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Sorry about the link. As someone pointed out ealier, click on "our side of the story" to get to Hasan's letter.

 

[johnniewest]

I saw that too. So is the first class really going to graduate in 2008 and not 2007? Did we miss something here? Also, does H.A. Hasan really have a PhD? I thought he had some sort of Ed degree.

This letter to the editor from hasan ( http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/29/editorial/indexletters.html ) is priceless. Some of my favorites include the info about USN references were a mistake. They were "a mistake" b/c they copied their manuals/books/website/etc from USN and didn't bother to change anything. Didn't they also tell students they could transfer to USN if anything happened. I guess that was another mistake.

My other favorite is this one:
"Our goal is achieving accreditation for our first graduating class in 2008, which will allow these new pharmacists to bring their skills to a health care market that has a huge demand for their knowledge and skills."

If my math is correct, the first class should graduate in 2007 (year 1: 04-05, year 2: 05-06, year 3: 06-07), except for those in "plan B". And this is the Dean that doesn't even know when they are supposed to graduate. So much for a three year program.

It also doesn't address the ACPE requirement that Dean's of pharmacy schools actually be pharmacists. Good luck with that one Hasan (maybe he plans to enroll in HICP?)

 

[JohnUNLV]

I saw that too. So is the first class really going to graduate in 2008 and not 2007? Did we miss something here? Also, does H.A. Hasan really have a PhD? I thought he had some sort Ed degree.

Well, since accreditation was failed last time and will most likely fail again, they wont receive candidate status soon enough for students to do 3rd year, so they will be pushed back to 2018, oops, i mean 2008 😉

Supposedly a PhD in SPECIAL EDUCATION. He was a special ed teacher at waipahu h.s., how pathetic is that that he is the dean of a pharmacy school? Unbelievable.

Someone do a search for Hammam Adib Hasan and whatever school he used to teach at (western, eastern or central michigan university), he defaulted on a car loan from the school's bank, someone check it out, i have to go to work.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Either Hasan is an idiot and he can't do math, or he just confessed about HICP's true plan for not submitting an ACPE application this Oct and having 1st graduating class in 2008....or maybe both...

 

[Caverject]

What a freaking ***** this guy is...

And contrary to the lawsuit, promotional material provided to students before enrollment clearly disclosed the fact that HICP was not an accredited institution.

utter bullcrap. They didn't have the notice on their website until WELL after the class started. If you guys remember, myself (Caverject = South2006) and JDpharmD? got a whole bunch of crap for pointing the very fact that they did not have pre-candidate status and they were being lied to.

The resubmission of the application for accreditation by the ACPE will be submitted by October 1, for further review by the ACPE Council.

uh okay there ace. It will be the first time they have reviewed the application being submitted on October 1. Did you forget they threw your orignal in the garbage can and said get lost?

There is no question HICP has experienced growing pains since being founded, as do many organizations in their first years.

Understatement of the year. It also doesn't help when you create your own growing pain by accepting an "unexpected" 249 students.

Great strides have been made. To ensure compliance with ACPE requirements for enrollment, we have created a plan to ensure that our students can continue their education and the process of becoming pharmacists.

I've never heard of successful progress where you hold over 100 students back a year for no good reason. For accredidation purposes is NOT a valid reason, period.

We have a state-of-the-art facility at Kapolei's James Campbell Building with a computer for each student and a 22,000-square-foot campus. With the addition of 26 new faculty and 150 practice sites, we are stronger now than ever.

I'd love to see the labs at your "state of the art facility! Id also love to see the "practice sites" you have. By the way jackass, nursing homes are not practice sites.

Our administrators have spoken with a great number of students in person and on the phone to assure them that we are committed to their education.

Yeah, in person like knocking front doors in and banging on windows of students that ask you tough questions, right? You sir are a *****.

 

[quacker]

We have a state-of-the-art facility at Kapolei's James Campbell Building with a computer for each student and a 22,000-square-foot campus. With the addition of 26 new faculty and 150 practice sites, we are stronger now than ever.

You mean a "state of the art" facility in Kapolei's Bank of Hawaii where you rented like 2 floors from the place. Where the class rooms have plastic folded tables and chairs. Very state of the art indeed.

 

[HICP_STUDENTS]

Mr. Dooman (the investigator in charge of hicp lawsuit), needs more and more people to complain. Please if you really want your money back click here, it takes two minutes fill out the form and send it. So far we have about fifty people and the more the better and more likely you get your money back. So don't wait any longer. CLICK HERE AND GO FOR IT:

http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/consumer_complaint

DON'T LET THE CRIMINALS GET AWAY WITH THIS. DO NOT LET THEM DO IT TO OTHERS. PLEASE.... STAY TOGETHER AND WE CAN WIN....

 

[HICP_STUDENTS]

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING PRE-CANDICACY STATUS In their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had applied with the American Council on Pharmaceutical Education ("ACPE") for "precandidacy"accreditation status. In fact, Defendants never made such an application to ACPE's Board of Directors, but merely submitted a "draft" application for review and consultation by the staff of ACPE.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING CANDIDACY STATUSIn their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had submitted an application with the ACPE for "candidate" status which would be considered at the June 2004 ACPE Board meeting.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING AFFILIATION

In their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that HlCP was affiliated with the accredited University of Southern Nevada. 53.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING CLASS SIZE 56.

Prospective students were informed and otherwise lead to believe that the inaugural class for HlCP would consist of 120-130 students. 58. In fact, Defendants accepted enrollments from approximately 248 students.



MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING FACILITIES

Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had secured a developer to build a permanent campus which would be completed by early 2005. Construction of such a "permanent campus" has not yet even begun.



SYSTEMATIC BREACH OF CONTRACTS

Prior to enrollment, HlCP students were informed and believed that HlCP was a "three-year" pharmacy school; i.e. that if they successfully passed the required courses, they would be able to graduate in three years. 68. In an attempt to reduce class size, HlCP unilaterally altered the terms of progression through the school; increasing the time which some of the students would take to complete their studies from three to four years or even longer.



DEFENDANT CRISWELL'S PERSONAL LIABILITY

Defendant Criswell actively or passively participated in the illegal activity and/or formulated, directed, supervised, participated in, benefited from, facilitated, controlled, knew and approved of, and committed or caused the commission of the various acts and practices described herein.



DEFENDANT MONROE'S PERSONAL LIABILITY

At all times relevant herein, Defendant Monroe was an officer and/or director of PES. Defendant Monroe actively or passively participated in the illegal activity and/or formulated, directed, supervised, participated in, benefited from, facilitated, controlled, knew and approved of, and committed or caused the commission of the various acts and practices described herein.



In addition to the above complaints:

MISREPRESENTATION OF CURRICULUM OUTLINE

Not enough credit to fulfill year one because classes are missing. Thus, did not fulfilled ACPE guidelines. Faculties were fired and therefore unable to conduct and teaches courses to fulfill year one curriculum. Hence, courses were ommitted in year one curriculum. Breach of contract.

