OMG....Cleveland Clinic Program!

[OhioMD]

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I am so excited I will be interviewing at the Cleveland Clinic Program. It is very innovative and allows a medical student to get fundamental training in biomedical research. It seems like a marvelous program to obtain clinical training at the superior facilities of the Cleveland Clinic as well as participate in basic research within a span of 5 years. You are required to write a thesis which I think is awesome!

Anyone else intervewing there? What do you know about the program?

 

[juddson]

I wanted to apply to that program as well, but I have no research background. I think it is going to be very innovative.

Plus, I think the 5 year program is really cool. I have been thinking seriously about doing some research in med school (although I have not done any historically). After all, even long-time research folks started somewhere, right.

Anyway, I have an interview at CWRU, and intend to ask about the Lerner program while I am there.

Judd
ps. I think you do your first two science years at CWRU med, but I could be wrong about this. In any event, the new education complex they built last year at the Clinic is Freaking STUNNING (although, a new research building went up at CWRU and is also opening this Spring, I think). CWRU and Lerner are going to be great places to be, I think. Congradulations on your interview. I think the program--even though this is the first year--is VERY competitive.

 

[juddson]

BTW, Are you August scores back yet, or do you think your April scores were good enough to get the interview?

Judd

 

[Neuronix]

How do the finances work for that program? Do you have to pay for 4 years of med school or what?

 

[juddson]

Yes,

4 years of CWRU med tuition + a small "continuation" fee for the 5th year. It's not a PhD program.

Judd

 

[Dr. Xavier]

5 years for med school F dat. I rather finish in 4 at finch and start getting paid and knocking out my res.

 

[Gleevec]

I thought the Cleveland Clinic 5-year MD program was supposed to be free if you committed to being an academic physician for a certain number of years, otherwise you had to pay them back? Was this something different?

 

[OhioMD]

Thanks Judd for the kind words and info.

No I won't get my August MCAT scores until October, I guess my April scores were good enough!

I am a nontraditional applicant who is a HHMI research fellow currently. I have significant research experience but would like to incorporate a clinical angle. I also have extensive volunteer experience at the UCLA medical center as well as several leadership activities. I guess that the MCAT scores are less relevant for my application. I think most schools are waiting for my August scores since that is their customary procedure.

But I am glad Cleveland Clinic is out of the ordinary!

I am not sure about the financial situation as of yet, I will let you know when I find out.


Best Regards



😀

 

[MacGyver]

Originally posted by Gleevec
I thought the Cleveland Clinic 5-year MD program was supposed to be free if you committed to being an academic physician for a certain number of years, otherwise you had to pay them back? Was this something different?

Uhh... I seriously doubt that CWRU/Cleveland Clinic wants to subsidize educations for people who will spread around the whole country.

why would they want to do that? The only kind of setup I can see for that is for a state or federal funded med school.

A private med school has nothing to gain from that kind of setup.

 

[mpp]

Originally posted by MacGyver
Uhh... I seriously doubt that CWRU/Cleveland Clinic wants to subsidize educations for people who will spread around the whole country.

why would they want to do that? The only kind of setup I can see for that is for a state or federal funded med school.

A private med school has nothing to gain from that kind of setup.

Mayo, a private medical school, provides 100% tuition scholarships for half of its students (without any service commitment) and many dollars in scholarships for others and its students spread around the country. They are not federally or state funded. Their reasoning is that people should choose their career path in medicine regardless of their financial burden.

 

[MacGyver]

Originally posted by mpp
Mayo, a private medical school, provides 100% tuition scholarships for half of its students (without any service commitment) and many dollars in scholarships for others and its students spread around the country. They are not federally or state funded. Their reasoning is that people should choose their career path in medicine regardless of their financial burden.

How many dollars in uncompensated care did Mayo give out last year?

I bet its the lowest of all major academic medical centers on a per capita (as well as gross total) basis.

The truth is that Mayo is in a lily white rich suburb, so they are in a unique position to be that generous with funding.

 

[mpp]

I don't know figures on uncompensated care for academic medical centers. I highly doubt that Mayo is lowest or even close to the lowest as it is one of the largest and serves a huge rural area of the U.S. (and is not in a suburb either...there's no city around here that I can find). Cleveland Clinic is very similar to Mayo in its reputation which yields many satisfied patients that leave a lot of money behind. Do you know who Al Lerner was?

Every penny of the Mayo Medical School scholarships comes from benefactors and not from the clinic or hospitals. Each scholarship is named and when the opportunity arises we meet with our benefactors. This will likely be the case for the Cleveland Clinic program over time as well with the same reasoning. What private medical schools have to gain by providing hefty scholarships, is a better selection of students and a continuation of their mission.

 

[MacGyver]

Originally posted by mpp
I don't know figures on uncompensated care for academic medical centers. I highly doubt that Mayo is lowest or even close to the lowest as it is one of the largest and serves a huge rural area of the U.S. (and is not in a suburb either...there's no city around here that I can find). Cleveland Clinic is very similar to Mayo in its reputation which yields many satisfied patients that leave a lot of money behind. Do you know who Al Lerner was?

Every penny of the Mayo Medical School scholarships comes from benefactors and not from the clinic or hospitals. Each scholarship is named and when the opportunity arises we meet with our benefactors. This will likely be the case for the Cleveland Clinic program over time as well with the same reasoning. What private medical schools have to gain by providing hefty scholarships, is a better selection of students and a continuation of their mission.

Regardless.... the day a med school, ANY med school, provides free education to 100% of their students is the day that hell freezes over.

Of course, the military med school gives out "free" tuition, but only in exchange for a FORMAL contract where they control your life for 4 or 5 years.