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Jeddevil said:
Now then, where is the Money? Is it still around or are people going to be paid 100 bucks a year for the next 100 years?
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Honestly, any penny we actually receive will be a bonus. The biggest benefit for all of us is shutting the "school" down and making sure they dont ruin any more lives, also ruining any possibility of opening a dental school and ruining those students' lives.

That being said, it is public record of all the property which they own, several homes in Las Vegas, which I posted on earlier, are very nice, a mansion in Kentucky, a few condos in Hawaii (which are extremely expensive, and a faculty member who has stayed there told us they were VERY nice), also, I am pretty sure they must show exactly where the tuition money went. Such as, they havent spent a dime on construction, they havent spent a dime on the dental school, except to pay Dr. dr dr dr Orr and Slimy Senator Ray RawsIn, so if they are audited and cannot show where the money is, I believe that is called money laundering and is a federal offense. Actually, I wouldn't mind not seeing a penny if we could see the three blind mice behind bars for years to come.

Most importantly is that the state has filed injunctions against the school so that they cannot reopen next month and rob more students. HICP has only 20 days to answer these allegations, which I dont think is enough time, so they are going to have their hands full.
 
SomeGuy said:
So HICP thought, after all this, that the ACPE, HI Board of Pharmacy and the Cali Board of Pharmacy were on their side and believe their every word on their reports?

I strongly recommend everyone reads that pdf file of the State's filing. Every page is pure gold, just like the DMCA and Patriot Act, but in favour of consumers.
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I dont think thats what the complaint says, I believe they meant that in expelling those students, it drew attention to their situation and thus led to these events.
 
Ah, JohnHICP, now I understand. When I saw "plaintiff", I thought it meant the student body, obviously it means the State of HI. I stand corrected. Stupid legal language.

Jeddevil said:
Now then, where is the Money? Is it still around or are people going to be paid 100 bucks a year for the next 100 years?
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Well, this is merely a complaint. A court date has yet to be issued. Maybe they'll settle somehow, who knows. I give it another 6 months _minimum_ before we're anywhere near a settlement situation, longer if it drags out in court. Clearly there's lots of evidence to go through and people to hear from.

Keep in mind, this is only a civil case, so no threat of jail time has been given out. This only involves money and forcing them to stop operating.

Another large matter is whether the State of Hawaii can even get any of their funds (either the corporations or personally), due to being out of jurisdiction, or maybe they already moved all their funds out of the country but "lost it all on gambling". A ruling by the State of Hawaii only applies within the State of Hawaii.

People have ways of getting around these kinds of civil cases...

If I were in this position, I'd try to be the first to sue them personally in Nevada, since they have huge assets personally, and the corporations are/were incorporated there. NV should have similar laws on this matter, and the State of HI already did most of the work in that document. I'd go through small claims and try to get my $10k (assuming that's the limit in NV), because there definitely won't be enough to go around for everyone. Though trying to prove that Criswell and Monroe are personally liable would be somewhat difficult, but probably not impossible.

Keep in mind, I am not a lawyer and have no formal legal education. All opinions are my own and shouldn't be taken as legal advice.
 
I have been really busy lately but I am glad to see that Monroe, Criswell and Hasan will pay for what they did!
 
Just a little request...

In the forum of Pre-Pharmacy, with the thread "Pre-Pharmacy FAQ: schools, applications, the profession, useful links, etc." There is a question of which schools have a three year programs and Hawaii College of Pharmacy is listed. Can Banaface or somebody take that off? Thanks!
 
JohnHICP said:
I love the internet, how did we ever get along without it?
http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/udgi/lawsuits/hcp/
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Wow 15 counts of charges!!! http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/udgi/lawsuits/hcp/

These guys are really crooks...
I hope no hicp student goes back for the 2nd year even
if you are one of the top ten students. There can't
any bigger and obvious "red flag" than this.....
I think the court should seize all their properties including
their houses, cars, furnitures, etc....
 