VIOLATION OF STUDENT HANDBOOK OUTLINE

Did not enforce rule regarding to cheating, fail classes, and faculties oversees of exam, eg, remediation process. Authorities were given rather to teaching assistant without credentials.

VIOLATION OF COPY OF RIGHTS

David Monroe teaches law without teaching credentials and took questions verbatim (word for word) from law book (isbn#1-57439-167-4) and internet (washington university) without proper authorization of teaching materials.



See & make Copy your student handbook, p. 6,7, 8, 47-48, 66

make your list...
AND ON AND ON AND ON.......................................................

 

[JohnUNLV]

Mr. Dooman (the investigator in charge of hicp lawsuit), needs more and more people to complain. Please if you really want your money back click here, it takes two minutes fill out the form and send it. So far we have about fifty people and the more the better and more likely you get your money back. So don't wait any longer. CLICK HERE AND GO FOR IT:

http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/consumer_complaint

DON'T LET THE CRIMINALS GET AWAY WITH THIS. DO NOT LET THEM DO IT TO OTHERS. PLEASE.... STAY TOGETHER AND WE CAN WIN....

Yes, anyone who has not yet filled out a complaint, please do so. I have submitted a couple, every time I think of something new.

 

[ucrsandstorm]

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING PRE-CANDICACY STATUS In their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had applied with the American Council on Pharmaceutical Education ("ACPE") for "precandidacy"accreditation status. In fact, Defendants never made such an application to ACPE's Board of Directors, but merely submitted a "draft" application for review and consultation by the staff of ACPE.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING CANDIDACY STATUSIn their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had submitted an application with the ACPE for "candidate" status which would be considered at the June 2004 ACPE Board meeting.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING AFFILIATION

In their websites and other promotional materials, and orally, Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that HlCP was affiliated with the accredited University of Southern Nevada. 53.

MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING CLASS SIZE 56.

Prospective students were informed and otherwise lead to believe that the inaugural class for HlCP would consist of 120-130 students. 58. In fact, Defendants accepted enrollments from approximately 248 students.



MISREPRESENTATIONS REGARDING FACILITIES

Defendants falsely represented, stated and otherwise implied that they had secured a developer to build a permanent campus which would be completed by early 2005. Construction of such a "permanent campus" has not yet even begun.



SYSTEMATIC BREACH OF CONTRACTS

Prior to enrollment, HlCP students were informed and believed that HlCP was a "three-year" pharmacy school; i.e. that if they successfully passed the required courses, they would be able to graduate in three years. 68. In an attempt to reduce class size, HlCP unilaterally altered the terms of progression through the school; increasing the time which some of the students would take to complete their studies from three to four years or even longer.



DEFENDANT CRISWELL'S PERSONAL LIABILITY

Defendant Criswell actively or passively participated in the illegal activity and/or formulated, directed, supervised, participated in, benefited from, facilitated, controlled, knew and approved of, and committed or caused the commission of the various acts and practices described herein.



DEFENDANT MONROE'S PERSONAL LIABILITY

At all times relevant herein, Defendant Monroe was an officer and/or director of PES. Defendant Monroe actively or passively participated in the illegal activity and/or formulated, directed, supervised, participated in, benefited from, facilitated, controlled, knew and approved of, and committed or caused the commission of the various acts and practices described herein.



In addition to the above complaints:

MISREPRESENTATION OF CURRICULUM OUTLINE

Not enough credit to fulfill year one because classes are missing. Thus, did not fulfilled ACPE guidelines. Faculties were fired and therefore unable to conduct and teaches courses to fulfill year one curriculum. Hence, courses were ommitted in year one curriculum. Breach of contract.

VIOLATION OF STUDENT HANDBOOK OUTLINE

Did not enforce rule regarding to cheating, fail classes, and faculties oversees of exam, eg, remediation process. Authorities were given rather to teaching assistant without credentials.

VIOLATION OF COPY OF RIGHTS

David Monroe teaches law without teaching credentials and took questions verbatim (word for word) from law book (isbn#1-57439-167-4) and internet (washington university) without proper authorization of teaching materials.



See & make Copy your student handbook, p. 6,7, 8, 47-48, 66

make your list...
AND ON AND ON AND ON.......................................................

I don't think every student recieved this handbook (2003-04)

 

[DoTheRightThing]

UCRSandStorm,

Yeah, I don't think everyone receieved the initial handbook that "mistakenly" affilated HICP with USN. However, all the other charges are still relavent.

Since the handbook is considered as "promotinal material," I think if you "read or saw" the handbook from another student, that would've been misleading.

 

[lord999]

Someone's idea of posting the names and ranks of the pharmacy faculty involved is a valid one. Would someone please do so, particularly if they are pharmacists that have licenses. I would be perfectly happy to initiate a "moral turpitude" charge on their licenses if they happen to be licensed in MN or AZ.

Pharmacists who work for organizations that are conducting unethical practices without complaining are held complicitly guilty as accessories in licensure inquiries.

 

[HICP-Mistake]

Here is an email a desperate student sent out on yahoo group... I know hasan and Vu are trying to con the students in writting good things about the school so they can give to DCCA. What a joke!

To my dear friends,

I wish that the allegation can wait after the decision of ACPE in January. The main problem is accreditation and HICP is working toward it. Recently, HICP is hiring new faculty, making contact to ACPE, and having a new comprehensive curriculum for PY1 and PY2, etc.

Please give HICP one more chance and support it. It is your school. Let HICP submit their accreditation application in October. What if ACPE would grant an on-site visit in January 2006 (and eventually candidate status) to HICP. If the school messes up again, then the allegation are there to protect us. It is never too late for that. Then, it can proceed to get our money back.

If you choose to defer the lawsuit until 2006, please email to Dr. Hasan of your ideas and some of the positive things that happens recently so that he can forward it to a publicist.

I have gone through what you have gone for the last year. I am writing this message from my heart. I am not Dr. Hasan's spy if there is any. My mere intent is to see if HICP can get an on-site visit from ACPE in 2006 or not. We have gone through a year of trouble. Let's not lose that year if it is not mend to be lost. Give HICP a chance.

If you say some positive things about HICP it would helps for now. I think it's time to vote. Don't be quiet. "Everyone needs to vote" said Dr. Batz. "Are you from Switzerland" said Dr. Belloto. Please voice your vote. SAVE OUR SCHOOL NOW.

PS: I think Dr. Hasan is getting the blame, yet he is working very hard to get the school toward accreditation (e.g. getting new faculty, contacting with ACPE, preparing the application, etc.) "You are attacking the wrong person." And at least, I respect him also because of the fact that he is about my dad's age.

I also respect your opinion even if it's opposite to what I think.

Dao M. Trinh

 

[HICP-Mistake]

Does anyone know the background of Scott Banks. He is in the corporation and the chief Financial Officer at the school. He is the puppet of Hasan and we all know for a fact that he is here on a work Visa from Canada.

