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LyraGardenia said:
One of my best friends from kindergarten through senior year of high school is getting married this month, and I'm not invited. Granted, we drifted apart when I moved away after high school, and I haven't seen or talked to her other than the occasional Facebook comment in almost 5 years, so I get it. I've never even met her fiancé. But I'm still sad, because growing up I always assumed I'd be one of her bridesmaids, and now I won't even be at her wedding. I think I'm just really bad at maintaining friendships, especially long-distance ones. I've already lost touch with most of my friends from college, and I only graduated 2 years ago. Hopefully I'll be able to make some good friends in vet school. If I were hypothetically getting married soon, I can think of maybe two people I'd want in my wedding party, and only one is female.
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I am the worst at maintaining friendships... I rarely talk to anyone from college or high school anymore. I always feel bad about that but at the same time, no one is really reaching out to me either, which I'm sure is because we're all just at such different stages of our lives. The friends from undergrad I talk to the most are the ones who went on to professional school and aren't married with kids and that's probably just because we've all been going through the same thing. I also I think my bit of depression senior year of college ruined some friendships and has made it harder to reconnect.
 
dyachei said:
It seems to be a problem with the younger crowd - the phone thing. They just dont get why it's a problem
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Yeah, they really don't seem to understand why it's a problem. There are a few assistants at work who are frequently sneaking into a corner or the break area to text, and it drives me nuts. All management really does is say "don't use your phones, guys!" during big staff meetings as a general reminder, and they never approach individual people about it or tell them to stop if they happen to catch them in the act. So the offenders just ignore it because there are zero real consequences. Meanwhile they're texting while clients are waiting to be seen or while the doctor is waiting for them to fill meds.

With this new person, it's more than just the phone thing but it really takes either a lot of cluelessness or big old brass ones to do this during your first two weeks after you've explicitly been told not to.

And what's doubly frustrating is that the one time when a doctor corrected her (on something quite minor that the doctor found a little annoying), she nearly panicked and wanted to talk to me about it at length. But when I tell her we do XYZ this way, it's like the porch light is on but nobody's home. Predictable, but come on, you're only shooting yourself in the foot, here.
 
pinkpuppy9 said:
In other news, PETA released a free PS4 downloadable game last fall, hadn't heard about it until now. Pure propaganda BS that sugarcoats violence towards those PETA targets. And really bad graphics.
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I had to look this up. Oh man :laugh:
 
SNTech said:
It's not like I'm out there with some sort of "SAVE THEM ALL!" flag being flown. I don't attend auctions or volunteer at rescues. But they find me hiding under my rock and say "This one is a good jumper if you can get him sound. Also he doesn't deserve to be fed to lions just yet, but his date with that destiny is next week. And there's another person who's going to look at him who will probably fall in love so you won't even have to take him." and I say "Fine, if it's me or the lions then drop him off at the clinic."

And apparently it was me or the lions. But I can give him some more rest time and see what happens.
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Update on lion horse:

In spite of living in a stall for most of his 7 years of life, he has decided to become anxious and attempt to destroy MY stall. In a dirt floor on gravel base he dug so far he managed to dig past the gravel and keep going. Then he tore strips off the plywood that lines the more expensive wooden door.

At the time I was repairing these things I was wondering why I didn't allow him to be fed to lions. And considering loading him on a trailer and taking him to the lion place myself.

Oh, and he has literally the worst case of thrush I've ever seen in the hoof on that same leg.
 
dyachei said:
It seems to be a problem with the younger crowd - the phone thing. They just dont get why it's a problem
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Eh, I'm part of "the young crowd," and I absolutely never have my phone on me in clinics, at work, etc. I don't even carry it when I'm on my horse, unless I'm alone but even in the case of an emergency I may not necessarily be able to dial 911... I dunno, a lot of my classmates (and old coworkers) are super into documenting every move so even if they're not texting, they're taking pictures of cute patients and stuff like that. I think they totally understand that it's a problem, we've had about 3 talks on NOT doing it over the last couple years but people just think they're above the rules.
 
