PokeWWon: A Wild Kanto Adventure - Champs Season 12 Practice Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What I mean is “case is bland” is irrelevant. The town case is bland. I’m not interested in spicy. I’m interested in correct.

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[Zenge142]

At the very least, instead of flipping Dina, who we should take time to properly evaluate, we should be flipping someone like Clem, who’s contributed nothing to the village discussion, and is unsolvable by the majority of the thread.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At the very least, instead of flipping Dina, who we should take time to properly evaluate, we should be flipping someone like Clem, who’s contributed nothing to the village discussion, and is unsolvable by the majority of the thread.

Clem is not unsolvable.

 

[Zenge142]

I understand the suspicion on Dina, but I’m unequivocally unwilling to vote for Dina this cycle.

 

[Zenge142]

Clem is not unsolvable.

Maybe not by you. I think a lot of the thread struggles and will continue to struggle with the slot.

You might not always be around.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I understand the suspicion on Dina, but I’m unequivocally unwilling to vote for Dina this cycle.

I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make sense.

 

[Zenge142]

I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make sense.

Because you can’t understand that villager also do suspicious things, which can get them misyeeted?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Zenge, your mission is to show why a broadly trusted player is mafia.

It’s the only way your current view can hold water. So that is what you must do. It is difficult, but you are strong. You are kirb. You are Him.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because you can’t understand that villager also do suspicious things, which can get them misyeeted?

No kidding.

That doesn’t equal “never voting”. You know that.

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge, your mission is to show why a broadly trusted player is mafia.

It’s the only way your current view can hold water. So that is what you must do. It is difficult, but you are strong. You are kirb. You are Him.

I made a case on Mayo. If people are unwilling to even consider it, then there isn’t a lot I can do, unfortunately. I’m not a miracle worker. I can’t move mountains.

 

[Zenge142]

No kidding.

That doesn’t equal “never voting”. You know that.

This cycle is a key phrase.

Dina deserves more of an opportunity than to have village blindly sleepwalk to yeeting her, pre-assuming they know the outcome.

Ask me how I know…

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I made a case on Mayo. If people are unwilling to even consider it, then there isn’t a lot I can do, unfortunately. I’m not a miracle worker. I can’t move mountains.

Could you please direct me to it? It’s difficult for me to dig at work since I’m on mobile.

I only remember you griping about his eyerolls.

 

[moonstermash]

Everyone:

Please rate your current comfort level with the state of this game and town’s position.

1-10

1 = complete disaster, town loss imminent
10 = totally under town control

7

Zenge's posting since coming back from selfing is kinda swaying me, ngl. It's giving me shades of DrakeMarshall in my quals game from last year, if you remember that (nbd if you don't). I mean, part of the reason I opened voting Dina is because I could see more room for town!Zenge's D1 to have been offkilter from everyone else. But then his posting to start D2 seemed to close that room. Now, coming back and putting in more what I expected from Zenge, IDK, the room's there again.

I still don't understand why town!Zenge didn't have the same substance yesterday that he does today, and I still disagree with much of what he's saying, but doubt is creeping in.

 

[madrigal01]

11 townies left, 2 mafia left. Even if we're wrong tonight, that's still much better odds for town. My confidence is at a 7.5

Least Likely: Samac, Vampyrica, AM

Me being a deeply mistrustful person: JJJ, PSV, Moon, SAR

More Likely: Dina, Zenge, KJQ

PoE: Mayo (worst condiment), Clem

 

[moonstermash]

...I am way over my head oml the spreadsheets are next level

If you (or anyone else) needs help reading them, just let me know.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would probably also be around a 7.

I am usually the most confident cucumber in the room. I experience some dissonance when people are pre-flipping others as mafia without mechanical confirmation.

Zenge is not confirmed mafia. Zenge is not outed. He is “highly suspicious”.

 

[KayJayQueue]

11 townies left, 2 mafia left. Even if we're wrong tonight, that's still much better odds for town. My confidence is at a 7.5

Least Likely: Samac, Vampyrica, AM

Me being a deeply mistrustful person: JJJ, PSV, Moon, SAR

More Likely: Dina, Zenge, KJQ

PoE: Mayo (worst condiment), Clem

Why am I more likely?