Back to Canada you go. Working in this corporation isnt gonna look good thats for sure.

 

[OoShimmeroO]

If you say some positive things about HICP it would helps for now. I think it's time to vote. Don't be quiet. "Everyone needs to vote" said Dr. Batz. "Are you from Switzerland" said Dr. Belloto. Please voice your vote. SAVE OUR SCHOOL NOW.


Dao M. Trinh

What does the "Are you from Switzerland" comment supposed to mean?

 

[pharmaz88]

What does the "Are you from Switzerland" comment supposed to mean?

Switzerland = neutral = not taking either side

 

[imperial frog]

Switzerland = neutral = not taking either side

Shouldn't that be "supposedly" neutral? Switzerland did seem to swing to whichever side that benefited them at the time.

 

[ucrsandstorm]

Here is an email a desperate student sent out on yahoo group... I know hasan and Vu are trying to con the students in writting good things about the school so they can give to DCCA. What a joke!

To my dear friends,

I wish that the allegation can wait after the decision of ACPE in January. The main problem is accreditation and HICP is working toward it. Recently, HICP is hiring new faculty, making contact to ACPE, and having a new comprehensive curriculum for PY1 and PY2, etc.

Please give HICP one more chance and support it. It is your school. Let HICP submit their accreditation application in October. What if ACPE would grant an on-site visit in January 2006 (and eventually candidate status) to HICP. If the school messes up again, then the allegation are there to protect us. It is never too late for that. Then, it can proceed to get our money back.

If you choose to defer the lawsuit until 2006, please email to Dr. Hasan of your ideas and some of the positive things that happens recently so that he can forward it to a publicist.

I have gone through what you have gone for the last year. I am writing this message from my heart. I am not Dr. Hasan's spy if there is any. My mere intent is to see if HICP can get an on-site visit from ACPE in 2006 or not. We have gone through a year of trouble. Let's not lose that year if it is not mend to be lost. Give HICP a chance.

If you say some positive things about HICP it would helps for now. I think it's time to vote. Don't be quiet. "Everyone needs to vote" said Dr. Batz. "Are you from Switzerland" said Dr. Belloto. Please voice your vote. SAVE OUR SCHOOL NOW.

PS: I think Dr. Hasan is getting the blame, yet he is working very hard to get the school toward accreditation (e.g. getting new faculty, contacting with ACPE, preparing the application, etc.) "You are attacking the wrong person." And at least, I respect him also because of the fact that he is about my dad's age.

I also respect your opinion even if it's opposite to what I think.

Dao M. Trinh

Dao, I resent the fact that you are even saying anything about Dr. Batz. It is appalling for students who complained against Batz, now using his teachings for your own misguided arguments. Did Dr. Batz also say, "when you know something is wrong, it is your duty as a pharmacist to stop, admit your mistakes, and correct it as humanly possible." Didn't he tell you and all of us to do the right thing and be professional? By using Dr. Batz's name now, it is pitiful and exploitive.

When Dr. Batz was deviously forced out, why didn’t you stand up when you knew something was wrong? Everyone knew that the Vu brothers lied about their story. Everyone knew about students lying about stealing an exam. Why didn't you tell Hasan how disgusted you were about his oppression and demeanor? Didn't we need a full time qualified faculty member? Did you stay quiet and hide in the crowd of 240 or were you cheering deep down inside?

Concerning "spies", how did Pej, Poo, Amata get served temporary restraining orders? How did Hasan find out which students were there? How did the names of students at that meeting get put on a list and given to Hasan? Fellow students like you are failing to recognize the magnitude of the situation. In addition if a few HICP students are willing to make false and misleading statements like they have in the past, then all I can say is it will be disastrous not to mention fraudulent. If and when the DCCA has its way there will not be anything to come back too.

You’re going to give people who have deliberately lied to you about almost everything another chance. As a friend and fellow student please cease and desist. Reconsider what you’re asking of you and others to do.

If you decided to stay then alright but do not ask innocent people to make sacrifices like the one you’re going to make. When concerned students asked me what to do? I said, "it’s up to you. I can't make major decisions for you" I advised them to, "take in what you have seen and heard and make you OWN decision." NEVER, NEVER, did I try to manipulate others. PLEASE STOP. PLEASE STOP, whatever Hasan is trying to put you and others “spies” up to. Don’t tell me no one reports back to him. Why does Hasan only see and speak to specific students and not to others? Isn’t that discrimination?

Dao
1 - Did HICP say they were going to build a building last October 2004? NO? Then when, June 2005? Well JUNE past already.
2 - Did HICP tell you they were affiliated with another HI school?
3 - Did HICP tell you not worry and candidate and it was going to be obtained the first time?
4 - Did HICP tell you the class size was 240?
5 - When did HICP tell you to sign the handbook? After we matriculated right?

IT IS WRONG FOR ANY STUDENT TO WRITE FALSE INFORMATION. If HICP students are willing to be deceptive and dishonest then how are you going to be a pharmacist? I suggest that you be honest with yourself first. Dao, you are a smart person. Ask the tough questions. Don't be scared. Do the answers make sense? Or is it something you want to believe or hear?

Why didn't HICP put anything in writing? If HICP is SO confident that they will succeed then why don't they guarantee that you will be SAFE? Why don't they put their MONEY where their mouth is? Isn't that exactly what I told you before I left?

Dao I don't want to get into it with you because I still respect you and consider you a "misguided" friend. I know you are only trying your best. However, if you made your decision then good but don’t conduct Hasan’s dirty work or make it seem like you are or not. Leave students alone and don’t mislead them to think that the situation is fine and dandy when it isn't. And especially, don’t use former faculty members to support your claims when you weren’t there to back them up.

Sincerely
Former Student Body President

 

[lava2]

Dao, I resent the fact that you are even saying anything about Dr. Batz. It is appalling for students who complained against Batz, now using his teachings for your own misguided arguments. Did Dr. Batz also say, "when you know something is wrong, it is your duty as a pharmacist to stop, admit your mistakes, and correct it as humanly possible." Didn't he tell you and all of us to do the right thing and be professional? By using Dr. Batz's name now, it is pitiful and exploitive.

When Dr. Batz was deviously forced out, why didn’t you stand up when you knew something was wrong? Everyone knew that the Vu brothers lied about their story. Everyone knew about students lying about stealing an exam. Why didn't you tell Hasan how disgusted you were about his oppression and demeanor? Didn't we need a full time qualified faculty member? Did you stay quiet and hide in the crowd of 240 or were you cheering deep down inside?

Concerning "spies", how did Pej, Poo, Amata get served temporary restraining orders? How did Hasan find out which students were there? How did a list of students at that meeting get put on a list and given to Hasan? Fellow students like you are failing to recognize the magnitude of the situation. In addition if a few HICP students are willing to make false and misleading statements like they have in the past, then all I can say is it will be disastrous not to mention fraudulent. If and when the DCCA has its way there will not be anything to come back too.

