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Its just sad that there are students who seem to believe the trash coming out of these so called professionals' mouths. Whats worse is how there are students who do not want to share this info outside of school with others...either due to embarassment or denial 🙁
 
J Lucas said:
I disaree! No, one is saying to paste a copy of your drivers license or anything extreme like that. The senior class pres "JohnHICP" introduced himself without revealing too much personal info with no problem..
This is so crazy. The only reason I keep checking this thread is hoping to see a post like "Hi Im "Jane" from HICP and If fed up with being lied to and disrespected to, if anyone else from our school feels the same way, please contact me so we can finally salvage whats left of our dignity and demand some answers!" :idea:
Or something along those lines.
JohnHICP was never the president there.
 
Pardon me, I forgot to posts some quotes directly from the mouth of David Monroe, Chief Operating Officer and co-owner of Hawaii College of Pharmacy, Dental Medicine, Pacific Blue University, etc.,etc.
6/15/2005--TownHall meeting
"Anyone who incites a riot--2 students talking stink and it escalates will be charged with a felony and never practice Pharmacy!!! If you push someone, it's an assault!!!" "Any type of subservient behavior is not tolerated!! If you think you can riot and demand things---THINK AGAIN!!!!! The Sky is Falling, anyone who emails me saying the sky is falling without facts, YOU'll HAVE A WORD W/ME!!! Anyone who confronts the new faculty/staff--YOU'RE GONE!! Anyone who CALLS ACPE!!!YOU'RE GONE!! and if you call and complain, and if you're complaint doesn't fall w/in the 29 Standards (there's 30 standards F.Y.I.)...You're Gone!!
Believe or Bail OUT.. I can make you whole Again" (Does he think he's GOD?)

This is just a bit of insight, so you may know what life is like for students at HICP and what they must endure at a Doctorate Program.
 
Caverject said:
JohnHICP was never the president there.

Thank god for that.

No, I'm glad to say im not quite shady or "political" enough to be that deceptive and scandalous.
 
lava2 said:
Pardon me, I forgot to posts some quotes directly from the mouth of David Monroe, Chief Operating Officer and co-owner of Hawaii College of Pharmacy, Dental Medicine, Pacific Blue University, etc.,etc.
6/15/2005--TownHall meeting
"Anyone who incites a riot--2 students talking stink and it escalates will be charged with a felony and never practice Pharmacy!!! If you push someone, it's an assault!!!" "Any type of subservient behavior is not tolerated!! If you think you can riot and demand things---THINK AGAIN!!!!! The Sky is Falling, anyone who emails me saying the sky is falling without facts, YOU'll HAVE A WORD W/ME!!! Anyone who confronts the new faculty/staff--YOU'RE GONE!! Anyone who CALLS ACPE!!!YOU'RE GONE!! and if you call and complain, and if you're complaint doesn't fall w/in the 29 Standards (there's 30 standards F.Y.I.)...You're Gone!!
Believe or Bail OUT.. I can make you whole Again" (Does he think he's GOD?)

This is just a bit of insight, so you may know what life is like for students at HICP and what they must endure at a Doctorate Program.
one of you guys need a tape recorder
 
Caverject said:
one of you guys need a tape recorder
Exactly. Document, Document, Document. If you have any hope of getting your money back, and you're being treated like that, I would personally tape/record digitally/video things like that and pack a few copies up and mail them to ACPE anonymously, with a letter explaining them. They will also be useful if a lawsuit comes about. I don't claim to know the legalities of such things, but I figure it's better to have it and it be "not admissable", than to not have it at all...
 
lava2 said:
Pardon me, I forgot to posts some quotes directly from the mouth of David Monroe, Chief Operating Officer and co-owner of Hawaii College of Pharmacy, Dental Medicine, Pacific Blue University, etc.,etc.
6/15/2005--TownHall meeting
"Anyone who incites a riot--2 students talking stink and it escalates will be charged with a felony and never practice Pharmacy!!! If you push someone, it's an assault!!!" "Any type of subservient behavior is not tolerated!! If you think you can riot and demand things---THINK AGAIN!!!!! The Sky is Falling, anyone who emails me saying the sky is falling without facts, YOU'll HAVE A WORD W/ME!!! Anyone who confronts the new faculty/staff--YOU'RE GONE!! Anyone who CALLS ACPE!!!YOU'RE GONE!! and if you call and complain, and if you're complaint doesn't fall w/in the 29 Standards (there's 30 standards F.Y.I.)...You're Gone!!
Believe or Bail OUT.. I can make you whole Again" (Does he think he's GOD?)

This is just a bit of insight, so you may know what life is like for students at HICP and what they must endure at a Doctorate Program.

😱 Wow....just wow. This really has excalated into something else. Sounds like they see the money ship is sinking and are getting very paranoid, especially with their other "school" at stake. I agree that someone needs to be documenting this stuff, start from day one, every communication, every event, every craziness.
 
JohnHICP said:
Thank god for that.

No, I'm glad to say im not quite shady or "political" enough to be that deceptive and scandalous.


Ummm… "political"? Didn't you run for treasurer and LOST? I think you want to be part of the political process in itself. Hypocrite? I think so.
 
JudynM said:
Let me rephrase: I am in no way writing about the word "attack" however I want the forum to be opened to anyone who wants to write even if it will hurts other.

