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[ZhengYing]

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What exactly are you doing to bring awareness to the situation at HICP that warrants such strong language against your fellow classmates?

JTD1972
That's because the students are in everyway just as vital to the success of HICP as anything else.

Students bash on the administration for all of their dispair, but at the same time its these same students that believe any problem should be resolved by the skool.

As a result of this kind of thinking the skool takes advantage of them and progress can never be made.

 

[ZhengYing]

What have you done personally to confront this issue besides post on SDN?[/QUOTE]

If you're a Hasan spy, then I don't wanna talk to you.

 

[ZhengYing]

Empathy? What about common sense? Alot of us here are all pre-pharm applicants and had every opportunity to apply to HICP but chose not to. Things just didnt add up especially when they were demanding you to pay the full tuition out of pocket..come on...
PERSONALLY, I believe that a large majority of the applicants knew EXACTLY what they were getting into. They believed that HICP was their only shot at becoming a Pharmacist anytime soon and manipulated whoever and whatever to get a shot at attending this fantasy school in paradise.
Call me whatever but how could you allow your grandparents or parents to re-mortgage their home and/or take out money from their retirement plans for an unaccreditted school in Hawaii?

thanks for making me feel like sh*$T

 

[JTD1972]

JTD1972
That's because the students are in everyway just as vital to the success of HICP as anything else.

Students bash on the administration for all of their dispair, but at the same time its these same students that believe any problem should be resolved by the skool.

As a result of this kind of thinking the skool takes advantage of them and progress can never be made.

I understand what you're saying ZhengYing, but really my question is this: Are you a student that is being proactive and voicing your opinion at HICP? This is what you said about your fellow classmates:

My advice to you is, get out of your nutshell, open your mouth, and speak up. You low-life piece of sh$*t, bunch of junkies.....back stabber....fakers....me-first backseat son of bitches! Personally, I dislike many students at HICP for their cowardness and unwillingness to speak up. I can't stand them!!! Their just low-life piece of sh(*$t, junkies, back-stabbing, fakers, backseat bitches, whom i would never take to war with me.

What makes you any different than the students you are bashing? How have you spoken up about your school?

 

[JohnUNLV]

Quick update:
Kristen Consillio from the Pacific Business News finished her story today on HICP, it will come out Friday. I hope she quoted me correctly, she didn't tell me what she put or anything, so I guess we'll all find out together. Also, Stewart from the Star Bulletin's story should be coming out some time in the next week. Kristen didn't have enough time to put EVERYTHING into her article, so it will just be more of an overview. Stewart's should include a little more detail, we'll see.

Also, to everyone, especially current and former HICP students, the DCCA is currently taking complaints about HICP and has two officers working full time on our situation, so please go to their website and file your complaint, the more complaints and information they receive the better it is for all of us. Please start standing up for yourselves and do something about our situation.

 

[bananaface]

Darn it....sorry about that Banana....I guess I wasn't thinking early this morning when I did it...I just thought it was funny....

wimpers off to a corner.....

It's all good.

 

[pharmDman8]

Here's what I found on HigherEdJobs.com. If you read through it, you will notice that nowhere in the job description states that you need ANY pharmacy experience. So I guess the person in charge of developing a pharmacy curriculum does not need any pharmacy experience. 👎

Assistant Dean of Curriculum
Institution:
Hawaii College of Pharmacy
Location: HI - Kapolei
Category: Admin - Instructional and Curriculum Design
Executive - Other Executive
Admin - Admissions and Enrollment
Posted: 07/07/2005
Application Due: Open Until Filled
Type: Full Time
Notes: Posting included on Affirmative Action email

The Hawaii College of Pharmacy invites applications for the position of Assistant Dean of Curriculum. The Hawaii College of Pharmacy seeks a dynamic, articulate, energetic leader who will build on the colleges' strong foundation and effectively address future opportunities and challenges.

Responsibilities
The Assistant Dean of Curriculum serves a fundamental role in the daily operations of the college as well as providing strategic planning for long range enrollment forecasts and programming. It is the primary responsibility of the Assistant Dean of Curriculum to use enrollment data to plot projections and work with the department chairs to optimize course scheduling and enrollment each semester.

