Ponce or DO?

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To me it is obvious, but if OP is OOS for MSU, choosing DO is even more foolish. That school is too expensive for anyone with choices to consider. Ponce is a good school, and for now, US MD offers more choices. Doing clerkships in poor busy hospitals is actually a huge plus. You will see more than your fair share of zebras, making for a better learning experience.
 
Why would they be looked differently if they are US MDs?

I never said they aren't US MDs. I said that they would be looked at differently because of the program they come from as that is one of the many factors that comes into play when matching. Is that to hard for you to understand?

It seems that you just came into this thread to argue with me and you have yet to actually provide the OP with any advice which was the whole point of this thread.
 
Just to add to this somehow confusing conversation, let's say the OP changes their mind and decides on something wild like anything surgical (where they will lose their soul for the rest of their lives), then as a DO, the odds of you matching is very slim. Every year you will find maybe 1 DO per class match general surgery through the NRMP match probably because they did it as a back up for some surgical subspecialty. Anecdotally, our school matched 2 in surgery last year (1 GS, 1 ENT) and this year we matched 1 GS - all of whom absolutely would have matched at their top choices in whatever surgical subspecialty they wanted had they not been DOs (The ENT match was very impressive last year). I do know the GS match had a 258 Step 1 and near 270 step 2 who had ranked multiple integrated plastics programs and ultimately fell to their GS ranks far down their list... as DOs will typically do when going after something competitive.

In regards to those matching EM this year, those who matched their top EM spots at competitive programs and cities were those with Step 1 scores of 248, 248, 248, 250 and Step 2s all above 250. Would those scores be needed as a US MD student? No. You could have matched these programs with >235 Step 1 and 2 as any US MD with a normal personality. It's just the way it is and those who think a DO is considered equal in the NRMP match are delusional.
 
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FTFY. I know what you were trying to say, but saying things like "those who go abroad" and "in the US" don't really jibe with your point.

And yes, I know an accepted definition of "abroad" is just over a wide area, but that's not the common meaning that people associate with the word, particularly when accompanied by the phrase "in the US."
Thanks for the note on semantics.
 
I can't add much about these two schools but I will add that every year emergency medicine becomes more competitive. It is becoming one of the most sought after specialties due to $ and lifestyle. If you are dead set on EM, just make sure both schools have a program or a way to connect you to one so you can get involved early. Good luck!
 
Wow, I didnt even consider Ponce 33413487 months ago when I was applying. After reading this, I kinda regret it especially since Im a native Spanish speaker. Is it too late to apply? lol
 
Wow, I didnt even consider Ponce 33413487 months ago when I was applying. After reading this, I kinda regret it especially since Im a native Spanish speaker. Is it too late to apply? lol
It is a sweet school with mcats in the mid 20's.
 
I think you are all crazy. The fact that some of you are recommending PR over a solid state-side DO school is outrageous to me. I just don't get it lol.
 
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I think you are all crazy. The fact that some of you are recommending PR over a solid state-side DO school is outrageous to me.
I guess you figured out how highly SDN regards DO's. The Bias is real come residency placement time. MSUCOM is like the best DO school too.
 
I think you are all crazy. The fact that some of you are recommending PR over a solid state-side DO school is outrageous to me. I just don't get it lol.

PR schools are US MD so they don't have to deal with COMLEX, DO shelves, required OMM, rotation problems etc. that's a significant advantage.
 
Just to add to this somehow confusing conversation, let's say the OP changes their mind and decides on something wild like anything surgical (where they will lose their soul for the rest of their lives), then as a DO, the odds of you matching is very slim. Every year you will find maybe 1 DO per class match general surgery through the NRMP match probably because they did it as a back up for some surgical subspecialty. Anecdotally, our school matched 2 in surgery last year (1 GS, 1 ENT) and this year we matched 1 GS - all of whom absolutely would have matched at their top choices in whatever surgical subspecialty they wanted had they not been DOs (The ENT match was very impressive last year). I do know the GS match had a 258 Step 1 and near 270 step 2 who had ranked multiple integrated plastics programs and ultimately fell to their GS ranks far down their list... as DOs will typically do when going after something competitive.

In regards to those matching EM this year, those who matched their top EM spots at competitive programs and cities were those with Step 1 scores of 248, 248, 248, 250 and Step 2s all above 250. Would those scores be needed as a US MD student? No. You could have matched these programs with >235 Step 1 and 2 as any US MD with a normal personality. It's just the way it is and those who think a DO is considered equal in the NRMP match are delusional.

