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It’s been hard having a brother who wants to join ICE because of the signing bonus. I cried to my boyfriend last night explaining that I don’t know how to have that relationship with my brother if he actually gets accepted. Because it is sickening to me knowing what they do and how the administration is handling everything.

My boyfriend tried to point out that my brother is physically unfit and likely wouldn’t be accepted. Yet the idea of my brother being responsible to hold gun scares.
I hate to say this, but even the fact that he would consider joining is a red flag. I'm so sorry.

I don't know how to go forward entrenched in my vet school life when all I want to do is get out of this horrible country as it goes down the toilet and good people suffer day in and day out while the vile excuses for human beings torture everyone.
 
Not really a rant but a reminder to advocate for your health and find doctors that are willing to look at possibilities and be willing to send you to referrals just to double check.

Been going to some specialists this year cause i feel like i’ve been more fatigued than normal. So far i appear to be in perfect health, and it may in fact be stress as the culprit afterall haha. BUT i did do my first colonoscopy today at the ripe age of 32 cause i have a family history, and they did find a precancerous polyp. The dr said colon cancer is on the rise in young people and if you have a family history of cancer, it’s worth it to get checked out and taken care of.
 
BUT HAVENT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HER???
imo I think a chunk of those people just don't care because they see her as someone from 'the other side' so her death is acceptable and she should have 'complied'/she shouldn't have been there/etc etc etc. The other chunk is currently radio silent because they are short circuiting as she was a white woman and they didn't think white people were ever going to be in any danger. Even one of my previous techs, who never misses an opportunity to declare her views, who would crawl up Trump's dingus (ETA: I had a choice word here but SDN changed it do 'dingus' lolol) if she could, hasn't said a peep about this because I think she is experiencing cognitive dissonance.

Seeing a lottttt of people really trying to push the narrative that she tried to run him over, but the shooter's own footage shows her cranking her wheel to avoid him and just get away. Which is exactly what *I* would have done, too. Sitting in my car calmly observing/not blocking anything and some ****ing lunatic tries to open my door? And I've got family in the car? yeah I'm pulling away. That's before you even bring up that both the shooter and the guy who tried to open her door were (from what I understand) in the legal wrong. Or broke a published code. or something. 1. You can't shoot at someone actively driving a vehicle 2. ICE has no authority to do anything to someone that they don't already suspect is here illegally.

#2 is why it's all so crazy, because it's my understanding they are doing a whole lot to people only to find out later that they were citizens or here legally. Surely we will soon see one of the biggest civil rights lawsuits this planet will ever see?
 
I also want to say here that UMN, while bound by being a state university and historically not the best with this stuff, has simply told us to “remain calm here are your rights”. Which I guess is better than nothing? It’s also infuriating because remaining calm is no longer working.

I do actually try very hard to keep current events off of here because a) it’s nice to have a space to avoid that and b) if I don’t want to listen to someone else’s side of things I really don’t want to give them an opening to talk about it but I’m DONE. I’m here. It’s five minutes from my home. They were on my street the other night.
 
I also want to say here that UMN, while bound by being a state university and historically not the best with this stuff, has simply told us to “remain calm here are your rights”. Which I guess is better than nothing? It’s also infuriating because remaining calm is no longer working.

I do actually try very hard to keep current events off of here because a) it’s nice to have a space to avoid that and b) if I don’t want to listen to someone else’s side of things I really don’t want to give them an opening to talk about it but I’m DONE. I’m here. It’s five minutes from my home. They were on my street the other night.
I'm gonna be honest as someone who doesn't know what's going on unless there is a major headline...I didn't even know why they were in Minneapolis until I looked it up. I mean I assume they are just going to hit every metro area at this point
 
I hate the ICE stuff more than anything. I live in a major city in Texas and our mayor is totally cooperating with ICE. It doesn't make the news because it's a conservative state, but tons of people have been deported from Houston.

We went driving by the border for a trip and were nervous because my partner is Hispanic. We looked up the names of lawyers and brought his social security card and naturalization certficate with us. It was actually worse in 2024 when they took us out of the car and (gently) questioned him. in 2025 they let us drive through the checkpoint. Naybe the guys who work the border are long-time employees and aren't as crazy.

Before Trump got elected I read the news every day and now I've just stopped. It's exhausting reading about all the terrible things happening, and people ask me why I support the democratic party... I don't! I was taught in elementary school that being a bystander is just as bad as being the bully, and that's what most democratic politicians are.

