P1 hicp students

[humbleRx]

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You know I was seriously when I said stop replying individually to all the students. For god's sake, I mean how often do you need to keep proving it to yourselves? They're obviously struggling academically and don't have the GPA to apply elsewhere, they're also obviously barely considered an "english" student to begin with. It seems like its a continual probe of amusement to see what kind of incoherent ridiculous reply we can force them to come up with next. Since this is a Pharmacy forum, i'm assuming everyone posting is admitted into a school of pharmacy. Well, that's 99%, but there are HICP members who are not into a school of pharmacy. This is clearly a source of contention for these HICP students, so I mean just leave them be I guess.

A terrible analogy would be don't poke the animals 🙁


Maybe we should let this thread, along with the school, die.

Well, I guess you already "poke the animal". I don't know if you ever have a dog at home, because I used to live near a field that have a lot of stray dogs gather at night for barking the loudest and sometime bite each other. Everynight, I have to listen to all the loud noise and some time have to call animal control to handle them. Everytime I read these hippocrite post up here, I keep thinking about how those dog keep barking and make no sense for people to grab the concept. There is a saying "talk the talk, walk the walk", if you are not in the school, back off, you are not one of us and you have clearly no idea what we had been through. I guess most of you still in pharmacy school so don't judge people while you have not finish your job yet. If you are not ACPE then don't judge how we speak, write or study. You are not that different from us. We are all pharmacy students. If you really want to judge us, wait until after our class graduated couple years and see who make more money down the line. So don't say anything when you are not in the position to speak, or else it just like a stray dog barking at my house. You cannot win the battle and clearly you can't win the war.
For those who are in class that think to pass an exam by memory the question, a lot of other classes at other schools are similar like that too, you just don't hear or see much. We are not the only one doing it. It up to the professor to decide how the information get to the students, and if he or she think that retake the test can get the students learn more then they can take that option. We also have class that does not have remediation call pharmacokinetic, and pharmaceutic class. The point I didn't get is why do you make it sound like we are the easy school and obviously it make you look stupid by telling only one side of the story. For your information, I am one of those students almost always past the first time, and I almost don't need remediation. If you think you can do better why don't you leave the school and see if you can do better at another school. Don't be another Don Quixote!
The bottom line here is don't say anything by hearing through rumors. Wait and see everything settle down then say something. Even though you see some different, but don't jump for the conclusion right away. Just wait and see! If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. Most important of all, if you are not in the position to speak, keep your mouth shut. Like the Rock said, " Know your role!!!" And if any of you ever try to reply this message, you are just the same to those stray dogs next to my house.

 

[ZhengYing]

I agree with your post. It is a serious concern that many of the students can't effectively communicate...they should think about learning English before thinking about applying to Pharmcy schools...although I know that they are competent in science subjects if they can't communicate...what good is the knowlege in their brain?

Communication is not just about reading and writing. There's a lot more to it! =)

 

[museabuse]

this thread is like a car wreck... I don't want to look but I can't help it.

Last year for every person that got accepted to pharmacy school there were 6 that did not. I don't think this stat takes in account HICP. From the sounds of it as long as you did the prereqs and could afford to pay you were accepted to HICP(this is just hearsay). Are there people who did not get accepted who could afford to pay who completed all the prereqs?

The fact that a lot of us had to work hard, get good grades, take part in stressful competivitve interviews, get a decent score on the PCAT, and write essays in proper english as part of the application process, really makes that we were accepted a real accomplishment. Some people had to apply two or three times to get accepted, this is how competitive pharmacy school has become.

THen you hear about HICP and their very liberal application process it kind of lessens our accomplishment and lessens the profession as a whole. Of course students would have negative attitudes toward HICP.

If anyone has the right to complain, it would be the one of those six who got rejected and missed one of the spots in a legit pharmacy school by one person and couldn't afford to "buy" their way into a pharmacy school like HICP.

 

[humbleRx]

this thread is like a car wreck... I don't want to look but I can't help it.

Last year for every person that got accepted to pharmacy school there were 6 that did not. I don't think this stat takes in account HICP. From the sounds of it as long as you did the prereqs and could afford to pay you were accepted to HICP(this is just hearsay). Are there people who did not get accepted who could afford to pay who completed all the prereqs?

The fact that a lot of us had to work hard, get good grades, take part in stressful competivitve interviews, get a decent score on the PCAT, and write essays in proper english as part of the application process, really makes that we were accepted a real accomplishment. Some people had to apply two or three times to get accepted, this is how competitive pharmacy school has become.

THen you hear about HICP and their very liberal application process it kind of lessens our accomplishment and lessens the profession as a whole. Of course students would have negative attitudes toward HICP.