I could actually careless less about you or what will happened to you. I have not made my point nor defend myself coherently. I know this only mades me look bad but I urge other to keep posting whatever they want even if it hurts me too. :idea:
If people follow the TOS they agreed to upon joining, the the forum remains open to them. However, no one is going to respect you unless you act respectable. The internet can be startlingly like real life. 😉
 
FutureRxGal said:
His/Her comment of "you are right" wasn't directed at you, as he/she quoted BMBiology, not you. :idea:

thank you FutureRxGal 👍
 
lava2 said:
Pardon me, I forgot to posts some quotes directly from the mouth of David Monroe, Chief Operating Officer and co-owner of Hawaii College of Pharmacy, Dental Medicine, Pacific Blue University, etc.,etc.
6/15/2005--TownHall meeting
"Anyone who incites a riot--2 students talking stink and it escalates will be charged with a felony and never practice Pharmacy!!! If you push someone, it's an assault!!!" "Any type of subservient behavior is not tolerated!! If you think you can riot and demand things---THINK AGAIN!!!!! The Sky is Falling, anyone who emails me saying the sky is falling without facts, YOU'll HAVE A WORD W/ME!!! Anyone who confronts the new faculty/staff--YOU'RE GONE!! Anyone who CALLS ACPE!!!YOU'RE GONE!! and if you call and complain, and if you're complaint doesn't fall w/in the 29 Standards (there's 30 standards F.Y.I.)...You're Gone!!
Believe or Bail OUT.. I can make you whole Again" (Does he think he's GOD?)

This is just a bit of insight, so you may know what life is like for students at HICP and what they must endure at a Doctorate Program.
To all the people who have following the SDN about HICP, I think I call myself the person on the other end of the negative thinking about school, which is optimistic about school and all the future. This is my first time on here and probably my last one because I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up. Just like some one said before, any new school would have it own drama and certainly our school had entertain a lot of people from the past. But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out. I mean why not make HICP become a better school and graduate sooner so the chance of making 100 grants is faster than you think. One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better. If you think I am wrong and believe in all the drama at school, I think you are read into the problem too much. Sure the firing of Dr. Batz and Dr. Miyahara was hard, but no body say anything when Dr. Merrit got fire. Professor come and go, and if you saying the new professor are not qualify then you are prejudice like anyone else because you never give them a chance to work with you. Even they are new but they work hard as anyone else. If they are not that qualify then the school will find another one, I am sure there are more people coming in. We all in the same boat and obviously all of the people who post all the negative up here are just barking like a "little female dog". You have nothing better to do than finding people's mistake to talk about. Hasan and Monroe they are just try to make it better when got personally verbal attack from other students for firing Batz and Miyahara. Think about it, when you open a school or a business and your employee try to tell you what to do and talk bad about the school with another school, wouldn't you want to fire that person. Anyway, I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel, we have a bunch of new staff and don't even think about husband and wife staff because there are a lot of other professor and we don't have to rely on one professor. About Susie Phan, yes she is new but think about this, Borja had been on board for almost one year and she did not do anything to improve our situation from the begining of the year. Susie just in and she already on everything by email all the students to ask where they want to be (borja take so damn long for that process) and found a new rotation site in Reno, it not much but hey, it a good start and make the process look much easier. I think we can go far once all the staff sit down and plan out for the new directions. I preferred the new staff since they are young,new and adapt to the new situtation better, rather for the old and slow and politic staff that we used to have. So for anyone who plan to go to school in HICP, don't buy into other negativity, they just want people to listen to their gossip so they can feel better about themselve. There are peopple try to study and pass the class everyday, they are good honest student and you should talk to those people, and yes our school ciriculum is very tough and highly qualify. I think our school will become big in the future and it depend on the believe of the students to the school. I am not kissing up to Hasan or Monroe but I think they are right, if you don't believe in school get out and don't be a cancer to other. People have to depend on the future of the school to make it. If you are smart, make the right choice by staying and help out the school as much as you can, because your future depend on it.
 
humbleRx said:
I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up.

You tell 'em. Good for you! 🙂
 
humbleRx said:
We all in the same boat and obviously all of the people who post all the negative up here are just barking like a "little female dog".

This is going in my rhetoric book. I wish I had thought of it first! :laugh: :laugh:
 
humbleRx said:
One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better.

What about the third side when you graduate (hypothetically) from HICP, can't sit for the NAPLEX and you're in debt 100 grants 🙄 ?
 
JTD1972 said:
What about the third side when you graduate (hypothetically) from HICP, can't sit for the NAPLEX and you're in debt 100 grants?

It's not "grant" - it's "grand". Here's a definition from dictionary.com : Slang. A thousand dollars: sold the car for six grand
 
humbleRx,

you seem to have high confidence in the school and know what's going on with it, so can you explain to us what is plan A & how it works?
 
HUMBLE RX

me understand no you when anything say you or what grants are they me positive hicp 1 number best ever school?!?.,;""",

I hicp like cuz know papers me write ever and accept still me school into cuz I money to blow have I.

luck good, need it you.
 
Jeddevil said:
HUMBLE RX

me understand no you when anything say you or what grants are they me positive hicp 1 number best ever school?!?.,;""",

I hicp like cuz know papers me write ever and accept still me school into cuz I money to blow have I.

luck good, need it you.

LMFAO, thats just wrong...

DayDreamer said:
Ummm… "political"? Didn't you run for treasurer and LOST? I think you want to be part of the political process in itself. Hypocrite? I think so.

Wanting to be involved with your school and do something productive has nothing to do with being "politcal" and scandalous/pathetic as our "leader" was. I can only guess who daydreamer is...
 
OoShimmeroO said:
It's not "grant" - it's "grand". Here's a definition from dictionary.com : Slang. A thousand dollars: sold the car for six grand

Thanks OoShimmeroO! It was my attempt at sarcasm by using "grants" as HumbleRX did instead of using grand. But thanks for posting the correct definition from the dictionary for anyone who didn't know that the word "grants" was being used incorrectly. 👍
 
Are the current students of HICP really thinking of returning in the fall for another semester? If anyone in this forum is returning, I'd like to know the reason.
 
humbleRx said:
Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out.