There are DO schools with a healthy chunk of their graduates matching GS. Nova, LECOM, PCOM, and VCOM come off the top of my head, Im sure there are plenty more. Not sure what school you are referring to..
ENT is obviously a diff story, dont think Ive come across a DO match list that has one
 
There are some ACGME residency programs that take US-IMGs at the same or higher percentage compared to DO applicants. So literally treating DO grads as Caribbean grads. That being said it is difficult to assess the total impact due to the AOA match as we do not know if those applicants dual applied and obtained their desired residency in AOA. The only reason to stay DO would be outside of career goals like preference to stay in Lansing over PR which is kinda absurd as well imho. The only people actively advocating for choosing DO over MD in this instance are DO apologists or DO students who have yet to come across the realities of the match and the associated bias. The data doesnt lie.
 
There are some ACGME residency programs that take US-IMGs at the same or higher percentage compared to DO applicants. So literally treating DO grads as Caribbean grads. That being said it is difficult to assess the total impact due to the AOA match as we do not know if those applicants dual applied and obtained their desired residency in AOA. The only reason to stay DO would be outside of career goals like preference to stay in Lansing over PR which is kinda absurd as well imho.

Yes, choosing to live near home versus in Puerto Rico. What could the disadvantages POSSIBLY be? Gawd:barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:


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Ehhh. I would also never live in LA, New York, Chicago ect.

I prefer stability. Not down with living somewhere where you have to be "street smart" to make sure you don't end up on the wrong side of things.
You don't need to be street smart, you just need to not be street stupid. If a shady looking guy on the corner asks you to come over so he can show you something, you're going to get mugged, it's pretty simple.
 
wait are you ignoring the differences between MD and DO outlined above, and blaming the differences on location?
Yes, I am saying the difference between DO and MD are puerto rico. Tf? What I am saying is in this circumstance I think a lot of you are downplaying the move from where opie is, to puerto rico.
 
Yes, I am saying the difference between DO and MD are puerto rico. Tf?

Yeah and i'm saying the differences are more than that

PR schools are US MD so they don't have to deal with COMLEX, DO shelves, required OMM, rotation problems etc. that's a significant advantage.
 
Yeah and i'm saying the differences are more than that

That was sarcasm. It doesn't matter. I disagree with you and that's that. Also just LOL at MSUCOM and rotation problems.

Opie plz highly consider what the move to PR would entail when thinking about MSUCOM vs Ponce de leon. Consider DO friendliness of your home state, the quality of MSUCOM, the costs associated to moving to an island, the isolation of doing so, etc. Many here will downplay such factors because of the MD degree and while it does have advantages and if the school was stateside many of those would outweigh MSUCOM (maybe), they are extremely important to consider.
 
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I do know the GS match had a 258 Step 1 and near 270 step 2 who had ranked multiple integrated plastics programs and ultimately fell to their GS ranks far down their list... as DOs will typically do when going after something competitive.

In regards to those matching EM this year, those who matched their top EM spots at competitive programs and cities were those with Step 1 scores of 248, 248, 248, 250 and Step 2s all above 250. Would those scores be needed as a US MD

You are absolutely crazy if you think these scores are required for ACGME EM or gen surg... The fear mongering here is ludicrous. I've talked to DO residents in surgery, it is not close the level of competitiveness you are describing. Same goes with EM
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Osteopathic-2016.pdf

Take a look at this, 84% of people with a COMLEX of over 500 matched. Even 64% of people with a score BELOW 500 matched. What do you think all those who matched with those low COMLEX scores are toting around 248s? Lol, no. ACGME EM is decently competitive but average DO students still match with broad apps. Throwing around numbers like 248 and 250 for ACGME EM is simply utter BS.

PR schools are US MD so they don't have to deal with COMLEX, DO shelves, required OMM, rotation problems etc. that's a significant advantage.

Yes, and I am a big proponent of going MD over DO usually, but people need to realize this decision goes far beyond that. We are talking about living in PR for four years. Everyone can say that oh it's a US territory, and oh it's part of the US but it is most definitely not like living in the states. OP needs to realize that. No point of going to the MD school when you will be miserable and likely underperform. There is also the issue of studying medicine in Spanish. Even for fluent Spanish speakers if you have been studying in English for all of UG and have never taken any type of science course (or undergrad course) in Spanish then you will struggle. I am fluent in Spanish and I would never think to do this. I don't know if OP is okay with those things, and I don't know if they aren't, but this conversation has way more I consider than MD vs. DO.
 