If anyone has the right to complain, it would be the one of those six who got rejected and missed one of the spots in a legit pharmacy school by one person and couldn't afford to "buy" their way into a pharmacy school like HICP.

What make you think we did not do that? I done all that and got in couple schools but they all 4 years program. I don't t think any of you all can compete with my GPA (4.0), and this is the only 3 years program at that time that I applied. That's why I choose this school. Why don't you and other "perfect english speakers" try to take the TOEFL test too to compare my score with them. Let me guess, you were born in America, or live here long enough that you don't have to take the test. Think before you speak!

 

[Steady-State]

For those who are in class that think to pass an exam by memory the question, a lot of other classes at other schools are similar like that too, you just don't hear or see much. We are not the only one doing it. It up to the professor to decide how the information get to the students, and if he or she think that retake the test can get the students learn more then they can take that option. We also have class that does not have remediation call pharmacokinetic, and pharmaceutic class. The point I didn't get is why do you make it sound like we are the easy school and obviously it make you look stupid by telling only one side of the story. For your information, I am one of those students almost always past the first time, and I almost don't need remediation.

If there are classes that you don't remediate, what kind of academic program are you following? Are classes suppose to remediate or not? If you fail PK and PC, why can't you remediated? Was it curved in the end and everyone passed? What kind of academics is that? What will HICP put on their ACPE application as far as academics?

So you said the school isn't as easy as everyone assumes. I agree some classes are harder than others. Here are five questions Hasan gave to us for the cumulative which makes it easier.
1. In proximics, the “comfort zone” is:
A.18 inches
B.20 inches
C.5 inches
D.10 inches
E.none of the above

2. How does a patient know that you’re actively listening?
A. not making eye contact
B. Feed back
C. Talking on the phone
D. All of the above
E. None of the above

3. The process of “blaming yourself” is known as:
A. External locus of control
B. Internal locus of control
C. All of the above
D. None of the above

4. The suffix “–itis” means:
A. Fat
B. elimination
C. inflammation
D. All of the above
E. I don’t know

5. What are the important components of communication?
A. Feedback
B. Sender
C. Message
D. Receiver
E. All of the above

This is 3rd grade special education stuff. What's sad is there are HICP people miss some of these. Just memorize the question and answers! Our Anatomy exams were the exact questions stright from the internet with the exact choices and answers right? How about our medical microbiology class now? Isn't the questions going to be the same as the practice questions?

HumbleRx, since you don't remediate how many people statistically pass science exams on the first try? How many people passed immunology on the first try? 22, How about Pharmacology? 30, How about non-sceince classes when instructors don't give questions before an exam, like law? 50.

So 20-50 + HumbleRx passes while 240 fails consistently on the first try. Thats wrong of a quality program isn't it?

It up to the professor to decide how the information get to the students, and if he or she think that retake the test can get the students learn more then they can take that option.

FALSE! Isn't this what happend to Dr. Batz? Didn't he determine how information was suppose to get to students? When he did and when half the class was going to fail law, did Dr. Hasan over ruled him? Dr. Hasan conducted himself in a dean like manner didn't he? Dr. Hasan made Dr. Batz resign right?

I'm glad this forum is here. The more we discuss HICP the more truth comes out. By the way, when dogs barks it tells you a stranger, an intruder, a "bad" person is around. That's why some people get dogs. My advice is maybe you should be cautious instead of ignoring it and potentially becoming a victim of a crime. I'm sure you'll ignore everything thats been posted here and continue to follow like a person in a cult.

 

[museabuse]

What make you think we did not do that? I done all that and got in couple schools but they all 4 years program. I don't t think any of you all can compete with my GPA (4.0), and this is the only 3 years program at that time that I applied. That's why I choose this school. Why don't you and other "perfect english speakers" try to take the TOEFL test too to compare my score with them. Let me guess, you were born in America, or live here long enough that you don't have to take the test. Think before you speak!

OK well then you bet on red and it landed on black.

You are ONE out of the 240 students.
My question is how many people got actual rejection letters because they weren't competitive enough, not because they didn't complete the requirements or were poor and had bad credit and couldn't afford school?

 

[lava2]

Decision on Plan A---we will be awaiting news.....good or bad???????
Dear Everyone:

There has been a misunderstanding in regards to statements made during class this morning in reference to Plan A. To clarify any misunderstandings, we wish to communicate the schedule of Plan A.

As of today, Dr. Hasan and Mr. Banks have met with the corporation to discuss implementation of Plan A. Their meeting went very well and further progress has indeed been made.

On Monday, June 27, 2005, Dr. Hasan and Dr. Antimisiaris will be meeting with ACPE to further discuss implementation of Plan A. Please keep in mind that everyone within the faculty, the corporation, and ACPE are working together to provide the best plan possible to have our college accredited.