Allow me to propose an analogy:

One day Sally wakes up and decides that she wants to retire with a good nest egg, and not have to rely on social security. So, she devises a plan to spend $50 on lottery tickets every week, because eventually she'll hit the jackpot, and have lots of money to retire with.

After a year of scratching tickets every week, she hasn't gotten much more than a few small winners here and there. Then someone at her work tells her that she could just invest that weekly $50 into a 401(k), and pretty much be guaranteed a nice amount of money at retirement.

Now, what should Sally do? Should she keep buying lottery tickets, since she's already spent a year and lots of money doing so? ...or should she change plans to a safer 'sure thing', and start again at zero, but be assured of the outcome she's looking for?
 
pharmaz88 said:
Now, what should Sally do? Should she keep buying lottery tickets, since she's already spent a year and lots of money doing so? ...or should she change plans to a safer 'sure thing', and start again at zero, but be assured of the outcome she's looking for?

Now, you are making this decision far to logical but the HICP students won't understand. Here, let me put it in a form they will understand.

What, now sally should do? Should keep lottery tickets buying she, already spent many grants and year 1 so doing? ..... or she change plans should 'sure thing' safer, and again start zero at, be but assured the outcome of looking for she?

There, now I am sure they will get it. Good work pharmaz, you have just saved many HICP students many grants.
 
humbleRx said:
One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better.

For someone who doesn't know how to spell "grand" correctly, no wonder you don't have any other choice but to hope and believe because no other school will accept you. 👎
 
pharmaz88 said:
Now, what should Sally do? Should she keep buying lottery tickets, since she's already spent a year and lots of money doing so? ...or should she change plans to a safer 'sure thing', and start again at zero, but be assured of the outcome she's looking for?
Jeddevil said:
What, now sally should do? Should keep lottery tickets buying she, already spent many grants and year 1 so doing? ..... or she change plans should 'sure thing' safer, and again start zero at, be but assured the outcome of looking for she?

LMFAO :laugh: Nice translation Jeddevil 👍 Now for something more difficult............ Reverse translate the following:
humbleRx said:
I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up. Just like some one said before, any new school would have it own drama and certainly our school had entertain a lot of people from the past. But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out. I mean why not make HICP become a better school and graduate sooner so the chance of making 100 grants is faster than you think. One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better. If you think I am wrong and believe in all the drama at school, I think you are read into the problem too much.
 
humbleRx said:
This is my first time on here and probably my last one because I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up. Just like some one said before, any new school would have it own drama and certainly our school had entertain a lot of people from the past. But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out.
This reminds me of strongbad's "englilish paper". Please check it out:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail64.html
:laugh:
 
JohnHICP said:
LMFAO, thats just wrong...



Wanting to be involved with your school and do something productive has nothing to do with being "politcal" and scandalous/pathetic as our "leader" was. I can only guess who daydreamer is...
Our class president and his gf quitted the school for several weeks. Did you know that?
 
pharmDman8 said:
Are the current students of HICP really thinking of returning in the fall for another semester? If anyone in this forum is returning, I'd like to know the reason.
Many HICP students are thinking of returning next year because Dr. Hasan has tried his best to have title IV for HICP students. Waiting two more weeks and get the answer.... 😕 😕 😕
 
Jeddevil said:
Now, you are making this decision far to logical but the HICP students won't understand. Here, let me put it in a form they will understand.

What, now sally should do? Should keep lottery tickets buying she, already spent many grants and year 1 so doing? ..... or she change plans should 'sure thing' safer, and again start zero at, be but assured the outcome of looking for she?

There, now I am sure they will get it. Good work pharmaz, you have just saved many HICP students many grants.

to Jeddevil:
u know Jeddevil, not all of us at HICP talk or write like YOU. instead none of us write like you. you need to check your post first before submitting them in this forum.... that what the little thing called "spell-check, grammar check" use for.... GROW UP will ya!!!!!!!
to the rest of the forum:
i really appreciated if all of us provide more valuable comments/feedbacks that help the HICP students and those prospective students understand the situations better RATHER than making fun of the students or the way certain people write. if you are matured enough. then you know what i'm talking about and would take the time to think twice before posting. to the rest of the immatured people out there, just ignore this mesg and continue to make fun of others all u want.
 
hawaii90210 said:
to Jeddevil:
u know Jeddevil, not all of us at HICP talk or write like YOU. instead none of us write like you. you need to check your post first before submitting them in this forum.... that what the little thing called "spell-check, grammar check" use for.... GROW UP will ya!!!!!!!
to the rest of the forum:
i really appreciated if all of us provide more valuable comments/feedbacks that help the HICP students and those prospective students understand the situations better RATHER than making fun of the students or the way certain people write. if you are matured enough. then you know what i'm talking about and would take the time to think twice before posting. to the rest of the immatured people out there, just ignore this mesg and continue to make fun of others all u want.

This should read, "I really appreciate", not "appreciated". Learning present and past tense is a big part of grammar. The spell checker won't catch these. The same thing occurred with "If you are matured enough". This should read, "If you are mature enough". If you are trying to use past tense, then it should say, "If you have matured enough, then you would know what I'm talking about".

