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PBL for Dental School
Started by Classygal321
+1 I also want to hear what everyone think about PLT, Lecom just recently adopted it too.
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I'm actually concerned about the use of PBL in dental school. This will likely be a deciding factor in determining what school I attend.
I'm currently enrolled in a graduate program at the institution that pioneered PBL and there is definitely a strong PBL element to the program. However, I've found that I've learned next to no theory or cold, hard facts across the four courses I took in the last semester. Have any of you current dental students found this to be the case?
I especially hate the fact that I have to attend class and tutorials. How is PBL structured in dental school? Is class and tutorial attendance mandatory?
I'm currently enrolled in a graduate program at the institution that pioneered PBL and there is definitely a strong PBL element to the program. However, I've found that I've learned next to no theory or cold, hard facts across the four courses I took in the last semester. Have any of you current dental students found this to be the case?
I especially hate the fact that I have to attend class and tutorials. How is PBL structured in dental school? Is class and tutorial attendance mandatory?
This PBL thing sounds like one big ruse. Pay a bunch of administrators posing as "teachers" to sit around and manage groups of fresh faced infintiely impressionable students sit around each semester and perpetually reinvent the wheel through some vague, ephemeral 'process' derived in the bowels of a thoroughly esoteric, pointless academia. And collect the fat government derived paycheck at the beginning of each semester for their 'efforts' (as derived from the faux money tree that is the student loan 'industry').
No thanks I'd rather take my knowledge from other, wiser genuine teachers who learned their knowledge the old fashioned way: layer upon layer from master teacher to student.
These are the giants that one day I might stand on their shoulders.
These PBL administrators are like midgets with backs so weak they'd crumble the moment a strong student might try to climb onto their back to get a view afar off.
The US education system is pathetic. Like a dog chasing its own tail, or..."ever learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth..."
in a word? stupid.
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I wouldn't single out the US education system. Canada's is not that much better. I'm just wondering why more and more dental schools are incorporating what appears to be an ever-increasing amount of PBL into their curricula.
because it's cost efficient and effective in getting students to pass boards. bobby may have had some fun typing that up, but his post basically says that even though the prussian-based US education system is "pathetic", he still prefers it (the "old fashioned way") himself lol. bashing alternative methods (conceived outside the "stupid" system that has educated you for 20+ years) to deliver dental education is cool, only if you're willing to offer a unique solution to the problem. otherwise, the only thing we're getting from your post is that the mattress you just spent 5 minutes defecating on is too comfortable to replace.
Do dental students from non-PBL curricula fail the boards more than their counterparts in PBL curricula?
Enough hyperbole. Please.
It is true that PBL by itself is not terribly valuable, or efficient. Additionally, traditional lectures are not a whole lot better. The fact is that most of us have grown up being taught in the traditional manner and are used to it. However, the real value to PBL is when it is added to a traditional lecture system. When you already have a foundation of knowledge, (generated from the lectures) you can now learn how to use it and apply it via PBL, and the PBL faculty. Essentially, PBL can be a wonderful tool when used with a traditional education format (lectures). 🙂
It is true that PBL by itself is not terribly valuable, or efficient. Additionally, traditional lectures are not a whole lot better. The fact is that most of us have grown up being taught in the traditional manner and are used to it. However, the real value to PBL is when it is added to a traditional lecture system. When you already have a foundation of knowledge, (generated from the lectures) you can now learn how to use it and apply it via PBL, and the PBL faculty. Essentially, PBL can be a wonderful tool when used with a traditional education format (lectures). 🙂
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👍 . i agree. it definitely gives you the 'rhyme and reason' to what you learn in lecture.
I think PBL rocks. When the rubber meets the road you'll remember the heavily labored case reviews rather than fragmented esoteric facts. I know because this is how I learned to manage patients working in another medical field. The case reviews are much more pertinent to clinical practice and learning the basic sciences in the context of novel cases makes them stick more.
Eventually, everyone gets around to PBL> PBL students do it in DS; while, traditional students do it in their first year of practice as a post grad.
Eventually, everyone gets around to PBL> PBL students do it in DS; while, traditional students do it in their first year of practice as a post grad.
Yeah. I think the problem might not lie with PBL itself, but rather problems with its implementation across different institutions and programs.
its called case studies and interprofessional education which is incorporated later after your traditional lecture based learning which yields the best results, not just PBL by itself
I totally agree with this. Although I'm not in dental school yet, my entire semester abroad I was taught in the PBL style (medical physiology and medical ethics). It was nice to have some foundation knowledge from like bio 101 lectures , but I learned more in those 10 weeks than I did in most of my undergrad thanks to PBL. Honestly, I think people who trash PBL without having actually tried it are just scared that they might actually have to be an active participant in their education (for once!).