Essential Functions
* Responsible for the creation and implementation of a comprehensive strategic enrollment management plan for the college.
* With the Registrar's Office, plots enrollment trends, provides data and analysis, and works with academic departments to facilitate better academic planning at the department level.
* Oversees self studies conducted by academic departments. Provides data for the reports and functions as liaison for external faculty reviewers.
* Consults with academic departments concerning curricular initiatives targeted to improve maintenance and graduation tolls.
* Maintains enrollment and statistical reports.
* Maintains appropriate local, regional, and national professional affiliations to ensure current enrollment /maintenance strategies and practices.
* Tracks all curricular changes for the college. Maintains official record of curricular changes approved by the Dean.
* Reviews Intent to Plan documents produced by departments and provides feedback pertaining to enrollment and curricular issues.

Knowledge, Skills and Abilities:
* Working knowledge of institutional research as it relates to Enrollment Management practices, curriculum planning, and scheduling
* Demonstrated experience in the creation and interpretation of academic policies and procedures.
* Ability to conduct public presentations and build effective relationships with both internal and external constituencies.
* Ability to interact with students, faculty and staff of diverse backgrounds.

Desired Qualifications
* Minimum of five to seven years of appropriate responsible administrative and staff supervision experience in a higher education setting.
* Extensive knowledge and understanding of curriculum design and implementation and course scheduling practices.
* Demonstrated ability to manage in a complex organization.
* EDD preferred but Ph.D. is acceptable
* Prior experience working closely with faculty, serving on academic committees, and representing the interests of an academic unit at the university level.
* Strong staff training and development skills.
* Strong oral and written communication skills.
* Outstanding leadership and organizational skills.

Application Process
A complete application will include a letter of application, current vita, and the names, addresses and phone numbers of at least three references. Only complete applications will be considered. Nominations will not be considered.
Applications should be mailed to:
Hawaii College of Pharmacy
Dr. H.A. Hasan, Dean / Assistant Dean of Curriculum
949 Kamokila Blvd, Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707

Contact information: Dr. H. A. Hasan; email: [email protected]
Federal law requires proper documentation of identity and employability prior to final consideration for this position. Hawaii College of Pharmacy offers equal opportunity to its employees and applicants for employment without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, creed, political affiliation, sexual orientation, gender, age or disability.
Hawaii College of Pharmacy is an Equal Opportunity Employer

 

[GetLost_Hawaii]

Quick update:
Kristen Consillio from the Pacific Business News finished her story today on HICP, it will come out Friday. I hope she quoted me correctly, she didn't tell me what she put or anything, so I guess we'll all find out together. Also, Stewart from the Star Bulletin's story should be coming out some time in the next week. Kristen didn't have enough time to put EVERYTHING into her article, so it will just be more of an overview. Stewart's should include a little more detail, we'll see.

Also, to everyone, especially current and former HICP students, the DCCA is currently taking complaints about HICP and has two officers working full time on our situation, so please go to their website and file your complaint, the more complaints and information they receive the better it is for all of us. Please start standing up for yourselves and do something about our situation.

Thanks John
This is their website http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/consumer_complaint/

 

[JohnUNLV]

Thanks John
This is their website http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/consumer_complaint/

Beautiful. Everyone take 5-10 minutes, fill out the form, describe all of the injustices we have endured and how you feel they are robbing us and lying to us.

 

[DayDreamer]

Has anybody talk to Mark Richards from the Maryl Group yet?

 

[BMBiologiey]

And another note: Is there any other PharmD student, or let alone any other regular student, out there in the the U.S. that has a school hire a psychologist for all the students....it seems like they are admittingly and knowingly scamming us becuz they have this professional MIND/BRAIN-manipulator of a psychologist to help them try and alter the emotions and reality of what is REALLY going on. 👎 They are so stupid that they are even incriminating themselves.

Yes, many schools have psychologists. They are called COUNSELORS and they carry degrees in the field of psychology.

 

[BMBiologiey]

Has anybody talk to Mark Richards from the Maryl Group yet?

Are your referring to the guitarist for the Rolling Stones?

 

[BMBiology]

Are your referring to the guitarist for the Rolling Stones?

hello BMBiologIEY? I knew you would post one day. Somebody warned me about you trying to impersonate me! You are truly pathetic and for that, I will file another formal complaint then post it here. Thanks for reinforcing my desire to keep on fighting!