You’re going to give people who have deliberately lied to you about almost everything another chance. As a friend and fellow student please cease and disist. Reconsider what you’re asking of you and others to do.

If you decided to stay then alright but do not ask innocent people to make sacrifices like the one you’re going to make. When concerned students asked me what to do? I said, "it’s up to you. I can't make major decisions for you" I advised them to, "take in what you have seen and heard and make you OWN decision." NEVER, NEVER, did I try to manipulate others. PLEASE STOP. PLEASE STOP, whatever Hasan is trying to put you and others “spies” up to? Don’t tell me no one reports back to him. Why does Hasan only see and speak to specific students and not to others? Isn’t that discrimination?

Dao
1 - Did HICP say they were going to build a building last October 2004? NO? Then when, June 2005? Well JUNE past already.
2 - Did HICP tell you they were affiliated with another HI school?
3 - Did HICP tell you not worry and candidate and it was going to be obtained the first time?
4 - Did HICP tell you the class size was 240?
5 - When did HICP tell you to sign the handbook? After we matriculated right?

IT IS WRONG FOR ANY STUDENT TO WRITE FALSE INFORMATION. If HICP students are willing to be deceptive and dishonest then how are you going to be a pharmacist? I suggest that you be honest with yourself first. Dao, you are a smart person. Ask the tough questions. Don't be scared. Do the answers make sense? Or is it something you want to believe?

Why didn't they put anything in writing? If HICP is SO confident that they will succeed then why don't they insure and guarantee that you will be SAFE? Why don't they put their MONEY where their mouth is? Isn't that exactly what I told you before I left? And what did you say?

Dao I don't want to get into with you because I still respect you and consider you a misguided friend. I know you are only trying your best. HOWEVER, if you made your decision then good. But don’t conduct Hasan’s dirty work or make it seem like you or not. Leave students alone and don’t mislead them to think that the situation is fine and dandy when it isn't. And especially, don’t use former faculty members to support your claims when you weren’t there to back them up.

Sincerely
Former Student Body President

👍

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Well, in the context of Dr. Bellato, "Switzerland" meant to pick a side, anyside, doesn't 'matter if it was benifitcial or not.

This came about when Dr. Ballato would ask a yes or no. or pick A or B question. He expected everyone to vote either Yes or No, or A or B...however, out of 240 students only a combined about 70 students would vote total...this leaving the class "vote less" or "neurtral" or "from Switzerland"

 

[OoShimmeroO]

Thanks for the clarification 🙂

 

[DayDreamer]

Well, in the context of Dr. Batz, "Switzerland" meant to pick a side, anyside, doesn't 'matter if it was benifitcial or not.

This came about when Dr. Batz would ask a yes or no. or pick A or B question. He expected everyone to vote either Yes or No, or A or B...however, out of 240 students only a combined about 70 students would vote total...this leaving the class "vote less" or "neurtral" or "from Switzerland"

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I think you are talking about Dr. Belloto, not Dr. Batz.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

My response to Dao Trinh

*First off, I would like to comment on how HICP is trying to inject
BIAS and shutting out any OPINION against it. Thanks alot AUGGIE for
screening out peoples' opinions/truth on HICP Yahoo Group. The smart people already know, all the "not so bright" people are falling for the propaganda.

To: Dao Trinh,

I respect you for voicing your opinion, and it's great that all
students on the Yahoo group can view your message. However, when I
post my "appropreiate" (respectful and clean of any bad language)
message, it seems they never get posted. My messages have views that
are opposite of HICP's views, but people have different prespective,
and it's "healthy" to get both side to every story. I have to go
through more trouble to copy and paste student's e-mails to get MY
VOICE out..and not every student gets it. (So I hope students spread
the e-mails around).

I want to respond to your messge Dao Trinh.

1) Does it matter if the "allegations" are brought up now or after
January? If there is a problem you would want to address it AS SO AS
POSSIBLE. And HICP has shown through out the year it can't do this; it
waits until the last possible moment to act. The main problem ISN'T
ACCREDITATION!!!! The problem is the peoeple who run HICP. ACPE
grantes accreditation to schools, and they have been doing so for
quite awhile now. HICP isn't accreditated or going to is because HICP
DOESN'T DESERVE to!! "HICP is hiring new faculty" What do you expect
them to do? A school needs teachers....why didn't you hire then 1 year
ago...and whey did you FIRE/DISMISS all of the ORIGNAL GOOD teachers
with no GOOD EXPLAINATION?!?!! And what makes you think these new
teachers will stay? All the orginal teacher knows what is and has been
going on. HICP hires new teachers and tell them lies about our school.
They hire a psych and tell them the students are stressed and on the
brink of going insane, but they don't tell him it's because of them.
"Making Contact to ACPE" What else are they suppose to do? You are
making things HICP does like something "Special" or "Extraordinary"
These steps are things EVERY pharmay school does! Nothing Special!
"New Comprehensive Curriculum" Think about it. PY1 curriculum took 1
year to put together (and some/most of the curriculum was
borrowed/stolen from other schools). The "Tri-modular Diagonal
Intergration" proved to be nothing more then Mombo Jumbo because it
DOESN'T WORK (created by Dr. Hasan, he even sad so himself).

HOW COMPREHENSIVE DO YOU THINK THE NEW CURRICULUM WILL BE, THEY ONLY
HAD 2 MONTHS TO WORK ON IT!! The curriculum will be great, Dr. Hasan,
Dr. Vu, Auggie, Scott Banks, and Dr. Nixon will come up with a good
one!

2) "Please give HICP one more chance" How many chances do you think
the students gave HICP? More then enough have we bare and lived
through all the LIES they told us. LIES = MISREPRESENTATION (That's a
FACT not OPINION). The allegations are here because they can be
"backed up". Dr. Hasan charging 3 students for violence is
unsupported. The court throw out the charges because it DIDN'T happen.
Hasan knew it, that's why he didn't even show up to court! Coward!!

I filed my complaint to DCCA. I have the right to complain, I'm a
student and I paid tuititon. Right now, I don't plan on ever getting
my money back. You see how many HOUSES they bought with CORPORATION
money? Monroe and Criswell ran almost half a dozen other Corporations
what when south. Money has been spent and transfered. Since I passed
all my P1 classes, but they don't count, I don't think it would be
fair to pay. Who would pay for something and get nothing?

3) As of now, publicly there is 1 student as well as the state of
Hawaii is "sueing" the school. Hawaii is "sueing" on behalf of the
"general public" and not the students. The DCCA is not sueing for
damages; they want HICP to comply with all Hawaii law, and if they win
they only request the court to pay restitution to the students
(basically tutition back only). It is only a CIVIL case not a CRIMINAL
case

4) Students are voiceing out their concerns (even comments that don't
agree with the school), only to receieve harrassment from Hasan. And
the Faculty don't even set up times to meet with students. They are
alway "unavaible" or "in mettings", try to e-mail them and you will
get no timely or direct response. What's Dr. Vu job description?
Associate Dean of Student Services...she doesn't know what is going
on, she always answers "I don't know" Then what's the point of hiring
her? She walks around and browses the internet the entire day, I know
I see her.