All the vets I've interacted with in real life have been pretty conservative, and I'm a little nervous about finding a culture fit in a future clinic because being around that drains me.
 
I mean I assume they are just going to hit every metro area at this point
I do too. I keep wondering what would have happened if I had accepted my seat at Tufts and just stayed in Boston. I think it would simply delay the feelings I’m currently having to whenever they made Boston their next target.
 
Before Trump got elected I read the news every day and now I've just stopped. It's exhausting reading about all the terrible things happening,
We as human beings are not designed for the constant stream of trauma the 24-hour news cycle throws at us. I usually do a weekly round up on the highlights and frequently find myself feeling uninformed but it’s too much with school and just trying to survive.
 
We went driving by the border for a trip and were nervous because my partner is Hispanic. We looked up the names of lawyers and brought his social security card and naturalization certficate with us. It was actually worse in 2024 when they took us out of the car and (gently) questioned him. in 2025 they let us drive through the checkpoint. Naybe the guys who work the border are long-time employees and aren't as crazy.
I live exceptionally close to a different border and our international externs (most often from Mexico and Brazil) have often made trips over on their weekends. We've advised they stop doing that, or they've been to scared to do it on their own accord recently.

ICE is definitely here where I am, we just haven't had any major 'events' hit the news like Chicago and Minneapolis have. I do know they have taken students out of schools in the middle of the day already though.
All the vets I've interacted with in real life have been pretty conservative, and I'm a little nervous about finding a culture fit in a future clinic because being around that drains me.
With you being in Texas I guess that's not surprising...I was a little worried when I was in Tampa but conservatives were absolutely the minority in the hospitals I was at. Your answer might be to leave Texas tbh
 
Which is exactly what *I* would have done, too. Sitting in my car calmly observing/not blocking anything and some ****ing lunatic tries to open my door? And I've got family in the car? yeah I'm pulling away. That's before you even bring up that both the shooter and the guy who tried to open her door were (from what I understand) in the legal wrong.

#2 is why it's all so crazy, because it's my understanding they are doing a whole lot to people only to find out later that they were citizens or here legally. Surely we will soon see one of the biggest civil rights lawsuits this planet will ever see?
i have multiple thoughts here so i apologize if this is a long response.

- the fact this guy is getting FULL FLEDGED IMMUNITY FOR MURDER, should send people who are “apolitical” or die-hard for this administration into a spiral. but no, it won’t. instagram (thanks lizard-berg) started non-stop suggesting the videos and posts to me when i was just trying to watch dumb videos of lion seals doing their silly little dance. somehow, a post from the opposite view on the situation was suggested to me…and the comments i read made me weep. i was inconsolable. how can you say something so heinous with your chest? not to mention the insane amount of homophobia spouted there.
- many people were appalled that CK’s incident happened “in front of the family” but this woman’s partner was there, and THERE WAS A DOG IN THE CAR !!!! in the backseat there was a dog !!! doesn’t it make you think…that someone would not use their car to cause harm onto another person when there is an animal sitting in the backseat????? that could also be severely harmed???
- this isn’t the first death on their hands. there should have been uproar from the first one because there should have NEVER been a first one.

i feel like if i keep going, it will alert the non-vet SDN folks who already have (a very lengthy might i add) discussion about it on one of the other forums and i don’t want to bring that over to our page.
 
We as human beings are not designed for the constant stream of trauma the 24-hour news cycle throws at us. I usually do a weekly round up on the highlights and frequently find myself feeling uninformed but it’s too much with school and just trying to survive.
i find myself often doomscrolling when major news like this hits. its just one post after another and it goes on for weeks until finally the social media “gods” give me a break and return me to my normal algorithm of golden reel pulls and sea lion videos.

i definitely want to stay educated and aware of what’s going on around the world and in my area, but it’s so exhausting and feels so defeating at times
 
All the vets I've interacted with in real life have been pretty conservative, and I'm a little nervous about finding a culture fit in a future clinic because being around that drains me.
i’ve had the opposite experience and didn’t realize just how many felt that way until the BBB passed and it was all over the DFV and APVMA fb pages. especially any post that talks about forgiveness of loans too.
 