Banana- can you please ban this person?

 

[BMBiologiey]

hello BMBiologIEY? I knew you would post one day. Somebody warned me about you trying to impersonate me! hehe

Glad to meet you! 😍

 

[BMBiology]

Glad to meet you! 😍

By tomorrow, you will regret this. I promise you.

 

[HICPisGoingDown]

It is officially known that 2 other students have been kicked out because they were practicing their freedom of speech. Damn MONROE, HASAN, AND CRISWELL!!!!!! 😡

 

[BMBiologiey]

By tomorrow, you will regret this. I promise you.

Why? Do you also have a Trademark for your name like Hawaii College of Pharmacy(TM)? You're probably one of them (Hasan, Criswell, Monroe?).

Well...okey-dokey then BMBiology(TM), I'll change my name.

You are such a coward, hiding behind your keyboard.

Wow, you've been posting since 2003, making other people's lives miserable at that. Do you have a life? Do you still live with mommy and daddy in their basement? Or do they tuck you in at night?

Take your idle threats and shove them up your arse!

Dit con me may tec hang!

 

[lava2]

Yes, many schools have psychologists. They are called COUNSELORS and they carry degrees in the field of psychology.

Yes, many schools do have individuals that carry degrees in the field of psychology. However, if you knew anything about academia, or should I say anything about how legitimate colleges operate, than you would know that counselors are most likely referred to as "ACADEMIC COUNSELORS" to be exact. I guess I should of clarified myself for YOU since YOU need that SPECIAL assistance in understanding my points.

If you feel that the psychologist hired by the HICP is an "academic counselor", especially for a Doctor of Pharmacy program 😕 , than you should call him up yourself. I am sure his experience in the field of pharmacy is equivalent to many of the current leaders of the HICP:

Donald Kopf, Ph.D.
Psychologist
Helping people and organizations who want to change and grow.
direct: (808) 375-1177
email: [email protected]
website: http://DrKopf.com

 

[BMBiologiey]

If you feel that the psychologist hired by the HICP is an "academic counselor", especially for a Doctor of Pharmacy program 😕 , than you should call him up yourself. I am sure his experience in the field of pharmacy is equivalent to many of the current leaders of the HICP:

Good point. I concur.

 

[SaddamHasan]

 

[kristakoch]

Are your referring to the guitarist for the Rolling Stones?

Wouldn't that be KEITH Richards (duh - know your facts before trying to make fun of somebody)

 

[npage148]

OMG, i just read 35 pages of this train wreck. I would say that i want my morning back from, reading this all, but its the most entertaining thing i have done in a while. THis is seriosuly the worst thing i have seen in a long time. I feel truly sorry for all you the students that got screwed. I never understood how people could be so decietful and greedy. I hope all the masterminds get they just dessert and all the intellegent students move on to better things.

 

[JohnUNLV]

Here is the link to Stewart Yerton's article in the Star Bulletin:
http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/14/news/index2.html

I don't like that Stewart didn't paint the picture quite as bleak as it is. He kind of made Hasan seem like an okay guy who is trying to help students, when in fact he is a tyrant who is bullying the students and manipulating everyone.

Also, I didn't like my quote, when I say, "all they have is a voice", what I meant was that they would never use violence to get their way and that they are the ONLY ones left with a voice.

I surely hope that Kristen Consillio's article tomorrow is more more accusatory.

We all need to do some more research into Monroe's "companies" that are listed earlier in this thread, I am positive those were scams and shell companies as well. Also, can anyone investigate state senator Buen a little further? She is mixed up in all this as well and there is something really fishy going on.

 

[aubieRx]

Here is the link to Stewart Yerton's article in the Star Bulletin:
http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/14/news/index2.html

I don't like that Stewart didn't paint the picture quite as bleak as it is. He kind of made Hasan seem like an okay guy who is trying to help students, when in fact he is a tyrant who is bullying the students and manipulating everyone.

.

I disagree. I think the journalist did a good job of presenting the situation calmly and objectively and the facts of the case themselves show the school for what it is. I do not think hasan looks good in this article at all.