You are absolutely crazy if you think these scores are required for ACGME EM or gen surg... The fear mongering here is ludicrous. I've talked to DO residents in surgery, it is not close the level of competitiveness you are describing. Same goes with EM
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Osteopathic-2016.pdf

Take a look at this, 84% of people with a COMLEX of over 500 matched. Even 64% of people with a score BELOW 500 matched. What do you think all those who matched with those low COMLEX scores are toting around 248s? Lol, no. ACGME EM is decently competitive but average DO students still match with broad apps. Throwing around numbers like 248 and 250 for ACGME EM is simply utter BS.



Yes, and I am a big proponent of going MD over DO usually, but people need to realize this decision goes far beyond that. We are talking about living in PR for four years. Everyone can say that oh it's a US territory, and oh it's part of the US but it is most definitely not like living in the states. OP needs to realize that. No point of going to the MD school when you will be miserable and likely underperform. There is also the issue of studying medicine in Spanish. Even for fluent Spanish speakers if you have been studying in English for all of UG and have never taken any type of science course (or undergrad course) in Spanish then you will struggle. I am fluent in Spanish and I would never think to do this. I don't know if OP is okay with those things, and I don't know if they aren't, but this conversation has way more I consider than MD vs. DO.

+1 respect. +1 on JB50 like scale.
 
You are absolutely crazy if you think these scores are required for ACGME EM or gen surg... The fear mongering here is ludicrous. I've talked to DO residents in surgery, it is not close the level of competitiveness you are describing. Same goes with EM
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-US-Osteopathic-2016.pdf

Take a look at this, 84% of people with a COMLEX of over 500 matched. Even 64% of people with a score BELOW 500 matched. What do you think all those who matched with those low COMLEX scores are toting around 248s? Lol, no. ACGME EM is decently competitive but average DO students still match with broad apps. Throwing around numbers like 248 and 250 for ACGME EM is simply utter BS.



Yes, and I am a big proponent of going MD over DO usually, but people need to realize this decision goes far beyond that. We are talking about living in PR for four years. Everyone can say that oh it's a US territory, and oh it's part of the US but it is most definitely not like living in the states. OP needs to realize that. No point of going to the MD school when you will be miserable and likely underperform. There is also the issue of studying medicine in Spanish. Even for fluent Spanish speakers if you have been studying in English for all of UG and have never taken any type of science course (or undergrad course) in Spanish then you will struggle. I am fluent in Spanish and I would never think to do this. I don't know if OP is okay with those things, and I don't know if they aren't, but this conversation has way more I consider than MD vs. DO.
83% of US allo seniors matched gen surg that applied vs 50% of DO students. The mean Comlex for DO was 609 which is 93 percentile vs 235 USMLE step 1 which is 59th percentile for Allo Seniors. Only 55 DOs matched into gen surg.


Edit: 593 Mean for EM matches which is 90th percentile vs 235 USMLE step 1 56~ percentile.
 
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83% of US allo seniors matched gen surg that applied vs 50% of DO students. The mean Comlex for DO was 609 which is 93 percentile vs 235 USMLE step 1 which is 59th percentile for Allo Seniors. Only 55 DOs matched into gen surg.

Yes I know the numbers. The people I have talked to said you would be surprised at how many DOs apply to ACGME surgery with scores below average or only COMLEX. People also make the mistake of applying to a certain specific region as an average applicant, who would have matched with a broad app but they limit themselves geographically. Every person I have talked to said that ACGME gen surg is very doable for an applicant with a score around the average for the specialty (230s), some good LORs, a little research, a few aways, and a broad app.

All of this is what I was told. I stand by my point, a 250 USMLE is not even close to necessary to match GS or EM as a DO candidate.
 
Yes I know the numbers. The people I have talked to said you would be surprised at how many DOs apply to ACGME surgery with scores below average or only COMLEX. People also make the mistake of applying to a certain specific region as an average applicant, who would have matched with a broad app but they limit themselves geographically. Every person I have talked to said that ACGME gen surg is very doable for an applicant with a score around the average for the specialty (230s), some good LORs, a little research, a few aways, and a broad app.

All of this is what I was told. I stand by my point, a 250 USMLE is not even close to necessary to match GS or EM as a DO candidate.