CityofAngels said:
Wow 15 counts of charges!!! http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/udgi/lawsuits/hcp/

These guys are really crooks...
I hope no hicp student goes back for the 2nd year even
if you are one of the top ten students. There can't
any bigger and obvious "red flag" than this.....
I think the court should seize all their properties including
their houses, cars, furnitures, etc....
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That is exactly what the lawsuit says near the end, it is seeking a permanent injunction to keep PES or ANY of its principles from transferring ANY and ALL assets, if they do so, that would be money laundering and violation of a court ordered injunction.

Wonderful article by Stewart again. I can't wait to see the response from Hussein, Yacas and "DeDe"

I love how Hussein says all students were informed "in person" about the college's accreditation. First of all, he wasnt even with the college until last summer or late spring '05, which means he didnt talk to most of the admitted class, in addition, I had never even heard of this guy until I arrived on the island just before orientation. Secondly, MANY of us, including myself, were told IN PERSON that they were well on their way to accreditation, that they had pre-candidate status, that they were affiliated with USN and that they had a spectacular list of faculty, which we come to find out including five (5!) people, who were no more spectacular than they were inept.

By the way Hussein, you will probably receive jail time, or at least probation for the many lies you perpetuated, most notably informing the entire class that you had already submitted an application to WASC (big fat lie), that you had submitted an actual application to ACPE (big fat lie, they submitted a DRAFT for consultation), and the numerous town hall meetings in which you tried to intimidate the entire student body. "you gonna punk out now dawg?" "believe or leave" "you gonna punk out?" "we dont want you here" I hope "tiny", your cellmate likes those intimidation techniques, tool.
 
CityofAngels said:
Wow 15 counts of charges!!! http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/ocp/udgi/lawsuits/hcp/

These guys are really crooks...
I hope no hicp student goes back for the 2nd year even
if you are one of the top ten students. There can't
any bigger and obvious "red flag" than this.....
I think the court should seize all their properties including
their houses, cars, furnitures, etc....
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What would REALLY make my year is if MOnore, Criswell and all their hench men would be indicted on FRAUD, a criminal offense that is punishable with prison. I want to see Hasan, monroe, nixon, criswell and even BAnks behind bars so bad

Can't the state of Hawaii take Banks Canadian Visa away and send him packing? Give me a Break. He came all the way from Canada to participate in this scam? That's grounds alone for Visa confiscation (hehehe 😀 )
 
Can current HICP students discuss your thoughts? Would some
students still take the risk and attend hicp
if the school is still operational after
the trial is over?
Are you aware of what is happening? I think this lawsuit
was filed after the students have left for their vacation..
I hope every student will get his or her tuition back plus
the living expenses and any intererest accumulated
with the loans. Looks like the school is going down after
all......
 
I think some students are still in the denial phase and refuse to read this thread.
 
I want to see this trial on court TV because I am sure it would be funny to watch.

anyone who has to be driven 300 feet in a golf cart must be outrageously flamboyant
 
I don't think you can get any HICP student to answer those questions. The vocal ones seem to be the ones who left the school. Whereas their HICP counterparts seem to be quiet for one reason or another.

I don't know if you guys realize this, but this thread was viewed about 10,000 times during last week alone. It seems like this thread is building momentum as HICP gets more and more news coverage.

I hope someone from HICP can list all the faculty members currently there right now so that people can blackball them in the future. Professional people don't work with slimes like Hasan, Criswell, and Monroe.