 

[vampyrica]

I'd like to begin building my Clem case using the super cool new skill of "Spoiler". Enjoy.

Spoiler: Saturday 4/26

i like what santy, jjj, SAR, and Clem have done so far.

genny makes their first incriminating statement, which to me also seems to incriminate Clem. my logic here is: "throw some of the active people in and then drop a fellow wolf to vouch" without actually checking to see if Clem said anything. I went back to those first 5 pages before this statement was made and Clem had 0 post interactions and 0 comments/posts. literal silence; how can you be cleared if you havent said or done anything?

no, not me. but i have noticed it's a problem here in general. and i have a pretty good read rate on him from very few posts in the past. not zero, obviously. the joke is less funny if i actually explain all the layers though

am i supposed to really believe there's some secret inside joke that led to a serious auto-read on Clem?

Spoiler: Sunday, 4/27

Ope I do not remember how to play mafia

was this an attempt at being funny? the reactions seem to think so, but it's more concerning that laughable. plenty of "WW" games in your past posts are enough for me to believe that you literally know enough to play the game correctly. this brings me to this weird comment they made in response to my question of "didnt you sign up for mafia champs?"

I've never played WW before

literally what in the gaslighting is this??? you forgot how to play "mafia" but you "never played WW before." you're making my brain hurt, pick a lie. EX:

• pWWants are people too, page 1 "This Werewolf game is brought to you by kaydubs and JJJ"

Is this a serious vote?

this seems incriminating to me, so genny can auto-read Clem with 0 posts, but moon can't auto vote Clem with the 1 post they made? yeah ok.

Vampyrica unfortunately probably mafia

i get read as maf for questioning their weird intro post of "ope I do not remember how to play mafia". projectingggggg.

Scum
Scum
Town
Scum
Town

mayo reads clem as scum, yet votes with them on D2?

Upper PoE

Clem
KayJayQueue

santy who pushed for genny and was correct, reads clem as upper POE. given the current record, I would trust this take.

....of whatever alignment assignment method the hosts used.

when I asked them "because?..." after they said I was unfortunately mafia, this was their response. no juice? no logical reason? call me stupid but what?..

despite being there until the finale of D1, they kept their vote on KJQ until the very end.

Spoiler: Tuesday 4/29

Anyways I'm parking on vampirica (sp, sorry)

with no read whatsoever? because you didnt like that i asked you a question 20 pages ago? atleast give me a real reason instead of the short choppy jokey responses you’ve been firing off.

I will have to continue this when I get home, I do not condone texting and driving. Buckle up kids!

 

[Zenge142]

Could you please direct me to it? It’s difficult for me to dig at work since I’m on mobile.

I only remember you griping about his eyerolls.

This is what I wrote originally.

holdthemayo - genny voting Mayo really does read as a distancing attempt to me. I think when I flip village, you'll see Mayo's vote for at the end of D1 as opportunistic and furry. His general attitude is obfuscating, and pretty rude, which from a meta perspective, I find is more likely to be seen in wolf Mayo. His hiding behind AM's concern about "post cap" as an excuse to drag his heels in our discussion is laughably comical, coming from Mayo, who I've never seen come anywhere close to hitting post cap even once.

Also Mayo’s vote for Vamp this cycle is atrocious. Like what’s the argument here!?

“Oh Vamp was the last one on the genny wagon? Must be a wolf!” Please.

Although I assume Mayo is really just waiting for the opportune time to vote for me when the hammer comes.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Also what do you think of Dina’s vote on me if we’re distancing?

Just a straight up bus?

If you two were distancing, yes. What makes me suspicious is the mutual okay reads fiscal yesterday which flopped when discussion of you two being a pack came into play. It does seem like preservation of the pack to turn on each other at this point.

When you're tall like Zenge, you can get big shot
when you're smol like me and cubs has a gun, you get smol shot

No one shoots like Gaston!

Tomorrow is my birthday and my mom is taking me to the mall like I’m a teenager so I’ll be back before close. Most likely. Byeeee.

Happy birthday mother!