One particularly effective quote that was used:

"If you were afraid of me," Pooyan Mesdaghi said, "would you come bang on my window?"

 

[hawaii90210]

I disagree. I think the journalist did a good job of presenting the situation calmly and objectively and the facts of the case themselves show the school for what it is. I do not think hasan looks good in this article at all.

One particularly effective quote that was used:

I think the journalist did present the situation in a neutral way without taking anyone side and let's the public judge on that. I agreed that Hasan didnt look good at all in that article.
"Hasan, who said he had demonstrated for civil rights in the 1960s, said the sit-in was actually a riot which the school had to call police to stop." ---riot or not,should it be up to the police officer to determine that? this guy is a joke...

"Any inference that we approved a plan submitted by them is false," Wadelin said.--> another effective quote was used.

PLease send the newspaper link to ANYONE you know that interested in applying for pharmacy school in the future and spare them the troubles like we did go through here at HICP. thanks...
http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/14/news/index2.html

 

[JohnUNLV]

Get this, HICP has hired rent a cops for additional security hahaha
MR. Monroe was DRIVEN in a golf cart from his office to the lecture room, about 300 feet HAHA. Probably so that students didnt ask any questions. I love these two guys... I can't wait to see them in court.

 

[CityofAngels]

I have a friend who is currently a student at HICP and I spoke to him couple of days ago. I didn't want to acknowledge to him about the whole situation at HICP and just asked how things were. He said that everything is fine including his school work and told me that the school is great. He did not mentioned any negativity about the school. I think HICP has brainwashed him...... He doesn't know that I know the situations occuring at HICP through SDN. There must be something we could do. I think many students at HICP (like my friend) has been brainwashed by the faculties. 👎

 

[BMBiologiey]

He said that everything is fine including his school work and told me that the school is great. He did not mentioned any negativity about the school. I think HICP has brainwashed him......

Seek not the truth purported by others. Only you alone can discover what is real. If I had to write a paper on this, I would not merely rely on what has been said on SDN, and Star Bulletin, I would also do further research such a first person interview, calling the school. We rely too much on the Internet where anonymity and falsehood runs rampant. Where those who speak are belligerent and vindictive.

"Only you can prevent forest fires"...Mr. Smoke E.D. Bair

John vont insertion un grand et long bâton de viande vers le haut de votre âne

 

[BMBiology]

We rely too much on the Internet where anonymity and falsehood runs rampant. Where those who speak are belligerent and vindictive.

If you honestly think what we are saying is false, then point it and we can discuss about it. I challenge you.

 

[aubieRx]

MR. Monroe was DRIVEN in a golf cart from his office to the lecture room, about 300 feet HAHA. .

everytime I think that this thread/situation can't get any weirder it suddenly does

sounds like a gag off "the simpsons"

 

[pharmer_john]

everytime I think that this thread/situation can't get any weirder it suddenly does

sounds like a gag off "the simpsons"

Agreed! What a great soap opera. But we know what keeps everyone coming back.....What happend to the hot asain chick who's blog started this hole mess? Will she be part of the 100 who get promoted to season 2? Will she get her own spin off? Or is she a Hassan Fembot spy/enforcer?

Just trying to bring a little levity to the situation. Seriously though I feel for all the students. I have to admit I have been reading this thread for months but until I read the newspaper article link I guess I took it all with a grain of salt, it seemed unbelieveable. But the article verifies nearly everything reported in this thread the last several months. Very Scary! 👎
I hope everyone gets their tuition back, and somebody goes to jail.

 

[aubieRx]

and somebody goes to jail.

I also hope there is a shotgun wedding and a song and dance number where everyone has tap shoes and top hats

I just can't stay away from this thread due to its campness..... i am banning myself from these threads

 

[johnniewest]

Let me guess, he hired additional security after he found out those three expelled guys were going to court with him. Monroe is just trying to give some credence to the claim he made about the riot and unruly students. Afterall, he can not legally expel those 3 guys without proving that they pose a physical threat.

Get this, HICP has hired rent a cops for additional security hahaha
MR. Monroe was DRIVEN in a golf cart from his office to the lecture room, about 300 feet HAHA. Probably so that students didnt ask any questions. I love these two guys... I can't wait to see them in court.