We really dont know that. There is not data to support that 250 is not what they are getting. 250 ~85th percentile is closer to the Comlex score of 90+ percentiles of matched students.
 
We really dont know that. There is not data to support that 250 is not what they are getting. 250 ~85th percentile is closer to the Comlex score of 90+ percentiles of matched students.

We don't need data to know that a 250 is not necessary for GS, and especially not EM. Multiple residents in these forums and in real life have said so. Don't try and compare the percentiles of the COMLEX to USMLE. The test pools are completely different. That's the one big flaw with these charting outcomes, they don't list USMLE scores, but we don't need numbers to know a 250 is not necessary.
 
We really dont know that. There is not data to support that 250 is not what they are getting. 250 ~85th percentile is closer to the Comlex score of 90+ percentiles of matched students.
Percentiles are meaningless here because of the different applicant pools. Studies attempting to make formulas to convert between COMLEX and USMLE have found 609 would be anywhere between 213 and 228 (plus error). I'm not saying a 609 is actually equivalent to something in that range, it just shows the two exam scores cannot be easily compared.
 
We don't need data to know that a 250 is not necessary for GS, and especially not EM. Multiple residents in these forums and in real life have said so. Don't try and compare the percentiles of the COMLEX to USMLE. The test pools are completely different. That's the one big flaw with these charting outcomes, they don't list USMLE scores, but we don't need numbers to know a 250 is not necessary.
Percentiles are meaningless here because of the different applicant pools. Attempts to make formulas to convert between COMLEX and USMLE have found 609 would be anywhere between 213 and 228 (plus error). I'm not saying a 609 actually equivalent to something in that range, it just shows the two exam scores cannot be easily compared.
I am not attempting to convert the usmle to comlex. What I am merely showing is that these people are performing 90th percentile on a standardized test to assess basic clinical knowledge. They are the cream of the crop in the DO exams. It is not far fetched to say they are probably performing well on the USMLE as well. Compare this to the MD applicants who are matching into the same programs with average scores. Seems like an uphill battle to reach parity come match time. Why not put yourself through the "hell" of four years in PR so you dont have to spend 5 years of GS residency in hell at a program in bismark with a sadistic PD.
 
Why not put yourself through the "hell" of four years in PR so you dont have to spend 5 years of GS residency in hell at a program in bismark with a sadistic PD.

I never gave an opinion of what OP should do, all I said was it is much bigger than MD vs. DO. And why? Because in "hell" you probably won't be able to perform well. Doesn't matter if you are a USMD if you have a 200 USMLE or even worse fail a classs or fail out because you are miserable.

OP has a lot to consider and making it about MD or DO is very superficial.
 
I never gave an opinion of what OP should do, all I said was it is much bigger than MD vs. DO. And why? Because in "hell" you probably won't be able to perform well. Doesn't matter if you are a USMD if you have a 200 USMLE or even worse fail a classs or fail out because you are miserable.

OP has a lot to consider and making it about MD or DO is very superficial.

You're the man ITT. Agree with you 100% for once (lol). Great perspective.
 
I am not attempting to convert the usmle to comlex. What I am merely showing is that these people are performing 90th percentile on a standardized test to assess basic clinical knowledge. They are the cream of the crop in the DO exams. It is not far fetched to say they are probably performing well on the USMLE as well. Compare this to the MD applicants who are matching into the same programs with average scores. Seems like an uphill battle to reach parity come match time. Why not put yourself through the "hell" of four years in PR so you dont have to spend 5 years of GS residency in hell at a program in bismark with a sadistic PD.

Wut. Sadistic PDs are DO exclusive lol? Come on bro.
 
Yes, and I am a big proponent of going MD over DO usually, but people need to realize this decision goes far beyond that. We are talking about living in PR for four years. Everyone can say that oh it's a US territory, and oh it's part of the US but it is most definitely not like living in the states. OP needs to realize that. No point of going to the MD school when you will be miserable and likely underperform. There is also the issue of studying medicine in Spanish. Even for fluent Spanish speakers if you have been studying in English for all of UG and have never taken any type of science course (or undergrad course) in Spanish then you will struggle. I am fluent in Spanish and I would never think to do this. I don't know if OP is okay with those things, and I don't know if they aren't, but this conversation has way more I consider than MD vs. DO.