I hate the ICE stuff more than anything. I live in a major city in Texas and our mayor is totally cooperating with ICE. It doesn't make the news because it's a conservative state, but tons of people have been deported from Houston.

We went driving by the border for a trip and were nervous because my partner is Hispanic. We looked up the names of lawyers and brought his social security card and naturalization certficate with us. It was actually worse in 2024 when they took us out of the car and (gently) questioned him. in 2025 they let us drive through the checkpoint. Naybe the guys who work the border are long-time employees and aren't as crazy.

Before Trump got elected I read the news every day and now I've just stopped. It's exhausting reading about all the terrible things happening, and people ask me why I support the democratic party... I don't! I was taught in elementary school that being a bystander is just as bad as being the bully, and that's what most democratic politicians are.

All the vets I've interacted with in real life have been pretty conservative, and I'm a little nervous about finding a culture fit in a future clinic because being around that drains me.
Houston is far more blue than CStat... And it stresses me out being in this state too. I will say there is a small blue bubble at the vet school to hold on to.
I do too. I keep wondering what would have happened if I had accepted my seat at Tufts and just stayed in Boston. I think it would simply delay the feelings I’m currently having to whenever they made Boston their next target.
They're targeting all major metro areas, it's just the more liberal ones that are getting the media because of Mango Mussolini from TEMU trying to find an excuse to declare martial law.
With you being in Texas I guess that's not surprising...I was a little worried when I was in Tampa but conservatives were absolutely the minority in the hospitals I was at. Your answer might be to leave Texas tbh
I have a countdown going for myself to get out of here.
 
Houston is far more blue than CStat... And it stresses me out being in this state too. I will say there is a small blue bubble at the vet school to hold on to.

They're targeting all major metro areas, it's just the more liberal ones that are getting the media because of Mango Mussolini from TEMU trying to find an excuse to declare martial law.

I have a countdown going for myself to get out of here.
I know. Houston is supposed to be blue, but Whitmire is a trash mayor and just another bystander.

I mused to live in MA and some of the large animal vets I worked with were still conservative.
 
I know. Houston is supposed to be blue, but Whitmire is a trash mayor and just another bystander.

I mused to live in MA and some of the large animal vets I worked with were still conservative.
It's blue relative to other areas of TX, non-metro areas, and is at least a diverse city. I feel your pain though.
 
Politics and news are a daily thing for me, but **in particular** not via social media. I also actively choose to have liberal to conservative chooses to read and listen to. However, I don't go as far as the Amicus Brief podcast and all my conservative stuff is Never Trump. Just the frame of reference where my info/opinion comes from.

Naybe the guys who work the border are long-time employees and aren't as crazy.

It's actually a completely separate department and they are only supposed to operate within 50-100 miles of the border. Most of these agents have been in the department for years and is arguably the department that actually needs the ICE funds from the OBBB because they truly do not have the man power (agents or judges) or facilities to manage human interactions on their levels. Particularly with humanitarian crises where people are just trying to escape their home country situation.

i feel like if i keep going, it will alert the non-vet SDN folks who already have (a very lengthy might i add) discussion about it on one of the other forums and i don’t want to bring that over to our page.

I hang out in the SPF and this is chicken feed discussion compared to over there. I don't think they'll come here since we have a pretty robust discussion there.

If you're talking anesthesia sub forum..... I'd like to say they'll stay in their bubble. But who knows. They wonder over to SPF from time to time, but most slink away from the group push back they get and settle back into anesthesia forums again.

mused to live in MA and some of the large animal vets I worked with were still conservative.

Rural is rural, regardless of state. Illinois seems super blue, but that's because of Chicago. If Chicago was part of Indiana as an example, Illinois would be very red.

I have very conservative family and friends and take in a lot of conservative media (though again, the media outlets are never trump). There is a shift absolutely happening right now within the GOP. From high profile fights like MTG leaving Congress, to Indiana Republicans refusing to redistrict, to my grandparents (life long Republicans that voted trump 3 times), a party fracture is happening. How dramatic it will be depends on what happens with 1) Trump's health and any fall out from infirmity, death, or a 25th amendment (unlikely) situation; 2) the impending recession if the AI bubble bursts; 3) war with Venezuela and the congressional response; 4) etc. cause there's just a lot going on.

