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Steady-State said:
Just a general question.....

How many times can you apply for candidate status when you skip pre-candidate?

I don't think that there's a limit to the number of times you can apply; however, if candidate status is not achieved as the first class graduates, those students and anyone who graduates after that won't be able to get licensed.

There is a "term limit" to candidate status. I believe the standards or ACPE policies indicate that a school can only be in candidate status for a maximum of 4 years (2 two-year stints in candidate status). So if a school does not achieve full accreditation after the 4 years of candidate status, I guess they get to start all over again (but don't quote me on that one).
 
Steady-State said:
It seems like HICP is in damage control right now. They read SDN and are changing things to make students believe that they are doing good things. I'm sure the news is spreading like wild fire. I hope new students don't have to go through what students went through this year.

Unfortunately, it's a relatively small percentage of applicants and professionals that use SDN... So I don't doubt that they will have a fairly large applicant pool again...
 
pharmaz88 said:
Ummm... maybe by following the protocols of the accrediting organization, rather than blatantly and repeatedly disregarding them? Duh.


My point is a startup school has to have students to begin with. Yeah, it's crucial that the school follows the protocols and guidelines, but the bottom line is without students a school does not exist, thus no accreditation.

So my answer to "why didn't those students apply to an accredited school to begin with?" is......

Before the so called "ACCREDITED PROGRAMS" got accredited, they started out by having students who took a chance and believing in them; the same way students who took a chance by coming to HICP. So what's your point dude?

p.s. Please don't tell that, "well, you guys should've known better or be more informed or done your research"...bullshi$T..
 
Zheng,
Do you think that lets HICP students off the hook? Its one thing to take an "informed risk" where if your wrong you might lose a little pocket change or something small. Its a whole other story when students are required to come up with $28k out of pocket to go a 1st year Pharmacy school in HAWAII that was unaccredited.
Im sorry but I do feel that alot of these students were chasing fools gold. If this school was in OHIO or North Dakota i doubt you guys would have been so eager to mortgage your parents houses and retirement funds away to run to this fantasy school with guaranteed admission.
Lisi, question for you. Would you have gone to HICP with the information that was available at that time? :laugh:
 
I am part of the first class at South University. My school had pre-candidate status before accepting students. They actually had it long before starting the first class. Candidate status was granted a couple months later. Thus, students are not needed to start the accreditation process.
 
J Lucas said:
Zheng,
Do you think that lets HICP students off the hook? Its one thing to take an "informed risk" where if your wrong you might lose a little pocket change or something small. Its a whole other story when students are required to come up with $28k out of pocket to go a 1st year Pharmacy school in HAWAII that was unaccredited.
Im sorry but I do feel that alot of these students were chasing fools gold. If this school was in OHIO or North Dakota i doubt you guys would have been so eager to mortgage your parents houses and retirement funds away to run to this fantasy school with guaranteed admission.
Lisi, question for you. Would you have gone to HICP with the information that was available at that time? :laugh:


I know your question may have been rhetorical, but felt I should answer. My answer is "no" (big surprise, right?); but the caveat to that is that I probably had alot more information than the average applicant. Of course there is a certain responsibility that the students who enrolled in HICP must take for their own decisions; however, it's clear that as information has come to light, that HICP students have been misled in the extreme by leaders at HICP. So I see a huge difference between taking a fully-informed risk and taking a misinformed risk.

Having said that, though, I'm quite puzzled by the reactions of some of the HICP faithful at this point. As things have progressed, it must be clear to all involved that at the very least there has been a string of poor decision-making at HICP, that leaders (by this I mean administrative/faculty leaders, not necessarily student leaders) have deliberately misled students, even worse, that leaders have threatened students who wish to exercise their rights by talking with ACPE or by exercising their first amendment rights to freedom of speech. Also, any student who is in the "second 100" of the "let's get our student numbers down any way we can" plan and accepts that they must repeat classes that they have already passed, totally baffles me. Even if they've backed down on making them pay tuition for the coming year, it's still costing them money to pay living expenses for one extra year and also by graduating one year later, they're losing a year of income--which has to be at least $90K. Every student who has passed the requirements for the first year is entitled to progress to the second year. I don't see how the administration can keep the "second 100" or even the third tier of 31 students (provided that they've passed) from moving through the curriculum.

Even for the "lucky 100", what could possibly make them think that something like this couldn't happen to them? I would hope that their reaction hasn't been "whew, I get to stay", but "even if I get guarantees from school leaders, what confidence do I have in those guarantees?"
 
As lisi said...how can they split a second year class into new P1 and P2 year when they all passed in the first place. Plus, if they do this, and a person fails the first year, what are they going to do? They passed one year and then failed when this plan was put in place....do they have to take the 1st year over for the third time? I think they could have just defered for a year, gone back after a year off. They end up paying the same as the students that took the 1st over again, they didn't have to take any exams, didn't have to study, and there was no chance of failing the first year.
 
I'm going to make Hasan, Monroe and Criswell dart sets with their pictures as the Bulls eye,
Does anyone want one ? hahahahah j/k
How about the Hasan, Monroe, Criswell punching bag or pinata? I think these would sell good. I'm sure ACPE and HICP students would like to order some. ACPE can use the dart sets as a motivating tool and stress reliever. hahahaha :laugh: :laugh: :meanie: :meanie:
 
This question is for Hasan, Monroe, Criswell and all the current HICP administration.