CityofAngels said:
Can current HICP students discuss your thoughts? Would some
students still take the risk and attend hicp
if the school is still operational after
the trial is over?
Are you aware of what is happening? I think this lawsuit
was filed after the students have left for their vacation..
I hope every student will get his or her tuition back plus
the living expenses and any intererest accumulated
with the loans. Looks like the school is going down after
all......
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Dear Students:

The Department of Consumer Affairs of Hawaii has filed a Civil Action Complaint and Summons lawsuit against HICP in response to complaints by a small number of HICP students for unfair business practices. The DCCA will review the documents it had requested from HICP to submit as part of the DCCA’s investigation. Legal proceedings have not begun yet; therefore, no state court decisions have been made. The following will address your concerns regarding the status of HICP

HICP will continue to operate now and when the legal proceedings actually begin
The first day of the new academic school year begins September 6, 2005
Deadlines for deposits, tuitions, and fees remain the same.
Students’ tuitions, deposits, and fees will be reserved in an escrow account. HICP will not deposit students’ payments into Pacific Educational Services Corporation accounts.
The submission date for ACPE accreditation application is still October 1, 2005
The new building for the pharmacy program is scheduled to break grounds in October.

I will be available to respond to questions regarding the status of HICP but not be able to address the specifics of the DCCA lawsuit.



Sincerely,



Diep N Vu, Pharm.D.

Assistant Dean of Student Services and Admissions

Hawaii College of Pharmacy

949 Kamokila Blvd, Suite 375

Kapolei, HI 96707

Tel: (808) 674-8765

Fax (808) 674-9914

[email protected]
 
An escrow account? More deception, maybe I should take notes? How to laundering money and rip off students 101?
 
Steady-State said:
Students’ tuitions, deposits, and fees will be reserved in an escrow account. HICP will not deposit students’ payments into Pacific Educational Services Corporation accounts.
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I cannot stand these people!! The only reason why they want to put it in the "escrow account" is because just in case PES files for bankrupcy or forces to use all its asset to pay for everything.
 
BMBiology said:
I cannot stand these people!! The only reason why they want to put it in the "escrow account" is because just in case PES files for bankrupcy or forces to use all its asset to pay for everything.
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I dont get it, what does that mean an escrow account?
 
JohnHICP said:
I dont get it, what does that mean an escrow account?
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An escrow account is just an account where money is held to be used only for specific purposes. For example, when people have a home mortgage, they often also have an escrow account that is held by the mortgage company. They pay into it monthly as part of their mortgage payment, and from the escrow funds certain expenses, usually taxes and insurance are paid.

HICP student payments are probably being held in escrow, meaning they won't be used to cover the daily expenses of operating the school or other costs until the lawsuit issue is decided. Theoretically, if the school were to close the money could be refunded to the students.

I think this is what they meant.
 
Keep in mind that these people are business minded people. I would not be surprised if they move money from one business to another to hide the business' fortune from the lawsuits.
 
I can't believe this mess. I would be very shock if any student returns because by then they clearly do not understand the extent of what a lawsuit means.
 
BMBiology said:
Keep in mind that these people are business minded people. I would not be surprised if they move money from one business to another to hide the business' fortune from the lawsuits.
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Well, wile they are business minded, they arent the sharpest tools in the shed.

However, I feel pretty confident in these state agencies because they have filed injunctions against PES or ANY of its principles from transferring any assets what so ever. Therefore they cant sell anything, transfer anything, give anything away, or move anything. Also, we know about many of their properties in Las Vegas, Kentucky, Hawaii and also their other business ventures.

Even if we only get back a fraction of our money it would be a huge success because we would cripple the school and prevent the dental school from ever opening.
 
DayDreamer said:
I can't believe this mess. I would be very shock if any student returns because by then they clearly do not understand the extent of what a lawsuit means.
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I wont be shocked at all, i fully expect over 100 students to return. These students also arent the sharpest tools in the shed and they have no other option, plus they dont read this forum, nor understand the magnitude of whats going on. They just say, "everything will be ok." Completely clueless.
 
johnniewest said:
I don't think you can get any HICP student to answer those questions. The vocal ones seem to be the ones who left the school. Whereas their HICP counterparts seem to be quiet for one reason or another.

I don't know if you guys realize this, but this thread was viewed about 10,000 times during last week alone. It seems like this thread is building momentum as HICP gets more and more news coverage.