I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT NEWS FROM SOCIAL MEDIA SITES IS A BAD IDEA AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE PEOPLE OF ALL POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS CANNOT BELIEVE A DAMN WORD FROM ANY SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. By definition they get money from ad revenue for this so they are motivated to get you to click due to shock value. STOP GETTING NEWS FROM SOCIAL MEDIA
 
I know. Houston is supposed to be blue, but Whitmire is a trash mayor and just another bystander.

I mused to live in MA and some of the large animal vets I worked with were still conservative.
LA vets being conservative and thus against loan forgiveness drive me mad. I would 100% go LA if it were not for debt load. Farmers can b*tch about it all they want but the ways they vote directly inhibits young LA vets from being able to fulfill those roles so I guess they can be stuck in a LA vet care desert indefinitely.
Literally the only way I can go LA is doing a food animal position with the gov in exchange for tuition coverage but I’m not even sure if that will happen, and working for the gov rn leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
if I see a red cap in the fall, it’s on sight. Like go back to the Hicktown where you came from

EDIT: I meant this as I would likely get into heated argument(s) with them over their anti-science (and other) beliefs. I never have or will get physical with someone. I have been fortunate to not have any Trump supporters in my personal/work life, but either way I don't think a pet's care should be affected bc of other people's (misguided) political beliefs
 
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How any vet can support the BBB is beyond me

I'm now of split opinions now that we're coming down to the wire here. The podiatry and dentistry forums have some discussions going on, particularly the pre-dental forum. For context, dentistry got jacked some decades ago with a significant number of schools closing due to the dentistry economy basically collapsing between high dentist numbers, low salaries, and some tom foolery (very superficial take there, didn't do a deep dive myself).

Short term take: it was a bad move. For the next 5yrs at a minimum, if not longer, nearly an entire generation of professionals will not be able to go to school. Full stop. And that will suck on the micro-economic level of the applicants and their families directly. On the back end, as graduate numbers start to drop, all professional professions will see higher demand for "care" (medical vs research vs law, etc) with a low supply of providers. That sucks for patients too. Likewise, because folks like us and lawyers aren't backed by insurance that messes with the finances and we're basically a luxury service industry that relies on supply and demand, we are very likely to see salaries rise for the vets and techs currently in the industry as of class of 2028 for vets and 2027 for techs (assuming an associates vs a bachelor's).

Long term take: maybe good?? 😬 So hard to say. Cause I do not in any way agree with the increased class sizes, increased number of private for profit schools, and development of alternative providers. So when the money dries up, the first thing that will happen is private companies halting building schools that aren't fully put together and closing low profit options. These are some of the most expensive schools out there across all professional degrees. Over in dentistry, they're basically putting down bets on which schools start to close first.

Regardless of if this bill passed or failed, higher education could not have continued as it is at all levels. An associate's degree should not cost 40k, which is the cost of a local, prestigious vet tech school is. My bachelor's degree cost 40k total with room and board before my scholarships.

I don't have an answer as to the fix cause it'll be hard to fix. This is a hard reset that very well might screw up so many professions.

if I see a red cap in the fall, it’s on sight. Like go back to the Hicktown where you came from

Quite a few conservatives here in Aurora, CO.

Real. Unfortunately i don’t think any or the schools i applied to are in super blue areas though 🫠

It needs to be blue enough tbh. I lived in a very small (~5000 people) town in undergrad and we had a very active LGBTQ club. Very different times (210-2016; sad 10 years ago is considered different times), but the town was open enough that we had a public drag show without issues
 
Short term take: it was a bad move. For the next 5yrs at a minimum, if not longer, nearly an entire generation of professionals will not be able to go to school. Full stop. And that will suck on the micro-economic level of the applicants and their families directly. On the back end, as graduate numbers start to drop, all professional professions will see higher demand for "care" (medical vs research vs law, etc) with a low supply of providers. That sucks for patients too. Likewise, because folks like us and lawyers aren't backed by insurance that messes with the finances and we're basically a luxury service industry that relies on supply and demand, we are very likely to see salaries rise for the vets and techs currently in the industry as of class of 2028 for vets and 2027 for techs (assuming an associates vs a bachelor's).

Long term take: maybe good?? 😬 So hard to say. Cause I do not in any way agree with the increased class sizes, increased number of private for profit schools, and development of alternative providers. So when the money dries up, the first thing that will happen is private companies halting building schools that aren't fully put together and closing low profit options. These are some of the most expensive schools out there across all professional degrees. Over in dentistry, they're basically putting down bets on which schools start to close first.