How do you sleep at night? Can you actually live in peace knowing that you are inflicting great harm to innocent people? Do you even have a clue of how badly you have destroyed the life of people at HICP? You have ruined the lives of many and it will take years to get over what you have done to us. You act like you are trying to help, but you all make worse things worser.
The only things I can compare you all to is a Child Molester. You seduce students with lies, misconceptions and get them in a room then you abuse them (WHILE YELLING THROUGH A SPEAKER PHONE/INTERCOM) and continue to do so. You lie to them, threaten them, corner them to a point where they feel helpless, with no way out and the minute they try to speak up or defend themselves you inflict more harm. Molesters don't even realize that what they're doing is wrong. Just like all of you. You people should be behind bars, away from the general public and never allowed to be in any kind of Academic or professional environment ever again.
I have no pity or sympathy for you.
Once the true HICP believers realize the truth of what you have done to them, I'm sure they'll have no mercy. Right now they are confused and just want whatever to work out for themselves. In reality, they are not to blame b/c they do not even know how deep and severe this problem you have caused is.
Good luck dodging the heat. so HASAN and Monroe, don't "Punk out" your exact words to students...isn't that right Hasan?

This is only my opinion and I don't speak for anyone else on this forum.
 
CAGinseng said:
This question is for Hasan, Monroe, Criswell and all the current HICP administration.

How do you sleep at night? Can you actually live in peace knowing that you are inflicting great harm to inoccent people? Do you even have a clue of how badly you have destroyed the life of people at HICP? You have ruined the lives of many and it will take years to get over what you have done to us. You act like you are trying to help, but you all make worse things worser.
The only things I can compare you all to is a Child Molesters. You seduce students with lies, misconceptions andddd get them in a room then you abuse them and continue to do so. You lie to them, threaten them, corner them to a point where they feel helpless, with no way out and the minute they try to speak up or defend themselves you inflict more harm. Molesters don't even realize that what they're doing, when they're doing it, is bad. Just like all of you. You people should be behind bars, away from the general public and never allowed to be in any kind of Academic or professional environment ever again.
I have no pity or sympathy for you.
Once the true HICP believers realize the truth of what you have done to them, I'm sure they'll have no mercy.
Good luck dodging the heat. so HASAN and Monroe, don't "Punk out" your exact words to students.

This is only my opinion and I don't speak for anyone else on this forum.



You said it very well!!! Thank you 👍
 
Lisi,

I had a question for you about intern licenses. Is it possible that we can get intern license from the state of Nevada? If we can, what will that do for HICP students? Does the state of Nevada know who they are issuing intern license to or they just give it out? Is this legal to do? I don't know anything about obtaining an intern license.
 
In nevada, you first have to attend an accredited Pharmacy school inorder to even be able to apply for an intern license here.
 
CAGinseng said:
This question is for Hasan, Monroe, Criswell and all the current HICP administration.

How do you sleep at night? Can you actually live in peace knowing that you are inflicting great harm to innocent people? Do you even have a clue of how badly you have destroyed the life of people at HICP? You have ruined the lives of many and it will take years to get over what you have done to us. You act like you are trying to help, but you all make worse things worser.
The only things I can compare you all to is a Child Molester. You seduce students with lies, misconceptions and get them in a room then you abuse them (WHILE YELLING THROUGH A SPEAKER PHONE/INTERCOM) and continue to do so. You lie to them, threaten them, corner them to a point where they feel helpless, with no way out and the minute they try to speak up or defend themselves you inflict more harm. Molesters don't even realize that what they're doing is wrong. Just like all of you. You people should be behind bars, away from the general public and never allowed to be in any kind of Academic or professional environment ever again.
I have no pity or sympathy for you.
Once the true HICP believers realize the truth of what you have done to them, I'm sure they'll have no mercy. Right now they are confused and just want whatever to work out for themselves. In reality, they are not to blame b/c they do not even know how deep and severe this problem you have caused is.
Good luck dodging the heat. so HASAN and Monroe, don't "Punk out" your exact words to students...isn't that right Hasan?

This is only my opinion and I don't speak for anyone else on this forum.
Honestly, you should email this to Hasan and the rest of the faculty, let them know how we really feel. Like you said, they might not even realizing how many lives they're ruining, although, I'm sure they do.
 
lord_helmet said:
In nevada, you first have to attend an accredited Pharmacy school inorder to even be able to apply for an intern license here.

I'm pretty sure in Nevada that you just need to be in a college of pharmacy (accredited or not) to get an intern license. That's why HICP is looking for all their rotation sites in Nevada. (I could be wrong though). When USN first opened they only had pre-candidate status and students were able to do rotations, so one doesn't have to attend an "accredited Pharmacy school" to get an intern license. I'm sure lisi will know the correct answer.
 
Yeah, On the Intern License application I got for Nevada, it states NOTHING about being in an Accredited School of Pharmacy. I believe some HICP students had recieved NV intern licenses, do to this weak policy that Nevada had/has about handing intern license out to any student at a Pharm school whether accred. or not.
 
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CAGinseng said:
This question is for Hasan, Monroe, Criswell and all the current HICP administration.

How do you sleep at night? Can you actually live in peace knowing that you are inflicting great harm to innocent people? Do you even have a clue of how badly you have destroyed the life of people at HICP? You have ruined the lives of many and it will take years to get over what you have done to us. You act like you are trying to help, but you all make worse things worser.
The only things I can compare you all to is a Child Molester. You seduce students with lies, misconceptions and get them in a room then you abuse them (WHILE YELLING THROUGH A SPEAKER PHONE/INTERCOM) and continue to do so. You lie to them, threaten them, corner them to a point where they feel helpless, with no way out and the minute they try to speak up or defend themselves you inflict more harm. Molesters don't even realize that what they're doing is wrong. Just like all of you. You people should be behind bars, away from the general public and never allowed to be in any kind of Academic or professional environment ever again.
I have no pity or sympathy for you.
Once the true HICP believers realize the truth of what you have done to them, I'm sure they'll have no mercy. Right now they are confused and just want whatever to work out for themselves. In reality, they are not to blame b/c they do not even know how deep and severe this problem you have caused is.
Good luck dodging the heat. so HASAN and Monroe, don't "Punk out" your exact words to students...isn't that right Hasan?