I hope someone from HICP can list all the faculty members currently there right now so that people can blackball them in the future. Professional people don't work with slimes like Hasan, Criswell, and Monroe.
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You know, the sad thing is that all the staff has known that HICP is doing bad and unethical things but still remain there and turn the cheeck.
All the HICP faculty and staff know the unethical things that have occurred with student grades, points, abscences, etc. They seem to follow and do what Hasan tells them just like everyone else.
The Assistants that Hasan and Scott have (Corrigan Taylor from the North Shore and Tamara Kato, HI) have been accomplices to the illegal activities of Hasan, Monroe and Scott Banks. They're the ones who prepare the documents, paperwork, send threating emails out to students on Hasan's behalf, etc.
So as I see it, anyone who still is working for or affiliated w/ HICP in anyway is corrupt as well (aiding and abiding). They ALL know what is going on and choose to remain and keep quiet.
 
DayDreamer said:
Just a little request...

In the forum of Pre-Pharmacy, with the thread "Pre-Pharmacy FAQ: schools, applications, the profession, useful links, etc." There is a question of which schools have a three year programs and Hawaii College of Pharmacy is listed. Can Banaface or somebody take that off? Thanks!
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Done 🙂
 
BMBiology said:
I cannot stand these people!! The only reason why they want to put it in the "escrow account" is because just in case PES files for bankrupcy or forces to use all its asset to pay for everything.
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What are the deadlines for remission of tuition monies, deposits, etc? The reason I'm asking is that according to the DCCA lawsuit, PES/HICP has 20 days to respond (in other words, 20 days worth of "wiggle room"). The lawsuit also seeks a TRO, progressing to a preliminary injunction, then a permanent injunction to (among other things) prevent PES/HICP from "collecting tuition payments or other fees from or on behalf of students" until the corporation is in compliance with state law. I'm not an attorney, but my interpretation of this would be that unless the tuition/fee deadlines fall within 20 days of the filing of the lawsuit (and I think that is 20 actual days, not business days), and providing that at least a TRO is issued, HICP shouldn't be able to collect tuition, escrow account or not.

Even if I were a student who was still inclined to stay at HICP (which I wouldn't be), and even if the tuition deadline fell within the 20-day wiggle room period, I don't think I'd give them any money until the court took some action.
 
lisi said:
What are the deadlines for remission of tuition monies, deposits, etc? The reason I'm asking is that according to the DCCA lawsuit, PES/HICP has 20 days to respond (in other words, 20 days worth of "wiggle room"). The lawsuit also seeks a TRO, progressing to a preliminary injunction, then a permanent injunction to (among other things) prevent PES/HICP from "collecting tuition payments or other fees from or on behalf of students" until the corporation is in compliance with state law. I'm not an attorney, but my interpretation of this would be that unless the tuition/fee deadlines fall within 20 days of the filing of the lawsuit (and I think that is 20 actual days, not business days), and providing that at least a TRO is issued, HICP shouldn't be able to collect tuition, escrow account or not.

Even if I were a student who was still inclined to stay at HICP (which I wouldn't be), and even if the tuition deadline fell within the 20-day wiggle room period, I don't think I'd give them any money until the court took some action.
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Actually, someone should call the DCCA to get their interpretation of whether or not the escrow account would be legal.
 
To all you HICP students that are still in denial:

The DCCA has an additional stake in this. There is no separate Board of Pharmacy in the State of Hawaii. Regulation of the practice of pharmacy falls under the DCCA. Repeat...The Board of Pharmacy is under the DCCA.

Given this fact..do any of the aspiring future pharmacists at HICP truly believe that the DCCA will let HICP operate given this relationship...I think not.

For those of you that believe HICP will reorganize and become viable...I have a great parcel of land for sale on the Big Island .......... 😀
 
I like the part in the email to students that states the ACPE application is still on time for October. I would venture a guess that the result (again) might possibly be "REJECTED!". I also like the part about the new campus being on schedule.
HICP: "Well, we're pretty much being 100% shut down by the DCCA, but we're going to build a multi-million dollar building real soon..."