Regards,
Tammara L. M. Kato
Senior Administrative Assistant to Interim Dean
Hawaii College of Pharmacy™
949 Kamokila Blvd., Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707
808.674.8110 Office

 

[pharmDman8]

The bottom line here is don't say anything by hearing through rumors. Wait and see everything settle down then say something. Even though you see some different, but don't jump for the conclusion right away. Just wait and see! If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. Most important of all, if you are not in the position to speak, keep your mouth shut. Like the Rock said, " Know your role!!!" And if any of you ever try to reply this message, you are just the same to those stray dogs next to my house.

Woof!

Guess you're just like the administratin of hicp. wanting others to keep their mouths shut.

 

[hancanada]

this thread is like a car wreck... I don't want to look but I can't help it.

Last year for every person that got accepted to pharmacy school there were 6 that did not. I don't think this stat takes in account HICP. From the sounds of it as long as you did the prereqs and could afford to pay you were accepted to HICP(this is just hearsay). Are there people who did not get accepted who could afford to pay who completed all the prereqs?

The fact that a lot of us had to work hard, get good grades, take part in stressful competivitve interviews, get a decent score on the PCAT, and write essays in proper english as part of the application process, really makes that we were accepted a real accomplishment. Some people had to apply two or three times to get accepted, this is how competitive pharmacy school has become.

THen you hear about HICP and their very liberal application process it kind of lessens our accomplishment and lessens the profession as a whole. Of course students would have negative attitudes toward HICP.

If anyone has the right to complain, it would be the one of those six who got rejected and missed one of the spots in a legit pharmacy school by one person and couldn't afford to "buy" their way into a pharmacy school like HICP.

Why don't you wait to see if HICP will ever get accredited?? and if they will, you can wait to see if HICP students pass the NAPLEX exam or not. Then by that time you all can say whatever BAD that you could think of...

 

[hancanada]

If there are classes that you don't remediate, what kind of academic program are you following? Are classes suppose to remediate or not? If you fail PK and PC, why can't you remediated? Was it curved in the end and everyone passed? What kind of academics is that? What will HICP put on their ACPE application as far as academics?

So you said the school isn't as easy as everyone assumes. I agree some classes are harder than others. Here are five questions Hasan gave to us for the cumulative which makes it easier.
1. In proximics, the “comfort zone” is:
A.18 inches
B.20 inches
C.5 inches
D.10 inches
E.none of the above

2. How does a patient know that you’re actively listening?
A. not making eye contact
B. Feed back
C. Talking on the phone
D. All of the above
E. None of the above

3. The process of “blaming yourself” is known as:
A. External locus of control
B. Internal locus of control
C. All of the above
D. None of the above

4. The suffix “–itis” means:
A. Fat
B. elimination
C. inflammation
D. All of the above
E. I don’t know

5. What are the important components of communication?
A. Feedback
B. Sender
C. Message
D. Receiver
E. All of the above

This is 3 grade special education stuff. What's sad is there are HICP people miss some of these. Just memorize the question and answers! Our Anatomy exams were the exact questions stright from the internet with the exact choices and answers right? How about our medical microbiology class now? Isn't the questions going to be the same as the practice questions?

HumbleRx, since you don't remediate how many people statistically pass science exams on the first try? How many people passed immunology on the first try? 22, How about Pharmacology? 30, How about non-sceince classes when instructors don't give questions before an exam, like law? 50.

So 20-50 + HumbleRx passes while 240 fails consistently on the first try. Thats wrong of a quality program isn't it?



FALSE! Isn't this what happend to Dr. Batz? Didn't he determine how information was suppose to get to students? When he did and when half the class was going to fail law, did Dr. Hasan over ruled him? Dr. Hasan conducted himself in a dean like manner didn't he? Dr. Hasan made Dr. Batz resign right?

I'm glad this forum is here. The more we discuss HICP the more truth comes out. By the way, when dogs barks it tells you a stranger, an intruder, a "bad" person is around. That's why some people get dogs. My advice is maybe you should be cautious instead of ignoring it and potentially becoming a victim of a crime. I'm sure you'll ignore everything thats been posted here and continue to follow like a person in a cult.

Steady-state, you sound like HICP's class president (LOSER!!!)?

 

[DayDreamer]

Everybody at HICP is brainwashed?!?!!?!?!?!? 😱

 

[Steady-State]

Steady-state, you sound like HICP's class president (LOSER!!!)?

Are you scared? Is what I posted correct? Can you confirm it? I'm sorry to say that in the end, the biggest looser will be students like you? What's sad is you won't even know it until it's over.

 

[hancanada]

Everybody at HICP is brainwashed?!?!!?!?!?!? 😱

And Are you one of them???

 

[hancanada]

Are you scared?