This is only my opinion and I don't speak for anyone else on this forum.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
What is even more sickening is that they hire new people like Dee Antimisiaris and Diep Vu to follow their lead and cosign with them. I have no respect for "Dr. Antimisiaris" or "Dr. Vu", they're just as guilty as Hasan, Monroe, and Criswell (b/c they knowingly got involved in this mess). What kind of ethical Pharmacist would support these evil people. Yes, they know the true face of the owners, and support them willingly.
It sickens me to hear that Dr. A even tries to convince students to stay and accept their situation 😕 , when she knowingly knows that HICP will never Make IT! Is she and Diep Vu in it for the money or what?
These pharmacist should never be allowed in ACADEMIA ever again. They give pharmacist a BAD NAME!!!!
Atleast Dr. Belloto wouldn't lie to us, or make excuses for the owners. He was always honest and straight forward, regardless of his personality. I give him 👍 for that, and a thank you.
 
lava2 said:
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
What is even more sickening is that they hire new people like Dee Antimisiaris and Diep Vu to follow their lead and cosign with them. I have no respect for "Dr. Antimisiaris" or "Dr. Vu", they're just as guilty as Hasan, Monroe, and Criswell (b/c they knowingly got involved in this mess). What kind of ethical Pharmacist would support these evil people. Yes, they know the true face of the owners, and support them willingly.
It sickens me to hear that Dr. A even tries to convince students to stay and accept their situation 😕 , when she knowingly knows that HICP will never Make IT! Is she and Diep Vu in it for the money or what?
These pharmacist should never be allowed in ACADEMIA ever again. They give pharmacist a BAD NAME!!!!
Atleast Dr. Belloto wouldn't lie to us, or make excuses for the owners. He was always honest and straight forward, regardless of his personality. I give him 👍 for that, and a thank you.


What do you all think HICP corporation's next plan is going to be? What are your predictions for the upcoming year? New dean? New faculty?

I predict that once classes are in full session, it'll just be DEJA VU. Basically students will be seeing the same stuff they saw last year:

metal folding chairs, holes on the ground, cheap microphones, throwback speakers, unqualified teachers, librarians who call themselves "doctors", instead of Library Science or ESL it'll be Vietnamese as a primary language course, less blind more mute teachers, teachers who can't speak English, more teachers from Korea and India, teachers who pronounce "nicotinic" as "KNICKOTINICK"....

When October arrives, Hasan will tell the class that break ground is once again delayed and has been moved to a later date. He'll read some bullsh%#T bulletin that Scott Banks wrote and then he will excuse himself by telling the class that he has a very important meeting to attend to.

HICP will again present a piece of shi$T application to ACPE and this time instead of "withdraw application" ACPE will tell them to "shove it up their asses".....And guess who's going to write the application? Mr. Scott Banks!!

This is my prediction, what's yours?
 
CAGinseng said:
Yeah, On the Intern License application I got for Nevada, it states NOTHING about being in an Accredited School of Pharmacy. I believe some HICP students had recieved NV intern licenses, do to this weak policy that Nevada had/has about handing intern license out to any student at a Pharm school whether accred. or not.


You need to be enrolled in a college of pharmacy to get an intern license in NV, which may seem like weak policy, but look at it this way...so what if you get all your intern hours? They're down the tubes if you don't graduate from an accredited College of Pharmacy. So you do 1500 intern hours in order to meet licensure requirements, but you can't get licensed any way because you haven't graduated from a College of PHarmacy that has at least candidate status with ACPE. The 1500 hours you just spent are wasted.
 
CAGinseng said:
This question is for Hasan, Monroe, Criswell and all the current HICP administration.

How do you sleep at night? Can you actually live in peace knowing that you are inflicting great harm to innocent people? Do you even have a clue of how badly you have destroyed the life of people at HICP? You have ruined the lives of many and it will take years to get over what you have done to us. You act like you are trying to help, but you all make worse things worser.
The only things I can compare you all to is a Child Molester. You seduce students with lies, misconceptions and get them in a room then you abuse them (WHILE YELLING THROUGH A SPEAKER PHONE/INTERCOM) and continue to do so. You lie to them, threaten them, corner them to a point where they feel helpless, with no way out and the minute they try to speak up or defend themselves you inflict more harm. Molesters don't even realize that what they're doing is wrong. Just like all of you. You people should be behind bars, away from the general public and never allowed to be in any kind of Academic or professional environment ever again.
I have no pity or sympathy for you.
Once the true HICP believers realize the truth of what you have done to them, I'm sure they'll have no mercy. Right now they are confused and just want whatever to work out for themselves. In reality, they are not to blame b/c they do not even know how deep and severe this problem you have caused is.
Good luck dodging the heat. so HASAN and Monroe, don't "Punk out" your exact words to students...isn't that right Hasan?

This is only my opinion and I don't speak for anyone else on this forum.
You're absolutely right...Thank you.
 
lava2 said:
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
What is even more sickening is that they hire new people like Dee Antimisiaris and Diep Vu to follow their lead and cosign with them. I have no respect for "Dr. Antimisiaris" or "Dr. Vu", they're just as guilty as Hasan, Monroe, and Criswell (b/c they knowingly got involved in this mess). What kind of ethical Pharmacist would support these evil people. Yes, they know the true face of the owners, and support them willingly.
It sickens me to hear that Dr. A even tries to convince students to stay and accept their situation 😕 , when she knowingly knows that HICP will never Make IT! Is she and Diep Vu in it for the money or what?
These pharmacist should never be allowed in ACADEMIA ever again. They give pharmacist a BAD NAME!!!!
Atleast Dr. Belloto wouldn't lie to us, or make excuses for the owners. He was always honest and straight forward, regardless of his personality. I give him 👍 for that, and a thank you.
This is from Dr. A....She is so sickkkkkkkk. HICP students know what going on is...Don't lie anymore, please. 😡 😡 :scared: :scared:

hello class,

I wanted to share this question and answer because many of you have the same questions:



question:
"Even PY1 is repeating their first year, will there be new curriculum for them too.
And when it will be ready and are you going to put it online so we will know all the dates and every thing for next school year. Dr. A now the class is been divided in two classes 100 each, so now there won't be any problem with ACPE for the candidate status."