Regardless of if this bill passed or failed, higher education could not have continued as it is at all levels. An associate's degree should not cost 40k, which is the cost of a local, prestigious vet tech school is. My bachelor's degree cost 40k total with room and board before my scholarships.
I agree with the take that runaway tuition costs are heavily to blame for the debt and loan situation that lead to this. It was just a matter of time before something radical resulted.
I have to wonder though if we actually will see a reduction in enrollment; this year so far it seems we've had record vet school applications just as previous years. Granted the bill wasn't enacted yet when those applications were started, so I'll be interested to see if they drop off next year considering how many students aren't even thinking about cost, loan sources, or repayment ability until after they're locked in.

My fear is that in the same way we already saw higher ed institutions (not vet schools specifically) increasing tuition costs in response to reduced undergraduate enrollment during covid, that vet schools will similarly continue to increase costs and continue to be filled by students taking on excessive predatory loans and worrying about it later.

It needs to be blue enough tbh. I lived in a very small (~5000 people) town in undergrad and we had a very active LGBTQ club. Very different times (210-2016; sad 10 years ago is considered different times), but the town was open enough that we had a public drag show without issues
As someone who has been cursed to be a blue dot in red states my whole life, I have to say the silver lining at least is that the queer communities are much closer because we have to be 😅. Similarly, progressives who live and stay in Hicktown, USA (e.g. my hometown lol) tend to be more active in our communities and committed to improving them. Still sucks when state and local politics try to make your life hell, though 🥲
 
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I think there will definitely be some students who cannot pursue vet med just because they’re not able to qualify for private loans, especially among those from low income and minority backgrounds. And that will be bad for diversity in an already not very diverse field. But I don’t think it will deter (mostly middle to upper class white) students in the short term, at least not as much as it should. Too many prevets have a starry-eyed view and feel it’s their “calling” and will pursue it without truly considering or realizing the long term implications of taking out private loans and what that repayment looks like. And it’s hard to see that far ahead when you’ve never had bills and a salary and all that before, but they also don’t listen when we warn them of realities or concerns. I bet places can fill classes but I’d be interested in seeing if there’s increased attrition just because people can’t afford it or find funding as they progress. Which would absolutely stink because then you have the debt and no degree to put to use. So many students here on SDN and especially other sites like fb and Reddit seem to apply and only after that try to figure out realities of how they’re going to pay for it, which just got even more difficult with the BBB.

I do think this may slow down new school expansion, but I think that’s going to take 5+ years too…nothing in academia happens fast and I think schools may take a wait and see approach, though hopefully it does slow tuition rises in the meantime. Vet med as a whole relies so heavily on income based repayment for things to be feasible and I really worry how those with private loans will fare. We make good money as a profession, but it goes fast especially with other costs of living rising as well.

Something needed to change, but I worry about prospective students and am glad I am the age I am.
 
The amount of people who do not think about finances at all is astonishing to me. I had a whole spreadsheet when I applied that detailed how much it would probably cost me to go and I don't even spend the max amounts allowed for rent, transportation, etc because I have a partner who can subsidize a portion of my living expenses even though he is holding down the fort at home too. But I also am older and have had to budget for over a decade before this, so this was not an issue for me. We also met with a financial advisor who walked us through how to handle my loans and what to take out to pay for school and maximize our money for our future goals. I really think there should be some sort of huge red sticker on all school sites that talks about how much 400-500k really is (some of my classmates will have this much in debt when they leave) and how much you have to pay each month at 7-9% interest rates to pay that back..... I truly do not think people realize that it will be their entire big doctor salary. We joke in my class that those of us who will do okay after graduation are the ones who went down the veterinarian and engineer marriage pipeline. Because then you will have a good duel income household to be able to pay down your loans in a good amount of time while also not having to put your entire life on hold to do it.
 
