Orthodontics Tuition

[Silent Cool]

UOP:
Tuition for the 2012-2013 academic year for the graduate orthodontics program is $88,986.

UPENN:
2012-2013 Orthodontics Residency Educational Expenses
Annual Fee $70,024

USC:
Direct Costs Year 1 Year 2 Year 3
Tuition $60,214 $71,938 $71,938

Seriously? How can anyone pay this? Dental school is approaching 400K now. We are looking at 700K for private dental and then ortho training? This is nuts!! Can any one chime in?? The only people who can pay for this are the rich. Un-freaking real.

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[Shnurek]

Seriously? How can anyone pay this? Dental school is approaching 400K now. We are looking at 700K for private dental and then ortho training? This is nuts!! Can any one chime in?? The only people who can pay for this are the rich. Un-freaking real.

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You can thank unlimited educational loan hand outs for this one. Don't like it? Don't do it.

 

[Silent Cool]

Of course I'm not going to. But who can afford to train in these careers????? Who is paying this? So much for education being "accessible and affordable."

 

[Shnurek]

Of course I'm not going to. But who can afford to train in these careers????? Who is paying this? So much for education being "accessible and affordable."

When you mess with the free market you artificially inflate certain goods. In this case these goods are education. I should start a petition to ban all federal student loans. Tuition rates would drop like rocks in the next 3-10 years.

 

[yappy]

It's crazy. The only people I can see doing it are the HPSP people or those who have rich parents.

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

There are other less expensive ortho programs in the country. You don't have to go to those expensive programs.

Vanderbilt ortho pays almost 50k a year for 3 years.

 

[mr24]

There are other less expensive ortho programs in the country. You don't have to go to those expensive programs.

Vanderbilt ortho pays almost 50k a year for 3 years.

true, but this is SDN, so we only talk about the extremes as tho they are the only option! get with the program. (sarcasm)

 

[Silent Cool]

That's true--there are cheaper programs. But there are not very many of them. I believe most programs charge tuition. In other words, good luck getting into a stipend-paying program. You may spend the rest of your life trying to get one of those spots.

 

[Frank22]

Doesn't financial aid cover a percentage of tuition?

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

Doesn't financial aid cover a percentage of tuition?

Financial aid will cover all of the tuition and living expenses.

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

That's true--there are cheaper programs. But there are not very many of them. I believe most programs charge tuition. In other words, good luck getting into a stipend-paying program. You may spend the rest of your life trying to get one of those spots.

Not if you're amazing.

 

[Silent Cool]

Good lord, check out the cost at UNLV:

Program Expenses
Tuition: $200,000 (8-trimesters 30+ month program)
$74,000 per year
Clinic Usage fees: $5,000 per Fall Semester
* Periodic tuition increases made at the discretion of the Board of Regents

http://dentalschool.unlv.edu/ortho.html#expenses

 

[Xplorer]

There are other less expensive ortho programs in the country. You don't have to go to those expensive programs.

Vanderbilt ortho pays almost 50k a year for 3 years.

Currently Vanderbilt has no tuition, and has a stipend for the 2 year duration of the program.

 

[Sublimazing]

It's rough if you have a ton of undergrad debt and d school debt... But starting ortho salaries are pretty good 🙂

 

[Silent Cool]

Sublimazing,

What kind of offers are you seeing out of the gate? Are these corporate office offers? Or are these from established practices (ie, associateship leading to partnership/buyout)?

 

[Silent Cool]

Here's a post I put over on dental town re: the tuition issue. check it out.

 

[Silent Cool]

er, sorry, here's the link:

http://www.towniecentral.com/Messag...=2&f=142&t=192249&g=1&st=orthodontics tuition

 

[Silent Cool]

bump.

 

[2012Ortho]

I dont know why you bumped, what do you expect people to talk about. Its a ton of money. Not every school is that much money. Even the ones that are a bunch the cost/benefit is still in your favor to do it. Not very exciting

 

[Cold Front]

Undergrad loans + Dental School loans + Residency loans + Opening Private Practice loan...