I am in the middle of moving from Kentucky, so cannot answer too many emails in detail....I will refer the students to Dr. Vu, for further questions however because we have been working hard to recruit new faculty and are awaiting their arrival, we are unable to announce the specific schedule yet. Next year will of course be more stable and we will get the schedule to you sooner.

In general at most health professional colleges, it is a requirement that the students are to be available for attendance Monday to Friday, 8 am to 5pm. This is not to say that your schedule will end up being 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but just expect it to be full. At the college I came from incoming students had to sign an agreement to this. [there are alot of cop's that require saturday classes]. Consider that some times you will have an afternoon of lab or small group, while others do not. In general we have a ton of material to cover in just 2 years, and getting some pharmacy practice labs in is cruicial, so the schedule will be full.
The PY1curriculum is being reworked and will be to a more rigorous standard. This will of course help our ACPE reapplication. Unfortunately splitting the class and addressing the fact that so much remediation was not ideal is no guarantee that ACPE will accredit us. It is a combination of so many factors that even the consult we had with them was no guarantee. There is the site visit, application, policies and procedure,strength of the curriculum, outcome of the students professional development, number of faculty and rotation program....many things.

But I can say with confidence, for the first time we at least have a shot at making the grade, but we have only less than 3 months to implement everything, a monumental task in this current environment, and the staff is working night and day to achieve this.

have a nice break!
Dr.A
 
lisi said:
You need to be enrolled in a college of pharmacy to get an intern license in NV, which may seem like weak policy, but look at it this way...so what if you get all your intern hours? They're down the tubes if you don't graduate from an accredited College of Pharmacy. So you do 1500 intern hours in order to meet licensure requirements, but you can't get licensed any way because you haven't graduated from a College of PHarmacy that has at least candidate status with ACPE. The 1500 hours you just spent are wasted.

EEK! Is there a white light anywhere at the end of this tunnel for the students?
Lisi, what do you see as a best case scenario for the students? Maybe getting their tuition back?
 
GetLost_Hawaii said:
This is from Dr. A....She is so sickkkkkkkk. HICP students know what going on is...Don't lie anymore, please. 😡 😡 :scared: :scared:

hello class,

I wanted to share this question and answer because many of you have the same questions:



question:
"Even PY1 is repeating their first year, will there be new curriculum for them too.
And when it will be ready and are you going to put it online so we will know all the dates and every thing for next school year. Dr. A now the class is been divided in two classes 100 each, so now there won't be any problem with ACPE for the candidate status."

I am in the middle of moving from Kentucky, so cannot answer too many emails in detail....I will refer the students to Dr. Vu, for further questions however because we have been working hard to recruit new faculty and are awaiting their arrival, we are unable to announce the specific schedule yet. Next year will of course be more stable and we will get the schedule to you sooner.

In general at most health professional colleges, it is a requirement that the students are to be available for attendance Monday to Friday, 8 am to 5pm. This is not to say that your schedule will end up being 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but just expect it to be full. At the college I came from incoming students had to sign an agreement to this. [there are alot of cop's that require saturday classes]. Consider that some times you will have an afternoon of lab or small group, while others do not. In general we have a ton of material to cover in just 2 years, and getting some pharmacy practice labs in is cruicial, so the schedule will be full.
The PY1curriculum is being reworked and will be to a more rigorous standard. This will of course help our ACPE reapplication. Unfortunately splitting the class and addressing the fact that so much remediation was not ideal is no guarantee that ACPE will accredit us. It is a combination of so many factors that even the consult we had with them was no guarantee. There is the site visit, application, policies and procedure,strength of the curriculum, outcome of the students professional development, number of faculty and rotation program....many things.

But I can say with confidence, for the first time we at least have a shot at making the grade, but we have only less than 3 months to implement everything, a monumental task in this current environment, and the staff is working night and day to achieve this.

have a nice break!
Dr.A


HICP always tell you to e-mail them if you have any questions or concerns. I e-mail Dr. Vu like at least 3 times for the past two weeks, but she has not reply to any of my e-mails. How professional is that? Ignoring students e-mailing because they don't have answers or are so afraid to say something wrong that they might get sued.

Dr. Vu, I know you don't have anything to do in that office of yours. I have seen you up there doing pretty much nothing, just surfing the internet. You are so lazy, at least check your e-mails. How can you handle the duty of assistant dean of student services when students can't even communicate with you? And when we personally come to talk to you, you act like a stiff. Come on Diep!!! U might consider taking your job more seriously. Remember it's the students you should try to help, not the faculty. If you're not happy with what you're doing, then either change or quit cause' we don't want you here if you're not doing your job at 100%.
 
J Lucas said:
EEK! Is there a white light anywhere at the end of this tunnel for the students?
Lisi, what do you see as a best case scenario for the students? Maybe getting their tuition back?


The best case scenario would be for someone who actually knows what they're doing, who has had extensive experience in academic pharmacy, to come in and take over the program in its entirety. From what I can find about "Dr. A.", she was hired by UK to teach pharmacy practice labs in late 2004. This is her only academic pharmacy pharmacy experience, so once again, you've got a novice when it comes to academic pharmacy. I doubt that she has even gone through an ACPE accreditation. However, since I think that my best case scenario is not very likely to happen, I would tell students to get out now. There's no use throwing good money after bad.
 
It seems that "Dr. A" is similar to Hasan (1. money motivated 2. Liars 3. Flowering their background to say that they're qualified to be in Academia 4. Manipulators 5. etc. etc., no wonder they get along so well. They're both full of SheeT. :laugh:
The one thing that they both say, hand in hand, is that "there are no guarantees", regarding accreditation 👎 (to cover their butts).