It's so sad, it's funny.

PS. Where do I send my HICP application? I heard that they have a great program that should get accredited soon...
 
Hasan has an interesting "spin" in this letter to the editor in the Honolulu Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/29/editorial/indexletters.html

There are a couple of priceless quotes in there....like:

they have been in "regular and cordial communications with the DCCA"
"Our mistaken reference to an affiliation with the University of Southern Nevada was just that--a mistake"
"We are stronger now than ever."
and this one, which is golden...
"We place our students first."

Is this the same guy who asked students if they were going to "punk out"?
 
I've filed a complaint with the DCCA and been in contact with James Dooman (DCCA Investigator).

The DCCA's primary goal againt HICP is for it to stop getting money from students. They want to focus on stopping the "Dental School" before it opens so we don't have a HICP round 2. Then after they get that done, they will "try" working on getting the student's money back. The best the DCCA can do for the students is "TRY" to get the money back. Not Guaranteed. The DCCA doesn't have power to "freeze" HICP assets. So HICP/PES could transfer the money around and the students will never see a penny.

The DCCA "HIGHLY RECOMMEND" the students to obtain their own Attorny if they want to see restitution and damages. DCCA says they represent the "general public" and not the students and the "rate" at what and how they do things might not "satisfy" the students "expectations."

Before I filed my DCCA complaint, I tried to look up previous complaints on HICP/PES. There was one filed in 2003...I'm assuming this was the "state" The DCCA said they were working on this case for awhile now. I think the DCCA/State has a good strong case against HICP/PES.

My predictions is that HICP will close down, hopefully Dental School doesn't get off ground. HICP students won't get their money back ever. Atleast this won't happen to other students.
 
lisi: I see no such Letter to the Editor in that link.
 
Responds to http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/29/editorial/indexletters.html

This guy lies each and everytime his mouth opens! He can twist and manipulate anything, he can make Jenna Jameson look like a nun.

The student teacher ratio stablized at 9.5:1 because you just kicked out 130 students. Not really hard for people to do the math.

If you really did have 26 faculty memebers, there would be no need to kick out 130 of us. 230 students / 26 faculty = Hasan your an idiot!

New facility with a computer for each student. We had 20 computers with 14 in screens with "clients" that ran off the "mainframe/server". I really doubt they have anything new. Nathan Wheeler, your an unqualified IT guy = basically a *****! And Auggie (AKA wanna be IT guy), your still Monroe's B!tch

It's funny because ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL, you can have different circumstances..but it's still ILLEGAL. It doesn't really matter if the students signed a paper saying that they knew the school was unaccrediated or not, if the School accepted money and did not comply with Hawaii law, it's' ILLEGAL! And honestly, I don't remember signing such thing. It's not just lying about Accediation...it's EVERYTHING!!!! AHHH I'm so mad!
 
SomeGuy said:
lisi: I see no such Letter to the Editor in that link.
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Click the link and on the left column, click "Our side of the Story"
 
DoTheRightThing said:
Link works fine John
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Ok, now it works. I thought it was something new with the way Caverjact said, most incriminating, but its just the link that I posted before directing to the lawsuit?

I also do not remember signing any bullcrap paper saying I knew they were unaccredited, I would love to see such a paper.

And yes, it is easy to lower your student to teacher ratio when you kick out half of the school lol.

More importantly, he wasnt even employed by the school when many of us were admitted, so he has no idea what we were told or what we were given. What a tool. I was personally told by Monroe, Criswell and senator Buen that they had pre-candidate status and some people have materials stating as such, I need to get my hands on those documents, if anyone has them, please let me know.

I have a nice little tidbit of news about H.A. Hasan, let me go find the website...
 