The $1 million debt route for sure - at least for those who are thinking about dentistry as a career choice.

 

[Silent Cool]

How much do you expect to earn as an established ortho?

 

[Jbrowndds]

You can always go back later. If you don't have the means just go back later.

 

[mixoma]

How much do you expect to earn as an established ortho?

The guys in my area (referral network) take home before taxes near 300k working 3-4 days a week, so pretty good I think. I have lunch once a month with the group the office Im at refers to and they all say that there income has been going down year over year do to economy and more GP's taking on ortho.

 

[yappy]

I think he has deep regrets about not going into dentistry.

I dont know why you bumped, what do you expect people to talk about. Its a ton of money. Not every school is that much money. Even the ones that are a bunch the cost/benefit is still in your favor to do it. Not very exciting

An ortho I've been shadowing, who is well established (17yrs of practice) was open with me by sharing his average earnings the past few yrs was ~ 450k @ ~4.5 clinical days per week depending on the year. In real terms he shared that this is marginally lower than 6 years ago pre-housing crash.

How much do you expect to earn as an established ortho?

 

[OncePreDent]

UOP:
Tuition for the 2012-2013 academic year for the graduate orthodontics program is $88,986.

UPENN:
2012-2013 Orthodontics Residency Educational Expenses
Annual Fee $70,024

USC:
Direct Costs Year 1 Year 2 Year 3
Tuition $60,214 $71,938 $71,938

Seriously? How can anyone pay this? Dental school is approaching 400K now. We are looking at 700K for private dental and then ortho training? This is nuts!! Can any one chime in?? The only people who can pay for this are the rich. Un-freaking real.

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This didn't age well...
UoP:
Tuition: $127,910.00

UPENN:
Annual Fee: $109,252

USC
Year 1:
$120,076
Year 2:
$120,076
Year 3:
$81,369

Ortho debt is a real thing. Plus the income really hasn't changed for orthos in the last 10 years

 

[D1Bound]

This didn't age well...
UoP:
Tuition: $127,910.00

UPENN:
Annual Fee: $109,252

USC
Year 1:
$120,076
Year 2:
$120,076
Year 3:
$81,369

Ortho debt is a real thing. Plus the income really hasn't changed for orthos in the last 10 years

Orthodontics is a really cool profession I hate to see this happen

 

[juniordentist]

In hindsight, those numbers from 2012 were a bargain...

I wonder if we'll be saying the same thing in 10 years? Will ortho be a sign that you are from a rich family because you'll need family money to become one? Like owning a designer LV handbag?

 

[2TH MVR]

I wonder if we'll be saying the same thing in 10 years? Will ortho be a sign that you are from a rich family because you'll need family money to become one? Like owning a designer LV handbag?

I don't think so. At some point...the bubble will burst. Too many private expensive Ortho schools churning out too many orthodontists. Supply and demand.

 

[juniordentist]

But that's the point, it will start to move into a market where supply and demand metrics don't apply. Right now, it's supply and demand balance is because people are weighing up whether it is worth pursing ortho based on the fact they need to repay the debt and make a living.
But what happens when being an orthodontist is a status symbol? A show that you are from a wealthy family? Then supply and demand won't matter.
I know lots of female dentists who became dentists as a status symbol. Many of them from Persian families and don't even work as a dentist but just wanted it to look good to their families and want a traditional stay at home lifestyle after all the years of study.
I see ortho becoming a status symbol, not a career.
Ortho tuition will keep rising far after supply and demand metrics go out of whack

 

[D1Bound]