Rwwilliams said:
Eh, I'm part of "the young crowd," and I absolutely never have my phone on me in clinics, at work, etc. I don't even carry it when I'm on my horse, unless I'm alone but even in the case of an emergency I may not necessarily be able to dial 911... I dunno, a lot of my classmates (and old coworkers) are super into documenting every move so even if they're not texting, they're taking pictures of cute patients and stuff like that. I think they totally understand that it's a problem, we've had about 3 talks on NOT doing it over the last couple years but people just think they're above the rules.
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yes, you are an exception to the generalization that I made. I've hired several people in their early twenties and even the best techs have this issue.
 
dyachei said:
yes, you are an exception to the generalization that I made. I've hired several people in their early twenties and even the best techs have this issue.
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Yeah, I guess my point was more that these people do understand that it's a problem -- at least in my experience. The biggest problem is they just don't care. It's really unfortunate too because we wind up having people that don't want to bring their pets to us and we miss out on these amazing learning opportunities because people hear "Don't take pictures of the sheep," and then make a picture of them with the sheep their profile picture on Facebook that is publicly viewable...
 
Rwwilliams said:
Yeah, I guess my point was more that these people do understand that it's a problem -- at least in my experience. The biggest problem is they just don't care. It's really unfortunate too because we wind up having people that don't want to bring their pets to us and we miss out on these amazing learning opportunities because people hear "Don't take pictures of the sheep," and then make a picture of them with the sheep their profile picture on Facebook that is publicly viewable...
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the ones I've talked to really and truly don't get why it's a problem. they are so used to being connected all the time.
 
dyachei said:
the ones I've talked to really and truly don't get why it's a problem. they are so used to being connected all the time.
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I'm the first time admit I love my phone... I'm on it right now, but I am at home so fair game 😉 But it definitely is something I'm trying to be more mindful of at work. It is my generation for sure (mid to late 1990's). We're SO connected that it's crazy. I have to delete my social media for a bit some days because I'll just get to feeling so invaded. I'm better with it than most because I didnt get my first cell phone until I was a teen and didn't have any social media until I was a junior in HS, but I do know how hard it can be to put the phone down somedays. Hopefully the younger techs get it together soon.
 
rockatiel said:
I'm the first time admit I love my phone... I'm on it right now, but I am at home so fair game 😉 But it definitely is something I'm trying to be more mindful of at work. It is my generation for sure (mid to late 1990's). We're SO connected that it's crazy. I have to delete my social media for a bit some days because I'll just get to feeling so invaded. I'm better with it than most because I didnt get my first cell phone until I was a teen and didn't have any social media until I was a junior in HS, but I do know how hard it can be to put the phone down somedays. Hopefully the younger techs get it together soon.
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I'm not sure it's just generational. It's probably true a higher percentage of 'younger' folks are unprofessional about their use in the workplace... I buy that...

But it's a pet peeve of mine when people pull out their cell phone in the exam room when I'm in the middle of talking to them ... it'll ring... they'll just pull it out and answer and start talking ... bad enough they do that, but then to do it without even so much as a "sorry, I have to take this"? I just want to punch people when they do that. Instead, I just tell them I'll come back when I get time and start to leave. About 50% of the time (since usually they've been waiting a while already) that gets a hasty "I'll call you back" and hang-up. The other 50% of the time they aren't quick enough. That group gets the penalty box and I go back in when I'm well and truly in the mood.

We even have "no cell phone use" signs in the exam rooms. Pretty sure I remember one doctor telling me that when someone does it to her, she picks up the sign, plants it down on the exam table, and leaves.

It's just so ... I dunno ... I guess I just can't wrap my head around it. I would *NEVER* in a million years do that to my doctor. I just plain can't understand why people think it's ok when I'm in the MIDDLE OF TALKING TO THEM about their pet's illness to pull out their cell phone to answer it.
 