Am I scared of a LOSER??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

 

[DayDreamer]

And Are you one of them???

not as much as you are

 

[hancanada]

not as much as you are

So I guess you are not a HICP student no more??

 

[quacker]

And Are you one of them???

Am I scared of a LOSER??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

Ummm...how old are you again? Is HICP accepting 13 year olds now?

 

[hancanada]

Ummm...how old are you again? Is HICP accepting 13 year olds now?

I am old enough not to talk trash about HICP students. If you have good info about ACPE, then share with the forum.

 

[DayDreamer]

Unfortunately, this person is clearly a hippocrite. Maybe you should read hancanada posts earlier and see how much this person has changed. This person is very immature. For your information, I still attend HICP.

 

[DayDreamer]

Decision on Plan A---we will be awaiting news.....good or bad???????
Dear Everyone:

There has been a misunderstanding in regards to statements made during class this morning in reference to Plan A. To clarify any misunderstandings, we wish to communicate the schedule of Plan A.

As of today, Dr. Hasan and Mr. Banks have met with the corporation to discuss implementation of Plan A. Their meeting went very well and further progress has indeed been made.

On Monday, June 27, 2005, Dr. Hasan and Dr. Antimisiaris will be meeting with ACPE to further discuss implementation of Plan A. Please keep in mind that everyone within the faculty, the corporation, and ACPE are working together to provide the best plan possible to have our college accredited.

Regards,
Tammara L. M. Kato
Senior Administrative Assistant to Interim Dean
Hawaii College of Pharmacy™
949 Kamokila Blvd., Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707
808.674.8110 Office

Can you believe this? HASAN said that the corporation was not involved in the decision making process, but this is proof that they still are. Incredible, isn't it? One day, the administration will say something. Then the next day, the administration will say something else. Typical day at HICP. 😡

 

[Steady-State]

I am old enough not to talk trash about HICP students. If you have good info about ACPE, then share with the forum.

I'm not your president. What's your "beef" with the pres anyways. Did he do something to you or you have no one else to blame? I believe I just shared what goes on at HICP. Can you share? How long does a typical student spend in class? 8 hours? or do you all leave right after 1.5 hours of lecture? Do you even work in groups?

What is HICP going to send to ACPE? How many hours were completed to get the same number of hours as a 4 year program? Is the school going to make up a number?

Is HICP a good enough pharmacy program to do it in 3 years? The school doesn't have candidate status so when are you going to do your intern hours?

Can you answer a simple question or should I give you the question and answer?

 

[museabuse]

Why don't you wait to see if HICP will ever get accredited?? and if they will, you can wait to see if HICP students pass the NAPLEX exam or not. Then by that time you all can say whatever BAD that you could think of...

I don't think the naplex is really an indication of how great the education is. I am sure there are people who can get the study materials that are available read through them and pass the test without stepping a foot in pharmacy school.

I wasn't really trying to bash the school itself, just the application processes. I was just trying to make a point that there are probably a lot of qualified people who didn't get into established pharmacy schools and thats unfortunate when a new school opens and accepts just about anyone who can afford to move to Hawaii to go there and pay the tuition without government loans (if this is false then sorry, but i haven't heard anyone defending it).
Yes it is possible you will get accredited and students will pass the NAPLEX.

But where is the pride when it was basically handed to some students who wouldn't have had a prayer getting into the other 76 schools?

The application process and the number of students and the facility is probably what ACPE looks at negatively. Setting up a curriculum and teaching the right material isn't the tough part, its been done before. Finding qualified teachers now thats another story.

 

[Caverject]

Steady-state, you sound like HICP's class president (LOSER!!!)?

How would you know who the president is since you made a claim in the past that you do not go to HICP? I also noticed you deleted your posts that did in fact claim you do not go to the school. Why did you delete it? How is your sister doing?

I did however, happen to find this post....

Your post doesn't sound like you are a "professional" student.
When you can not even listen to NON-SENSE stuff, you would NOT be the one in this profession.
Consider about yourself first BEFORE asking others DUDE
When people reply to your post...DOES NOT mean they are HICP students DUH.......How childish with that assumption......

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2588228&postcount=188

 

[Jeddevil]

I am wondering what the avg. school day is like @ HICP. I will share my info to get the communication going.

I attend MWU-Glendale. Our current qtr breaks down like this:
Each day we are out for lunch at 12-1
Mon: 11-3 (a nice short day)
Tues: 8-4:40 (a killer day)
Wed: 8-3
Thurs: 8-3
Fri: 8-12, with a gap of no class from 10-11
We have tests each tues and Fri in the 8-10 block.
We are currently taking 8 credit hours Integrated Sequence, 3 kinetics, 2 law, 2 Applied pharmaceutical care, 1.5 service-learning. The blocks of time open on Mon morning and Fri afternoon are open for us to get our service learning hours in, which we need 20 of as a requirement to pass that class, along with the other work in it.