But that's the point, it will start to move into a market where supply and demand metrics don't apply. Right now, it's supply and demand balance is because people are weighing up whether it is worth pursing ortho based on the fact they need to repay the debt and make a living.
But what happens when being an orthodontist is a status symbol? A show that you are from a wealthy family? Then supply and demand won't matter.
I know lots of female dentists who became dentists as a status symbol. Many of them from Persian families and don't even work as a dentist but just wanted it to look good to their families and want a traditional stay at home lifestyle after all the years of study.
I see ortho becoming a status symbol, not a career.
Ortho tuition will keep rising far after supply and demand metrics go out of whack

Dentistry a “status symbol.” People who think that after going through the training are fools

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Dentistry a “status symbol.” People who think that after going through the training are fools

Nothing screams status like the ability to have your hands in people’s mouths all day…

Big Hoss

 

[charlestweed]

But that's the point, it will start to move into a market where supply and demand metrics don't apply. Right now, it's supply and demand balance is because people are weighing up whether it is worth pursing ortho based on the fact they need to repay the debt and make a living.
But what happens when being an orthodontist is a status symbol? A show that you are from a wealthy family? Then supply and demand won't matter.
I know lots of female dentists who became dentists as a status symbol. Many of them from Persian families and don't even work as a dentist but just wanted it to look good to their families and want a traditional stay at home lifestyle after all the years of study.
I see ortho becoming a status symbol, not a career.
Ortho tuition will keep rising far after supply and demand metrics go out of whack

Wouldn’t it be much easier and cheaper to just lease a super nice car and wear that “rich status symbol” on the road? Everyone knows how expensive the car a person drives. One can lease a nice one for $1000-1500/month…. leases a different car every 3 yrs for the next 30 yrs and it’s still cheaper than spending 4 yrs of undergrad + 4 years of DDS + 2-3 yrs of ortho residency,

People rarely ask me what I do for a living. And I don’t think a lot of people ( I am an orthodontist and I don’t see this either) see that being an orthodontist shows that you’re from a wealthy family. I rarely introduce myself to people that I am a dentist. The only time I told people about my profession was when I applied for a business loan, applied for business permit at the city hall, or negotiated with the landlord about the office lease.

 

[juniordentist]

Wouldn’t it be much easier and cheaper to just lease a super nice car and wear that “rich status symbol” on the road? Everyone knows how expensive the car a person drives. One can lease a nice one for $1000-1500/month…. leases a different car every 3 yrs for the next 30 yrs and it’s still cheaper than spending 4 yrs of undergrad + 4 years of DDS + 2-3 yrs of ortho residency,

People rarely ask me what I do for a living. And I don’t think a lot of people ( I am an orthodontist and I don’t see this either) see that being an orthodontist shows that you’re from a wealthy family. I rarely introduce myself to people that I am a dentist. The only time I told people about my profession was when I applied for a business loan, applied for business permit at the city hall, or negotiated with the landlord about the office lease.

I think the world is changing. A nice car used to be a status symbol. Now they will finance car loans to anyone. My receptionist drives a BMW. I don't view a nice car as a status symbol anymore, unless it's a Bentley or something next level. People can buy second hand mercedes and BMWs that look rich to the untrained eye. Lots of people flex with the entry level mercedes, but to anyone who knows cars they know entry level mercedes are actually not that hard to get with a long enough loan

People are looking for the new thing that makes them look rich. Eventually education may look that way. People will view their degree as an accessory to their lives to show themselves a different income level to others

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I think the world is changing. A nice car used to be a status symbol. Now they will finance car loans to anyone. My receptionist drives a BMW. I don't view a nice car as a status symbol anymore, unless it's a Bentley or something next level. People can buy second hand mercedes and BMWs that look rich to the untrained eye. Lots of people flex with the entry level mercedes, but to anyone who knows cars they know entry level mercedes are actually not that hard to get with a long enough loan

People are looking for the new thing that makes them look rich. Eventually education may look that way. People will view their degree as an accessory to their lives to show themselves a different income level to others

I prefer to flex in a stanced Toyota Camry…

Big Hoss