LetItSnow said:
I'm not sure it's just generational. It's probably true a higher percentage of 'younger' folks are unprofessional about their use in the workplace... I buy that...

But it's a pet peeve of mine when people pull out their cell phone in the exam room when I'm in the middle of talking to them ... it'll ring... they'll just pull it out and answer and start talking ... bad enough they do that, but then to do it without even so much as a "sorry, I have to take this"? I just want to punch people when they do that. Instead, I just tell them I'll come back when I get time and start to leave. About 50% of the time (since usually they've been waiting a while already) that gets a hasty "I'll call you back" and hang-up. The other 50% of the time they aren't quick enough. That group gets the penalty box and I go back in when I'm well and truly in the mood.

We even have "no cell phone use" signs in the exam rooms. Pretty sure I remember one doctor telling me that when someone does it to her, she picks up the sign, plants it down on the exam table, and leaves.
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I've definitely done that when I was working as a tech. Walked into the room, person was on the phone, clearly had no intentions of hanging up. So just said that I'll come back later. Makes it even better when they start complaining later about what is taking so long...
 
Meh. I have my phone on me all the time. Or if I don't and it's in a locker or something, it doesn't really matter because it still pushes notifications to my watch. I'm pretty constantly connected - and it's how I enjoy being - but I'm also perfectly capable of silencing my notifications when I'm doing something where it is necessary.
 
LetItSnow said:
I'm not sure it's just generational. It's probably true a higher percentage of 'younger' folks are unprofessional about their use in the workplace... I buy that...

But it's a pet peeve of mine when people pull out their cell phone in the exam room when I'm in the middle of talking to them ... it'll ring... they'll just pull it out and answer and start talking ... bad enough they do that, but then to do it without even so much as a "sorry, I have to take this"? I just want to punch people when they do that. Instead, I just tell them I'll come back when I get time and start to leave. About 50% of the time (since usually they've been waiting a while already) that gets a hasty "I'll call you back" and hang-up. The other 50% of the time they aren't quick enough. That group gets the penalty box and I go back in when I'm well and truly in the mood.

We even have "no cell phone use" signs in the exam rooms. Pretty sure I remember one doctor telling me that when someone does it to her, she picks up the sign, plants it down on the exam table, and leaves.

It's just so ... I dunno ... I guess I just can't wrap my head around it. I would *NEVER* in a million years do that to my doctor. I just plain can't understand why people think it's ok when I'm in the MIDDLE OF TALKING TO THEM about their pet's illness to pull out their cell phone to answer it.
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This annoys the **** out of me. I've had a couple clients just sit there chatting on their phone when I'm trying to explain a treatment plan and get approval. Like I have time to stand there waiting 5 minutes for them to finish their conversation. We had a lady walk in on her phone, already late for her appointment, not acknowledge the receptionist until 3 minutes later, and then bitch about our late policy.
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I do have my phone on me pretty much at all times (though I usually leave it in the back when I'm going into an exam room or to talk to a client). I check it periodically out of habit because of being in a LDR for so long, but not when there's something I should be doing. So usually I don't actually respond to any messages I get unless we're really slow or its my lunch break. People don't realize how much time they waste when they're constantly checking and responding to things on their phone.
 
Personally, I've almost always got my phone on me but don't take it out unless I'm on lunch/break. Clients who whip theirs out and blab during appointments are the absolute worst, though, especially when they then complain about how long everything takes.
 
Just finished going through my "entrance counseling" for my projected student loans... Given the anticipated debt load I'll have upon graduation (which will actually be quite a bit less than many other vet/med students), the US Dept. of Education suggests that my minimum gross annual income be greater than or equal to $180,000. ****in seriously? :roflcopter:
 
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jcc3sa said:
Just finished going through my "entrance counseling" for my projected student loans... Given the anticipated debt load I'll have upon graduation (with will actually be quite a bit less than many other vet/med students), the US Dept. of Education suggests that my minimum gross annual income be greater than or equal to $180,000. ****in seriously? :roflcopter:
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No sweat. All you have to do is find two full-time jobs that pay $90k each.

