PokeWWon: A Wild Kanto Adventure - Champs Season 12 Practice Game Thread

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We have less than 11 hours remaining. That's plenty of time, but it also demands a sense of urgency. As of right this moment, I don't think this game is pointing in a coherent direction. There hasn't been much opportunity for that, so we're going to have to make it happen by force.

I'd be very appreciative if everyone could give me 2-3 town reads and 2-3 least-town/wolf reads. That'd be a start. If you can provide more than that, even better.

Bringing this back as the clock continues ticking.

We can’t have the game splintered into fifteen little solving bubbles. Towns in champs love to do that, and it never works. Let’s begin communally building a solve.

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[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is it Jay? Is it “all too much” for you?

Votes aren’t locked in.

This seems a little bit dramatic from you

Projection. I was essentially calling your vote dramatic.

That they’re not locked is irrelevant. You placed the vote. You voiced the suspicion. I doubt it’s authenticity.

 

[Zenge142]

Projection. I was essentially calling your vote dramatic.

That they’re not locked is irrelevant. You placed the vote. You voiced the suspicion. I doubt it’s authenticity.

You doubt that I saw something I didn’t like, and put a vote down as a result?

 

[samac]

How often have you played with SAR? It surprises me that you would be sus of Zenge for being lurky on D1 yet claim a meta on SAR.

Agree to disagree.

Off the top of my head I know Zenge was a wolf in BoWWling because I also was, but at this point that was a long time ago.

Warm hugs for psv

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You doubt that I saw something I didn’t like, and put a vote down as a result?

I doubt the reasoning that you shared is genuine. It’s hard for me to believe that you really believe PSV is wolfy because of the game she mentioned to me.

 

[Dinashadow]

How dare someone off Squirtle. that's my starter, man 😭

Bulbasaur or bust, but at least you didn't say Charmander

I suspect samac a bit for this too. TMI if Zenge is town

samac didn't say "Zenge is often quiet and lurky as town"

samac instead treated my suspicion like it was the derpiest thing anyone had ever written (which should frankly imply suspicion of me, but she did not state as much).

I did not like the language of her rebuttal and view it with suspicion. I don't care about being denied.

I have seen him get accused of being quiet and lurky probably no less than 20 times. It is the lowest hanging zenge fruit.

Thread has mostly moved on from this, but this isn't AI for samac to say this re: early zenge votes and calling it low hanging fruit or similar. However, her early posts like this felt kind superficial and 'easy' (for lack of a better word I guess). But then she posted about looking at her PM after she posted all of this and now I'm not sure what to think.

i'm sorry but this jj feels nothing like the jj that duped lawpy. that's my yardstick.

is this just vibes?

 

[samac]

Is it your experience that mayo would typically demonstrate town indicators by this point?

He has not done a single thing town indicative. I saw your argument but I disagree.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He has not done a single thing town indicative. I saw your argument but I disagree.

My "argument" can absolutely be ignored. I was really just extending from Santy's comments. Mayo is dead null to me.

 

[samac]

Yeet PSV

I think it’s Wolfy that of ALL my wolf games PSV chose bowling, which is a game PSV knows full well isn’t a great representation of my wolf meta, as mechanics forced me to play in a way that was unique to that game and that game alone

What no

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Dina just made a towny post! Dina just made a towny post!

 

[moonstermash]

Ope I do not remember how to play mafia

####Vote Clem J####

 

[samac]

Bowwling was a nasty, rude game, mechanically designed to be anti-wolf.

PSV knows this

Facts

 

[Dinashadow]

I am bothered by Zenge's vote for PSV. I won't say everything in my head yet so she can respond unbiased, but I will say a little.

