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battie said:
I do so regularly through my ER. I have never had someone come back to us at the hospital, and it's pretty obvious it was us. Many have gone to court successfully.

- the vast majority of a animal abuse laws are state level, so it depends on where you live. I'm a mandatory reporter in my state, so I'm legally obligated to report
- generally the rules of protection would be the laws that already exist (i.e assault is illegal) and reporter protections are tacked on charges as additions to those rules of protection
- for the cases I have reported, other charges were added such as the guy who nearly killed a dog (now recovered with my ex-practice manager), but was charged with spousal abuse of his girlfriend. Serving 4 years between the girlfriend and the dog.
- how would they know it's you? Generally people/strangers think of us (individuals) a lot less than we give them credit for
- you can always add fear of retribution to any report you make
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Have you found that reports and results typically coincide pretty quickly? Or like what kind of evidence is considered good enough to get people evicted/jailed? I’ve only seen the dog once, but i hear it yelping frequently enough that its not a one off this, its just not consistent. They do a lot of weed which is illegal in my state (texas) so thats something that could be added too.

As far as knowing it is me, ive reported them to the leasing office for marijuana indoors multiple times and they previously received violations. In response, they changed their wifi name to “the lady with the birds lying” which is very obviously me, since i have birds. So. They know its me, even though the office says they dont reveal who makes complaints, it aint hard to figure out. They havent done anything directly to me or my property, but it does make me nervous to keep escalating.

Im mostly concerned that they will break into my place and kill all my animals. Which may be a bit dramatic, but who’s to say with these people.

I think i will call the non emergency line to talk about options and mention fear of retribution like you said.
 
Has anyone had to finance adult orthodontic treatment? I was hopeful I could be done vet school and actually have an income before I had to deal with it, but it looks like it's either deal with it now, or deal with it and deal with the consequences of waiting later.

tldr, if you have kids, deal with their teeth while dental insurance is willing to cover it.
 
_rae_ said:
Has anyone had to finance adult orthodontic treatment? I was hopeful I could be done vet school and actually have an income before I had to deal with it, but it looks like it's either deal with it now, or deal with it and deal with the consequences of waiting later.

tldr, if you have kids, deal with their teeth while dental insurance is willing to cover it.
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I did. I think my insurance still covered some small portion of it at the time, but I largely paid out of pocket. I want to say the entire treatment plan ended up costing me around $7k, plus an additional $2k or so for orthopedic surgery. This was...2018-2021 maybe? I was on a payment plan with my orthodontist so just paid monthly over the course of that treatment period. I believe I paid for the surgical portion upfront though.

I had ceramic braces for 3 years and had 4 premolars extracted, for context.
 
WildZoo said:
I did. I think my insurance still covered some small portion of it at the time, but I largely paid out of pocket. I want to say the entire treatment plan ended up costing me around $7k, plus an additional $2k or so for orthopedic surgery. This was...2018-2021 maybe? I was on a payment plan with my orthodontist so just paid monthly over the course of that treatment period. I believe I paid for the surgical portion upfront though.

I had ceramic braces for 3 years and had 4 premolars extracted, for context.
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Oof I think I just threw up a little. I got quoted $5600 for Invisalign back in 2023 and the office offered me 0% interest if I did it through their office contract and broke it up into four payments of $1400 over the course of two years. I shouldn't need any teeth extracted but I also was a weirdo and had five wisdom teeth so who even knows.

I think I would do ceramics/traditional metal over invaslign. I think with how bad my bite is, they'll probably work a bit faster based on what I'm reading.
 
_rae_ said:
Oof I think I just threw up a little. I got quoted $5600 for Invisalign back in 2023 and the office offered me 0% interest if I did it through their office contract and broke it up into four payments of $1400 over the course of two years. I shouldn't need any teeth extracted but I also was a weirdo and had five wisdom teeth so who even knows.

I think I would do ceramics/traditional metal over invaslign. I think with how bad my bite is, they'll probably work a bit faster based on what I'm reading.
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Yes if you have any issues with your bite vs just teeth that are out of alignment I believe the traditional braces are still better/faster than Invisalign. I had some extra ~stuff~ required plus the ceramics are more expensive than metal so that's why mine was on the higher end.
 