So, like, if you work two full-time ER jobs for a total of 6 shifts/week at 14 hrs/shift .... no problem! Right?

Sigh.
 
LyraGardenia said:
One of my best friends from kindergarten through senior year of high school is getting married this month, and I'm not invited. Granted, we drifted apart when I moved away after high school, and I haven't seen or talked to her other than the occasional Facebook comment in almost 5 years, so I get it. I've never even met her fiancé. But I'm still sad, because growing up I always assumed I'd be one of her bridesmaids, and now I won't even be at her wedding. I think I'm just really bad at maintaining friendships, especially long-distance ones. I've already lost touch with most of my friends from college, and I only graduated 2 years ago. Hopefully I'll be able to make some good friends in vet school. If I were hypothetically getting married soon, I can think of maybe two people I'd want in my wedding party, and only one is female.
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I'm kind of the same way. Hopefully when you move here we can be friends 🙂
 
LetItSnow said:
No sweat. All you have to do is find two full-time jobs that pay $90k each.

So, like, if you work two full-time ER jobs for a total of 6 shifts/week at 14 hrs/shift .... no problem! Right?

Sigh.
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I mean if you are unable to work at least 100 hours/week you probably just shouldn't even be a vet. Right?
 
jcc3sa said:
Just finished going through my "entrance counseling" for my projected student loans... Given the anticipated debt load I'll have upon graduation (which will actually be quite a bit less than many other vet/med students), the US Dept. of Education suggests that my minimum gross annual income be greater than or equal to $180,000. ****in seriously? :roflcopter:
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I had several existential panic attacks in the process of both filling that out and after finishing. PLUS counseling is the same and I heard exit counseling is equally sobering.
 
I was just thinking about cell phones and how they contribute to massive unproductiveness as I left work tonight. It seems like every technician (lab manager included) besides me is ALWAYS on their cell phone. It’s gotten so bad that they don’t even try to hide it anymore. It is super frustrating! The lab manager is always complaining that she doesn’t have time to validate a new assay and I so want to say if you would just get off your phone you would have time! My phone is not even on me. It is on silent, in my purse, in a closed drawer and it stays there until I leave for the day. How hard is that? Work is paying you for WORK – not for texting, facebooking or whatever. Not to mention I am at least 3-5 years younger than everyone there too. So I don’t know if it is so much of a generation thing as a respect, self-discipline thing. I couldn’t fathom using my phone during work hours – or doing anything non-work related during work hours for that matter.
 
I keep my phone on me because I use it as a calculator and I can do things like calculate resting metabolic rates for clients that want to know how much to feed their dogs/cats.

I've told my techs I don't mind them using their phones when they aren't busy, but that means everything else is done. If you have time to FB with a friend, then all packs better be wrapped, all areas should be clean and ready to go, and no treatments need to be performed. However, they still don't get this. I also will allow them to make important calls before or after their lunch *if* we're not busy. But I've had techs making or taking phone calls when we are slammed and I've had to tell them to hang up.
 
rockatiel said:
I had several existential panic attacks in the process of both filling that out and after finishing. PLUS counseling is the same and I heard exit counseling is equally sobering.
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Thankfully I won't need to take out PLUS loans... To be honest I may have forgone vet school altogether if that had proven to be necessary. I suppose that I'm technically taking PLUS loans out, though, since my wife will need them for school, but I think it's a pretty good investment in her case since she's going the MD route. Suga-mama start up funding, I tell myself. 😀
 
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dyachei said:
I keep my phone on me because I use it as a calculator and I can do things like calculate resting metabolic rates for clients that want to know how much to feed their dogs/cats.