Can a current or prior student post what the avg day @ HICP is like?

 

[jdpharmd?]

Decision on Plan A---we will be awaiting news.....good or bad???????
Dear Everyone:

There has been a misunderstanding in regards to statements made during class this morning in reference to Plan A. To clarify any misunderstandings, we wish to communicate the schedule of Plan A.

As of today, Dr. Hasan and Mr. Banks have met with the corporation to discuss implementation of Plan A. Their meeting went very well and further progress has indeed been made.

On Monday, June 27, 2005, Dr. Hasan and Dr. Antimisiaris will be meeting with ACPE to further discuss implementation of Plan A. Please keep in mind that everyone within the faculty, the corporation, and ACPE are working together to provide the best plan possible to have our college accredited.

Regards,
Tammara L. M. Kato
Senior Administrative Assistant to Interim Dean
Hawaii College of Pharmacy™
949 Kamokila Blvd., Suite 375
Kapolei, Hawaii 96707
808.674.8110 Office

I just had to reply to this one. What are these people doing, speaking in code like this? Do they really tell the students and faculty about "plan A" and "plan B"... it reads like an enigma decoding: "The eagle has left the nest, double foxtrox yankee alpha will make the meeting at the old shed following the exchange".

To me, it sounds like they know their plan A is already a failure, and just want to have a lot of other letters to go through before they stop taking the student's money. We'll be hearing about "Plan W" in a year or so...
🙄

 

[quacker]

Did anyone from HICP contact ACPE about how the meeting went today?

 

[pharmacology]

I think all you people....specifically the ones that do NOT go to HICP ought to keep your mouth shut. The individuals that applied to HICP obviously wanted to get ahead in life. They saw opportunity in the new pharmacy school. Possibly saw a chance to get off the island or into a good paying career. I'm sure if you look at the applications of almost all pharmacy schools you will find applications that you might find laughable compared to your own. Yet they still applied. I'm sure I could find a few people from harvard or Yale who would look at your undergrad institution and laugh at their academics. It was the school that screwed up, not the students.

It was not the students fault that HICP screwed them over. No way should they have been able to admit that many students. Almost 750 students for 3 years...where are they going to put all those students! Did the students expect to be given answers when they took exams? Did they expect such problems with the school? the answer is no.

I'm sure there are some very competent people who applied and were accepted to the school. The school screwed up so stop giving the students a hard time. Had the school done the right thing in the first place the students would not be having problems and students who didn't have the ability would either not have been accepted or would have wash out. However ACPE usually mandates the failure % rate for new schools. Personally I would rather give people a chance and if they can't hack it they get booted out of the program but that is just me.

Unfortunately ACPE didn't see the problems until into the first year. HICP didn't do their job. The professors didn't do their job. The corporation got greedy. And it all came back to bite the students in the ^ss.

 

[humbleRx]

I think all you people....specifically the ones that do NOT go to HICP ought to keep your mouth shut. The individuals that applied to HICP obviously wanted to get ahead in life. They saw opportunity in the new pharmacy school. Possibly saw a chance to get off the island or into a good paying career. I'm sure if you look at the applications of almost all pharmacy schools you will find applications that you might find laughable compared to your own. Yet they still applied. I'm sure I could find a few people from harvard or Yale who would look at your undergrad institution and laugh at their academics. It was the school that screwed up, not the students.

It was not the students fault that HICP screwed them over. No way should they have been able to admit that many students. Almost 750 students for 3 years...where are they going to put all those students! Did the students expect to be given answers when they took exams? Did they expect such problems with the school? the answer is no.

I'm sure there are some very competent people who applied and were accepted to the school. The school screwed up so stop giving the students a hard time. Had the school done the right thing in the first place the students would not be having problems and students who didn't have the ability would either not have been accepted or would have wash out. However ACPE usually mandates the failure % rate for new schools. Personally I would rather give people a chance and if they can't hack it they get booted out of the program but that is just me.

Unfortunately ACPE didn't see the problems until into the first year. HICP didn't do their job. The professors didn't do their job. The corporation got greedy. And it all came back to bite the students in the ^ss.

Great job! This is exactly what I was thinking! Couldn't agree anymore! 👍

 

[jdpharmd?]

Unfortunately ACPE didn't see the problems until into the first year. HICP didn't do their job. The professors didn't do their job. The corporation got greedy. And it all came back to bite the students in the ^ss.

First of all, EVERY student who applied to HICP knew that they were not an accredited pharmacy school. Red flag #1. Red flag #2 came when HICP offered admission for 30k to ANYONE (quite literally) who was willing to flash some cash. Red flags #3-#50 or so came when HICP repeatedly pulled its ACPE app, delayed things, accepted 240 students (for the $$), lied to everyone repeatedly, fired their faculty and staff, etc. ACPE formally told them to pull their app... that's public records.