WildZoo said:
Yes if you have any issues with your bite vs just teeth that are out of alignment I believe the traditional braces are still better/faster than Invisalign. I had some extra ~stuff~ required plus the ceramics are more expensive than metal so that's why mine was on the higher end.
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Open bite, cross bite, crowding; you name it: my teeth have it. I should've been a rabbit I have so much malocclusion.
 
_rae_ said:
Has anyone had to finance adult orthodontic treatment? I was hopeful I could be done vet school and actually have an income before I had to deal with it, but it looks like it's either deal with it now, or deal with it and deal with the consequences of waiting later.

tldr, if you have kids, deal with their teeth while dental insurance is willing to cover it.
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I had to have composites made, then have braces, then have a true crown and implant after I busted out two teeth at 20 years old. I should have had the braces sooner, but I didn't want them and my dad sided with me.

Overall, about half was covered with insurance by my gap year job. But all of that wouldve been 9-10k out of pocket. I ended paying about 3300 due to the timing. Again, I also did a low interest thing through the dentist office.

I will say, I am so glad I had braces as an adult. I was militant about them. I was supposed to have them for 18 months at a minimum and I was out of them in 10. I changed by rubber bands q 4hrs, didn't mess with them, took care of them. I over corrected my bottom braces even
 
kitzsuna said:
I think i will call the non emergency line to talk about options and mention fear of retribution like you said.
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I think in your circumstances, this is your best option.its probably unlikely they'd go to the extremes unless they're already criminals beyond the weed. But it's different living it vs talking about it on a forum.
 
battie said:
I will say, I am so glad I had braces as an adult. I was militant about them. I was supposed to have them for 18 months at a minimum and I was out of them in 10. I changed by rubber bands q 4hrs, didn't mess with them, took care of them.
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I will give up popcorn and caramel, two of my favorite foods, if it means I will be able to get out of braces even a week sooner.
 
_rae_ said:
Has anyone had to finance adult orthodontic treatment? I was hopeful I could be done vet school and actually have an income before I had to deal with it, but it looks like it's either deal with it now, or deal with it and deal with the consequences of waiting later.

tldr, if you have kids, deal with their teeth while dental insurance is willing to cover it.
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Yup! I got braces as soon as I got my first real job out of school that offered dental at 23-24yo and got them off at 26. I had 2 UPM and a LPM extracted (in lieu of jaw expansion surgery that would have been thousands extra) and standard metal braces for the full 2 years. It was well worth it!

Although my employer at the time had optional dental coverage that helped me qualify for treatment sooner, I learned while going through the process that private dental insurance isn't that much more expensive, the only difference is there is usually a waiting period (e.g. 9-12 months) for orthodontic and cosmetic/reconstructive procedures, which is long if you have an imminent issue but will save you if you can afford to wait. The double benefit to having insurance is they often have contracted rates with orthodontists which may make the total fee cheaper even if the percentage they cover isn't much.

(Eta: it was about 3.5k total out of pocket over 2 years, compared to the ~6.5k I would've paid. Plus a couple hundred for the extractions.
Some have interest free financing and will extend payments longer than the treatment period as well)
 
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Highly recommend seeing if any ortho offices in your area use OrthoFi. It’s a third party orthodontic financing company and allows you to completely customize your payments to make them more feasible and you can even extend it past treatment time, where in-house payment plans generally will not allow that. Most in-house payment plans require that you’re fully paid in before they’ll remove braces/remove the Invisalign buttons. I don’t think that the orthofi website has a provider search feature (which imo is dumb) but generally if they offer it, they’ll advertise that on their website. Maybe if you emailed OrthoFi they’d be able to give you info for anyone in your area that uses it but I have no idea 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
SkiOtter said:
Highly recommend seeing if any ortho offices in your area use OrthoFi. It’s a third party orthodontic financing company and allows you to completely customize your payments to make them more feasible and you can even extend it past treatment time, where in-house payment plans generally will not allow that. Most in-house payment plans require that you’re fully paid in before they’ll remove braces/remove the Invisalign buttons. I don’t think that the orthofi website has a provider search feature (which imo is dumb) but generally if they offer it, they’ll advertise that on their website. Maybe if you emailed OrthoFi they’d be able to give you info for anyone in your area that uses it but I have no idea 🤷🏻‍♀️
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This is actually really relieving to hear because one of the places I scheduled a consult uses this service.
 