When half of the posters use poor grammar, it reflects poorly on the school. You have to write papers during pharmacy school. Who does the grading? Actually, how did you guys pass freshman english in college?
 
hawaii90210 said:
to Jeddevil:
u know Jeddevil, not all of us at HICP talk or write like YOU. instead none of us write like you. you need to check your post first before submitting them in this forum.... that what the little thing called "spell-check, grammar check" use for.... GROW UP will ya!!!!!!!
to the rest of the forum:
i really appreciated if all of us provide more valuable comments/feedbacks that help the HICP students and those prospective students understand the situations better RATHER than making fun of the students or the way certain people write. if you are matured enough. then you know what i'm talking about and would take the time to think twice before posting. to the rest of the immatured people out there, just ignore this mesg and continue to make fun of others all u want.

For some reason I am not surprised at all that you don't get it.
90210 (there's a mature show for you), I am sure that you are much more "matured" than me, and I "appreciated" your comments. They further proved my original point which I tried to put in a silly light to avoid saying this, but since you pushed the point, here goes: 9 out of 10 students from HICP who have shown up on this board have not been able to write in proper English. Your post above is another example of such. This shows how pathetic the school is since it will accept a majority of students who shouldn't have ever even passed freshman english. The fact that many of the students continue to come on here and defend the school after the school was revealed as a scam months ago, shows that they are not that bright either. I don't care what you do with your money, you can flush it down the toilet for all I care (that is what you are doing at HICP). But as a future pharmacist, schools like this hurt the entire group, and it sickens me that they have been able to find gullible enough people to pull off their scam.

Your understanded don't you that?!!!
 
i honestly think i get dumber every time i read this thread


and people.... i can't afford that!
 
hawaii90210 said:
to Jeddevil:
u know Jeddevil, not all of us at HICP talk or write like YOU. instead none of us write like you. you need to check your post first before submitting them in this forum.... that what the little thing called "spell-check, grammar check" use for.... GROW UP will ya!!!!!!!

I am sure that it's possible for someone who can't write very well to be a very adept and proficient pharmacist. However, the reality of the matter is, you WILL be judged by other professionals based on your writing skills.

If you want to be taken seriously by your peers, or anyone else whom you may have written contact with, you MUST communicate in proper English. ...unless you aspire to a 30-year career of working on a mail-order assembly line, in which case feel free to ignore my comments.
 
GetLost_Hawaii said:
Many HICP students are thinking of returning next year because Dr. Hasan has tried his best to have title IV for HICP students. Waiting two more weeks and get the answer.... 😕 😕 😕
Oh, I'm sure he'll get it in two weeks. By the way, when is tuition due? In 1.9 weeks? 😉
 
humbleRx said:
But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out. I mean why not make HICP become a better school and graduate sooner so the chance of making 100 grants is faster than you think. One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better.

You don't have to do pharmacy school. If you really want to become a pharmacist and you have the capacity to do so, you would be able to work hard, apply to other schools, REAL schools, and make it in. If HICP was and still is your only chance for pharmacy, maybe you should rethink your career plans. Wake up call, the pharmacy profession is no joke. Do not treat it as such! It's about time I took a plane over there and smacked yall upside the head.

If you no understandy, let me refer you to Jeddevil for a proper translation.


... ...I want 100 grants... for my 100 research projects.
 
After reading this article, I don't understand why Hasan would leave to come to HICP. He sounds like a decent guy...

http://starbulletin.com/2003/03/02/news/story1.html

The race to success
A pilot program at Waipahu High
is giving troubled kids a good
reason to come to school


Adrian Tauai, 16, used to get so bored in math class that he'd "throw the book away and find one reason to get thrown out of class."

His classmate at Waipahu High School, Crystal Cagata, kept "beefing" with the boys. Remo Williams, 15, got himself expelled a year ago for fighting with his teacher.

This year, all three students say they actually look forward to school, thanks to a magnetic new teacher at Waipahu High who specializes in turning around troubled teenagers. His name is Ha Hasan and his formula is building model hydroplanes.

"I have a temper, but I don't use it no more," said Williams, shrugging his broad shoulders. "I just try to focus on school right now. He's made me want to come to school, to strive for something."

Working from scratch with everyday materials like foam board and empty shampoo bottles, students in Hasan's class designed and created their own rocket-powered hydroplanes, 2-foot-long boats that skim over the water's surface on a cushion of air. Along the way, the 12 teenagers are learning math, science, hydrodynamics and aerodynamics.

Some of them are also discovering, for the first time, how it feels to succeed. Assigned to special education because of emotional and behavioral problems, they now find themselves the envy of the regular education kids.

"Everybody wants to be in this class," Cagata said with a knowing smile, her dark eyes sparkling.

At the recent Waipahu Cup Regatta, earsplitting hisses and blasts of smoke filled the air as competing craft raced along a 70-foot moat dug in the grass outside the classroom. The crowd erupted in cheers when Williams' boat pulled ahead of "Mr. Ha's" sleek model. The teenager's face lit up with joy as his teacher called out: "I got smoked!"

While the other students had been testing and refining their boats for months, Williams had no idea how his would perform. Expelled a year ago, the sophomore had been allowed back on campus just a month earlier, and rushed to complete his boat in time for the race.
"My boat did wonders for me," he said at the end of the heat, modestly adjusting his knit cap. "I've still got butterflies."

It was a rare moment in the limelight for someone whose young life has been streaked with anguish. Not only was he kicked out of school last February, but he was thrown out of his own home. He now lives in shelter provided by the Lighthouse church in Waipahu, he said.

"I'm trying to fix my life," he said. "I was hanging out with the wrong people. I used to drink, smoke, do weed. ... I'd like to thank our principal for letting us do this project. I'm honored to be in Mr. Ha's class."

