with success getting ahold of these people please share.
Look through what Airbud did.
Also reach out to your reps
It is really sad it comes to this cold calling/email/etc, but yeah... you guys need to be a LOT more direct.
If you tiptoe around, it's easy to just be rejected offhand. You waste time. There are 500-600+ DPMs coming out each year now.
Try stuff like:
"Hi, I'm Dr. X, chief resident at ____ training program, and I will be coming to the [your area] upon my graduation next summer.
I was writing about the possibility of meeting with group/doc."
"Hello, I am Dr. X, and I'm in the final stages of licensing in [their state]. I will be visiting with group practices in the month of _____. Is there someone I could talk to regarding a visit date?"
"Hi, I hold an active license in [your state] and am currently board cert/qual by Am Board of Foot and Ankle Surgery. My name is Dr. X, and I am looking to secure a hospital/group position in [metro/city] within the coming months. What is the best way to get in touch with the physician recruiter / office manager to learn more?"
"Hello, I am Dr. X, a license holder in [your state], where I intend to practice soon / grew up. I am looking to explore the possibility of hospital employment. Who could I speak to regarding positions at your system/facility?"
...you basically have to show them you're serious about the area. Imply that you're going to either be on their team or their competition soon (so they'll probably want to meet/talk either way). Having a license in progress or already secured goes a long way... pretty cheap in most states.
At hospitals, try to talk to physician recruiter (HR dept), admin secretary (Admin dept) who takes messages for CEO / CMO.
At groups ortho or pod or MSG or whatever, you usually want to talk to office manager... maybe recruiter if huge group or doc themself is small/solo group.
It also works better with PPs to look up the well-trained groups in an area (sadly not too many in most places), say you have heard good things, you want to visit, meet the docs. You don't have to say anything about being hired or any of that... just say visit or shadow or whatever. Make the undertone that you are likely coming to the area. Maybe a third will want to potentially hire, a third might not be hiring but want to see who you are, and a third will not be hiring but genuinely help you ... but they will almost always want to meet or at least talk. You will gain tons of info... ALL will ask who else you're meeting with (huge leverage if you go to contract discuss at some point). If that's too expensive or too time consuming then, you are probably not too serious about that area or finding a better job. Knowledge is power.
If you tiptoe around, it's easy to just be rejected offhand. You waste time. There are 500-600+ DPMs coming out each year now.
Try stuff like:
"Hi, I'm Dr. X, chief resident at ____ training program, and I will be coming to the [your area] upon my graduation next summer.
I was writing about the possibility of meeting with group/doc."
"Hello, I am Dr. X, and I'm in the final stages of licensing in [their state]. I will be visiting with group practices in the month of _____. Is there someone I could talk to regarding a visit date?"
"Hi, I hold an active license in [your state] and am currently board cert/qual by Am Board of Foot and Ankle Surgery. My name is Dr. X, and I am looking to secure a hospital/group position in [metro/city] within the coming months. What is the best way to get in touch with the physician recruiter / office manager to learn more?"
"Hello, I am Dr. X, a license holder in [your state], where I intend to practice soon / grew up. I am looking to explore the possibility of hospital employment. Who could I speak to regarding positions at your system/facility?"
...you basically have to show them you're serious about the area. Imply that you're going to either be on their team or their competition soon (so they'll probably want to meet/talk either way). Having a license in progress or already secured goes a long way... pretty cheap in most states.
At hospitals, try to talk to physician recruiter (HR dept), admin secretary (Admin dept) who takes messages for CEO / CMO.
At groups ortho or pod or MSG or whatever, you usually want to talk to office manager... maybe recruiter if huge group or doc themself is small/solo group.
It also works better with PPs to look up the well-trained groups in an area (sadly not too many in most places), say you have heard good things, you want to visit, meet the docs. You don't have to say anything about being hired or any of that... just say visit or shadow or whatever. Make the undertone that you are likely coming to the area. Maybe a third will want to potentially hire, a third might not be hiring but want to see who you are, and a third will not be hiring but genuinely help you ... but they will almost always want to meet or at least talk. You will gain tons of info... ALL will ask who else you're meeting with (huge leverage if you go to contract discuss at some point). If that's too expensive or too time consuming then, you are probably not too serious about that area or finding a better job. Knowledge is power.
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