I guess I’m feeling frustrated and don’t really have any personal outlets to talk about my feelings. This week I’ve gotten a rejection and waitlisted for two schools that’s don’t have an interview process. That being said I’ve gotten four interview offers. My concern is that maybe I won’t be good enough to get in despite some of the interviews offers i do have.
 
nickfb said:
I guess I’m feeling frustrated and don’t really have any personal outlets to talk about my feelings. This week I’ve gotten a rejection and waitlisted for two schools that’s don’t have an interview process. That being said I’ve gotten four interview offers. My concern is that maybe I won’t be good enough to get in despite some of the interviews offers i do have.
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I know that it doesn’t mean much coming from the other side but being waitlisted means they want you they just don’t have enough seats to offer. A good chunk of my class is off the waitlist and for some they never got an outright acceptance. Those people are still going to be phenomenal doctors.
 
_rae_ said:
Has anyone had to finance adult orthodontic treatment? I was hopeful I could be done vet school and actually have an income before I had to deal with it, but it looks like it's either deal with it now, or deal with it and deal with the consequences of waiting later.

tldr, if you have kids, deal with their teeth while dental insurance is willing to cover it.
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Haha I’m a pug. I need jaw surgery to expand my jaw and open my airway. $7-$10k. That’s what I spent on my first car.

I think second opinion time and then I have to make some choices.
 
nickfb said:
I guess I’m feeling frustrated and don’t really have any personal outlets to talk about my feelings. This week I’ve gotten a rejection and waitlisted for two schools that’s don’t have an interview process. That being said I’ve gotten four interview offers. My concern is that maybe I won’t be good enough to get in despite some of the interviews offers i do have.
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I started out on the waitlist for both of the schools I was accepted to last cycle! 2 waitlists and 4 interviews at this point is giving you pretty good odds tbh.
 
rejected for a third time from my IS/top choice. so tired of this especially when I followed their instructions on how to improve my application and said last time the only reason I didn’t get in was my GPA. really thought I would make it this time and still never made it past the initial cut
 
Doesn't make a ton of sense for the holiday death spike to hold true for zoos but man we've had too many chronic illness critters tip over the edge lately :/
 
I had a bad Thanksgiving and am trying not to also have a bad Christmas, but it's really hard. My brother went no-contact with my family and very bare minimum-contact with me, so it's the first holidays without him. 🙁 It's a very complex loss because there was a couple weeks where we thought he had died because he disappeared under mysterious circumstances in November. I told people he had been found safe after being missing for 2 weeks and they were like, "Yay, problem solved", but it's not 100% problem solved because he is not on speaking terms with his whole family except me and it's not like he talks to me much.

One of our cousins was hit and killed by a drunk driver in September. That cousin loved Christmas so much that his sister decorated his memorial service in October Christmas-themed, which I thought was a very sweet touch. However, Christmas always reminds me of him and it makes me sad now. 🙁
 
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Stressing about what I want to do with my career anymore. I've always had it in my head that I want to do exotics or feline GP, but I fear I've been bitten by the wildlife bug. Now I'm not sure what to do with my summer break. Go extern at the wildlife hospital I interned at, or get back into GP but probably have to work as an assistant? Bleh, idk anymore 😔

I know it's okay to not know what I 100% want to do as a 1st year,, I've been seeing a lot of family with it being the holidays and they keep asking me what kind of vet I'm going to be and it's getting to me lmaoo
 
Just when I thought this holiday couldn’t get worse: I fell and broke my foot (baby is ok)
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catsandsnakes said:
Stressing about what I want to do with my career anymore. I've always had it in my head that I want to do exotics or feline GP, but I fear I've been bitten by the wildlife bug. Now I'm not sure what to do with my summer break. Go extern at the wildlife hospital I interned at, or get back into GP but probably have to work as an assistant? Bleh, idk anymore 😔

