Pharmacy Job Market

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  1. msweph

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    I refuse to take students from any new school.
     
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    BC pharmacy school is also very stressful. It’s not incredibly hard but there is a lot of time involved. I would urge you to talk to some pharmacists working now and get their perspective. It’s your decision but make sure it’s a well-researched one
     
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    @nafcillin I appreciate the concern. For everyone to know, due to family obligations a few years ago, I have indeed been to pharmacy school (good ‘ol University of Kansas) after earning my Biochem degree. Matter of fact it’s what has led me to the military to keep my spouse and kids with me.

    @lord999 correct I was medically retired (will be as of Feb 26th) as an E-5 Sergeant in the Army. Original plan was to ride the GI Bill in the IRR during Pharmacy School (such as the 3 year program I’m in) then commission over as an O3-E Captain...Well, medically discharged puts a kink in that plan.

    Security Clearance is still valid, but it’s not a “top” clearance as of someone from a 35 series mos. My other issue is my mental disability rating (PTSD) that’s not been declared permanent (still under TLDR rating instead of the Permanent Retiree Listing) which disqualifies me from many gov contracting jobs. Although my education is paid for, the VA is my priority as a disabled veteran but I’m also wanting isolated rural areas in retail if not picked up at a VA region (always disliked crowded places).

    I suppose I’ve accepted the ideology that even if I get 20 hour weeks in worse case scenarios, I have enough steady income and insurance to offset the difference in die-hard circumstances (plus a working spouse). Sad but true that this off-set plan sounds good for me living beneath my means but still having more than enough (military baring mentality is indeed off-put and sad... but true).
     
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  4. lord999

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    As a partial rebuttal (not to your preference which I can completely agree with, but to the background), it doesn't need to be a TS/SCI, and if you retain it "despite" your C&P CAPRI PTSD compensable, that's not required to be disclosed for noncombat positions (that's a change in Title 38 and Title 10), and it's actually illegal to ask that as a question in many circumstances. But yeah, most of those jobs are city bound unless you're willing to work in tech (Booz Allen Hamilton and Leidos are the biggest ones that allow for remote employment). So for most of those jobs, you would be in some nondescript office building where you totally cannot talk about your job or your travel with your family and that is some mental pressure. That's what the paycheck is for. For reasons that we can discuss privately, let's just say that I wouldn't go in at this point into any uniformed service as medical staff due to some pay hijinks and other indignities upcoming. There are people leaving due to that reason, and honestly, this probably works out better for you that your time is over.

    But, you did ask the question of whether another pathway than pharmacy is viable, and I think we can agree that the gov contractor path is viable. For reasons that you've talked about, it isn't necessarily optimal (and you know how much fun the contractor renaming game goes in the business in terms of mercenary behavior), so pharmacy still is a great option if you believe in it, but you have to believe in it. Even with your reasons though, I could see you being a seasonal gov contractor, then during the slack times, going back to living your life.

    The other reason that I'd probably want to go government in your case, pharmacy or not, is that you're old enough with responsibilities such that it's not about you anymore, it's about the kids. The civil service does take care of your children if you cannot take care of the matter yourself, which kind of puts a kink on the part-time forever gig, because while that'll get you by, you probably don't want your kids to have to make this a family business due to economics but through free choice.
     
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    That's not a bad thing. Men Going Their Own Way. Got cash falling out of my ear ^_^;
     
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    Careful, that's a slippery slope to inceldom.
     
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  7. Sine Cura

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    If the collective you want to be like every other breeder be my guest.
     
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    I'm part of the incel community. MGTOW is too far left. They don't take the real issues at play as seriously as they need to. Reproductive starvation needs to be taken seriously by the US government and young men that do not have gfs/wives should get government funds or extra time off work so they have more time to spend to search for their future wife.
     
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    Since you understand saturation of this pharmacy job market, you’ll have plenty of ample time with hourly cuts to seek a relationship (their, on topic) so that’s that. You don’t need government funding for a soulmate lol
     
  10. nafcillin

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    Has pharmacy gotten to the point of lawyers and MBAs? Or it that years down the road?
     
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    ^Not far down the road.
     
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    Not yet.
    Yet Another Troubled Law School To Close Its Doors

    There will be pharmacy schools closing once it gets that bad. Feel bad for J.D.s I see a lot of unemployed lawyers at the casino during the day.
     
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  13. mentos

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    Has anyone tried to sue their school for not being able to find a job yet?
    Law Graduate Who Sued Her School Loses at Trial
     
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    That case is hilarious on so many levels. No matter how you spin the outcome, someone is loosing something.
     
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    My father-in-law owns several pharmacies in Northern Wisconsin, likely one of the most BFE regions in the country. His only competition was Shopko which recently decided to close their stores. The pharmacist that staffed this store relocated from the east coast because he could not find employment. He is now unemployed, in BFE with a young family to support and no immediate job prospects in the area. I do not know what kind of student loan debt he has.