Well they can kiss my A**. :meanie:
You know Dr. A not only has the students fooled with her "qualifications" as a professor in Academia, ACPE, etc., but has Hasan, Monroe, Criswell, Banks, etc. fooled as well.
Since they don't know a lick about Pharmacy, they believe whatever she says.

Who's seen Dumb and Dumber? Three Blind Mice?
Must I say anymore?
I can actually, but I'll save it for later.
 
GetLost_Hawaii said:
question:
"Even PY1 is repeating their first year, will there be new curriculum for them too. And when it will be ready and are you going to put it online so we will know all the dates and every thing for next school year. Dr. A now the class is been divided in two classes 100 each, so now there won't be any problem with ACPE for the candidate status."

Glad to see that correct grammar is still being stressed for future pharmacists.
It is amazing that she was able to figure out what this student was wanting to know.
 
From the Kentucky Alliance of Pharmacy Students October 2004 Newsletter
regarding Dr. A:


The PY1 classthis year has a new face as their lab instructor. Who is Dee Antimisarias and how did she come to be at the University of Kentucky College of Pharmacy?

Dr. Antimisiaris (or Dr. A as she is known by her students) has had an interesting life. She was born in Los Angeles and spent part of her childhood in Hawaii. She attended the University of California – Davis for three years where she majored in chemistry.

After working for Shell Oil as an intern during the summer, she decided that shedid not want to be a chemist. She loved skiing, so she took a job withRossingnol in a technical support role. During her time there, she tested skis and traveled with the World Cup ofSkiing in North America and the Alpine region of Europe. She went practicallyaround the world, attending ski competitions in places as far away as Finland, Japan, and New Zealand.

After 3 years with Rossignol, she wondered what else she could be doing with her science background, and decided on a career in pharmacy. She enrolled in pharmacy school at the University of the Pacific – Northern California. After graduating, she did a one-year residency in clinical geriatrics at the University of Southern California.

Her first pharmacy job was at the VA Medical Center in Los Angelesas a DUR pharmacist. After 8 months, she moved to Oregon with her husbandwhere she worked full-time at a compounding pharmacy and part-time at the University of Oregon StudentHealth Clinic to maintain her clinical skills.

She moved to New York for a short while and worked in an accounting firm since she did not anticipate staying there long enough toreciprocate her pharmacy license. Then, she returned to California where she worked full-time at a community pharmacy in San Diego, Long’s Drugs,and part-time at a compounding pharmacy on the weekend to keep her skills current.

She is proud of her ability to stay diverse. Those broad skills serve her well in her relocation to Lexington withher husband, a cardiologist at St. Joseph’s Hospital. Now that she is at the UK College of Pharmacy, Dr.A wants to integrate ideas from her practice experience into the lab activities.

In addition to teaching, she has been assigned to formulate a plan to implement cultural competency in the curriculum. She states that becoming culturally competent allows a practitioner to overcome barriers to patient-centered care that might exist because of biases or assumptions based upon perceived socio-economic differences. It is important to note that cultural competency deals with more than just different ethnic backgrounds.

When she is not at work, she enjoys spending time with her twodaughters, Marrika, 14, and Sophia, 12. She also loves the natural beauty of the outdoors and has taken up sailing since moving to Kentucky.
 
a) There's sailing in Kentucky?

b) clincial skills at a student health clinic? What do they really dispense besides azithromycin and Plan B?
 
Kaukaknowsbest said:
Everybody must see Pacific Business News today, front page! Great story! Criswell (aka Denise Nakajima) and David Monroe (aka David Yacas) are exposed as cons and thieves.


The story's not yet available on their website . Who's going to be the awesome poster and transcribe it for us? 😀
 
pharmaz88 said:
The story's not yet available on their website . Who's going to be the awesome poster and transcribe it for us? 😀
Pharmacyschool ideagot its startin NevadaBY KRISTEN CDNSILLIOPAGIRG BUSINESS NEWS Controversy over business practices at the Hawaii College of Pharmacy in Kapolei can betraced to the doors of a pharmacy school in Nevada.That's where Denise "DeeDee"Criswell and David Monroe, founders of the Hawaii College I of Pharmacy; got the idea to start a lucrative business in a high-demand profession, which ultimately would attract 240 stu-dents and generate $6.72 million! in tuition the first year. Monroe, a Kalihi native formerly known as David Yacas, was a librarian, and Criswell, whose married name when she was in Nevada was Denise Nakajima, was a financial officer at the former Nevada College of Pharmacy, where they witnessed the startup of a new pharmacy program. The non-profit college, which startedwith 40 students in January,2001, is now called the Universi-ty of Southern Nevada and is ac- ISEE PHARMACY, PAGE 49 I 1
 