I know it's okay to not know what I 100% want to do as a 1st year,, I've been seeing a lot of family with it being the holidays and they keep asking me what kind of vet I'm going to be and it's getting to me lmaoo
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Why not try both, if feasible? Summer between my second and third year I spent M-W working in the pathology lab and then Th-Sat I drove home to work at a rural mixed practice. Both were fun but I quickly decided I preferred pathology.
 
catsandsnakes said:
Stressing about what I want to do with my career anymore. I've always had it in my head that I want to do exotics or feline GP, but I fear I've been bitten by the wildlife bug. Now I'm not sure what to do with my summer break. Go extern at the wildlife hospital I interned at, or get back into GP but probably have to work as an assistant? Bleh, idk anymore 😔

I know it's okay to not know what I 100% want to do as a 1st year,, I've been seeing a lot of family with it being the holidays and they keep asking me what kind of vet I'm going to be and it's getting to me lmaoo
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I changed my mind completely from shelter med to IM the summer after my second year. You don’t have to know! Do whatever interests you most right now. You’ll gain clarity that way.
 
JaynaAli said:
Why not try both, if feasible? Summer between my second and third year I spent M-W working in the pathology lab and then Th-Sat I drove home to work at a rural mixed practice. Both were fun but I quickly decided I preferred pathology.
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I should look into it. Only issue is that the wildlife hospital is on an island and I'd have to work M-F. I guess I could spend half of my summer doing wildlife and the other half back home at a small animal clinic, but I'm worried I wouldn't get thorough enough of an experience to make up my mind 😅

Cursing my pre-vet self for only doing wildlife internships because "when will I get the chance to work with wildlife again"! I suppose I can always see wildlife pro-bono as a GP if I end up not wanting do to it full-time though.
 
catsandsnakes said:
I should look into it. Only issue is that the wildlife hospital is on an island and I'd have to work M-F. I guess I could spend half of my summer doing wildlife and the other half back home at a small animal clinic, but I'm worried I wouldn't get thorough enough of an experience to make up my mind 😅

Cursing my pre-vet self for only doing wildlife internships because "when will I get the chance to work with wildlife again"! I suppose I can always see wildlife pro-bono as a GP if I end up not wanting do to it full-time though.
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One of my mentors and now close friends is a GP small animal vet that does a ton of wildlife pro-bono work on the side. It’s definitely possible!
 
catsandsnakes said:
Stressing about what I want to do with my career anymore. I've always had it in my head that I want to do exotics or feline GP, but I fear I've been bitten by the wildlife bug. Now I'm not sure what to do with my summer break. Go extern at the wildlife hospital I interned at, or get back into GP but probably have to work as an assistant? Bleh, idk anymore 😔

I know it's okay to not know what I 100% want to do as a 1st year,, I've been seeing a lot of family with it being the holidays and they keep asking me what kind of vet I'm going to be and it's getting to me lmaoo
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catsandsnakes said:
Stressing about what I want to do with my career anymore. I've always had it in my head that I want to do exotics or feline GP, but I fear I've been bitten by the wildlife bug. Now I'm not sure what to do with my summer break. Go extern at the wildlife hospital I interned at, or get back into GP but probably have to work as an assistant? Bleh, idk anymore 😔

I know it's okay to not know what I 100% want to do as a 1st year,, I've been seeing a lot of family with it being the holidays and they keep asking me what kind of vet I'm going to be and it's getting to me lmaoo
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I have switched from Lab Animal to Radiology. Didn't even know Radiology was a thing I could specialize in until vet school and now I love it. I also have a professor who started in Large Animal, did a residency and then switched to small animal. 100% okay to not know even after you graduate.
 
catsandsnakes said:
I should look into it. Only issue is that the wildlife hospital is on an island and I'd have to work M-F. I guess I could spend half of my summer doing wildlife and the other half back home at a small animal clinic, but I'm worried I wouldn't get thorough enough of an experience to make up my mind 😅

Cursing my pre-vet self for only doing wildlife internships because "when will I get the chance to work with wildlife again"! I suppose I can always see wildlife pro-bono as a GP if I end up not wanting do to it full-time though.
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My usual vet for my birds rehabs raptors on the side, and tbh that sounds ideal for me. So it can definitely be done!
 
pp9 said:
This rant/saga continues 😒
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My very limited experience with kangaroos, which mainly consisted of me doing an ortho consult for Dubz on some rads, is that they're the worst.
 
supershorty said:
My very limited experience with kangaroos, which mainly consisted of me doing an ortho consult for Dubz on some rads, is that they're the worst.
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When you don't think it's crap, it actually is crap, you just don't know it yet.