Hasan, a former crew member on real hydroplanes, spent 10 years teaching in the Seattle school system. There he focused on "the real tough kids," gang members and juvenile delinquents, as early as elementary school. He went on to become an education professor at Eastern Michigan University, but missed the hands-on work with students.

When he was recruited away from his university job to come to Waipahu last fall, EMU's president gave him a two-year academic leave and predicted he'd be back in two weeks.

"Those two weeks are long gone," Hasan said with a grin, his safety mask pushed up into his curls. "I'm not going back."

"I wanted to do something that I felt was really worthwhile," he added. "I'm loving it."

Hasan's students, a combined class of freshmen through juniors, wouldn't have it any other way. "Mr. Ha, he's a good man, he's cool," said Tauai, a junior whose boat wound up the regatta champion. "I always used to cut out of school last year. This is my first time getting all A's."

Hasan, who has visited Hawaii for years, used to go by his initials, H.A., but was given the name "Ha" by a Hawaiian elder. It means "breath of life." People who know him find the name apt.

"He's energetic, always happy, it's almost unreal," Williams said. "He enjoys life to the fullest. That's my motto now, too...

"He's cool with you no matter what, as long as you try your best, as long as you don't swear. He wants us not only to do our work but show each other respect."
Behavior management is part of the lesson plan. Whenever anyone swears, for example, Hasan takes a marble out of the classroom poi bowl. Depending on the number of marbles left at the end of the week, the class celebrates with a potluck or even a field trip.

The students backtrack sometimes and fall into old patterns, Hasan said, but "we rebuild." Hasan recalled asking one recalcitrant student early in the school year, "What do I have to do to get you to follow instructions?"

"Just yell at me," the young man replied. Hasan told him he didn't want to resort to that. "We work a lot on throwing off the old ways," the teacher explained, "and accepting a more civilized approach."

Hasan is collaborating with Orlan Underwood, a special education English teacher at Waipahu, on the hydroplane project. Underwood had students write graphic descriptions of what their boats would look like before they were even built, then saw how well they matched up with reality. They had to write summaries of how boats travel in wind tunnels, and predict how theirs would perform.

The two teachers are documenting the hydroplane project as a possible pilot program for other public schools, videotaping it and keeping track of variables such as school attendance, behavior referrals and suspensions, as well as scores on curriculum content. They have already made presentations to teachers on Oahu and Kauai.

Waipahu Principal Patricia Pedersen said the project holds a lot of promise in that it integrates academics -- from geometry to English -- in a way that engages teenagers. Students in the class now throw around words like "template," "sponson" and "cowling" as easily as they once let loose with swear words. And they have a sense of accomplishment.

"They realize they have the ability to build something from complete scratch," she said. "It was true discovery from day one. What it's done to motivate the students is remarkable."

While the hydroplane project doesn't work for every student, said David Yamamoto, another special education teacher at Waipahu, "the ones that it works for, it really works."

"The kids have taken giant steps," Yamamoto said. "Crystal has really blossomed this year. She was a very tough girl, with a lot of anger. She doesn't even have a bit of that now. This is a really different Crystal."

"Mr. Hasan is very, very inspirational," Yamamoto added. "His attitude is infectious."

At the regatta, Cagata zigzagged among her classmates, most of whom are a foot taller than she is, offering them pats on the back and words of encouragement. When the trophies were handed out, she was named the team's Most Valuable Player.

The class will soon start on the next stage of their project, building more sophisticated hydroplanes from balsa wood, with gas engines and remote control units. They also have hopes of eventually getting their hands on a real hydroplane, owned by Jody Patten, a racing professional from Saskatchewan, Canada, who served as referee for the Waipahu regatta.

Cagata already knows what she wants to do next year, her senior year at Waipahu. She's signed on as a teacher's aide for "Mr. Ha."

"He's changed my life," she explained simply.
 
Caverject said:
After reading this article, I don't understand why Hasan would leave to come to HICP.

It is called greed. Money and power change people.
 
humbleRx said:
To all the people who have following the SDN about HICP, I think I call myself the person on the other end of the negative thinking about school, which is optimistic about school and all the future. This is my first time on here and probably my last one because I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up. Just like some one said before, any new school would have it own drama and certainly our school had entertain a lot of people from the past. But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out. I mean why not make HICP become a better school and graduate sooner so the chance of making 100 grants is faster than you think. One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better. If you think I am wrong and believe in all the drama at school, I think you are read into the problem too much. Sure the firing of Dr. Batz and Dr. Miyahara was hard, but no body say anything when Dr. Merrit got fire. Professor come and go, and if you saying the new professor are not qualify then you are prejudice like anyone else because you never give them a chance to work with you. Even they are new but they work hard as anyone else. If they are not that qualify then the school will find another one, I am sure there are more people coming in. We all in the same boat and obviously all of the people who post all the negative up here are just barking like a "little female dog". You have nothing better to do than finding people's mistake to talk about. Hasan and Monroe they are just try to make it better when got personally verbal attack from other students for firing Batz and Miyahara. Think about it, when you open a school or a business and your employee try to tell you what to do and talk bad about the school with another school, wouldn't you want to fire that person. Anyway, I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel, we have a bunch of new staff and don't even think about husband and wife staff because there are a lot of other professor and we don't have to rely on one professor. About Susie Phan, yes she is new but think about this, Borja had been on board for almost one year and she did not do anything to improve our situation from the begining of the year. Susie just in and she already on everything by email all the students to ask where they want to be (borja take so damn long for that process) and found a new rotation site in Reno, it not much but hey, it a good start and make the process look much easier. I think we can go far once all the staff sit down and plan out for the new directions. I preferred the new staff since they are young,new and adapt to the new situtation better, rather for the old and slow and politic staff that we used to have. So for anyone who plan to go to school in HICP, don't buy into other negativity, they just want people to listen to their gossip so they can feel better about themselve. There are peopple try to study and pass the class everyday, they are good honest student and you should talk to those people, and yes our school ciriculum is very tough and highly qualify. I think our school will become big in the future and it depend on the believe of the students to the school. I am not kissing up to Hasan or Monroe but I think they are right, if you don't believe in school get out and don't be a cancer to other. People have to depend on the future of the school to make it. If you are smart, make the right choice by staying and help out the school as much as you can, because your future depend on it.