PHARMACY: Founders initially considered school on Maui FROM PAGE ONE accredited by the national Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education.Students at the unaccredited private Hawaii College of Pharmacy, operated by Nevada-based for-profit Pacific Educational Services, say they were led to believe the colleges were affiliated and that they could transfer between the schools.The Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection is investigating the Hawaii pharmacy school for alleged unfair and deceptive business practices after receiving numerous complaints from students who have paid $28,000 each in annual tuition for a three-year doctorate program. The college was denied accreditation becauseof its unprecedented fIrst-year class enrollment.The 'same company that founded the pharmacy school also plans to open a dental college in Kapolei."Monroe himself told me before I started that the school was affiliated with the Nevada College of Pharmacyand that if anything were to go wrong students could transfer over to the Nevada college and graduate from there,"said Tony Mai, 26, former student body president of the Hawaii pharmacy school. "He said he knew people there and that it was perfectly fine and wouldn't be a problem. I didn't gain anything monetarily. In fact, I put in my own money and a lot ofmy time. All I wanted was to start something good for ourcommunity. 'Jan Vagi-BuenFormer Maul state senatorn't be a problem."Criswell and Monroe couldn't bereached for comment.A copy of the Hawaii College of Pharmacy student handbook for 2004-2005, dated Oct. 4, 2003, states, "During the fIrst year of operations the Hawaii College of Pharmacy along with the Nevada College of Pharmacy will share faculty in all areas of pharmaceutical specialty.""They told me it was going to be a branch, like a sister school of the Nevada College of Pharmacy and structured the exact same way," said John Quinn, 22, aformer student of the Hawaii school.The dean of the University of South-ern Nevada's College of Pharmacy in Henderson says the school has never had an affiliation with the Hawaii college and has received and denied at least 20 transfer requests this year from Hawaii students."There has been a lot of concern on our end that there may be some misrepresentation regarding any type of relationship between us," said Renee Coffman, dean of the Nevada college. "Their Web site essentially copied verbatim our Web site at one point. It forced us to put a disclaimer up on our Web site that we're not affiliated with the Hawaii College of Pharmacy. The degree of confusion was that extreme that we felt we needed to take action."Coffman said that about three years ago the Nevada school had preliminary plans to create a Hawaii branch and that,because Monroe was from Hawaii, hecame on the initial visits to Hawaii tolook at potential sites. However, the Nevada college decided not to make Hawaii a priority in order to focus on receiving full accreditation. Criswell and Monroe initially looked at starting the pharmacy school on Maui and in late 2003 sought the help of former Maui state Sen. Jan Yagi-Buen, who wasworking for the Maui mayor's office. Yagi-Buen is listed as treasurer in other dissolved Nevada corporations started byMonroe and Criswell, but says she didn't consent to be a part of any of their businesses.The Hawaii college founders later turned their sights on Oahu because they wouldn't attract as many students on Maui, Yagi-Buen said. ."I didn't gain anything monetarily, " she said. "In fact, I put in my own money and a lot of my time. All I wanted was to start something good for our community."Yagi-Buen says she helped Monroe and Criswell plan the school from October 2003 to April 2004 but left when she became suspicious of their motives."I really believed that their intent wasto have a good college of pharmacy and to help students out, but when they were talking about tuition, how much they'd charge and then started adding up figures, I started to get suspicious," she said."That's one of the biggest reasons why I left; it became a money thing."Monroe and Criswell, originally from Kentucky, are the founders of Kentucky-based nonprofit Pacific Blue Foundation ~Inc. Both Criswell and Monroe are founders of dissolved Nevada corporations: Pacific Blue Venture Corp., PacificBlue Educational Services, Mid PacificEducational Services and Pacific Blue1Holdings [email protected] I 955-8036 2
 
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Pharmacy school idea got its start in Nevada
BY KRISTEN CDNSILLIO PACIFIC BUSINESS NEWS

Controversy over business practices at the Hawaii College of Pharmacy in Kapolei can be traced to the doors of a pharmacy school in Nevada. That's where Denise "DeeDee" Criswell and David Monroe, founders of the Hawaii College of Pharmacy; got the idea to start a lucrative business in a high-
demand profession, which ultimately would attract 240 students and generate $6.72 million in tuition the first year.

Monroe, a Kalihi native formerly known as David Yacas, was a librarian, and Criswell, whose married name when she was in Nevada was Denise Nakajima, was financial officer at the former Nevada College of Pharmacy, where they witnessed the startup of a new pharmacy program. The non-profit college, which started with 40 students in January, 2001, is now called the University of Southern Nevada and is accredited by the national Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education. Students at the unaccredited private Hawaii College of Pharmacy, operated by Nevada-based for-profit Pacific Educational Services, say they were led to believe the colleges were affiliated and that they could transfer between the schools.

The Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection is investigating the Hawaii pharmacy school for alleged unfair and deceptive business practices after receiving numerous complaints from students who have paid $28,000 each in annual tuition for a three-year doctorate program. The college was denied accreditation because of its unprecedented first-year class enrollment.
The same company that founded the pharmacy school also plans to open a
dental college in Kapolei.

"Monroe himself told me before I started that the school was affiliated with the Nevada College of Pharmacy and that if anything were to go wrong
students could transfer over to the Nevada college and graduate from there,"
said Tony Mai, 26, former student body president of the Hawaii pharmacy
school. "He said he knew people there and that it was perfectly fine and wouldn't be a problem."

Criswell and Monroe couldn't be reached for comment.

A copy of the Hawaii College of Pharmacy student handbook for 2004-2005,
dated Oct. 4, 2003, states, "During the first year of operations the Hawaii College of Pharmacy along with the Nevada College of Pharmacy will share faculty in all areas of pharmaceutical specialty."

"They told me it was going to be a branch, like a sister school of the Nevada
College of Pharmacy and structured the exact same way," said John Quinn, 22, a former student of the Hawaii school.

The dean of the University of Southern Nevada's College of Pharmacy in
Henderson says the school has never had an affiliation with the Hawaii college
and has received and denied at least 20 transfer requests this year from Hawaii students. "There has been a lot of concern on our end that there may be some misrepresentation regarding any type of relationship between us," said Renee Coffman, dean of the Nevada college. "Their
Web site essentially copied verbatim our Web site at one point. It Ied us to put a disclaimer up on our Web site that we're not affiliated with the Hawaii College of Pharmacy. The degree of confusion was that extreme that we felt we needed to take action." Coffman said that about three years ago the Nevada school had preliminary plans to create a Hawaii branch and that,
because Monroe was from Hawaii, he came on the initial visits to Hawaii to
look at potential sites. However, the Nevada college decided not to make Hawaii a priority in order to focus on receiving full accreditation.

Criswell and Monroe initially looked at starting the pharmacy school on Maui
and in late 2003 sought the help of former Maui state Sen. Jan Yagi-Buen, who was working for the Maui mayor's office. Yagi-Buen is listed as treasurer in other dissolved Nevada corporations started by Monroe and Criswell, but says she didn't consent to be a part of any of their businesses.
The Hawaii college founders laterturned their sights on Oahu because they
wouldn't attract as many students on Maui, Yagi-Buen said. "I didn't gain anything monetarily, " she said. "In fact, I put in my own money and a lot of my time. All I wanted was to start something good for our community."
Yagi-Buen says she helped Monroe and Criswell plan the school from October
2003 to April 2004 but left when she became suspicious of their motives. "I really believed that their intent was to have a good college of pharmacy and to help students out, but when they were talking about tuition, how much they'd charge and then started adding up figures, I started to get suspicious," she said. "That's one of the biggest reasons why I left; it became a money thing."