And this was me ranting before I found out that I lost two overnight last night. Thought I was doing a good thing by establishing some minimal routine care in our mob (they hadn't been looked at in years and years) and addressing some chronic untreated dental issues....
 
catsandsnakes said:
Cursing my pre-vet self for only doing wildlife internships because "when will I get the chance to work with wildlife again"! I suppose I can always see wildlife pro-bono as a GP if I end up not wanting do to it full-time though.
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It is super valuable to have vets willing to see wildlife for general stabilization and immediate care before transferring them to rehabbers, especially if you're in an area where there isn't a dedicated wildlife clinic. The first GP I worked at as an assistant did that.
 
pp9 said:
When you don't think it's crap, it actually is crap, you just don't know it yet.

And this was me ranting before I found out that I lost two overnight last night. Thought I was doing a good thing by establishing some minimal routine care in our mob (they hadn't been looked at in years and years) and addressing some chronic untreated dental issues....
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Ugh that sucks, I'm sorry 🙁
 
pp9 said:
When you don't think it's crap, it actually is crap, you just don't know it yet.

And this was me ranting before I found out that I lost two overnight last night. Thought I was doing a good thing by establishing some minimal routine care in our mob (they hadn't been looked at in years and years) and addressing some chronic untreated dental issues....
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Okay, semi-vague update because I'm going through it - for all the prevets/vet students out there reading this and excited about being a vet, there will be times when your support staff make fatal errors and it all falls on you. All of it. Sometimes, your staff will make these errors twice in one day. No, you will NOT always catch these fatal errors, even if you're going into this thinking you'll be the best doctor in the world. Sometimes, you only catch them by luck like I did just now. You can prepare, double check, triple check all you want, but if someone pulls up the wrong volume of a sensitive med and gives it, all of that goes out the window.

At least I have an answer, but now the 'fun' part of explaining what happened to the keepers, and explaining what happened to the tech involved who will be devastated.

Why didn't I go into accounting or something?
 
pp9 said:
Okay, semi-vague update because I'm going through it - for all the prevets/vet students out there reading this and excited about being a vet, there will be times when your support staff make fatal errors and it all falls on you. All of it. Sometimes, your staff will make these errors twice in one day. No, you will NOT always catch these fatal errors, even if you're going into this thinking you'll be the best doctor in the world. Sometimes, you only catch them by luck like I did just now. You can prepare, double check, triple check all you want, but if someone pulls up the wrong volume of a sensitive med and gives it, all of that goes out the window.

At least I have an answer, but now the 'fun' part of explaining what happened to the keepers, and explaining what happened to the tech involved who will be devastated.

Why didn't I go into accounting or something?
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Hugs🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
 
Does anyone have any experience with working for the FSIS post-graduation in return for significant tuition help? I'm out-of-state tuition and this feels like one of the only ways I could relieve my debt load enough to actually work within large animal medicine. Not that I'll even be chosen for it but if anyone has any two cents on it I'd love to hear.
 
_rae_ said:
Had it in September and now have PI-IBS.

May Santa bring you Zofran, electrolytes, and toilet paper 😬
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Thankfully I brought Zofran with me to my family’s house because we all needed it yesterday 🫠 I’m often times a nauseous girly because of my POTS and vasovagal syncope so I try to always travel with some but I wish I had brought m o r e so we didn’t feel like we had to ration it 😂😂😂 sent my sisters fiancé out for pedialyte yesterday morning since he had still been feeling fine at that time 😂
 
SkiOtter said:
Santa brought my family Norovirus for Christmas. 0/10.
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Oh hey, my sister and her entire family had that last week. She also rated it 0/10.

Hopefully you all get over it more quickly and with less severe stomach cramping than my family did.
 
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