5) "Hasan is getting the blame." Yes, he fires teachers and is
running the schoool. Who else do you want to blame...ACPE? The State
of Hawaii? The Students? YOU TELL ME WHO IS TO BLAME??!

Honestly, students who are comming back are doing what they have to
do, and students who are not comming back are doing what we have to
do. So you and I are no different. We see and believe in different
things...that's no different about anything else in life.

-2004-2005 HICP Student

 

[DoTheRightThing]

I don't understand what you are trying to say. I think you are talking about Dr. Belloto, not Dr. Batz.

Sorry you are correct, i fixed it

 

[HICP-Mistake]

Hello world. Here are some messages from the IT guy at HICP sent around the months of June and July. These messages come from the yahoo group that was set up by the school to talk to incoming students. Look at all the lies. Auggie I hope to see you in court since you also i guess were with Hasan and Monroe who went banging on students doors. You know you are responsible dont you. Quit doing everything they say. I know your not to blame but stick up for whats right They are using you like they are using Scott Banks, Heather, Brandy, Cindy, Shalyn, Amy. All of you guys are to blame if you decide to work at such a dishonest and unethical place.

Hasan- "are you gonna punk out now"
Monroe- "can I make you whole"
Banks- um...I have been asked to read this from my boss. I dont do anything on my own. See you in Canada buddy.....

"STRIVE FOR THE HIGHEST"

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From: "Agustin A. Macalipis, Jr." <auggiehicp@...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:52 pm
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wrote:
> Would the website address change to .edu?

Since we are not yet accredited, we do not qualify for
the "Education" suffix within our URL. We hope to change that when
we achieve accreditation by next year.

Sincerely,
Auggie


From: "Agustin A. Macalipis, Jr." <auggiehicp@...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:17 pm
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wrote:
I was wondering if you knew the best time
to make an appointment to visit HICP. Is the Weekend or Weekday
better to visit the faculty?

It depends, so please call 808-674-9996 to make an appointment.
From previous student visits, many have come on a weekday usually
about 11:00 am. However, if you have questions on academics; e.g.
curriculum, your best bet would be the weekends when the dean and
faculty are present.

Sincerely,
Auggie




From: "Agustin A. Macalipis, Jr." <auggiehicp@...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:07 pm
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wrote:
> Auggie,
>
> I was just wondering when a schedule will be available to us. I
> would like to know when the breaks in the school year are, and
also
> know when the best time to work would be.

Dr. Monroe tells me that the final schedule is
being formalized by Dean Bhagavan and will be sent out and/or posted
as soon as they work out the details. However, since this is a
cohort modular system of delivery all students will be on the same
schedule, which is approximately 7:30 - 8:00 am until around 4:00
pm. Monday through Friday. Students find that they are able to work
limited weekday evening hours but weekend hours are open. Many
students who have experienced the module or block system find that
they can fit in study hours during the day schedule while they are
in regular class . . .

Sincerely
Dr. Denise A. Criswell


Fri Jul 2, 2004 6:46 pm
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wrote:

> It is to be held
> on Mon Sept27-Oct1, the entire week, correct?
Yes.

> I had several other questions for you.
> 1) Do you know when HICP will begin construction on
> its new facilities?
I have heard Mr. Park say that groundbreaking would
take place in six months.

> 2) How long will we be in the temporary classes?
From what I understand, the inaugural class will have
its first year at the Bankoh Hale O Kapolei building.

> 3) Is their a cafeteria or library for students to
> use?
Yes, there is an "employee cafeteria" for the Bankoh
Hale employees, but many non-Bankoh employees,
including we at HICP, utilize their services and
vending machines. Prices are so-so, but you can get a
pretty good breakfast for $3.50. Also, many fast food
places line Kamokila Boulevard which includes Burger
King, McDonald's, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, Wendy's, L&L's
(which you all may know as "L&L's Hawaiian Barbecue"
on the U.S. mainland).

Mahalo a me Hau'oli Hapaha o Iulai,
("Thanks and have a Happy Fourth of July")
Auggie


From: Auggie Macalipis <auggiehicp@...>
Date: Fri Jul 2, 2004 6:53 pm
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--- wrote:
> Do you know how many people will be attending this
> fall?
I've heard from 130 to 180. But you may want to call
Dr. Monroe or Mr. Park about the exact figure.

808-674-9996
Sincerely,
Auggie

 

[lava2]

Does anyone know the background of Scott Banks. He is in the corporation and the chief Financial Officer at the school. He is the puppet of Hasan and we all know for a fact that he is here on a work Visa from Canada.

Back to Canada you go. Working in this corporation isnt gonna look good thats for sure.

This is what I found while researching. Scott Banks,MBA in Bus. Admin. from the University of Calgary, Alberta Canada.
He got his BA from the University of Regina, SK
He worked for Calgary Business Center/ West Economic Division.
He worked at Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
He also worked for The Dept. of Foreign Affairs and International Trade.

This guy is pretty smart and he knows exactly what he is involved in and doing at HICP. HE IS NO VICTIM..
Yes, he and his wife are both here on Visa and they BOTH are employed by Pacific Educational Services, that's two incomes from our Tuition money.

 

[lava2]

Someone's idea of posting the names and ranks of the pharmacy faculty involved is a valid one. Would someone please do so, particularly if they are pharmacists that have licenses. I would be perfectly happy to initiate a "moral turpitude" charge on their licenses if they happen to be licensed in MN or AZ.

Pharmacists who work for organizations that are conducting unethical practices without complaining are held complicitly guilty as accessories in licensure inquiries.

Well, as you all know there are barely any Pharmacist working at HICP, a pharmacy school (very ironic).
The only ones I can remember since JUly that were working there are:
By the way, Antimisiaris, Vu and Phan all know exactly what is going on at HICP and go along w/it.1. Demetra Antimisiaris, PharmD-----Associate Dean
Got her PharmD at UOP,CA and previously worked at the University of Kentucky (I think she's licensed in KY,CA,and HI)not sure.
2. Ken Wong, PharmD. Assistant Professor
He might of went to Universit of Washington, but not really sure.
3. Diep Vu, PharmD. ---Assist Dean of Student Affairs and ??
She got her PharmD from UOP (I believe) and has no Academic experience.
She came to HI from CA
4. Well Hasan announced Edmund Unikel PharmD., from Southern Calif., but I've never seen him on campus (ever).
5. Susie Phan, PharmD. ---Clinical Coordinator
She graduated in 2004 from USN---does anyone know if she's still around?

6. Dr. Belloto--but he seems to be totally on the students side and was the only Pharmacist with the courage and to always tell the students the truth, no matter what the cost. 👍

Does anyone have more to add or delete??
Wow, this isn't very much considering 231 students all finished on July 15.