Now, you're saying that "ACPE didn't see the problems until.." well guess what? It's not ACPE's job to hold everyone's hand. ACPE is not the US FDA or consumer protection agency. The ACPE can either grant or deny accredidation. In this case, it appears that they will never grant HICP anything, but I applaud them for keeping the "foxes out of the henhouse", and keeping the value and professionalism of the pharmacy degree in-tact. All of these point have been made numerous times, but I don't blame you for not reading every single page of the thread...

 

[ForgetMeNot]

First of all, EVERY student who applied to HICP knew that they were not an accredited pharmacy school. Red flag #1.

I'm not sure you can assume every student knew HICP was not accredited upon admission. Considering every other lie that has appeared from this school, what makes you think that this little tidbit (lack of accreditation) was shared with everyone who applied there?

 

[bananaface]

I think all you people....specifically the ones that do NOT go to HICP ought to keep your mouth shut.

If those of us not at HICP had kept our mouths shut all along, many students who now know the score would still be wrapped up in deception.

No one is about to stop talking. It's just not in the cards.

 

[bananaface]

I'm not sure you can assume every student knew HICP was not accredited upon admission. Considering every other lie that has appeared from this school, what makes you think that this little tidbit (lack of accreditation) was shared with everyone who applied there?

After BMBiology notified ACPE that the school has misleading info on its website, the school placed a note on its website acknowledging that they are unaccredited. The information was always publicly available via ACPE, and was acknowledged by HICP prior to the end of the admissions cycle.

Also, everyone was made aware that the school was unaccredited when they discovered that federal aid was not available because the school was neither accredited nor in the application process. So, they knew what was up when they forked out tuition.

 

[pharmDman8]

I think all you people....specifically the ones that do NOT go to HICP ought to keep your mouth shut. The individuals that applied to HICP obviously wanted to get ahead in life. They saw opportunity in the new pharmacy school. Possibly saw a chance to get off the island or into a good paying career. I'm sure if you look at the applications of almost all pharmacy schools you will find applications that you might find laughable compared to your own. Yet they still applied. I'm sure I could find a few people from harvard or Yale who would look at your undergrad institution and laugh at their academics. It was the school that screwed up, not the students.

It was not the students fault that HICP screwed them over. No way should they have been able to admit that many students. Almost 750 students for 3 years...where are they going to put all those students! Did the students expect to be given answers when they took exams? Did they expect such problems with the school? the answer is no.

I'm sure there are some very competent people who applied and were accepted to the school. The school screwed up so stop giving the students a hard time. Had the school done the right thing in the first place the students would not be having problems and students who didn't have the ability would either not have been accepted or would have wash out. However ACPE usually mandates the failure % rate for new schools. Personally I would rather give people a chance and if they can't hack it they get booted out of the program but that is just me.

Unfortunately ACPE didn't see the problems until into the first year. HICP didn't do their job. The professors didn't do their job. The corporation got greedy. And it all came back to bite the students in the ^ss.

I can see that the students were mislead and it may not be the student's fault for the downfall of HICP. However, the students have to take admit that attending a brand new pharmacy school was a risk. HICP is not like new schools such as UCSD, which has the backing of the UC system.

And about keeping our mouths shut....is that a HICP trend? Obviously certain students there don't want any criticism. They either love their school or see that their choice of attending HICP was a mistake and don't want to admit it.
How many HICP students actually made HICP their first choice when their applied.

In the end, it is each individual student's own choices that will determine their future. They can take their one year lost and leave, or continue to stay with a sinking ship.

 

[BMBiology]

Considering every other lie that has appeared from this school, what makes you think that this little tidbit (lack of accreditation) was shared with everyone who applied there?

It is fortunated that we live in this age where information is easy to obtain but unfortunately, many hicp students did not do their research. For those who did, they realized that the ACPE and HICP were saying different things (e.g. HICP claimed to have already applied for pre-candidate status and ACPE said they have not). However, many still overlooked this and decided to attend HICP.

I dont want to point fingers but it is important to learn why the decision was made. In retrospective, most would agree it was a bad decision but I am sure the same people will make the same bad decision to stay for another year. These are the people that still defend HICP.

 

[pharmDman8]

Can current hicp students even work as an intern? I believe in Hawaii you have to finish your first year of pharmacy school before you can get your intern license.

 

[BMBiology]

Can current hicp students even work as an intern?

No because only students from accreditated school can work as an intern. Until the school is accreditated, the students cannot work as an intern and earn internship hours.