I hate knowing that a email is coming today but not knowing what time it’s coming

Update. It’s not coming anymore today 🙃
 
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just because they’re not able to qualify for private loans, especially among those from low income and minority background

My jaded self doesn't even think accessible private loans will happen. In the pre-dental forum, a dentist brought up the good point that as the debt to income ratio rises with each subsequent loan per semester a student takes out, their interest will either rise or they simply won't be able to access a loan. And so private companies and banks looking at how much vet school costs and what the average salary is, they very well might not make loans accessible on purpose because they know they won't ever see that money. I think even the average middle class applicant will be able to get a loan cause I'm anticipating 12% +
 
How any vet can support the BBB is beyond me
Plenty of older vets with minimal or no debt, or younger vets that were/are able to pay OOP for tuition, who absolutely have the 'pay back what you owe, it was your choice' mindset. I see it fairly often in the various DVM Facebook groups.
if I see a red cap in the fall, it’s on sight. Like go back to the Hicktown where you came from
Starting this by saying I'm 1000000% liberal. But you can't threaten (or insinuate, I guess) someone for wearing a MAGA hat unless you're okay with the same happening to you for wearing an Obama/Biden/Kamala/whoever hat. And most people are not going to be okay with that. I fully get that the implication of voting for/supporting Trump in the present day is very different but at the end of the day, civility is pretty important and if you get in, you're stuck in a room with these people for years. Idk. A school is not the place to be saying 'I don't like your hat so it's on sight' imo. Also don't forget that this would probably risk you getting disciplinary action

Not to mention private loans depend on having good credit and most 22-26 year old don't have that. I know that is already an issue with the GRAD PLUS loans. If you have bad credit they can deny you
I had a parent cosign my one private loan and I think that's why my interest rate was so low? This was back in 2015 so super old times, but still. It was a Discover student loan though. If it's a private student loan, they are fairly predatory so I assumed they'd sign just about anyone
 
If it's a private student loan, they are fairly predatory so I assumed they'd sign just about anyone

I think it depends on who ends up offering these. Since they may become far more common, real banks outside of Mae and Mac may off them. In those cases, I think they're likely to be more protectionist and either offer with a really high interest rate or require a co signer. A co signer for 100k+ over time seems risky tbh. My parents wouldn't have (and probably couldn't have) done it.

civility is pretty important

Going to re-emphasize this. Particularly since a lot more minority groups did go for Trump with the 2024 election being the most diverse Republican coalition of all time. His numbers are absolutely tanking, to be sure. But the minute we as a populace start to completely disregard the nuance that is the human individual, we're cooked. It's really what got us here in the first place.
 
Starting this by saying I'm 1000000% liberal. But you can't threaten (or insinuate, I guess) someone for wearing a MAGA hat unless you're okay with the same happening to you for wearing an Obama/Biden/Kamala/whoever hat. And most people are not going to be okay with that. I fully get that the implication of voting for/supporting Trump in the present day is very different but at the end of the day, civility is pretty important and if you get in, you're stuck in a room with these people for years. Idk. A school is not the place to be saying 'I don't like your hat so it's on sight' imo. Also don't forget that this would probably risk you getting disciplinary action
OP had posted they had an interview for a dual degree at a school…that school held the CK memorial back in september. I left campus while hundreds of people with the “red hats” walked in. Despite being in a predominantly blue state, they are everywhere. Doesn’t matter how blue or red you think the location of the school is, people from all walks of life and all sorts of backgrounds are there.
 
I’m still waiting to hear back but the ones at the top of my list are in blue counties/states
You may not have the liberty of choosing your top— so you need to be prepared to coexist and collaborate with your classmates who may not share similar views as you for the next 4+ years.
 
You may not have the liberty of choosing your top— so you need to be prepared to coexist and collaborate with your classmates who may not share similar views as you for the next 4+ years.
Very much this.

Signed, someone who has been assigned groups with someone who thinks my marriage is invalid and my spouse is mentally ill. I don't have to be nice and I don't have to be friendly, but if you're going to succeed in school and then in life you can't just be spouting off at people.
 
I think a lot of the people opposed to loan forgiveness don’t really understand how much people are actually repaying before forgiveness occurs. They don’t realize that most people have repaid at least most if not more than their initial balance purely in interest, it was just never enough to actually pay down the actual balance. When I pointed out to my parents that most vets do still pay back hundreds of thousands even if they get forgiveness in the end, they started to look at it differently. They’ll still say people should pay back what they borrowed, but they now realize that people ARE paying back the amount they actually borrowed or usually close to it, but the interest is so crazy you can’t make progress paying off principal.
 
personally my school list was almost entirely dictated by where I would be safe and not denied medical care. the fact providers can say no to treating me based off my gender is so terrifying. i've had to accept that there are schools i would have a much better chance at are unsafe for me, and if I don't get in this cycle i'll just have to give up and stay in the state I am safe in with a new career path.
 