I've told my techs I don't mind them using their phones when they aren't busy, but that means everything else is done. If you have time to FB with a friend, then all packs better be wrapped, all areas should be clean and ready to go, and no treatments need to be performed. However, they still don't get this. I also will allow them to make important calls before or after their lunch *if* we're not busy. But I've had techs making or taking phone calls when we are slammed and I've had to tell them to hang up.
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This is why I always had my phone on me during clinics. Mainly to use as a calculator or quickly looking up a drug dosage or something from my notes. And for tracking down whatever clinician I needed if they happened to give me their personal number -- although this was more so with the residents and interns as it was an easier way for them to keep track of us all.
 
WildZoo said:
I do have my phone on me pretty much at all times (though I usually leave it in the back when I'm going into an exam room or to talk to a client). I check it periodically out of habit because of being in a LDR for so long, but not when there's something I should be doing. So usually I don't actually respond to any messages I get unless we're really slow or its my lunch break. People don't realize how much time they waste when they're constantly checking and responding to things on their phone.
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I hear you on this part. Since both BF and I are working during the summer, there are very specific times we each have to talk to each other. So my phone is on my all the time, so if I'm not too buys doing whatever pig thing, I can at least have a small conversation with him during his breaks.
 
orca2011 said:
This is why I always had my phone on me during clinics. Mainly to use as a calculator or quickly looking up a drug dosage or something from my notes. And for tracking down whatever clinician I needed if they happened to give me their personal number -- although this was more so with the residents and interns as it was an easier way for them to keep track of us all.
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This. We were told no phones during clinics but that was a giant laugh. Clinicians and residents asked for phone numbers at the start and their phone numbers were posted so we could call people if needed. It just made it so much easier. And I used my phone for similar things, looking up drugs/dosages/etc.
 
DVMDream said:
I've definitely done that when I was working as a tech. Walked into the room, person was on the phone, clearly had no intentions of hanging up. So just said that I'll come back later. Makes it even better when they start complaining later about what is taking so long...
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Man, I sometimes wish we could do this. At our hospital, this would get us a stern talking-to from the owner. I've done one too many TPRs and miscellaneous things like putting in charges in the exam room while waiting for an owner to get off the f-ing phone so I could ask them questions.

jcc3sa said:
Just finished going through my "entrance counseling" for my projected student loans...
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Seriously? I have heard absolutely nothing from financial aid, at all. In the system, it shows that they received everything and my application is complete, but other than that, it's just a bunch of crickets and tumbleweed.
 
ResoluteMike said:
I am grateful that the GRE is graded on a curve, cause otherwise my score would be really awful. Oh well, at least it is done.
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Did your score(s) get curved up? The first time I took the GRE, my Verbal score actually went DOWN two points from the unofficial (I had complained about it here before, haha). It doesn't seem like much, but it probably would've been at 90th+ percentile had the score remained the same, so it really ticked me off because I had no idea they could curve down as well as up. This time, my scores did not change.
 
I've worked jobs where we weren't given access to the office wifi, and it helped deter phone use to an extent (we also happened to be in a building with bad signal, so it worked). I think it's definitely a generational thing, but I've never had a problem following rules. Plus, my phone just heats up in my pocket.

LetItSnow said:
I'm not sure it's just generational. It's probably true a higher percentage of 'younger' folks are unprofessional about their use in the workplace... I buy that...
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Sometimes I feel like my generation is just getting more unprofessional in general.
 
Hah. Sometimes I leave my phone on my desk, but that's when I'll want it for something. I'm on it here and there. I don't worry about it too much. I'll call it a perk of being one of the doctors. As long as I don't manage to make the boss man angry... but his wife texts him all the time. So I think I'm okay.
 
I try fairly hard to not making judgments about whole generations. Tend to feel like good workers, no matter their age, are going to follow the rules and get their **** done, and not-so-good workers are going to find an excuse to get out of it somehow... whether that's constantly faceswapping/instagramming on their phone, taking excessive smoke breaks (something that drove me bonkers when I worked at Taco Bell), or just doing their job with the enthusiasm of a stoned sloth. :shrug:
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh.