 

[BMBiology]

Let me guess, he hired additional security after he found out those three expelled guys were going to court with him. Monroe is just trying to give some credence to the claim he made about the riot and unruly students. Afterall, he can not legally expel those 3 guys without proving that they pose a physical threat.

good analysis.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

-BMBiology:
I'm a new member at SDN. I'm a student at HICP who believe HICP is going down the hole. I've just been skimming through the threads/post...and I just want to say, I (we) want to thank you for taking your time to express your opinion and concerns and helping us deal with all this.

-To everyone else:
Thanks for understanding and for you support. We've been through a lot and NONE of use deserve to be treated this way. Some of you don't understand and think that we knew what we were getting into...honestly and truthfully, the "situation" is so "dynamic" that things change everday.

-To HICP student:
I'm doing something about the situation along with other people, and I'm trying to get other people to "Step-Up." What do you have to lose by steping up? You guys can just file out a DCCA (OCP) complaint form http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/consumer_complaint/ or you contact James Dooman at (808) 586-2630 , the Invesgitator assigned to the HICP case at DCCA-OCP.
Honestly, I am not afriad of being expelled because I'm doing nothing wrong and HICP acusations are false (esp for the 5 students). But be smart and do things in a "descrete" way if you don't want to deal with "HICP Trouble" and know you can TRUST and what to BELIEVE

-SaddamHasan
HAHA...thanks for the laughs. I like your style. We need humor to break the seriousness of the issue sometimes

 

[BMBiology]

Thank you for those kind words. I have heard from several HICP students that the new ACPE language #3 (requires regional accreditation) does not apply to HICP. However, it says:

"“In order to be eligible for initial or continuing accreditation, the Doctor of Pharmacy program must be part of an independent College or School of Pharmacy or a College or School of Pharmacy within a University, which is regularly incorporated and is a legally empowered postsecondary educational institution. The institution housing the College or School, or the independent College or School, must be accredited by a regional/institutional accreditation agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or another agency acceptable to the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education (ACPE). Accreditation standards call for a College or School of Pharmacy as an organizational unit and the administrative structure of the College or School of Pharmacy must provide for a Dean, who serves as the chief administrative and academic officer. Evaluation for purposes of initial or continued accreditation requires an invitation by the chief executive officer, or designate, of the institution.”

This clearly says that in addition to accreditation from the ACPE, every pharmacy school in the west coast needs accreditation from WASC (western regional accreditation) as well. This policy does not affect schools like ucsf, usc because they already have wasc accreditation but hicp does not.

http://www.acpe-accredit.org/news/default.asp

 

[lisi]

Thank you for those kind words. I have heard from several HICP students that the new ACPE language #3 (requires regional accreditation) does not apply to HICP. However, it says:

"“In order to be eligible for initial or continuing accreditation, the Doctor of Pharmacy program must be part of an independent College or School of Pharmacy or a College or School of Pharmacy within a University, which is regularly incorporated and is a legally empowered postsecondary educational institution. The institution housing the College or School, or the independent College or School, must be accredited by a regional/institutional accreditation agency recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or another agency acceptable to the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education (ACPE). Accreditation standards call for a College or School of Pharmacy as an organizational unit and the administrative structure of the College or School of Pharmacy must provide for a Dean, who serves as the chief administrative and academic officer. Evaluation for purposes of initial or continued accreditation requires an invitation by the chief executive officer, or designate, of the institution.”

This clearly says that in addition to accreditation from the ACPE, every pharmacy school in the west coast needs accreditation from WASC (western regional accreditation) as well. This policy does not affect schools like ucsf, usc because they already have wasc accreditation but hicp does not.

http://www.acpe-accredit.org/news/default.asp

You are absolutely correct. As part of the new standards, HICP will need to get accreditation from WASC as well. HICP is not exempt from this standard, nor is there a "grandfathering" policy. Schools that are not currently regionally accredited (and there aren't too many) will need to show ACPE that they are progressing and have a plan to attain regional accreditation in order to either maintain their current full accreditation status or advance from pre-candidate to candidate or from candidate to full.