I mean i'm assuming OP is aware of the schools they applied to in the first place, so they would probably be okay living in Puerto Rico for a few years. Otherwise, why even apply there to begin with? And Ponce adcoms care more about having a class that meets their mission so they wouldn't interview OP if OP didn't know Spanish nor showed interest in serving the community.

I personally wouldn't apply to PR schools because I'm not the candidate they are looking for. But if given the choice between PR schools vs DO schools, I would definitely live in PR for 4 years. Living in PR despite the cultural differences is far better than dealing with DO-specific headaches and career restrictions.
 
I never gave an opinion of what OP should do, all I said was it is much bigger than MD vs. DO. And why? Because in "hell" you probably won't be able to perform well. Doesn't matter if you are a USMD if you have a 200 USMLE or even worse fail a classs or fail out because you are miserable.

OP has a lot to consider and making it about MD or DO is very superficial.

This is why having a smart school list is so crucial.
 
Lol, I take it CARS wasn't your strong suite. We were clearly talking about ACGME residencies.

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Living in PR despite the cultural differences is far better than dealing with DO-specific headaches and career restrictions.

As someone who has literally spent years learning about the DO route and discussing this with actual MDs and DOs I can say that they are overblown. Take care of your crap in school and you will have the exact career you want. If you plan on being a below average student then yes the below average MD has a higher ceiling, but for the most part the students in each pool end up where they want.
I mean i'm assuming OP is aware of the schools they applied to in the first place, so they would probably be okay living in Puerto Rico for a few years. Otherwise, why even apply there to begin with?

With how many "should I take the acceptance or reapply?" threads we see around here I have just decided to never make this assumption.
 
As someone who has literally spent years learning about the DO route and discussing this with actual MDs and DOs I can say that they are overblown. Take care of your crap in school and you will have the exact career you want. If you plan on being a below average student then yes the below average MD has a higher ceiling, but for the most part the students in each pool end up where they want.


With how many "should I take the acceptance or reapply?" threads we see around here I have just decided to never make this assumption.

What have you been drinking anatomygrey?
 
As someone who has literally spent years learning about the DO route and discussing this with actual MDs and DOs I can say that they are overblown. Take care of your crap in school and you will have the exact career you want. If you plan on being a below average student then yes the below average MD has a higher ceiling, but for the most part the students in each pool end up where they want.

Ok I can generally agree with this, but there's still the matter of DO school headaches like COMLEX, DO shelf exams, required OMM, often required mandatory attendance, difficulty in getting good clinical rotations etc. and of course dealing with whatever nonsense AOA/COCA dishes out. The MD route avoids nearly all of these problems.

With how many "should I take the acceptance or reapply?" threads we see around here I have just decided to never make this assumption.

Sadly agree with this. Still having a hard time imagining OP applying to PR schools just for the heck of it.
 
@JB50 didn't answer, but I'm wondering how many people talking about living in the "hell" of PR have actually been there or spent any time living there or on another similar island.

Edit: not out or malice or anything, just curious because I've been there several times and have lived the island life. It is not some third world hell hole like some of the places I went on deployment, which are likely closer to what some people here are picturing.
 
@JB50 didn't answer, but I'm wondering how many people talking about living in the "hell" of PR have actually been there or spent any time living there or on another similar island.

All I know about Puerto Rico is they have a major debt problem and can't declare bankruptcy because of a US law. That and the following post in Page 1 of this thread

As someone who lived in the Caribbean all their lives and lived in PR for a months I concede that crime is a problem but it is concentrated in certain areas. All you have to be is smart (street smart ). SUNY Downstate also has pockets of high crime and high drug use in surrounding communities around school but people know how to be smart to stay out of trouble sane with Chicago . I just think people exaggerate how the realities are outside of the really bad areas. Don't think that should be something to stop someone going ponce over a DO

Oh and these from Page 2.

Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. It is not an independent coutnry -- its head of state is the POTUS. Puerto Rico is not one of the 50 states of the United States and is not treated as such by constitutional law. That being said, all Puerto Ricans are full U.S. citizens. All Puerto Rican medical schools are LCME accredited and are not "international" or "foreign" medical schools. Puerto Rican schools are "legit". Puerto Rican representatives in our Congress are non-voting members. Puerto Rico has its own governing bodies like a state might have and, likewise, its own laws, customs, etc. While the official languages of Puerto Rico are Spanish and English, the primary language of Puerto Rico is Spanish, including for matters related to education, healthcare, business, and law.


/discussion.