Doh.

Cool. Now I can quit carrying my flashlight, too. Never thought of that.

Light source and reflex hammer all in one. Amazing devices, cell phones.

(Truth. I really do use it as my reflex hammer.)
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I used it to check PLRs on clinics fourth year. Never thought of using it as a reflex hammer, but makes sense. Just need something kind of "heavy" and to tap the right spot. Our neurologist used to say the only reflex that mattered (in which you would use a reflex hammer) is the patellar reflex. He never really concerned himself with any of the others.
 
We are not supposed to have our phones on our person while on the clock. But, there is a head tech who is constantly texting and taking personal phone calls. At least 5 personal calls per day that last 10-15 minutes not on her lunch break. It bothers the techs below her, but no one above her in management seems to care. So it annoys the **** out of me.


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DVMDream said:
I used it to check PLRs on clinics fourth year. Never thought of using it as a reflex hammer, but makes sense. Just need something kind of "heavy" and to tap the right spot. Our neurologist used to say the only reflex that mattered (in which you would use a reflex hammer) is the patellar reflex. He never really concerned himself with any of the others.
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I was told the same. If bicipital or something was missing, but it was the only thing missing you'd kind of go, "Huh. Okay," and then move on. Made it seem like all my in depth neuro exams were for naught 🙁
 
So my pediatrician's office can't tell me whether they have my records from well over 10 years ago unless I submit an authorization to release form, which will be processed "within 30 days." The current practice bought out the one I used to actually go to, and the current practice only keeps files for 7 years, but the medical records guy said the old practice's files might still be there. But I'm supposed to submit a form and potentially wait up to a month to hear what's likely going to be, "Sorry, we couldn't find anything." Why is it so impossible for them to just freaking look?

Yeah, nope. Ain't nobody got time for that. Guess I'm either having varicella titres checked or getting vaccinated.
 
I hate maggots... and people who don't care enough for their pets to realize that they're getting maggots.
When your dog is down for 3+ days, leaking urine all the while, perhaps a dog bed in your carport isn't the best place to house her.
 
chickenlittle said:
I hate maggots... and people who don't care enough for their pets to realize that they're getting maggots.
When your dog is down for 3+ days, leaking urine all the while, perhaps a dog bed in your carport isn't the best place to house her.
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Maggots 😵

I hate when dogs get such bad mats they have maggots too.
 
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I will be moving in exactly 4 weeks (moving into a new place that is), and I'm still no closer to finding a place to live. My parents were very against the house I was considering renting, so I've turned that down (for a few reasons). I have a few apartment complex prospects, I'm just really unexcited to potentially move into some place I'll be unhappy with. Ugh. This is the worst.
 
jmo1012 said:
I will be moving in exactly 4 weeks (moving into a new place that is), and I'm still no closer to finding a place to live. My parents were very against the house I was considering renting, so I've turned that down (for a few reasons). I have a few apartment complex prospects, I'm just really unexcited to potentially move into some place I'll be unhappy with. Ugh. This is the worst.
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I commiserate with this. The apartment I'm moving into (also in one month) is nice and all, but might be too expensive. However, it's the only apartment that's close to my budget that has an opening when I HAVE to be out of this place I'm at now
 
missdarjeeling said:
So my pediatrician's office can't tell me whether they have my records from well over 10 years ago unless I submit an authorization to release form, which will be processed "within 30 days." The current practice bought out the one I used to actually go to, and the current practice only keeps files for 7 years, but the medical records guy said the old practice's files might still be there. But I'm supposed to submit a form and potentially wait up to a month to hear what's likely going to be, "Sorry, we couldn't find anything." Why is it so impossible for them to just freaking look?

Yeah, nope. Ain't nobody got time for that. Guess I'm either having varicella titres checked or getting vaccinated.
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I went through something similar last year. The only vaccine records I had were for my most recent tetanus shot. I just had tigers done instead and I was good.
 
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