You may not have the liberty of choosing your top— so you need to be prepared to coexist and collaborate with your classmates who may not share similar views as you for the next 4+ years.
Very much this.

Signed, someone who has been assigned groups with someone who thinks my marriage is invalid and my spouse is mentally ill. I don't have to be nice and I don't have to be friendly, but if you're going to succeed in school and then in life you can't just be spouting off at people.
Agree 100% and would also add that as a vet, your clients and often coworkers are also going to come in with a variety of questionable opinions, political and otherwise, and making peace with that now will save you a lot of headache down the road 😅
 
personally my school list was almost entirely dictated by where I would be safe and not denied medical care. the fact providers can say no to treating me based off my gender is so terrifying. i've had to accept that there are schools i would have a much better chance at are unsafe for me, and if I don't get in this cycle i'll just have to give up and stay in the state I am safe in with a new career path.
when i was applying, i only applied to places i realistically saw myself living and have strong views on reproductive rights. however, nowhere is perfect. you can go to the bluest or red-est corner of the US and still find someone with an opposing viewpoint.
 
You may not have the liberty of choosing your top— so you need to be prepared to coexist and collaborate with your classmates who may not share similar views as you for the next 4+ years.
Very much this.

Signed, someone who has been assigned groups with someone who thinks my marriage is invalid and my spouse is mentally ill. I don't have to be nice and I don't have to be friendly, but if you're going to succeed in school and then in life you can't just be spouting off at people.
Vet school was probably the first time that I was in really close quarters with outwardly conservative individuals. Granted, Trump's first election happened when I was in second (third?) year and people were more vocal about things than ever before. You will have people in school, at work, in your family, etc that will be on the opposite end of the political spectrum from you. The thing about work/school is that if you choose to harass people, you can/will face life-altering consequences which might include firing/expulsion. And that harassment can absolutely be you thinking you're having a conversation with someone, but it's not a welcome conversation.

OP had posted they had an interview for a dual degree at a school…that school held the CK memorial back in september. I left campus while hundreds of people with the “red hats” walked in. Despite being in a predominantly blue state, they are everywhere. Doesn’t matter how blue or red you think the location of the school is, people from all walks of life and all sorts of backgrounds are there.
Also fwiw, any public/state school is not going to be able to do anything about rallies, speakers, marches, etc. from either side of the spectrum. Public school = public property, for the most part. My undergrad had weekly anti-abortion speakers, some preacher-type guy who brought in a mic and boombox, etc. and they'd park it outside on the grass somewhere all day. These groups would carry around really graphic imagery and/or shout things at students. They have a right to be there just as I would have my right to wave a Planned Parenthood sign around the same campus. Private schools are different I assume. I'm not even sure a public school can ban political attire tbh, because unless there are graphic words/imagery, it's not inherently 'offensive' just because you disagree with it.

ETA: Clarifying that my undergrad was in a blue state (at the time) and the campus is very liberal in general. No one wanted them there, but they had every right to be there.
Agree 100% and would also add that as a vet, your clients and often coworkers are also going to come in with a variety of questionable opinions, political and otherwise, and making peace with that now will save you a lot of headache down the road 😅
Oh for real. Excellent point. Working ER in FL, can't tell you how many times I had someone in a room with a MAGA hat/shirt on. A lot of pets came in with 'Trump 202_' collars. Even a few pets named 'Trump.' My coworkers were really diverse, and with aesthetic appearances that would make your most MAGA of MAGA-ers start shouting about snowflakes. I can't recall any client actually giving me/us any politically-based trouble, but I also never commented on their attire (and obvi treated their pet just like I would anyone else's) and afaik, none of my coworkers every did either. Why? Because commenting would be completely inappropriate and unprofessional. Wasn't there a Grey's episode about Bailey having to treat a dude with a swastika tattoo? For as ridiculous as that show is, there are some legit story lines sprinkled in.

Also had an extremely Trumpy but highly experienced, arguably my best, tech that I had (I think I just mentioned her earlier in this thread actually lol) to work with all the time. My views weren't secret, hers definitely weren't (she was the one with the massive trump flag on the car in the parking lot...) but did our politics get in the way of working together? Nope, not a single time. Not once.
 