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[moonstermash]

11 townies left, 2 mafia left. Even if we're wrong tonight, that's still much better odds for town. My confidence is at a 7.5

Least Likely: Samac, Vampyrica, AM

Me being a deeply mistrustful person: JJJ, PSV, Moon, SAR

More Likely: Dina, Zenge, KJQ

PoE: Mayo (worst condiment), Clem

I'd also feel a little better if we didn't have a mafia vig shot likely to hit tonight. (Normally mafia only has 1 kill per night; giving them a second kill is kinda spicy for the MU organizers tbh.)

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is what I wrote originally.

Also Mayo’s vote for Vamp this cycle is atrocious. Like what’s the argument here!?

“Oh Vamp was the last one on the genny wagon? Must be a wolf!” Please.

Although I assume Mayo is really just waiting for the opportune time to vote for me when the hammer comes.

I at least agree that @holdthemayo has an underwhelming vote right now. I may also suggest his tone of confidence about Zenge doesn’t align with his level of involvement or with the circumstances. He probably shouldn’t match AM’s confidence.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Although I think Zenge is 100% right. The only outted wolf is genny, and not considering a village!Zenge world is foolish.

 

[madrigal01]

I'd also feel a little better if we didn't have a mafia vig shot likely to hit tonight. (Normally mafia only has 1 kill per night; giving them a second kill is kinda spicy for the MU organizers tbh.)

Forgot about that play, thanks for reminding me!

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I probably won’t be able to carefully review moonster’s beautiful waterfall at work. Sadness and depression.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Everyone that is give numbers over 8 to Jay’s question are literally just pre-flipping a slot without considering that slot could flip town. This is crazy to me unless meta is really that airtight.

I trust myself. It's not crazy to not be a chicken.

So what's your number? Didn't hear much from you today yet.

 

[moonstermash]

Forgot about that play, thanks for reminding me!

No problem, I almost forgot about it too, lol

 

[Zenge142]

KJQ

I think KJQ’s Samac suspicion is a little aggressive, but I like the fire and the passion. Feels very village sided.

Also if you’re living in a “KJQ is a wolf” world you have to make the remaining wolf partner exactly Vamp.

Because anyone else in this thread would have told KJQ it’s easier just to night kill Samac than try and misyeet her, given her reputation for never being misyeeted.

 

[madrigal01]

You can still sus me, I won’t get scared off lol don’t worry, when I town up it gets pretty apparent.

I feel so sympathetic of the rough weekend shifts, but this comment is what scares me tbh. I'm new, sorry

 

[Zenge142]

If you two were distancing, yes. What makes me suspicious is the mutual okay reads fiscal yesterday which flopped when discussion of you two being a pack came into play. It does seem like preservation of the pack to turn on each other at this point.

Thread consensus is to yeet me today.

Then regardless of the flip, yeet Dina tomorrow.

What’s the point of a bussing strategy then?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I feel so sympathetic of the rough weekend shifts, but this comment is what scares me tbh. I'm new, sorry

Your contributions are important and always appreciated. You’re here. You’re in it. You’re a part of it. I’m pleased.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

USING THE @EVERYONE IS SO ANNOYING I WILL THROW A TANTRUM ABOUT IT.
*ahem*
He's a not-uncommonly N1'd player on this site to begin with. He also clearly demonstrated his prowess by sniffing out genny. So there are two scenarios in my mind that make the most sense:
1) The wolves are Dina and Zenge. They killed Santy because he had them as suspicious and would possibly have gone on to pursue them today. Given his ability to encourage others to vote genny with him, this would be highly threatening.
2) The wolves are not Dina and Zenge or at least not those two together. They killed Santy both due to his town cred and so he'd die with Zenge and Dina in his scumlist.
Either way he was all but mechanically confirmed village and thus makes the most logical sense to kill.

 

[madrigal01]

I think KJQ’s Samac suspicion is a little aggressive, but I like the fire and the passion. Feels very village sided.

Also if you’re living in a “KJQ is a wolf” world you have to make the remaining wolf partner exactly Vamp.

Because anyone else in this thread would have told KJQ it’s easier just to night kill Samac than try and misyeet her, given her reputation for never being misyeeted.