As I have posted before, HICP's problems with ACPE go a helluva lot deeper than having 231 students. Therefore, initiating "Plan B" will not save HICP. To wit, the following (and at the risk of reiterating myself from previous posts, but hopefully with some indulgence, because there are still apparently some HICP students/administrators visiting this site who still don't "get it"):

1. Plan B violates ACPE standards for progression of students, not to mention policies for any regional accrediting organization.
2. Hasan's background as far as the information has been given, violates ACPE's standards for qualification of the dean.
3. To my knowledge, there has been no plan set forth for how HICP expects to attain regional accreditation, which will violate ACPE standards (and by the way, the process for WASC accreditation involves first an application of eligibility which requires the institution to have enrolled students for 3 years and to have financial audit data for 2 years, then they have to be authorized for a site visit for determination if they meet criteria for candidate status with WASC, then, according to WASC's own accreditation handbook, most institutions need the full 4 years of candidate status to achieve full accreditation status with them) which brings me to:
4. Financial audit data: Has HICP had a financial audit by an independent auditing firm? Annual audit data is also required by ACPE standards.
5. Remember also that the "Parents mortgage the house" Financial Aid plan will be in effect until HICP attains candidate status from WASC (not ACPE). This is required by the federal government in order for the institution to be eligible for the federally guaranteed student loan programs.
6. Hasan was quoted in the article as stating that they had 150 sites for experiential training. Even under Plan B, HICP will have more than 200 students. Do the 150 sites achieve ACPE standards of quality, diversity, and appropriate level of training for all experiences in the curriculum?
7. Hasan was also quoted as stating that they had 26 full/part time faculty. What's the actual breakdown? There's a big difference between 6 full time and 20 part time and 20 full time and 6 part time. Are these faculty qualified? They've advertised in AACP publications for a dean, but not for faculty. Where are they getting all of these qualified faculty? Apparently, their ad for a dean wasn't successful, since they decided to promote Hasan from Interim to Full dean. Also, the aggregate opinion of academic pharmacy is reflected in a recent AACP board decision to deny affiliate status for HICP within that organization.

That's just 7 items to consider as food for thought. I'm sure that this isn't an exhaustive list and ACPE's competent Board members will think of some others if HICP does, indeed, ever submit another application for consideration of candidate status.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

3. To my knowledge, there has been no plan set forth for how HICP expects to attain regional accreditation, which will violate ACPE standards (and by the way, the process for WASC accreditation involves first an application of eligibility which requires the institution to have enrolled students for 3 years and to have financial audit data for 2 years, then they have to be authorized for a site visit for determination if they meet criteria for candidate status with WASC, then, according to WASC's own accreditation handbook, most institutions need the full 4 years of candidate status to achieve full accreditation status with them) which brings me to:

I have question about this. If ACPE now requires new pharmacy programs to have regional accreditation (WASC, SACS, etc.) it sounds like it would be very difficult for an independent college of pharmacy (not affiliated with an established, previously accredited instituion) to ever gain accreditation.

In other words, the University of Louisville (already SACS accreditated) could start a program and immediately begin the process of applying for ACPE accreditation, but if I wanted to start the Louisville School of Pharmacy (independent, from the ground up), I would need to first attain regional accreditation, then ACPE.

If it takes three years of enrolling students before you can get regional accreditation, then several more years to get ACPE, how would you persuade students to enroll, given that full accreditation is at best 5-6 years down the road?

It sounds to me like starting an independent school of pharmacy would be almost impossible, from an accreditation standpoint - or am I misunderstanding?

I guess this isn't really about HICP, but it is interesting to me!

 

[sharky2005]

Wasnt there suppose to be another article about HICP today other than the one on wednesday on Star-Bulletin? If yes, can someone give me a link. Thanks.

 

[lisi]

I have question about this. If ACPE now requires new pharmacy programs to have regional accreditation (WASC, SACS, etc.) it sounds like it would be very difficult for an independent college of pharmacy (not affiliated with an established, previously accredited instituion) to ever gain accreditation.

In other words, the University of Louisville (already SACS accreditated) could start a program and immediately begin the process of applying for ACPE accreditation, but if I wanted to start the Louisville School of Pharmacy (independent, from the ground up), I would need to first attain regional accreditation, then ACPE.

If it takes three years of enrolling students before you can get regional accreditation, then several more years to get ACPE, how would you persuade students to enroll, given that full accreditation is at best 5-6 years down the road?