 

[ucrsandstorm]

Is Dr. Tom, Dr. Kamabyashi, and Dr. Grosnell still with the school? They were there when I had left.

 

[CAGinseng]

Hello world. Here are some messages from the IT guy at HICP sent around the months of June and July. These messages come from the yahoo group that was set up by the school to talk to incoming students. Look at all the lies. Auggie I hope to see you in court since you also i guess were with Hasan and Monroe who went banging on students doors. You know you are responsible dont you. Quit doing everything they say. I know your not to blame but stick up for whats right They are using you like they are using Scott Banks, Heather, Brandy, Cindy, Shalyn, Amy. All of you guys are to blame if you decide to work at such a dishonest and unethical place.

From HICP-mistake

Well now everything is in the open. I agree with this quote. All the staff at HICP has witnessed and experienced the unethical, illegal and corrupt business practices that have been occurring at HICP. Every single employee currently at HICP has participated in the wrong of HICP. You all have no excuse for being accomplices to Hasan and Monroe. Every single current employee knows and has seen the wrong and still remain at HICP, following orders, doing the DIRTY WORK for Monroe and Criswell.
Monroe and Criswell say what they want done, but guess who does it for them? YOU, yes from Hasan and down... ALL of YOU.
I just hope you can all get jobs in Hawaii when this is all over, since your names most likely will come out in Trial and be all over the papers.
Good luck and for you nice ones, that's too bad that you are still participating in this scam.

 

[keepingupwynns]

New facility with a computer for each student. We had 20 computers with 14 in screens with "clients" that ran off the "mainframe/server". I really doubt they have anything new. Nathan Wheeler, your an unqualified IT guy = basically a *****! And Auggie (AKA wanna be IT guy), your still Monroe's B!tch

For a time, it was as tho Mr. Auggie was Mr. Nathan's BEEyatch. Hehehehehe! 👍

 

[keepingupwynns]

HOW COMPREHENSIVE DO YOU THINK THE NEW CURRICULUM WILL BE, THEY ONLY
HAD 2 MONTHS TO WORK ON IT!! The curriculum will be great, Dr. Hasan,
Dr. Vu, Auggie, Scott Banks, and Dr. Nixon will come up with a good
one!

Now that is bad...a "Technical Services Engineer" 👎 😱 who probably does not have a high school diploma articulating a PharmD curriculum. He even misspelled the word on the yahoo group.

Come on Auggie, we know you're reading this thread. Stop being a wimp and say something! What's the truth? Or what lies do you have to post?

"Sincerely and mahoola newbie loofa," Auggie's stupid boilerplate closer in all his emails.

You're just a male TA... go hang with the other girls...

 

[hawaii90210]

"Patty Ku" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:07:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [hicp2004] Save our school


Hey Dao,

I think is such a great idea to write letters. At least we have a 1% chance to save our school. I mean if we don't do anything then we will have no chance. Since we already spend so much money and time into this school, then we should save it. I will write the letter right away and i think you should spread the word. Thank you for giving us a idea.

Patty
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This is what i called brainwashing the students or may be she's desperated enought to think the school will succeed.. this same person just 2 months ago thought that the school was very unethical, demoralized and always said that she'd defer and not to continue.... and now look at what she's doing?? perhaps this is one of Hasan's girl/spy?? Patty, what did Hasan promised you that make you change ur mind about the school? are You the one that ratted out Pej, Poo and Amata, and the other 2 students regarding the meeting held at their residential area? were you the one that almost got 27 students from being suepended from the school right after the final when they called to come into a room in Kapolei Bldg??

with all due respect to my fellow classmates at HICP that still believe in the school administrators, what did you see that are positive going on at HICP? All i've seen were the fact they lied to students and continued to lie to them again. Every single concern that was being voiced at each townhall got back response such as "we're working on it" or "you still have faith in me right?" up to the point that administrator (owner and dean) threatened to kick students out if they stir up trouble. HECK, they did kick out 3 innocent men who just try to get answers from them. IS THIS HOW PHARMACY SCHOOL FUNCTION? IS THIS ETHICAL TO YOU? You asked us students to give HICP a chance, give them another shot at accreditation, but do you realize that the damage has been done and nothing can reverse that? they(HICP) lied to us regarding about "plan B" with the advices from ACPE, forcing students to repeat year 1 courses over again when they've passed every single courses, or switching the rank of students from the 2nd list (ie like Patty Ku above) to the 1st list because they know those not so bright ppl are desperated enough to try everything, including shielding the truth out.... after the email that Dr. Vlasses of ACPE sent to some students stating that ACPE did not advice HICP on anything and with all the current news happen lately.. What make you think HICP will come through this time ??
last but not least, I paid my share of the tuition just like you do. 28K+ is a lot of money to be wasted if the school is being shut down and of course no one at HICP wants that to happen. However, if the school is commited to unethical, demoralized practice then it deserves to be shut down. I filed my complaints with DCCA and that's my personal choice/right. Dont you go around and tell others students to lie about the school or stop them from file complaints. If you are doing whatever it takes to stop those students, then you are just as low and scum bag like MONROE, HASAN & CRISWELL.

 

[lava2]

"Patty Ku" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:07:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: Re: [hicp2004] Save our school


Hey Dao,

I think is such a great idea to write letters. At least we have a 1% chance to save our school. I mean if we don't do anything then we will have no chance. Since we already spend so much money and time into this school, then we should save it. I will write the letter right away and i think you should spread the word. Thank you for giving us a idea.

Patty
-------------------------------------
This is what i called brainwashing the students or may be she's desperated enought to think the school will succeed.. this same person just 2 months ago thought that the school was very unethical, demoralized and always said that she'd defer and not to continue.... and now look at what she's doing?? perhaps this is one of Hasan's girl/spy?? Patty, what did Hasan promised you that make you change ur mind about the school? are You the one that ratted out Pej, Poo and Amata, and the other 2 students regarding the meeting held at their residential area? were you the one that almost got 27 students from being suepended from the school right after the final when they called to come into a room in Kapolei Bldg??

with all due respect to my fellow classmates at HICP that still believe in the school administrators, what did you see that are positive going on at HICP? All i've seen were the fact they lied to students and continued to lie to them again. Every single concern that was being voiced at each townhall got back response such as "we're working on it" or "you still have faith in me right?" up to the point that administrator (owner and dean) threatened to kick students out if they stir up trouble. HECK, they did kick out 3 innocent men who just try to get answers from them. IS THIS HOW PHARMACY SCHOOL FUNCTION? IS THIS ETHICAL TO YOU? You asked us students to give HICP a chance, give them another shot at accreditation, but do you realize that the damage has been done and nothing can reverse that? they(HICP) lied to us regarding about "plan B" with the advices from ACPE, forcing students to repeat year 1 courses over again when they've passed every single courses, or switching the rank of students from the 2nd list (ie like Patty Ku above) to the 1st list because they know those not so bright ppl are desperated enough to try everything, including shielding the truth out.... after the email that Dr. Vlasses of ACPE sent to some students stating that ACPE did not advice HICP on anything and with all the current news happen lately.. What make you think HICP will come through this time ??
last but not least, I paid my share of the tuition just like you do. 28K+ is a lot of money to be wasted if the school is being shut down and of course no one at HICP wants that to happen. However, if the school is commited to unethical, demoralized practice then it deserves to be shut down. I filed my complaints with DCCA and that's my personal choice/right. Dont you go around and tell others students to lie about the school or stop them from file complaints. If you are doing whatever it takes to stop those students, then you are just as low and scum bag like MONROE, HASAN & CRISWELL.