There's something off about this series of events:

-- Jay reviews recent Zenge town games and observes a trend
-- Jay notes that he hasn't included a wolf game and that it would be important to do so
-- PSV mentions a Zenge wolf game in which she was his wolfmate (without implying anything about his posts in the game)
-- Jay checks that game and finds vague evidence consistent with present Zenge suspicion
-- Zenge directs his ire at PSV for the game she chose and not at me for my interpretation of that game, and Zenge does not protest the basic premise of my previous post featuring his town games that looked different

I feel like that was the wrong answer. If Zenge is town he shouldn't be implicitly granting me the meta points I made about him, because (as others have suggested), my meta would be wrong. Instead, he griped about the game PSV chose. That game can only vaguely contribute to my suspicion of Zenge, and he reacted as though it needed to be nipped in the bud.

This is difficult to explain, so please let me know if I am not being clear. Essentially, this smells like a case of a wolf that believes he is being caught for the wrong reasons and wants to smear someone (PSV) for an off-hand comment that contributed to it. It's incongruent and awkward.

I have more reasons than this to doubt Zenge's vote for PSV. I will expand soon. Hopefully PSV can jump in first.

I do like this line of thinking tbh. I want to village read JJJ, but also I modded stardew valley 2 so I will proceed with caution.

Re: zenge, I've never been a fan of voting him out early game because I do think he needs time to cook. Voting early does feel way out of his meta, but I haven't played in a really long time, so I will lean on others for that

 

[Zenge142]

What no

Well it certainly got people talking

 

[Dinashadow]

He has not done a single thing town indicative. I saw your argument but I disagree.

I agree with samac. Also, do you still hold a mayo card?

Also, I've missed u

 

[samac]

I am bothered by Zenge's vote for PSV. I won't say everything in my head yet so she can respond unbiased, but I will say a little.

There's something off about this series of events:

-- Jay reviews recent Zenge town games and observes a trend
-- Jay notes that he hasn't included a wolf game and that it would be important to do so
-- PSV mentions a Zenge wolf game in which she was his wolfmate (without implying anything about his posts in the game)
-- Jay checks that game and finds vague evidence consistent with present Zenge suspicion
-- Zenge directs his ire at PSV for the game she chose and not at me for my interpretation of that game, and Zenge does not protest the basic premise of my previous post featuring his town games that looked different

I feel like that was the wrong answer. If Zenge is town he shouldn't be implicitly granting me the meta points I made about him, because (as others have suggested), my meta would be wrong. Instead, he griped about the game PSV chose. That game can only vaguely contribute to my suspicion of Zenge, and he reacted as though it needed to be nipped in the bud.

This is difficult to explain, so please let me know if I am not being clear. Essentially, this smells like a case of a wolf that believes he is being caught for the wrong reasons and wants to smear someone (PSV) for an off-hand comment that contributed to it. It's incongruent and awkward.

I have more reasons than this to doubt Zenge's vote for PSV. I will expand soon. Hopefully PSV can jump in first.

This is a note to myself to return here.
I’m at a board game/rog convention this weekend. I’ll be back before close

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

AM's recent interaction with Zenge was slightly towny. I will probably still withhold the green font to be safe, but that was a step in the right direction.

 

[Santygrass]

Now that Dina quoted it. genny did seemed to me like, trying to blen in thread or like, awfully in line with thread consensus instead of being like, in their genny line of thoughts. The clem mention was a joke and should be take. as NAI .

I also agree with Jay saying the vote on PSV from Zenges is kinda uncharitable to PSV but idk. Mulling it over

 

[moonstermash]

We have less than 11 hours remaining. That's plenty of time, but it also demands a sense of urgency. As of right this moment, I don't think this game is pointing in a coherent direction. There hasn't been much opportunity for that, so we're going to have to make it happen by force.

I'd be very appreciative if everyone could give me 2-3 town reads and 2-3 least-town/wolf reads. That'd be a start. If you can provide more than that, even better.

I have you, Santy, and SAR as towniest. Least towny includes vampyrica by default (though I agree with not voting newbies, and the tagging issue is also a consideration), and then Clem and Kay. (Or maybe madrigal; some of this could be recency bias.)