It sounds to me like starting an independent school of pharmacy would be almost impossible, from an accreditation standpoint - or am I misunderstanding?

I guess this isn't really about HICP, but it is interesting to me!

Your sense is correct. The new standards make it extremely more difficult for an independent pharmacy school to get started. I don't think it would be impossible; however, it would most likely mean that a new, independent school of pharmacy would have to have a pretty solid plan and timeline for also achieving regional accreditation.

As an aside, many other agencies that accredit professional programs require regional accreditation as a prerequisite to consideration for programmatic accreditation as well---nursing, and PA just to name two.

 

[BMBiology]

If it takes three years of enrolling students before you can get regional accreditation, then several more years to get ACPE, how would you persuade students to enroll, given that full accreditation is at best 5-6 years down the road?

I think the college may apply for WASC and ACPE accreditation concurrently. So it may not take 5-6 years.

 

[JohnUNLV]

I hope everyone gets their tuition back, and somebody goes to jail.

That pretty much sums up my goals. Also, make sure that those applying to the dental school dont have their lives ruined as all.

 

[JohnUNLV]

5. Remember also that the "Parents mortgage the house" Financial Aid plan will be in effect until HICP attains candidate status from WASC (not ACPE). This is required by the federal government in order for the institution to be eligible for the federally guaranteed student loan programs.
6. Hasan was quoted in the article as stating that they had 150 sites for experiential training. Even under Plan B, HICP will have more than 200 students. Do the 150 sites achieve ACPE standards of quality, diversity, and appropriate level of training for all experiences in the curriculum?
7. Hasan was also quoted as stating that they had 26 full/part time faculty. What's the actual breakdown? There's a big difference between 6 full time and 20 part time and 20 full time and 6 part time. Are these faculty qualified? They've advertised in AACP publications for a dean, but not for faculty. Where are they getting all of these qualified faculty? Apparently, their ad for a dean wasn't successful, since they decided to promote Hasan from Interim to Full dean.
Also, the aggregate opinion of academic pharmacy is reflected in a recent AACP board decision to deny affiliate status for HICP within that organization.

5. We were told a billion times that all we needed was ACPE candidate status to be Title IV approved and be eligible for student loans. If what Lisi is saying is correct, then that is simply more fraud being committed by saddam Hasan and we have an even stronger case.
6. If there were 150 sites for EPPE, how come only 80 students were allowed to participate this year? Because they do NOT have that many sites. Also, these were ALL nursing care facilities, no pharmacies and no hospitals. The new person in charge of rotations is setting up places in California and Nevada, well how in the hell are students supposed to do their rotations while in school? Pay for multiple round trip tickets to fly to and from the mainland every couple weeks? Thats absurd.
7. 26 faculty my ass. A few weeks ago they had ONE faculty member, the great saddam himself. Remember, he fired every single assistant dean and full time professors. Now they have an associate or assistant dean who is MARRIED to a CHEATER in the class. This would normally be called a conflict of interest, but not in Iraq, i mean HICP. They are just simply borrowing professors (as they have done all year) from UH. Dr. Ramanathan (Pharmacology) will surely not be back, he was a part time professor anyways and more importantly he was very close friends with Bhagavan. Also, speaking of Bhagavan, I used to not fault him for leaving the sinking ship, however, now he is telling these reporters that "when i left, everything was great" and "we were on our way and I didnt see anything wrong"...HORSE****! I am growing more and more bitter towards Dr. Bhagavan and he better start spilling his guts.
Also, some of the new faculty has NEVER had academic pharmacy experience before, they have just worked as pharmacists. Again, hiring people to run a pharmacy school who know less than all of us about how to do it, give me a break.
Yes, and I also LOVE saddam's rise to power. ASSistant football coach at some Michigan school; special education teacher at Waipahu High School where he taught gang bangers and students with learning deficiencies; to ASSistant dean of a pharmacy school!! And ASSistant dean of Curriculum... lemme get this straight, you teach special ed in high school, so you can design a curriculum for doctors of pharmacy? Maybe its just me, but I don't quite see the correlation; to finally, ALL MIGHTY AND POWERFUL DEAN OF HICP. I hope that title keeps him warm at night, because its not going to scare off "tiny" in prison you ass tool.