The thing is that I'm missing much of the context/meta here. I'm just going off vibes and ISOs rn.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Thread consensus is to yeet me today.

Then regardless of the flip, yeet Dina tomorrow.

What’s the point of a bussing strategy then?

Aye. What's the point, indeed.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm not sure why "aye" has recently entered my lexicon but just picture an eyepatch I guess.

 

[Zenge142]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

He caught genny and would have been considered lock town.

Except apparently by me, who was obsessed with my elaborate bussing strategy theory.

 

[WildZoo]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

I killed him

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'd also feel a little better if we didn't have a mafia vig shot likely to hit tonight. (Normally mafia only has 1 kill per night; giving them a second kill is kinda spicy for the MU organizers tbh.)

How do you know we didn't kill the vig yesterday?

 

[KayJayQueue]

I trust myself. It's not crazy to not be a chicken.

So what's your number? Didn't hear much from you today yet.

Has to be over 5 because we have such a numbers advantage right now. But I am not scum reading zenge so I think we have the potential to lose 3 town from today to tomorrow if scum vig kill at night. So I don’t have a reason to give over a 7. I get that zenge is inevitably flipping today so I’d rather analyze things during the night after I know their alignment is confirmed.

 

[supershorty]

USING THE @EVERYONE IS SO ANNOYING I WILL THROW A TANTRUM ABOUT IT.

Okay Mel

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

USING THE @EVERYONE IS SO ANNOYING I WILL THROW A TANTRUM ABOUT IT.
*ahem*
He's a not-uncommonly N1'd player on this site to begin with. He also clearly demonstrated his prowess by sniffing out genny. So there are two scenarios in my mind that make the most sense:
1) The wolves are Dina and Zenge. They killed Santy because he had them as suspicious and would possibly have gone on to pursue them today. Given his ability to encourage others to vote genny with him, this would be highly threatening.
2) The wolves are not Dina and Zenge or at least not those two together. They killed Santy both due to his town cred and so he'd die with Zenge and Dina in his scumlist.
Either way he was all but mechanically confirmed village and thus makes the most logical sense to kill.

Sorry, I didn’t realize everyone was actually a tag here

Now I’m embarrassed

Have I attracted the entire website to that post

 

[Zenge142]

I'm not sure why "aye" has recently entered my lexicon but just picture an eyepatch I guess.

You’re adopting the outlaw life? Leaving TOWN and heading out into the criminal furry underbelly?

Interesting…

 

[KayJayQueue]

How do you know we didn't kill the vig yesterday?

We can’t assume such things. The odds are higher that we didn’t.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Although I think Zenge is 100% right. The only outted wolf is genny, and not considering a village!Zenge world is foolish.

Marked seen at 5:50 PM EDT Tuesday, April 29, 2025, A.D.

 

[supershorty]

Sorry, I didn’t realize everyone was actually a tag here

Now I’m embarrassed

Have I attracted the entire website to that post

No, but Zenge did once accidentally tag someone into a WW game lol

 

[Animal Midwife]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

Because he pushed Zenge, pushed genny, and did not make any moves to muscles anyone.

 

[Zenge142]

We can’t assume such things. The odds are higher that we didn’t.

Isn’t math fun! 😅

Spoiler

Numbers is Villains

 

[Animal Midwife]

Has to be over 5 because we have such a numbers advantage right now. But I am not scum reading zenge so I think we have the potential to lose 3 town from today to tomorrow if scum vig kill at night. So I don’t have a reason to give over a 7. I get that zenge is inevitably flipping today so I’d rather analyze things during the night after I know their alignment is confirmed.

Could you let me know why you're not scum reading him?

 

[moonstermash]

@everyone

Please tell me why you think Santy died.

Like I said to start the day, probably mostly for his push on genny at EOD1 being unpairing. I also feel like he had generally correct reads, and there's probably someone he would be pushing harder to protect or scum read were he here. (PSV stands out as a town read of his that AM has been tunnelling, but it could be multiple people, IDK).

Plus, in my experience, Santy is scary for wolves the further into the game he goes. He's perceptive, he has thread pull, he's a good town leader. On SDN, he and samac are usually a strong town pair.

Frankly, Santy is just very N1-able.