Okay. You CLEARLY have been living under a rock. Have you not heard all the lies that Monroe and Hasan have been feeding you? Or do you just believe because you have no other choice?

To answer your questions that people did not care about Dr. Merritt leaving or getting fired or whatever.......People did care about the fact that Dr. Merritt was gone. Until this day, we still wonder what had happened to her. During the same time, we still had a DEAN. We weren't as worried then as we are now when the Assistant Deans got fired plus we still don’t have a DEAN.

About Dr. Borja, you do not have a clear understanding of what work she has done for us. Dr. Borja will be the president of the Hawaii Pharmacist Association. She was a great asset to HICP. I don't even think you even went up to her office to even talk to her or even got to know her. Did you know that she has been writing the ACPE report! Who else do you think wrote it? I'm sure you didn't know that. Does anybody know who is writing the report now?

You should worry about the new staff since they are young, fresh and INEXPERIENCED. What else is our tuition paying for? A Psychologist!!! :laugh:

You cannot deny the fact that they want to kick us out if we were to ever do something that is our RIGHT to do. Also, I believe that people forgot what FREEDOM OF SPEECH meant as well.

How can you call people CANCERS? This shows that you are NOT going to become a compassionate pharmacist.You are definitely not Humble either. You don't care what happens to anybody as long as you get that degree in the end but will not have a chance to sit for the board anyway. This shows that you have been brainwashed by Hasan and Monroe.

About our curriculum, it is a JOKE. They are going to have Dr. Belloto teach pharmacoeconomics????????? Excuse me? Yes, we definitely have a lot of faculty to choose from. What else are we taking? Oh yes, Library Sciences and Immunology.

What makes you think that the school can make it besides the fact that you believe? Believe in what? Give me some reasons that are legitimate since you have not clearly written it on here.
 
Wow, this thread has turned out to be quite dramatic and soap opera-ish.

By posting the quotes of Hasan and Monroe I wished to share the reality of HICP with others in the pharmacy community. These quotes were 100% factual and true. Though the truth may hurt for many students involved with HICP, it is much better that you are aware of it than not.
 
Lava2- How did you quote them? Did you record these speeches?
 
BMBiology said:
Lava2- How did you quote them? Did you record these speeches?
I typed what they said as they spoke, and clarified it w/others in the class. 👍 👍
 
Some students perhaps became offended by me posting these quotes; and other truths about the college. But, whether you want to admit it or not the truth shouldn't hurt----unless you are in denial or HIDING SOMETHING.

I will not bash the students wanting to believe in the HICP dream, b/c I was in your shoes. I understand completely why you cling so tightly to the notion that this College will succeed and triumph. But, before you post negativism about your classmates or others on this forum who merely wish to voice their thoughts, opinions, advice and truths please think. I have only posted truths about the College for your own good and the good of the Pharmacy profession.

Also, yes the large percentage of HICP students are not competitive enough to make it at a legit Pharmacy school. This IS A FACT! The students who know they are competitive enough to apply and interview at other programs will do so and opt for that. Yes, the English barrier is quite evident for a vast number of HICP students; it is clearly visible on this forum, as many have witnessed.
 
lava2

Thank you for posting up the truth. The truth will always set you free. It's only a matter of time when the whole truth will come out.
 
bbmuffin said:
i honestly think i get dumber every time i read this thread


and people.... i can't afford that!
This thread always gives me a good laugh, and an appreciation for Pharmacy programs that know what they're doing. :laugh:
 
humbleRx said:
To all the people who have following the SDN about HICP, I think I call myself the person on the other end of the negative thinking about school, which is optimistic about school and all the future. This is my first time on here and probably my last one because I think this is wasting a lot of my time reading all these junks that people think it worth to put it up. Just like some one said before, any new school would have it own drama and certainly our school had entertain a lot of people from the past. But aside from all that I think the school is make the best out of all the situation that we can have and I think we will make it in the long run. Let me ask a reality check question, since you already put 30 grants for the first year, why would you waste all that money, waste another year for doing nothing, and committed to another program which probably around 100 grants when you get out. I mean why not make HICP become a better school and graduate sooner so the chance of making 100 grants is faster than you think. One side owe 100 grants with three to 4 years (may be with a little cold feet) the other side owed 130 grants 5-6 years with a chance you are not getting admit since pharmacy school are hard to apply nowaday, so make your choice better. If you think I am wrong and believe in all the drama at school, I think you are read into the problem too much. Sure the firing of Dr. Batz and Dr. Miyahara was hard, but no body say anything when Dr. Merrit got fire. Professor come and go, and if you saying the new professor are not qualify then you are prejudice like anyone else because you never give them a chance to work with you. Even they are new but they work hard as anyone else. If they are not that qualify then the school will find another one, I am sure there are more people coming in. We all in the same boat and obviously all of the people who post all the negative up here are just barking like a "little female dog". You have nothing better to do than finding people's mistake to talk about. Hasan and Monroe they are just try to make it better when got personally verbal attack from other students for firing Batz and Miyahara. Think about it, when you open a school or a business and your employee try to tell you what to do and talk bad about the school with another school, wouldn't you want to fire that person. Anyway, I think there is a light at the end of the tunnel, we have a bunch of new staff and don't even think about husband and wife staff because there are a lot of other professor and we don't have to rely on one professor. About Susie Phan, yes she is new but think about this, Borja had been on board for almost one year and she did not do anything to improve our situation from the begining of the year. Susie just in and she already on everything by email all the students to ask where they want to be (borja take so damn long for that process) and found a new rotation site in Reno, it not much but hey, it a good start and make the process look much easier. I think we can go far once all the staff sit down and plan out for the new directions. I preferred the new staff since they are young,new and adapt to the new situtation better, rather for the old and slow and politic staff that we used to have. So for anyone who plan to go to school in HICP, don't buy into other negativity, they just want people to listen to their gossip so they can feel better about themselve. There are peopple try to study and pass the class everyday, they are good honest student and you should talk to those people, and yes our school ciriculum is very tough and highly qualify. I think our school will become big in the future and it depend on the believe of the students to the school. I am not kissing up to Hasan or Monroe but I think they are right, if you don't believe in school get out and don't be a cancer to other. People have to depend on the future of the school to make it. If you are smart, make the right choice by staying and help out the school as much as you can, because your future depend on it.