 

[JohnUNLV]

Let me guess, he hired additional security after he found out those three expelled guys were going to court with him. Monroe is just trying to give some credence to the claim he made about the riot and unruly students. Afterall, he can not legally expel those 3 guys without proving that they pose a physical threat.

He didn't find out, he was in on it too. In fact, he showed up at their doorstep along with saddam hasan to bang on their doors and windows. If they posed such a physical threat, would you really go banging on their doors? I mean, Pejman isn't a little guy, he would kick the crap out of either of them IF he had any mean spirit in him, which he does not. This is simply a scare tactic for the other students to keep quiet and keep getting raped. It also serves to eliminate their problem, which would be anyone trying to stand up for themselves and others.
These ass clowns are so pathetic and they will get whats coming to them, I assure you.

BTW, the Pacific Business News article is out today, but I believe the link won't be up until Monday possibly.

 

[quacker]

This is simply a scare tactic for the other students to keep quiet and keep getting raped.

I hope you don't mean getting raped literally =X. From how some of the students have been acting to desperately become pharmacist, I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam Hasan or Monroe asked for "favors" and took advantage of them. Sad but could be a possibility. 🙁

 

[OoShimmeroO]

It seems like a lot of people on the SDN Pre-Dental forums are considering applying to the HICD (Hawaii College of Dentistry). They need to be warned.

 

[bananaface]

I hope you don't mean getting raped literally =X. From how some of the students have been acting to desperately become pharmacist, I wouldn't be surprised if Saddam Hasan or Monroe asked for "favors" and took advantage of them. Sad but could be a possibility. 🙁

Let's not even go there. If you have a factual claim, bring it. But, let's not start a bunch of wild rumors and unfounded speculation.

 

[bananaface]

It seems like a lot of people on the SDN Pre-Dental forums are considering applying to the HICD (Hawaii College of Dentistry). They need to be warned.

We did this once. It is okay to go there and refer them to this thread, or offer your opinion of the administration. They may be especially interested in knowing about the failure of the school to let students advance despite their passing grades.

 

[hawaii90210]

Some new update on the school:
* we took the cummulative exam during the past 2 days and originally we need to score 240/300 in order to pass and move on the the next year. if we dont pass then we have the following weekend to do the remediation with the 5% increment. Guess what!!! we got our scores back this afternoon and NO ONE will remediate that test even if you score below 240 because they just changing plan again last minutes. they told us that the scores only use toward ranking purpose for now.

* Letters were given out to all individual students today after the cummulative finals explaining the appropriate steps to take for next year. basically there're 2 plans for the students.
1: if you are on the top 100 list, then you can either choose to move on and continue in fall 2005 or you can defer and guarantee a seat as a 2nd yr when you come back in fall 2006 (BUT this is just a verbal contract between students and Asst. dean of student services for now, nothing in writing yet.) However, if you choose to continue, you must pay 1000 deposit postmark by Aug 1, 2005, and half of your tuition by Aug 30 rather than the Sept 6 deadline...
2. if you are in the second list, you can choose to continue as FIRST YEAR student in Fall 2005 and dont have to pay tuition for that year. You just need to make a deposit of 1000 which Dr. Vu said "we'll reimburse that back to you in October, 2005" and pay 300 student services fee. IF you choose to defer, you will have to come back as FIRST year student in fall 2006 and need to meet the current pre-reqs for that admission cycle.

the 31 alternative list is no longer exits according to our dean because everyone just pass. No summer remediation at all and that also goes to the 14 sudents failed Dr. Belloto's kinetic and Pharmaceutics courses combined.

here's my 2cents:
first of all, what kind of school have a 100% passing rate? only at HICP, i tell ya ... things just keep on changing as it go. there's no concrete plan for this school and the last time i checked with the school is that the WASC application has gone nowhere. i dont even know if they even file an application at all. and on top of that, ACPE deadline is approaching and i dont see any changes or improvement from the last applications that they sent in. Current HICP students, Please think twice before you decide to stay or pay them any more money......

 

[imperial frog]

here's my 2cents:
first of all, what kind of school have a 100% passing rate? only at HICP, i tell ya

Allowing less than half the class to proceed to the second year isn't exactly what I would call a 100% passing rate.