Ms. Patty, I sure hope it was not you who got P, P, and A involved in that mess. Those three had so much passion for HICP and if you did not see it than I don't know what to tell you. It is our right (due process) to ask questions and those guys happened to ask the tougher questions, which we should all respect b/c we were all in this together as student pharmacists should of been. Does anyone know if she was present at the gathering? What a hypocrite!

The school has done its damage and it can never be repaired. Based on this terrible situation, many have been hurt both emotionally and financially. I will never feel the need to disrespect any of the students b/c we are all victims, including Dao and Patty. The facts are all out there and even if the State didn't issue the law suit, HICP is still not even close to meeting ACPE standards. Please read, analyze and study the standards on the ACPE website carefully. Call them up and ask specific questions regarding those standards and if HICP meets them based on what you know. But do not make decisons for others based on your 1% hopeless chance. It is only harming others. The school never has had any facts that it was doing something positive for us. Numerous times we were led to believe something that did not come true, and yet some still believe. All HICP has left are some students who are still in denial and who are not driven to move on in their lives.

We all wanted to make this work, but now that everything is slowly coming out in the open it is time to stand up for our rights. Stop being misled by unqualified people who are desperately struggling and pretending that they know how to make this work. The main point is, make a wise decision for yourself and don't try to influence others b/c in the long run you will just be contributing to not only your own faults but to others' misconceptions. That would not be an ethical decision. MUCH RESPECT TO ALL THE STUDENTS WHO HAVE SUFFERED HERE AT THE HICP . . . ALL OF US HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Patty
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This is what i called brainwashing the students or may be she's desperated enought to think the school will succeed.. this same person just 2 months ago thought that the school was very unethical, demoralized and always said that she'd defer and not to continue...

I can second this. I spoke to Patty a month ago and she didn't think the school was ran ethically and she knew the school was/is in a bad position. And today, I check my Inbox and I read what she said, and I was like WTF? First thing to my mind is Hasan Spy!

I was there at the "student residential meeting," and it was nice to see all the people who showed up and supported doing something about our school, not in a negative way, but constructive way. Obviously the school didn't want to listen to what we had to say, so we went to someone who did, the DCCA. You feel backstabbed that someone in the room with you would do something like that, go tell Hasan "rumors" and stuff.

Students who are staying are 1% Hoping and 99% "Believing" Try driving a car with your eyes closed and Believe 99% of the time you won't hit anything. Good luck getting your Pharm D Degree. I opt to goto a school where it's 100% "Trying and Earning" a Pharm D Degree

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Myself, as well as another student who goes by Con Artist, usually send e-mail to students (those that we have e-mail address of) updates and our person comments (like the one I posted above). If you want me to add you to the e-mail list, post them or e-mail them to [email protected]

Sometimes I get greeting from students who have the same views as I do, but sometimes I get e-mails with different views, which is ok...I respect people's opinions. But I get some nasty ones too

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Is Dr. Tom, Dr. Kamabyashi, and Dr. Grosnell still with the school? They were there when I had left.

As of after you left, Hasan announced Dr Tom and his wife, and Dr. Kamabyashi has signed a contract for next years. I don't remember if Dr. Grosnell did or not

 

[RxGuy]

I think Dr. Hasan is getting the blame, yet he is working very hard to get the school toward accreditation (e.g. getting new faculty, contacting with ACPE, preparing the application, etc.) "You are attacking the wrong person." And at least, I respect him also because of the fact that he is about my dad's age.


Dao M. Trinh

Respect??? Because Hasan is you Dad's age. I'm sure Charles Manson is someone's dad's age but I don't accolades being thrown his way.

 

[RxGuy]

With the UH-Hilo pharmacy program accepting students in 2007, maybe HICP students need to change focus. While they also must go through ACPE accreditation, they already have WASC accreditation wihich places them significantly ahead of HICP. I think based on the legal problems, the majority of experential sites will withdraw from any agreements to take HICP students

I think most public universities would be open to accepting non resident students that would foot the entire bill for their education (as opposed to in state students paying a reduced rate). This would likely be less than $28,000 that is currently being conned out of present disillusioned students that intend on returning to a non-existent school.

 

[Jeddevil]

Dao, you are a smart person.

Wow, that is a stretch. The guy is begging people to waste another 50 grand for nothing. That is not smart. It is desperate. He does appear to be the typical HICP student. Probably why only about 50 of your students had contacted the authorities. The rest are holding onto the dream that they will wake up and HICP will be a legitimate, accredited school. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Good luck getting money back. There is not going to be any, it will be spent, hidden, etc. You can sue for damages but they will just declare bankruptcy, as they will have to do when asked to give back the original 7 million anyways.

But for the love of god, don't give these crooks any more spending cash to buy multiple homes with. Cut your losses and move on. There are plenty of legitimate schools out there, and if you are a decent student, you will get into another school.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

With the UH-Hilo pharmacy program accepting students in 2007, maybe HICP students need to change focus. While they also must go through ACPE accreditation, they already have WASC accreditation wihich places them significantly ahead of HICP. I think based on the legal problems, the majority of experential sites will withdraw from any agreements to take HICP students

I think most public universities would be open to accepting non resident students that would foot the entire bill for their education (as opposed to in state students paying a reduced rate). This would likely be less than $28,000 that is currently being conned out of present disillusioned students that intend on returning to a non-existent school.

Yeah, UH-Hilo is accepting in 2007...as of now I think most students as well as myself will try to apply for 2006-2007 school year on the Continuous 48 state. Most of the HICP students are SICK of HAWAII. We had such a horrible experience here, I don't think I will ever come back to this place!

I agree with you, based on the situation HICP has at hand, many of the sites that agreed to experiential sites will withdraw (contradictory to Hasan statment, over 150 sites). Dr. Borha, the orignal associate dean of clinical pratice (I think that was her job title), was the one who tired to get exp. site. The site had a contract with her saying that she had to "work" or "provide" her time to the sites for them to agree to take in students. Since she's gone now, I don't know what will happen.

Most universities/college will take out of state students...but at a very low rate, maybe no more then 5%, the rest they will take in-state. And public school charges very low tuition. Some student e-mailed a list of schools and how much they charge for in-state and out-of state students. I'll post it if i can find it. HICP seems to be unaccrediated but is charging the most!