Eyes....hurt....

Paragraphs are not evil!!!
 
DayDreamer said:
Okay. You CLEARLY have been living under a rock. Have you not heard all the lies that Monroe and Hasan have been feeding you? Or do you just believe because you have no other choice?

To answer your questions that people did not care about Dr. Merritt leaving or getting fired or whatever.......People did care about the fact that Dr. Merritt was gone. Until this day, we still wonder what had happened to her. During the same time, we still had a DEAN. We weren't as worried then as we are now when the Assistant Deans got fired plus we still don’t have a DEAN.

About Dr. Borja, you do not have a clear understanding of what work she has done for us. Dr. Borja will be the president of the Hawaii Pharmacist Association. She was a great asset to HICP. I don't even think you even went up to her office to even talk to her or even got to know her. Did you know that she has been writing the ACPE report! Who else do you think wrote it? I'm sure you didn't know that. Does anybody know who is writing the report now?

You should worry about the new staff since they are young, fresh and INEXPERIENCED. What else is our tuition paying for? A Psychologist!!! :laugh:

You cannot deny the fact that they want to kick us out if we were to ever do something that is our RIGHT to do. Also, I believe that people forgot what FREEDOM OF SPEECH meant as well.

How can you call people CANCERS? This shows that you are NOT going to become a compassionate pharmacist.You are definitely not Humble either. You don't care what happens to anybody as long as you get that degree in the end but will not have a chance to sit for the board anyway. This shows that you have been brainwashed by Hasan and Monroe.

About our curriculum, it is a JOKE. They are going to have Dr. Belloto teach pharmacoeconomics????????? Excuse me? Yes, we definitely have a lot of faculty to choose from. What else are we taking? Oh yes, Library Sciences and Immunology.

What makes you think that the school can make it besides the fact that you believe? Believe in what? Give me some reasons that are legitimate since you have not clearly written it on here.

May be you were the only one care about Dr. Merrit, because obviously, I didn't care about her and the way I see it, there were a lot of students happy when she leave. The way she teach was very favortism. Tell students to shut up and stupid is not effective teaching. She only give the answer to those students come up and ask her one on one and she tried to penalize who did not come and talk to her. What kind of teaching is that?? She got fired because she tried to hurt the students by arrange an extra test because there are not much students come up to her and ask her question.
About Dr. Borja, yes she is famous and president of whatever Hawaii Pharmacist Association, but what is that getting for us?? nothing! In fact there were a lot of rotation sites had been withdrawn after she taking over the job from Monroe. I did talked to her about helping to get more extra sites in california and she did not want my help rather she want to control the process. In my understanding she seem to make the process harder than it look and that why a lot of site withdraw because they don't want that much of a trouble. I had friends from others school and they said their rotation site set up are really easy, and with Dr. Borja, it seem like you have to tackle a wall to get one site rotation. About ACPE report, the last time I check HICP got denied at the meeting with one of the fact that we can't find enough site for all the students, plus the format was inappropriate form. Don't even tell me she can't do everything, I think with the number of sites on this island and the mainland should be more than enough for all the students. Bottom line is, I want results, and I have not seen anything with the old professors, I am not favor anything with the new staffs but it is a good start. You might like some professor with good attitude or nice to you, but if their work output is not much you have to consider them again. Also, I happen to like Dr. Belloto and I think he is more than qualify to teach us. Yes, I know he had short fuse but he did a very good job with Pharmacokinetic and pharmacoceutic. He keep remind us about people's mistake on calculation and tell us about real pharmacy experience, I think that is very important for anyone who work in hospital pharmacy. Immunology, I happen to like Dr. Gosnell, and I think he did a wonderful job in term of teaching. If any students who don't pass his class, would struggle through Infective Disease and Oncology Class for second year. About library, i just think it a sad story that we have to substitute that class for drug info. But overall, I think our program had a lot of qualify professors and we should be proud of what we achieved.
About the Dean, I love Dr. B but I think he is not qualify to be our dean since he had not involve with pharmacy field for so long. Even though he is working in the research field of medical for a long time. I think there are some school right now are without one, I know it have nothing to do with us, but give it some time and I am sure there are more people apply once we get more faculty in. They will bring more qualify people in. I think with a crowded staff, we can network more people, and through time the school can select who is the BEST person for the job.
I just think people who come up here are just try to find negative thing to talk and criticise, I got something to say to you. Bunches of hippocrite! For your information, some of the students who can not write in perfect English happen to be top of the class. If any of you hippocrite think you have better writting in English, why don't you pass the class like those students. Let me guess "external locus control???" Yes I know writting a good english paper is very important but I think the essential is output and if anyone happen to be work in the writting environment, he or she will learn to adapt. Even some people who are born in American still have time to struggle for writing in English. I think I had proven my point, obviously students who come up here find the negativity about the school had either a "cold feet" or really a hypocrite. Yes this apply to you Tony!!! I can't talk for everyone who have believe in school and stay. Just think about this, when you build a new school and there are a lot of obstacles on the road, you don't turn around to your partner and criticise them. And worse, you tell all the people about all of our negativity, make it look like our school is some kind of scam. Have you ever ask yourself what if the school really make it, then you are obviously try to bring them down. Compassionate is try to help whatever you can when the school is struggle, and obviously a lot of you up here did not do that. At least say something nice about your school. If you really listen to monroe and hasan said before the word expell you, they also mention that if you get caught cheating, fighting, disrepect professor, or call ACPE to jeopardise the school process of accreditation you will get kick out of school. I think it is fair to say that if you ever committed to any of those crime. I am not brainwashed by anyone, and this is what I see and this is what I think.
Anyway, study hard and don't talk trash about our school, let others know that our school is a qualify program. All of the students are part of the program so at least talk nice about it. Help our school to be a better place!
 