 

[quacker]

I really do have some sympathy for the students who had no idea they were going to get screwed when they first stepped foot into hicp. I think any typical person would've been tricked, including myself. People make mistakes in life, it's normal and a learning experience. For those who realize this and plan to move on with their lives, I respect that and more power to you guys. I hope good things happen in your lives from now on.

What really gets me though are the students who are still utterly clueless on the things that are occuring at hicp. I mean can you guys even grasp the overall situation that is occuring or do you let people like hasan think for you. I remembered humbleRx saying these things are normal for any new school. So if the school lies about everything, call students cancers, do unethnical practices, threat students..etc. are some typical/normal things that occur during an establishment of a school, then maybe I've been living under a really deep rock the past couple of years. Seriously, don't be so gullible and have some common sense.

Most of the people on this forum are basically telling you guys to WAKE UP!! Know the harsh reality that is occuring and stop living in some kind of fantasy of lies. Just sit down and think about it for a minute. How many times have they given reliable info and how many times have they lied.

 

[Glycerin]

I don't t think any of you all can compete with my GPA (4.0), and this is the only 3 years program at that time that I applied. That's why I choose this school.

If you believe this, then obviously there should have been more research done on your part. Since you are in HICP's inaugural class, that means that when you applied to HICP there were also SEVEN other 3-year Pharm.D. programs in the country (Albany, Midwestern - Glendale, South, LECOM, UOP, USN, Mass. - Worcester). 👍

 

[Caverject]

If you believe this, then obviously there should have been more research done on your part. Since you are in HICP's inaugural class, that means that when you applied to HICP there were also SEVEN other 3-year Pharm.D. programs in the country (Albany, Midwestern - Glendale, South, LECOM, UOP, USN, Mass. - Worcester). 👍

You mean you're not going to bow down to the 4.0?

 

[Glycerin]

You mean you're not going to bow down to the 4.0?

I don't bow down, period. 😀

 

[kristakoch]

Hey ~

Did any one see the ad for a new dean for HICP in the APhA magazine this week? They took out a full page ad in the magazine. I just wonder why they advertised there and not in AACP or some other academia magazine, which is where most schools advertise. Last issue of the AACP magazine did not have any ads for them at all.

ALso, this is just a thought I have had, maybe it's been answered before....but isn't it a red flag if the school's website ends in .org and not .edu like everyother school (correct me if I am wrong on this one, but I thought all educational institutions had to have .edu as their website ending)

Anyways, just some food for thought....maybe they will get some type of dean from the ad...but I'm not sure how many reputable people would risk their careers on this school.....unless you have a really great forward thinking person who can turn it all around, which would be the best thing for all 🙂 I guess I can be an optimist for all of those people in limbo there.

PS- what island is the school on - the big one, Ohau or Maui, etc. I am going to Ohau after graduation this August, and would like to see this school if it is near there.

 

[Caverject]

They did put an ad in aacp. APhA is one of the 5 mags they put an ad in.

As far as .edu vs .org, go here: www.utpharmacy.org

 

[quacker]

PS- what island is the school on - the big one, Ohau or Maui, etc. I am going to Ohau after graduation this August, and would like to see this school if it is near there.

The school is on Oahu and hicp is actually in a bank building. They rented like a floor or two. I wouldn't call it an "actual" school.

 

[kristakoch]

They did put an ad in aacp. APhA is one of the 5 mags they put an ad in.

As far as .edu vs .org, go here: www.utpharmacy.org

Oh ok....thanks for clarifying....I must have looked at a slightly older aacp mag, maybe the last one before this newest one came out.

Well, I think we will have our fingers crossed to see what really happens to this school in the near future...something must happen, either it will turn around with new fac/staff/dean or it should really consider closing for all the poor students that are still there...

 

[ForgetMeNot]

If you believe this, then obviously there should have been more research done on your part. Since you are in HICP's inaugural class, that means that when you applied to HICP there were also SEVEN other 3-year Pharm.D. programs in the country (Albany, Midwestern - Glendale, South, LECOM, UOP, USN, Mass. - Worcester). 👍

I read it differently. I took it as HICP was the only 3 year program this particular person applied to that year, not that there are no other 3 year programs. 😕

 

[lava2]

It is fortunated that we live in this age where information is easy to obtain but unfortunately, many hicp students did not do their research. For those who did, they realized that the ACPE and HICP were saying different things (e.g. HICP claimed to have already applied for pre-candidate status and ACPE said they have not). However, many still overlooked this and decided to attend HICP.

I dont want to point fingers but it is important to learn why the decision was made. In retrospective, most would agree it was a bad decision but I am sure the same people will make the same bad decision to stay for another year. These are the people that still defend HICP.