 

[Zenge142]

This is a note to myself to return here.
I’m at a board game/rog convention this weekend. I’ll be back before close

Monopoly?

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - samac, AM
AM (1) - mayo
Zenge (2) - Jay, Santy
PSV (1) - Zenge
Clem (1) - moon

Not voting: too many for my taste, but you do you
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 8 hours and 40 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
- I'm not going to include post counts here because I know I won't keep up with them, but I did add the information about how to find your own post count to the FAQ section of the opening post

- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

SARdoghandler
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Santygrass
moonstermash
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potentialsheltervet
Dinashadow

Tiers separated by confidence level, all town reads. Still need 2-3 more to feel secure in the game state.

AM is on the cusp, I just can't quite commit.

Null on KJQ, Mayo, genny, Clem, madrigal

vampyrica no posts, null by default

samac is in a state of superposition, in that she is probably fine, but for some reason I am not entirely comfortable, so in the interest of safety and responsibility she is right here next to the null squad. She doesn't have any "suspicious" posts; I am just kind of waiting to feel something.

Some active suspicion of Zenge

 

[Santygrass]

I did like that AM didnt give a single f to all my rambling about Mayo and voted them regardless. I think wolf AM could be wary doing that because Im known to lash back when people sus my townreads.

Instead my ramblings I think just put mayo in her head and the sentiment of them not being out of wolfrange is genuine

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Now that Dina quoted it. genny did seemed to me like, trying to blen in thread or like, awfully in line with thread consensus instead of being like, in their genny line of thoughts. The clem mention was a joke and should be take. as NAI .

what about when I quoted it 😔

 

[Santygrass]

what about when I quoted it 😔

I didnt want to comment that at the moment to see if genny said something more, so I noted it as /talk about it tomorrow if still feels the same/ . And then I forgor (skill issue) but remembered when I saw the Dina post

 

[Animal Midwife]

I did like that AM didnt give a single f to all my rambling about Mayo and voted them regardless. I think wolf AM could be wary doing that because Im known to lash back when people sus my townreads.

Instead my ramblings I think just put mayo in her head and the sentiment of them not being out of wolfrange is genuine

I didn't give an F because

1. mayo has played this way in multiple wolf games.

2. when he efforts, he's very easy to find as village.

Nothing you pointed out was AI and you even admitted as much at the time.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone else have a read on samac? Help me sort her out, please and thanks.

 

[Animal Midwife]

(Just for clarification, I don't mean "give an F" in the sense that I don't care about your takes ever. Rather I simply disagree with this particular one but still value counterpoints to keeps my head level.)

 

[Zenge142]

Anyone else have a read on samac? Help me sort her out, please and thanks.

I honestly don’t know what team she’s playing for since she still hasn’t said anything in Wolf Chat

 

[Santygrass]

Yeah , I mean moreso in the sense of you caring about my particular reaction. And like, as a wolf when you vote someone you do it because you think they are viable, and even if I wasnt repping the tr hard there, I still probably made more posts about mayo than mayo themselves, so idt as a wolf you see that as something /viable/ or a good vote allocation if it has potential of me not liking it. Even in your vote you didnt put nothing mentioning me and your disagreement on my take, because you arent trying to appeal to me and voting what you believe, is moreso my take.

Me talking about mayo, you engaged there a bit, said your stance and is understandable that he kept floating around in your mind, and since your stance on his play didnt change you acted on it is more what I infer, which is why im tring it.

There's also the possibility that wolf!you doesnt care as much about my particular reaction and saw that samac was also voting there and just went with it ig, but I'm selfcentered like that and dont think is likely the case

 

[Santygrass]

Anyone else have a read on samac? Help me sort her out, please and thanks.