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Here is the link to the list of TUITION COST for Pharm D. Programs (Thanks to Con Artist <[email protected]> for finding it

http://www.aacp.org/site/tertiary.asp?TRACKID=&VID=2&CID=693&DID=6319

Only USC, Boston-Worcester, Western, and USN charge 28K or over. But they are all accrediated.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Wow, that is a stretch. The guy is begging people to waste another 50 grand for nothing. That is not smart. It is desperate. He does appear to be the typical HICP student. Probably why only about 50 of your students had contacted the authorities. The rest are holding onto the dream that they will wake up and HICP will be a legitimate, accredited school. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Hey Jeddevil

I just want to say, most students at HICP aren't like him. There probably more then 50 people who contacted the authorites or whoever they see fit. But the number is still lower then what I think it should be. You have to understand, we HICP students have gone through a lot, stress everyday and night, we put up with stuff no one should ever go through. It hard to understand by reading words how we feel.

The reason why more students aren't complaining is that most of us just want to move on and leave this bad nightmare behind. They don't want to go through more trouble for themselves or their family by sueing or what not. Most of the students are Vietnamese. We vietnamese are very "passive" people, who don't like or create "conflict," we would rather just let it go.

For me, I'm an Idealist. I do things because I think it's right and that it should be done. Some people view the situation as I do and take action, but most people are just standing at the side lines waiting to see wha happens.

As of a couple days ago, so far 10 Top 100 students are returning and 30 2nd 100 are returning. So it's good to see so far 90 Top 100 students are smart enough not to come back. But we'll see the official numbers by the end of next week. Deposit is due Aug 1.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Wow, quick find...are you in Hawaii or back at Home (CA?)

 

[hiprayer]

Patty ku,

You are definetly a spy. She used to talk all this crap on hasan everyday and then something happend. Did you get promised the end of year exam if you joined them.

At the meeting the students had she was the one typing the letters that we were gonna give the school and dcca. They came from her computer!!! During the meeting she gave an idea of typing everyones names down that attended the meeting. She definetely is a back stabbing person. Get a life patty and quit being Hasan's Puppet. You realize the truth will come out sooner or later and you will be used and abused.

 

[Jeddevil]

I just want to say, most students at HICP aren't like him.

Let me clarify, I have respect for those of you who are speaking out and trying to fight these guys. We all get screwed over in life one way or another by con men. Those of you moving on, I wish you all good luck and hope you land in another school next year and reach your goals. Those staying at HICP after all of this is out in the open, I have some ocean front property in AZ that you guys should be interested in. Great deal, I promise you will make a million on it.

 

[J Lucas]

Quick question,
Only 50 complaints??Why are you guys still being addressed as students? Students actually goto SCHOOL. I have no respect for any of you guys who remain there and try to CHEAT your way into being a Pharmacist. Thats exactly what any student who stays at HICP is trying to accomplish. BACKDOOR into a PharmD degree. Your first year education was a joke and you should NOT be allowed to continue into any year at that school or any other Pharmacy without all of your credentials being fully examined by an admission supervisor!
I suggest you guys jump onboard the litigation train and try to salvage whats going to be left of your tuition money. You guys are tarnishing the professions name by not speaking out.

 

[hawaii90210]

As of after you left, Hasan announced Dr Tom and his wife, and Dr. Kamabyashi has signed a contract for next years. I don't remember if Dr. Grosnell did or not

Dr. Tom, Dr. Gosnell and Dr. Kamibayashi are employed full time by the college for next year. It's Dr. Ha and his Wife who has a PhD in Molec Bio are also employed by the school for next yr as well.
these are the pharmacists (PharmD) that are currently employed by HICP for 2005-06:
Dr. A
Diep Vu
Edmund...... (not sure how to spell his last name and never seen him on campus yet!!!)
Ken Wong
Susie Phan (rumor has it that she quit couple days ago)

I think that's it... i only counted 10 faculty so far... how is it going to meet the student faculty ratio when only half of those are pharmD.
Hasan sure is an idiot cause he cant do the math rite.... 😀

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Patty ku,

You are definetly a spy. She used to talk all this crap on hasan everyday and then something happend. Did you get promised the end of year exam if you joined them.

At the meeting the students had she was the one typing the letters that we were gonna give the school and dcca. They came from her computer!!! During the meeting she gave an idea of typing everyones names down that attended the meeting. She definetely is a back stabbing person. Get a life patty and quit being Hasan's Puppet. You realize the truth will come out sooner or later and you will be used and abused.

Now I remember, at first I couldn't rememeber weather patty was there or not that night. But I clear rememeber now! Another came up with the idea to write a "courtesy" letter to HICP telling them our "demands/request" before we submit out DCCA complaints. The "Courtesy" letter was basically to tell HICP that the students were unhappy with they they are doing, and it listed out things we wanted them to fix, and if they didn't fix it, we would go to the DCCA. She was so into it! She was saying this and that, and now she goes the other way. Hasan's spies are the people who you least expect them to be,

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Dr. Tom, Dr. Gosnell and Dr. Kamibayashi are employed full time by the college for next year. It's Dr. Ha and his Wife who has a PhD in Molec Bio are also employed by the school for next yr as well.
these are the pharmacists (PharmD) that are currently employed by HICP for 2005-06:
Dr. A
Diep Vu
Edmund...... (not sure how to spell his last name and never seen him on campus yet!!!)
Ken Wong
Susie Phan (rumor has it that she quit couple days ago)

I think that's it... i only counted 10 faculty so far... how is it going to meet the student faculty ratio when only half of those are pharmD.
Hasan sure is an idiot cause he cant do the math rite.... 😀

Dr. Vu and Susie Phan do not quailty as HICP faculty. Dr Vu has credientials....but they are not in adminstration or student services. I give her no respect as Assoc. Dean of Student Services...like how she doesn't give students repect. She acts and talks like she's far "superior" then us. No offense to Susie Phan, I think she's just got caught in the cross fire. She just graduated from USN, go get a real pharmacy job that pays $100K. She has no experience nor is she qualified to be staff for clinial sites. It's like hiring a 6th grader to be a 5th grade TA.

Dr. Tom is cool, he's very passive so he just does what HICP tells him to do. Dr. Kamibayashi should very well know what is going on by now. I don't think Dr. Ha and Dr. Gosnell cares as long as they get paid.

 

[DayDreamer]

Patty ku,

You are definetly a spy. She used to talk all this crap on hasan everyday and then something happend. Did you get promised the end of year exam if you joined them.

At the meeting the students had she was the one typing the letters that we were gonna give the school and dcca. They came from her computer!!! During the meeting she gave an idea of typing everyones names down that attended the meeting. She definetely is a back stabbing person. Get a life patty and quit being Hasan's Puppet. You realize the truth will come out sooner or later and you will be used and abused.

There has got to be more than one spy. It doesn't make sense that just one person can do this much damage. There must be a group of them who plot together and we just don't know it.