First of all when applying to HICP I believed they were a legit school. I never knew anything about ACPE or even what ACPE was. I thought schools don't get accredited until they graduate their first class and therefore had NO CLUE about the process to accreditation.
I also never knew of a school who didn't follow the process to accreditation and therefore thought that they all get accredited.
I was told that they had applied for pre-canid. or were following all the proper procedures. I was told the class size would be 120. I thought for a certain period that they recieved pre-candidate statuse based on the Terry LOans that were granted. When I questioned Cliff Park he always had positive answers and conitinuously said all the proper steps and procedures were being followed to pursue accreditation.
Not until AFTER the $28,000 was collected and on orientation did I know that the actual class size was 245---by then my money was gone, I already had relocated and drastically changed my entire life forever.
Everytime I asked questions about accreditation and the procedure the Administrators/Corporation would reply full of positive answers and saying not to worry, this is great, wonderful, we're going to get accredited (candidate status,etc) If they fooled the PharmD.'s that worked at HICP what makes you think it was any harder to fool students --full of hope and life, full of belief for something that would give them a better life in 3 years---Something...

You're right! I didn't do the Research all I wanted to be was a Pharmacist and provide patient care for my community. I had no clue people out there had such malice in them.
Until now, the corporation, Hasan, etc. have no clue or idea what and how they have actually impacted the students lives.
I've done the research, and I will be the only person to decide my destiny.
NEVER IN MY WILDEST IMAGINATION would I have thought that someone would create and organize a Doctorate program that was fraudulent and full of misleading information. NEVER. I did't know that a state would allow such unethical and corrupt behavior to occur. I didn't know that an organization could say and do and treat people any form or way that they felt appropriate. I knew my laws in CA, but I guess that's why they organized this school in Hawaii----because of their weak laws and legislation. Hawaii doesn't protect people or students as CA does and they knew that!! BUT NOW I KNOW...and for that I will never be ignorant or misled again.

So please keep posting the truth about HICP----don't let what has happened to you happen to others. There is no need for others to go through what you have gone through here at this school.

As for all the students that attend HICP, only you can decide your fate regardless of what decision you make after JUly 15.......GOOD LUCK and Best Wishes (honestly).
No one could predict what would happen at HICP --happened.
Regardless if it eventually becomes accredited or NEVER, what has happened will never be changed and always be part of the College's history (like stain on a wedding gown).
And NO!!!! I will not come back to HICP even if they gave me a free scholarship. I know I can get into other schools and that's a FACT! 🙂

 

[lava2]

No because only students from accreditated school can work as an intern. Until the school is accreditated, the students cannot work as an intern and earn internship hours.

This is correct. I believe the only state that gives out INTERN licences for NON ACcredited schools and allows you to work and earn hours is NEVADA.
Shouldn't ACPE look into this??????

 

[jdpharmd?]

First of all when applying to HICP I believed they were a legit school. I never knew anything about ACPE or even what ACPE was. I thought schools don't get accredited until they graduate their first class and therefore had NO CLUE about the process to accreditation.
I also never knew of a school who didn't follow the process to accreditation and therefore thought that they all get accredited.
I was told that they had applied for pre-canid. or were following all the proper procedures. I was told the class size would be 120. I thought for a certain period that they recieved pre-candidate statuse based on the Terry LOans that were granted. When I questioned Cliff Park he always had positive answers and conitinuously said all the proper steps and procedures were being followed to pursue accreditation.
Not until AFTER the $28,000 was collected and on orientation did I know that the actual class size was 245---by then my money was gone, I already had relocated and drastically changed my entire life forever.🙂

I just wonder how I knew about it before anyone who went to the school... hmm, maybe renting space in a bank, looking at http://www.acpe-accredit.org, looking into the requirements for the profession that you're trying to enter, etc. I'm tempted to look through my posts to see when I first started to post that HICP might be sketchy... I'm sure it was long before students were accepted and had placed their deposits. BTW: you're accepted to a new pharmacy school, send me 10 grand.. all of you. See you in September. 🙄

 

[lava2]

I just wonder how I knew about it before anyone who went to the school... hmm, maybe renting space in a bank, looking at http://www.acpe-accredit.org, looking into the requirements for the profession that you're trying to enter, etc. I'm tempted to look through my posts to see when I first started to post that HICP might be sketchy... I'm sure it was long before students were accepted and had placed their deposits. BTW: you're accepted to a new pharmacy school, send me 10 grand.. all of you. See you in September. 🙄

FYI I had no clue SDN existed until I was already IN THE PROGRAM.
AND---as I previously stated, I hadn't done the research, so crucify me. I made a mistake and I am human enough to realize it and move on w/life. Your direct sarcasm is not necessary and shouldn't be directed to me.

 

[BMBiology]

lava2- I sincerely wish you the best.

I understand that hasan met with the ACPE this week. I predict that if you have not heard from HICP about this by wednesday night then it is probably bad news.