My read is similar to yours, slightly townleaning but like, nothing out of her range I feel. I'm also waiting on *something* , but laying out what I expect from her would make it lose its purpose entirely, I dont want to give her notes on how to achieve my townread tbhtbh

 

[Zenge142]

Threads quiet… too quiet… what are they plotzing?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Going to

Yeet Mayo

I need to see more town effort than what he has done so far. He can be a solid villager when he wants but I haven't seen any evidence for that in his posts so far

 

[KayJayQueue]

I feel really bad but I have work up until and past the deadline. I’ve been working for 7 hours but can’t find time to get into this. It’s really bad timing on my end for a 24/24 game to have day 1. I’ll be home tomorrow but that’s no help at all.

I guess if anyone wants to prompt me for something specific, I can try to get into the game that way but being unfamiliar with everyone and having no meta leaves me at a disadvantage right now.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (3) - samac, AM, SAR
AM (1) - mayo
Zenge (2) - Jay, Santy
PSV (1) - Zenge
Clem (1) - moon

Not voting: too many for my taste, but you do you
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 6 hours and 47 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
- I'm not going to include post counts here because I know I won't keep up with them, but I did add the information about how to find your own post count to the FAQ section of the opening post

- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

 

[genny]

is this just vibes?

All my reads are vibes.

 

[genny]

Anyone else have a read on samac? Help me sort her out, please and thanks.

I find her less pushy than usual, but I’m not sure yet what that means. Because even as a wolf, she doesn’t tend to coast under the radar.

 

[genny]

####Vote Clem J####

Is this a serious vote?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - samac, AM
AM (1) - mayo
Zenge (2) - Jay, Santy
PSV (1) - Zenge
Clem (1) - moon
mayo (1) - SAR

Not voting: too many for my taste, but you do you
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 6 hours and 47 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
- I'm not going to include post counts here because I know I won't keep up with them, but I did add the information about how to find your own post count to the FAQ section of the opening post

- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

I think the mayo I'm voting for is the same as the mayo the others are voting for, actually 😂

 

[SARdoghandler]

All my reads are vibes.

Are you vibing any particular direction right now?

 

[genny]

Are you vibing any particular direction right now?

I think I’m still at the same place with my town list thus far as what I said earlier

 

[vampyrica]

salutations. just catching up here, gauging vibes if you will.

{1}

 

[Zenge142]

Unyeet PSV

 

[vampyrica]

Am I correct that vampyrica is also a first-time player?

first time thread player, solid TOS player 😉 just trying to get used to this format and be as involved as possible.

{2}

 

[moonstermash]

Is this a serious vote?

Yes

 

[moonstermash]

I feel really bad but I have work up until and past the deadline. I’ve been working for 7 hours but can’t find time to get into this. It’s really bad timing on my end for a 24/24 game to have day 1. I’ll be home tomorrow but that’s no help at all.

I guess if anyone wants to prompt me for something specific, I can try to get into the game that way but being unfamiliar with everyone and having no meta leaves me at a disadvantage right now.

Do you have any thoughts on mayo and Zenge (our current frontrunners for elim)?

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet Moonster

 

[vampyrica]

Do you have any thoughts on mayo and Zenge (our current frontrunners for elim)?

Why the genuine vote for Clem J and not any of the current frontrunners?

I did a lil' lurking to vibe check majority of you since this is my first time playing with y'all and it seemed like Clem J was enthusiastic to participate in the championships and yet made the comment which prompted your vote. Hm.

 

[vampyrica]

I'm leaning towards abstaining with my vote for the day, however we still have many hours to go so that could change.

 

[moonstermash]

Why the genuine vote for Clem J and not any of the current frontrunners?

I did a lil' lurking to vibe check majority of you since this is my first time playing with y'all and it seemed like Clem J was enthusiastic to participate in the championships and yet made the comment which prompted your vote. Hm.

I think we still have a bit of time before we need to consolidate, and I was hoping to prompt Clem to post more. Plus, I got a whiff of randed mafia energy from his post.