JohnHICP said:
Am I the only one who cannot open this link? Is anyone else having trouble?
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JohnHICP:
Make sure you have adobe acrobat reader installed. The complaint is in a pdf format.
 
lisi said:
Hasan has an interesting "spin" in this letter to the editor in the Honolulu Star Bulletin.

http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/29/editorial/indexletters.html

There are a couple of priceless quotes in there....like:

they have been in "regular and cordial communications with the DCCA"
"Our mistaken reference to an affiliation with the University of Southern Nevada was just that--a mistake"
"We are stronger now than ever."
and this one, which is golden...
"We place our students first."

Is this the same guy who asked students if they were going to "punk out"?
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The golden quote: "We place our $$$tudent$$$ fir$t."

In terms of affiliation MISTAKES . . . for a Doctor of Pharmacy degree program of higher education DEAN to say that this was just a MISTAKE is ludicrous . . . let time take its toll and they/he/or somebody who was/is involved will also be admitting that this was indeed a SCAM b/c the school was built for FAILURE DUE TO NOT BEING ADEQUATELY PREPARED, BEING EXTREMELY UNQUALIFIED, NOT HEEDING QUALIFIED AND SERIOUS ADVICE BY TOP INDIVIDUALS (ACPE, DCCA, USN, AND MANY MORE I'M SURE) . . . JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. HASAN did not officially come on board till after the fact and the misleading, lies, and misrepresentation ALREADY begun . . . he is NOW, and ever since he signed his contract, actively involved in continuing the HICP process of lie, cheat, and deceive. "What you gonna punk out now!" - verbal and documented by many.

Is it true that Criswell (Nakajima) AND Hasan worked at Waipahu High School immediately before coming to HICP?
 
I spoke to my friend who is a student at HICP. According to him,
most students do not want the school to suffer and shut down despite numerous lies that the administrators have told them. He said only
the small percentage of students want legal actions taken
against the college. He is planning to go back for the second year....
It does seem like many students are in denial including my friend.
 
This letter to the editor from hasan ( http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/29/editorial/indexletters.html ) is priceless. Some of my favorites include the info about USN references were a mistake. They were "a mistake" b/c they copied their manuals/books/website/etc from USN and didn't bother to change anything. Didn't they also tell students they could transfer to USN if anything happened. I guess that was another mistake.

My other favorite is this one:
"Our goal is achieving accreditation for our first graduating class in 2008, which will allow these new pharmacists to bring their skills to a health care market that has a huge demand for their knowledge and skills."

If my math is correct, the first class should graduate in 2007 (year 1: 04-05, year 2: 05-06, year 3: 06-07), except for those in "plan B". And this is the Dean that doesn't even know when they are supposed to graduate. So much for a three year program.

It also doesn't address the ACPE requirement that Dean's of pharmacy schools actually be pharmacists. Good luck with that one Hasan (maybe he plans to enroll in HICP?)
 
CityofAngels said:
I spoke to my friend who is a student at HICP. According to him,
most students do not want the school to suffer and shut down despite numerous lies that the administrators have told them. He said only
the small percentage of students want legal actions taken
against the college. He is planning to go back for the second year....
It does seem like many students are in denial including my friend.
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I can say that no HICP student wanted this to happen, but many students are failing to realize that as long as the people in charge and founders are involved w/ this school it will not happen. Why would any student want this to occur??? But face reality and the facts and move on in life . . . there is no hope in basing decisions on optimism anymore. If there is no confidence in your life direction than that person needs to seek some serious help and advice. Three students already got falsely accused for just trying to seek the truth and being concerned. Look what happened, nothing b/c they are/were innocent. They (HICP admin and owners) took on more than they could handle ... they knew it too that's why they did not publicize this to many, if any at all, local people. I heard the locals in Hawaii (the families, community, etc.) would be down their throat and right in front of their face if this happened to them. They know that they have been doing illegal and unjust practices b/c they always "cut corner" and do business in secret.
 
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