humbleRx said:
May be you were the only one care about Dr. Merrit, because obviously, I didn't care about her and the way I see it, there were a lot of students happy when she leave. The way she teach was very favortism. Tell students to shut up and stupid is not effective teaching. She only give the answer to those students come up and ask her one on one and she tried to penalize who did not come and talk to her. What kind of teaching is that?? She got fired because she tried to hurt the students by arrange an extra test because there are not much students come up to her and ask her question.
About Dr. Borja, yes she is famous and president of whatever Hawaii Pharmacist Association, but what is that getting for us?? nothing! In fact there were a lot of rotation sites had been withdrawn after she taking over the job from Monroe. I did talked to her about helping to get more extra sites in california and she did not want my help rather she want to control the process. In my understanding she seem to make the process harder than it look and that why a lot of site withdraw because they don't want that much of a trouble. I had friends from others school and they said their rotation site set up are really easy, and with Dr. Borja, it seem like you have to tackle a wall to get one site rotation. About ACPE report, the last time I check HICP got denied at the meeting with one of the fact that we can't find enough site for all the students, plus the format was inappropriate form. Don't even tell me she can't do everything, I think with the number of sites on this island and the mainland should be more than enough for all the students. Bottom line is, I want results, and I have not seen anything with the old professors, I am not favor anything with the new staffs but it is a good start. You might like some professor with good attitude or nice to you, but if their work output is not much you have to consider them again. Also, I happen to like Dr. Belloto and I think he is more than qualify to teach us. Yes, I know he had short fuse but he did a very good job with Pharmacokinetic and pharmacoceutic. He keep remind us about people's mistake on calculation and tell us about real pharmacy experience, I think that is very important for anyone who work in hospital pharmacy. Immunology, I happen to like Dr. Gosnell, and I think he did a wonderful job in term of teaching. If any students who don't pass his class, would struggle through Infective Disease and Oncology Class for second year. About library, i just think it a sad story that we have to substitute that class for drug info. But overall, I think our program had a lot of qualify professors and we should be proud of what we achieved.
About the Dean, I love Dr. B but I think he is not qualify to be our dean since he had not involve with pharmacy field for so long. Even though he is working in the research field of medical for a long time. I think there are some school right now are without one, I know it have nothing to do with us, but give it some time and I am sure there are more people apply once we get more faculty in. They will bring more qualify people in. I think with a crowded staff, we can network more people, and through time the school can select who is the BEST person for the job.
I just think people who come up here are just try to find negative thing to talk and criticise, I got something to say to you. Bunches of hippocrite! For your information, some of the students who can not write in perfect English happen to be top of the class. If any of you hippocrite think you have better writting in English, why don't you pass the class like those students. Let me guess "external locus control???" Yes I know writting a good english paper is very important but I think the essential is output and if anyone happen to be work in the writting environment, he or she will learn to adapt. Even some people who are born in American still have time to struggle for writing in English. I think I had proven my point, obviously students who come up here find the negativity about the school had either a "cold feet" or really a hypocrite. Yes this apply to you Tony!!! I can't talk for everyone who have believe in school and stay. Just think about this, when you build a new school and there are a lot of obstacles on the road, you don't turn around to your partner and criticise them. And worse, you tell all the people about all of our negativity, make it look like our school is some kind of scam. Have you ever ask yourself what if the school really make it, then you are obviously try to bring them down. Compassionate is try to help whatever you can when the school is struggle, and obviously a lot of you up here did not do that. At least say something nice about your school. If you really listen to monroe and hasan said before the word expell you, they also mention that if you get caught cheating, fighting, disrepect professor, or call ACPE to jeopardise the school process of accreditation you will get kick out of school. I think it is fair to say that if you ever committed to any of those crime. I am not brainwashed by anyone, and this is what I see and this is what I think.
Anyway, study hard and don't talk trash about our school, let others know that our school is a qualify program. All of the students are part of the program so at least talk nice about it. Help our school to be a better place!
English translation?
 
If you stop talking these nonsense then maybe we will....jesus christ.
 
humbleRx said:
Even some people who are born in American still have time to struggle for writing in English. I think I had proven my point

Yes, you have.
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