Originally posted by geneman [/i]
"I just want to say that everything you have been saying is skewed."
I've said three things:
1. HBCUs get no respect.
2. Many non-majority people in this country will never truly know discrimination.
3. Discrimination against ethnicity is on a different level than discrimination against physical appearence.
How is this skewed?
"1. I think you have a valid point in saying that numbers alone are not the best indicator of performance. But, like most reactionary arguments of this nature (e.g., feminism), the pendulum swings too far the other way.
Numbers DO have an incredible predictive power. During the World Wars, the Army used the IQ test (which is perhaps one of the crudest tests of all) to distribute men among varying positions -- and it was a resounding success. The reason this system works is because the objectivity of numbers far outweighs the inability to characterize humanistic qualities, which in themselves have major measurement flaws (e.g., some people are smooth-talkers but dumb as bricks)."
I agree with you hear Geneman. Numbers are important, but they only make up a small portion of the total student.
"2. Then why isn't Affirmative Action applied to those other affected ethnicities?"
I don't know. It is funny that whenever someone mentions AA, he first thing that comes to mind is a black person getting over on a white person, when in fact countless ethnicities have been afforded opportunities through specific AA programs.
"3. Physical qualities and ethnicities may be apples and oranges, but they are both fruits. In other words, discrimination is discriminaton is discrimination. One might argue that subtle prejudice is even worse than Nazi-eqse, because its hard to combat the less blatant. The original point of bringing in obese/ugly/disabled people was to argue that "they have it rough too" and, according to the standard affirmative action logic, should get some dividends as well."
Have you ever had a gun pulled on you by a police officer. I have. Now that was some shyt. And it was on some straight race crap. Discrimination, is discrimination, is discrimination is bullshyt. If i look back through history, I do not see one instance where fat people or ugly people are ostracized in ways that are comparable to ethnicities. Yet, one can recount thousands of events where people of different ethnicities were exiled, enslaved, tortured, and murdered. They may have it rough, but not on the level of some ethnicities
"Don't talk about something you know nothing about." Precisely my sentiments when I originally responded. How can you
have a "true opinion" that they are "tops" if you haven't "taken some classes" at other med schools? Usually, when you claim something extraordinary, such as saying that Howard and Meharry are the best teaching medical schools, you better support yourself with some convincing data. "Taking some classes" there and forming a "true opinion" doesn't count."
Well let's see. I never said they were the greatest, I said that they were up there with the way that they teach. But how would I know this? Well, my mother was an instructor at Howard. I have a friend who just graduated from Howard who is doing ortho at the Cleveland Clinic. I have several friends who are there now. I also have many classmates at Meharry as well. I also know as HBCUs, these schools have to strive harder because of peope like yourself who believe that they are somehow inferior. How many people do you know at Howard and Meharry? Maybe you can ask them if my opinion is right or wrong.
"My Segal quote is coming." Is that supposed to be some cryptic warning or something? Because I hope it does come. Meritocracy would do some good to our health care system."
So true, so true.