    Location does not equate to job stability.

    ^Not far down the road (from lawyer/MBA saturation) is an accurate assessment. Heck, the job prospects may end up more dire.
     
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    Thought I'd copy this over from the petition thread. Wish we would actually do something.

    ACPE makes money off of every school opening and they haven't cared and won't care. It's honestly too late anyway. We would have to close schools now to stop this bubble. The only organizations that advocate for pharmacists are the state associations and APhA and all they care about is nitpicking over laws and patient care--things that every other organization already does to the detriment of pharmacists. The only thing we as pharmacists can do is elect members to APhA, state associations and maybe the boards on a platform of stopping this bubble from getting worse. I would implore everyone to run and if anyone in a position of power is currently reading this, PLEASE DO SOMETHING. The AMA and AAMC sure did. Why the hell are we too stupid to do it?

    I recommend as we take action we start calling this scam what it deserves: a Ponzi scheme.

    Ponzi Scheme: "A form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors."

    The nonexistent enterprise the belief that there will actually be jobs and salaries for these graduates.

    The possibility of quick returns is promoted by schools. "No one else gets 6-figure salaries immediately after graduating."

    The quick returns seen by pharmacists who were in the market in previous decades will evaporate as later pharmacists/investors finish and realize there's really no return on their investment to be had.

    Eventually, the profession will have such a horrible ROI that the system will melt down and schools will close overnight as they can't fill classes. There will be huge layoffs in pharmacy schools. It's going to take years for normalization to occur though. Bernie Madoff learned this lesson the hard way.
     
  17. pharmmaster1

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    Unbelievable how hard it is to find a job!!! Forget that, to find an interview!!! Graduated in May 2018, and still hunting, really depressing..... dont know what to do??
     
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    Don't give up. Are you willing to move? Have you tried independent pharmacies, even just prn position? Maybe even offer to do free training so when they need help, you are ready to fill in for them. Once training is done you can put on your CV that you work part-time for independent Rx. Keep apply for all positions at Walmart (3 different DMs: Sam's, super-center, and neighborhood market,) brush up on interview questions, they all seemed to ask similar questions from the interviews (even with different chains) I had in the past. With so much saturation, DM tends to pick someone with experience than newbies. My DM hired 6 pharmacists (part-time and salary 24hours/week) in the past year for my area (4 had pharmacy manager experience, 1 were a staff rph, and 1 graduated last May.)
     
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    Sorry man if you have a year gap than it really gets exceptionally harder to find work. Most top tier students/networkers have jobs lined up MONTHS before they even graduate. At this point I would kindly suggest two options:

    1. Go back to school for a non-meme degree that is indemand such as Computer science (coding bootcamps specifically), or HVAC technician

    2. Move back home and live with your parents, default on your loans (which i'm sure have increased by now due to interest) and try to get mental health disability to get your loans legally discharged. It',s not a bad life living at home, playing video games all day. With the internet you will never get bored! Lots of good memes to view and make memes and just relax and enjoy the NEET life, god knows you earned it! You are not in Jail or Prison unlike over 1,463,500 adult males! I know many young men and even men in their 30's and 40's that do it. It's honestly becoming the new normal for American men unfortunately. Look at the positives! You are not addicted to heroin, cocaine or alcohol. You are still alive and have your health. Your mental health > pharmacy loans. You got scammed by a university it's not your fault. They spend hundreds of thousands on marketing to trick people like you anon.

    3. Continue your job search for a pharmacy job. IF you truly think that it is in God's plan for you to work as a pharmacist than I advocate you continue to search for a job but mix up change up your strategy. Lets be honest you have gone over a year with no success so may be doing something wrong. You should change how you interview and how you apply for jobs


    Good luck and feel free to direct message me on here for additional feedback in your situation
     
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    excellent feed back thanks ranger!
     
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    Seems to me that MGTOW is the opposite of inceldom. It's voluntary celibacy rather than involuntary.
     
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    Mind if I ask what state your in?
     
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    MGTOW is more like the illusion of voluntary celibacy when it's really involuntary just reframed.
     
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    This viewpoint above, that it's out of your own control to find a "mate", is exactly the reason why you can't find one. The reality is that it's 100% in your control and you refuse to accept ownership of that. When's the last time you looked in the mirror and talked honestly to yourself?
     
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    what part of "go your own way" implies voluntary celibacy? Some people can be celibate, voluntary or not, regardless of whether they identify as "MGTOW"
     
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    I came here for the job market. Why are we arguing over who sucks more at relationships?
     
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    Defaulting on a loan is bad advice. Your credit drops and you also lose eligibility for deferment, forbearance and loan forgiveness, as well as other benefits, like choosing your own repayment plan and eligibility for additional federal aid.
     
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    Thanks for the advice, im still trying my best.
     
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    Your increased mental health hygiene will more than offset the destroyed credit. You don't need credit to buy ramen. Just do chores around the house for money.
     
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