Monroe and Criswell, originally from Kentucky, are the founders of Kentucky-
based nonprofit Pacific Blue Foundation Inc.
Both Criswell and Monroe are
founders of dissolved Nevada corporations: Pacific Blue Venture Corp., Pacific
Blue Educational Services, Mid Pacific Educational Services and Pacific Blue
Holdings Inc.

[email protected] I 955-8036
 
pharmaz88 said:
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pharmaz88,

I put the article out and it looks like someone beat me to the punch...thnx lava....

oh well, you get to read the article twice, lol

i highlighted some interesting points, including the different alias names of the owners and the "continuous pattern of people being misrepresented" by these owners (USN and Jan Yagi-Buen)???????????????????
 
Has anyone picked up on the aka's? Denise Criswell is really, Denise (Dee Dee) Nakajima, David Monroe is David Yacas, H.A. Hasan is ******, he graduated with a different name in the state of Washington, I don't remember the exact name.

Great, 3 aka's (aliases) and a Canadian leading the rats, this issue gets worse by the moment.
Anyone wish to contribute more facts? Keep it coming, Thanks.
 
bananaface said:
Just a comment... it's really tacky to infer that Criswell's name change had an ulterior motive. She has every right to go back to her maiden name after a divorce.


Actually Denise is still MARRIED. David and Denise are just having an affair (not sure if it's over yet) They were very lovey dovey in front of students when they were teaching a course. David would call Denise "honey" and stuff like that. 😱
 
Here's the information filed with the Kentucky Secretary of State about Monroe and Criswell's Corporation, Pacific Blue Foundation. Notice it is a non-profit. Do the other two names on the filing sound familiar to anyone?



Organization Number 0604598
Name PACIFIC BLUE FOUNDATION, INC.
Profit or Non-Profit N - Non-profit
Company Type KCO - Kentucky Corporation
Status A - Active
Standing G - Good
State KY
File Date 1/27/2005
Organization Date 1/27/2005
Last Annual Report N/A
Principal Office 836 INSPIRATION WAY
LOUISVILLE, KY 40202
Registered Agent DAVID C. MONROE
836 INSPIRATION WAY
LOUISVILLE, KY 40202

Incorporators and Initial Directors
Incorporator HARRY LEE MEYER
Director DAVID C. MONROE
Director DENISE CRISWELL
Director ANDREW R. NIXON



This organization has no assumed names
Certificates Available
Certificate of Existence
Certificate of Registered Agent (Domestic and Foreign)
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This Meyer person also organized an LLC in the names of Criswell and Monroe that was incorporated in Kentucky on the same date as Pacific Blue was. Meyer is listed on the corporate filings of a number of diverse businesses. ETA - I just looked him up - he is a Louisville attorney.

0604601
Name CRISWELL & MONROE, LLC
Company Type KLC - Kentucky Limited Liability Company
Status A - Active
Standing G - Good
State KY
File Date 1/27/2005
Organization Date 1/27/2005
Last Annual Report N/A
Principal Office 836 INSPIRATION WAY
LOUISVILLE, KY 40245
Managed By Members
Registered Agent DAVID C. MONROE
836 INSPIRATION WAY
LOUISVILLE, KY 40245

Incorporators and Initial Directors
Organizer HARRY LEE MEYER
 
Allright, I'm bored - so I just looked up real estate for sale in the neighborhood corresponding to the address on David Monroe's two Kentucky corporations. The address (which is publicly available online because he listed it as the corporation's address) is 836 Inspiration Way in Louisville. This is a very expensive area. It just so happens that a nearby house (837 Inspiration Way) is for sale. Guess how much?

Price: $570,000
Sq Ft.: 3860
Beds: 5
Baths: 6 (5 full, 1 half)
Basement: Bsmt Unfinished
Parking: 3+Car Garage, Attached
Area: 08 - Douglas Hills / Hurstbourne / Middletown

Half a million is a lot in this part of the country. That's a nice house.

http://www.homesinlouisville.com/details.asp?lngMLSID=1045791&PropertyType=res
 
All4MyDaughter said:
Allright, I'm bored - so I just looked up real estate for sale in the neighborhood corresponding to the address on David Monroe's two Kentucky corporations. The address (which is publicly available online because he listed it as the corporation's address) is 836 Inspiration Way in Louisville. This is a very expensive area. It just so happens that a nearby house (837 Inspiration Way) is for sale. Guess how much?

Price: $570,000
Sq Ft.: 3860
Beds: 5
Baths: 6 (5 full, 1 half)
Basement: Bsmt Unfinished
Parking: 3+Car Garage, Attached
Area: 08 - Douglas Hills / Hurstbourne / Middletown

Half a million is a lot in this part of the country. That's a nice house.

http://www.homesinlouisville.com/details.asp?lngMLSID=1045791&PropertyType=res


Allmydaughter,

what is the average price for a kentucky home?
 
Lava2 and CAGinseng,

Thanks to both of you for taking the time to transcribe that article for us!

👍 👍
 
All4MyDaughter said:
As of May 2005 it was $134,900 in Louisville. Louisville is probably the most expensive market in Kentucky.

What!? Lousiville certainly wasn't the hotspot 23 years ago when I was born. My parents were dirt poor, or that's what they said while attending UofL. I think we lived near Cherokee Park. Is there a White Castle nearby?
 