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Coincidentally reminded of the time a client complained she wouldn't be forced to vaccinate her dog [for rabies] if trump was president.

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When I pointed out to my parents that most vets do still pay back hundreds of thousands even if they get forgiveness in the end, they started to look at it differently.

My grandparents are as conservative as they come. And they think the interest rates we pay are predatory on the part of the government. Which, if you think about it, is actually a pretty conservative viewpoint in the vein of the conservative politicians prior to 2016. They think interest rates for loans should follow that of homes, just like a mortgage. They actually fully support me sitting tight and not paying much on principle until we know what's going to happen. Gotta prioritize this house.

I'm not even sure a public school can ban political attire tbh

First amendment rights! If they can ban a Charlie Kirk memorial, they can ban a Nicolle Good memorial too. If anything, they'd be required to. The Advisory Opinions podcast had a discussion on campus political speech a few months back. Essentially, the rights of the protesters don't stop until they impede on the rights of those around them. And that doesn't apply to speech saying they want to deny someone whatever; they have to physically block a student from also exercising their rights.
 
Also fwiw, any public/state school is not going to be able to do anything about rallies, speakers, marches, etc. from either side of the spectrum. Public school = public property, for the most part. My undergrad had weekly anti-abortion speakers, some preacher-type guy who brought in a mic and boombox, etc. and they'd park it outside on the grass somewhere all day. These groups would carry around really graphic imagery and/or shout things at students. They have a right to be there just as I would have my right to wave a Planned Parenthood sign around the same campus. Private schools are different I assume. I'm not even sure a public school can ban political attire tbh, because unless there are graphic words/imagery, it's not inherently 'offensive' just because you disagree with it.

ETA: Clarifying that my undergrad was in a blue state (at the time) and the campus is very liberal in general. No one wanted them there, but they had every right to be there.
oh yes 100%. i was moreso just throwing it out there that saying it’s “on sight” wouldn’t bode well for them as there were many individuals there, and just to give them a more realistic example.

at my undergrad we had all sorts of speakers and events appear on campus and they couldn’t cancel or deny any of them from happening unless something crazy happened (which the one time it did when milo yiannopoulos tried to come to campus and there were two protests; one for and one against and it got physical so the whole thing was canceled)
 
Coincidentally reminded of the time a client complained she wouldn't be forced to vaccinate her dog [for rabies] if trump was president.

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Joke on her! No one cares about the animals. Bobby K. ain't going to worry about the rabies vaccine. And it's county/state mandated, not federal. So limited influence anyways
 
Joke on her! No one cares about the animals. Bobby K. ain't going to worry about the rabies vaccine. And it's county/state mandated, not federal. So limited influence anyways
clearly since AI data centers matter more than our protected species on protected lands 😍😍😍
 
First amendment rights! If they can ban a Charlie Kirk memorial, they can ban a Nicolle Good memorial too. If anything, they'd be required to. The Advisory Opinions podcast had a discussion on campus political speech a few months back. Essentially, the rights of the protesters don't stop until they impede on the rights of those around them. And that doesn't apply to speech saying they want to deny someone whatever; they have to physically block a student from also exercising their rights.
Again stating that I'm 100000% liberal but I do think this is what liberals, generally speaking, forget. Trump supporters have absolutely every right to march, shout, campaign, whatever. That is their right. You can absolutely disagree, you can hold a counter march/rally, whatever, but you can't really take measures to stop them. In my tiny corner of the world I see a lot more liberals trying to 'put a stop to' various conservative events rather than the other way around. If you get to do it, so do they

Joke on her! No one cares about the animals. Bobby K. ain't going to worry about the rabies vaccine. And it's county/state mandated, not federal. So limited influence anyways
clearly since AI data centers matter more than our protected species on protected lands 😍😍😍
Random but my current conservative coworker got really quiet when all of the protections/fundings for various animal-related things started getting cancelled or scaled way back. And a lot of that stuff happened nearly immediately once he took office.
 
I think a lot of the people opposed to loan forgiveness don’t really understand how much people are actually repaying before forgiveness occurs.
I think it depends. This is probably the minority of people, but I do know a small handful of people that got creative (or maybe just smart?) about their repayment approach in the context of PSLF and are set to pay essentially nothing of their initial balance before it's all forgiven. If that still happens. My coworker is doing this and I believe her 120th payment is imminent so I'm very curious to see how it plays out for her
 
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