I would not consider the Texan movements for secession to be comparable to that of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is not a state and exists in a quasi-colonial relationship with the United States and has essentially no material vote in the national Congress. The rights given to California and Texas as states in the Constitution are not available to Puerto Rico. This is a fundamentally different relationship to the federal government of the U.S which, consequently, makes comparing Texan secession and Puerto Rican independence a category mistake. Being essentially different types of political entities means that declaring "independence" mean two very different things.

One important consequence of this manifests itself in PR's ongoing massive debt crisis. The U.S does not assume the debt of the Puerto Rico like it might the debt of any state. Further, PR's commonwealth status basically made it a tax shelter for a really long time (PR can issue debt tax free, so investors want to own that debt for obvious reasons). That means that most of Puerto Rico debt is held privately not publicly. Therefore, while PR obviously has to come out of this debt crisis somehow, there is no national public stake in their debt -- hence, the U.S federal government essentially not giving a crap about how much money PR does or does not owe. Unlike a state, PR is not protected by U.S. bankruptcy provisions.

The other problem is "national identity". In another post you readily admit that any Texan considers themselves an American and that state pride and national pride go hand-in-hand. After 12 years in Texas, I would agree with this assessment. However, Puerto Ricans have a separate national identity from the United States. They are "Americans" and "U.S citizens" yes, but in addition to that they are also "Puerto Ricans" in a much richer sense than a Floridian is a Floridian or even a Texan is a Texan. To use three trivial examples of how this national identity is separate from that of the rest of the U.S, Puerto Ricans speak Spanish primarily, exist in a modern colonial society as opposed to a fully autonomous member of a federalized republic, and are largely Roman Catholic instead of Protestant. None of this makes PR a separate country, to be sure, since that is a political definition but all of these factors and more make it so that one could argue that PR is its own nation with an identity more closely resembling that of the rest of the Caribbean than of the mainland U.S.
 
All I know about Puerto Rico is they have a major debt problem and can't declare bankruptcy because of a US law. That and the following post in Page 1 of this thread

Yes, both of those are true. The economy there sucks, so if you're trying to get a job, good luck. But we aren't talking about that. Also, crime is high in places, but having lived in New York for a few years, growing up in and around Philly and Camden, and frequenting Baltimore and D.C. (not to mention my brief periods in Chiraq), I can tell you that many med schools are in places with insane crime that can be easily avoided if you're smart, just as @Chelsea FC points out.

Probably the three most annoying things for a med student would be that it's more expensive (i.e., milk, etc), the traffic can be ****ty, and there are blackouts.
 
I would love to live in PR the school is like one block away from the beach, they have excellent rum and the PRicans I have met have been chill. JHU is not in the best part of the country, or Wayne.
 
I can't quite tell if the problem here is that Ponce is a in US territory, is in the Carib, or that people just think it would be absurd to move from Michigan to an Island (even though OP can speak the language)? Let's say that Ponce was in Hawaii and the options were it or MSU... Would people still be saying pick MSU?
 
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I think you are all crazy. The fact that some of you are recommending PR over a solid state-side DO school is outrageous to me. I just don't get it lol.

Very anecdotal but you will see similar things as this: My old PI went to PR for medical school, then UVA for IM, then the NIH for fellowship. Became a PI at UVA, UColorado, and now at a UC school. This pathway is near impossible choosing a DO school from the get go and it starts year one when you realize there is a lack of reesearch, mentoring, guidance, and strong clinical training that creates these barriers.


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Let's say that Ponce was in Hawaii and the options were it or MSU... Would people still be saying pick MSU?

The culture is very different between Hawaii and PR. Living in PR is essentially living in a Latin country. It's very different than the states. I still haven't given an opinion either way because it's up to OP if they can tolerate learning medicine in a totally different culture and language. I just think the people making it about MD and DO are completely neglecting the bigger picture. And I am generally someone who says USMD always, but the situation is different and not like comparing MSU and Central Michigan.
 
The culture is very different between Hawaii and PR. Living in PR is essentially living in a Latin country. It's very different than the states. I still haven't given an opinion either way because it's up to OP if they can tolerate learning medicine in a totally different culture and language. I just think the people making it about MD and DO are completely neglecting the bigger picture. And I am generally someone who says USMD always, but the situation is different and not like comparing MSU and Central Michigan.

Living in Miami is similar to living in a Latin country and no one seems to complain about living there (joking)
 
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