It angers me that my alma mater should even be mentioned in the same breath as HICP. Today, a fellow pharmacist at the hospital I'm doing residency at asked me if Pacific Educational Services is also responsible for my school since it is a Nevada corporation. He had read the Pacific Business News article (via MSNBC). Today was the third time in as many days that I've had to explain to somebody that A) We are not, nor ever were officially affiliated with each other, and that B) My school is not affected (accreditation-wise) by the current controversy. One thing you learn when you get out in practice is that pharmacy..especially hospital and clinical pharmacy, is a truly small world, where gossip and hearsay spread rather quickly. I don't want anyone to believe that the quality of a USN pharmacy education, and the worth of a USN Pharm.D. are in someway diminished by this, so this has been a source of frustration lately.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
As of May 2005 it was $134,900 in Louisville. Louisville is probably the most expensive market in Kentucky.

Here's a link to the article where I got this number:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050710/BUSINESS/50711001&SearchID=73214057455274


So if I were to do my calculations right, the difference between the median housing price of Louisville and Monroe's house is a 422 %.

According to this article here, http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050623/235519.html?.v=1 , the median price for a home in California is $522,590.

So if Monroe ever were to buy a home in California it would be the same as buying a $2.2 million dollar home here. Wow, he must be livin' a top notch life in Kentucky.

That makes me sick to my stomach. 😡
 
I saw this on MSNBC when they were analyzing Google stocks.

For a satellite photo of the place:

1. Go to http://maps.google.com/.

2. Then do a search on "836 INSPIRATION WAY, Louisville, KY 40245" (cut and paste it)

3. You will get an error, but you will be given the option to search a nearby home: 14605 Inspiration Ct, Louisville, KY 40245

4. Click on the satellite option.

This will get you a satellite view of the block where the Kentucky Corporation is located. You will notice a piece of dirt at where the company is supposedly located. I figured it was a piece of dirt by pinpointing it at maps.yahoo.com and locating that same point on the satellite photo, since google did not recognize the address.

Those are all new homes. They are currently not finished yet. The "Kentucky corporation" seems to be a business setup at a home not even built yet when it was registered in 01/2005.


Sorry if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to feed to the drama!


All4MyDaughter said:
Allright, I'm bored - so I just looked up real estate for sale in the neighborhood corresponding to the address on David Monroe's two Kentucky corporations. The address (which is publicly available online because he listed it as the corporation's address) is 836 Inspiration Way in Louisville. This is a very expensive area. It just so happens that a nearby house (837 Inspiration Way) is for sale. Guess how much?

Price: $570,000
Sq Ft.: 3860
Beds: 5
Baths: 6 (5 full, 1 half)
Basement: Bsmt Unfinished
Parking: 3+Car Garage, Attached
Area: 08 - Douglas Hills / Hurstbourne / Middletown

Half a million is a lot in this part of the country. That's a nice house.

http://www.homesinlouisville.com/details.asp?lngMLSID=1045791&PropertyType=res
 
Relax, you're a pharmacist. Out of the 4 or 5 pharmacists that I have bought my drugs from, I don't even know where any of them graduated from. In fact, I don't even know if they were pharmacists! I just know they were kinda cute.

LVPharm said:
It angers me that my alma mater should even be mentioned in the same breath as HICP. Today, a fellow pharmacist at the hospital I'm doing residency at asked me if Pacific Educational Services is also responsible for my school since it is a Nevada corporation. He read the Pacific Business News article (via MSNBC), and the news is spreading throughout this rather large pharmacy department...everyone has at least heard of this situation. Today was the third time in as many days that I've had to explain that A) We are not, nor ever were officially affiliated with each other, and that B) My school is not affected (accreditation-wise) by the current controversy. One thing you learn when you get out in practice is that pharmacy..especially hospital and clinical pharmacy, is a truly small world, where gossip and hearsay spread rather quickly. I don't want anyone to believe that the quality of a USN pharmacy education, and the worth of a USN Pharm.D. are in someway diminished by this, so this has been a source of frustration lately.
 
Honestly, I think you should sue if lisi's post (#1094) is true. Lisi essentially laid out a pretty compelling case. In fact, I thought Lisi's hidden message was "SUE THE SCHOOL."



JohnHICP said:
Honestly, you should email this to Hasan and the rest of the faculty, let them know how we really feel. Like you said, they might not even realizing how many lives they're ruining, although, I'm sure they do.
 
johnniewest said:
I saw this on MSNBC when they were analyzing Google stocks.

For satellite photo of the place:

1. Go to http://maps.google.com/.

2. Then do a search on "836 INSPIRATION WAY, Louisville, KY 40245" (cut and paste it)

3. You will get an error, but you will be given the option to search a nearby home: 14605 Inspiration Ct, Louisville, KY 40245

4. Click on the satellite option.

This will get you a satellite view of the block where the Kentucky Corporation is located. You will notice a piece of dirt at where the company is supposedly located. I figured it was a piece of dirt by pinpointing it at maps.yahoo.com and locating that same point on the satellite photo, since google did not recognize the address.

Those are all new homes. They are currently not finished yet. The "Kentucky corporation" seems to be a business setup at a home not even built yet when it was registered in 01/2005.


Sorry if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to feed to the drama!

lol i think the internet is getting toooooo powerful. we all need to just go back to the olden days of playing in the river and building model airplanes
 
crying moo said:
What!? Lousiville certainly wasn't the hotspot 23 years ago when I was born. My parents were dirt poor, or that's what they said while attending UofL. I think we lived near Cherokee Park. Is there a White Castle nearby?


I don't know if Louisville is "hot" but it's definitely expensive to live here vs. other, more rural parts of Kentucky.

Now, Cherokee Park area (Highlands) can be a very expensive part of Louisville. Lots of older mansions and a few high-rises with apartments in the seven figure range.

You probably did live in this area though; it is near U of L. There is a White Castle (sliders) at the corner of Eastern Parkway and Preston Street, just a few blocks east of U of L's campus.

I live in Germantown, which is between U of L and the Highlands. I can be at U of L in five minutes and Cherokee Park in under 10.
 
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