resurrected: Amphetamines/Ritalin/Adderral Thread

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The other thing with amphetamines is virtually everyone on my campus is rxed them. Most of these kids don't even take the damn things in the way they are prescribed ie. some of them only take them when they need to study or worse, some take them when they want to remain awake while drinking all night. And because they get a full supply of it, theyre always willing to sell it to idiots who not only take much more than is needed to focus but mix it with other stuff like marijuana.

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the drugs y'all are talking about I believe ONLY helps to improve mental alertness and reduces distraction.

But how is this related to intelligence and retention?

I don't think drugs -- legal or illegal--- are going to increase somebody's level of understanding material or concepts.

retention after understanding for future use requires memory strategies like writing notes in suitable formats.


What to do with increased mental alertness and stamina without ability to understand and retention?

Adderall can enormously increase output and efficiency in certain people. It can increase understanding material or concepts, by improving focus.

Also, in regard to Drogba's comment that it is illegality at which the line is drawn for "unfair advantage," due to his reservations to appeal to the law as some sort of transcendent set of rules that must be adhered to: his appeal to the law as the place to draw the line is entirely arbitrary. Being poor and unable to pay for MCAT classes, having a constitution such that one cannot frequently stay up late nights to study, having low intelligence, having poor concentration, having bad people skills and the resulting ability to form study groups, and so on: these are all factors that someone cannot control, and yet we are ranked according to these factors. If the law has no specific claim according to our ethical theory, it cannot then be appealed to to draw the line (such that it prevents people from using Adderall, as Adderall, due to its illegality would then be ostensibly less easily found), as there are many other factors that give students unfair advantages over others, some of which do not relate to academic ability at all but rather to other intrinsic, uncontrollable qualities or even socioeconomic status, and these are only examples I have given. I can give many more.

To clarify: the illegality of the thing is no different from other sorts of barriers that keep people from pursuing activities that would help them in their premedical careers (forming study groups, studying into the night, buying an MCAT prep course, and all such things previously mentioned). The point, I think, that Drogba makes is that illegality prevents some people from pursuing the acquisition and use of Adderall, since the consequences are severe. Yet the same follows with excessive caffeine use, nicotine use, or all nighters: these have both health-related, psychologically-related, and relationship maintenance-related consequences. Some people shy away from these activities precisely due to the negative consequences incurred or potentially incurred in the future. So how is Adderall usage and the potential of facing legal or disciplinary consequences, then, any different in these cases? Before you say that these legal consequences are more severe than the consequences from other activities, consider that cigarette smoking (a great study aid in my opinion) has the potential consequence of early death.
 
Adderall can enormously increase output and efficiency in certain people. It can increase understanding material or concepts, by improving focus.

Also, in regard to Drogba's comment that it is illegality at which the line is drawn for "unfair advantage," due to his reservations to appeal to the law as some sort of transcendent set of rules that must be adhered to: his appeal to the law as the place to draw the line is entirely arbitrary. Being poor and unable to pay for MCAT classes, having a constitution such that one cannot frequently stay up late nights to study, having low intelligence, having poor concentration, having bad people skills and the resulting ability to form study groups, and so on: these are all factors that someone cannot control, and yet we are ranked according to these factors. If the law has no specific claim according to our ethical theory, it cannot then be appealed to to draw the line (such that it prevents people from using Adderall, as Adderall, due to its illegality would then be ostensibly less easily found), as there are many other factors that give students unfair advantages over others, some of which do not relate to academic ability at all but rather to other intrinsic, uncontrollable qualities or even socioeconomic status, and these are only examples I have given. I can give many more.
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The problem is that a lot of people nowadays equate grades with self worth as a result of the educational system that has propogated all over America. This is why people feel the need to seek such potent drugs, even when they don't require them. I am not suggesting that grades should be eliminated, simply that our social and educational system has not found the right fit for how human beings function in relation to education and learning. Even the high achievers are no longer satisfied with their grades, because the glass ceiling is always at perfection.

As for myself, I do a lot better on exams when I drink a doubleshot. For some reason, coffee helps me focus intensely for an hour...it also makes me break out though. Other than that I only drink water. I hope I am not being a hypocrite here....
 
But what do people think when someone equates using psychostimulants with using performance enhancers such as HGH or other 'roids in competitive sports. The "brain steroid" kind of comparison. They think there is no difference... what would you argue, either in agreement or disagreement, in regards to this comparison?
 
But what do people think when someone equates using psychostimulants with using performance enhancers such as HGH or other 'roids in competitive sports. The "brain steroid" kind of comparison. They think there is no difference... what would you argue, either in agreement or disagreement, in regards to this comparison?

If by someone, you mean atheltes, then there are two parts to this question. The first being whether athletes make such comparisons and the second being whether the two are comparable.

I can not speak for the athletes but as indicated by one of todays popular articles (http://sports.yahoo.com/sa/news?slug=ap-jones-resultsanulled&prov=ap&type=lgns) doping is a social sitgma, and so is having a disorder such as ADD/ADHD (~30 percent of employers show bias against people with disorders-I can digg up a reference to this after the break). If either are not medically required, I would argue that 1. They should not be used 2. They are similar only in the fact that they improve the physiological functions of the body. One can be used to improve standing in a "career" by increasing oxygen flow or whatever..., another can be used to earn grades that will land a better career in the future by altering hormonal functioning. They are equatable to a degree but they have varied uses...in the end judgements are passed and the glass ceiling is either the perfect grade or the perfect time run/home run/lap time.
 
If its that commom, don't the people using it get in trouble?
 
If its that commom, don't the people using it get in trouble?

No. It's a pretty hard thing to prove. This is just intuitive but I'd say that well over 60% of my campus have had kids who have tried adderall, ritalin, focalin, concerta, whatever to enhance their study capabilities without rx
 
Why to go for allnighters?

good sleep is above all drugs discussed for mental alertness, focus and stamina.

can someone plan activities such that they don't have to go for allnighters?

can't they stop partying all day so that they don't have to do allnighters with dangerous drugs?
 
WILL YOU TRUST the JUDGEMENT of the doctor who relies on Drugs for processing information and also staying alert and focused?

Have you seen HITLER and MEDICINE secrets show on Discovery health?

If I am not wrong, It talks about how drugs for Parkinson disease available at that time influenced his decision making and played among many factors responsible for his downfall.
 
can't they stop partying all day so that they don't have to do allnighters with dangerous drugs?

You're in college, right? You know the answer to this question... 🙂

Dumb people don't get enough sleep on a Thursday night to make their Friday nights last longer when they can get an easier solution in the form of a pill.
 
There was an old thread from about 3 years ago regarding this same topic. The last thread didn't get closed down so I decided to just copy the disclaimer the old creator had (cause it seemed to work with the moderators):

Ground rules:
1) Do not discuss illegal ways of getting this drug (including, but not limited to...Mexico, faking a diagnosis, theft, etc...)
2) Do not ask for, or give, medical advice of any sort. Anything that could be construed as medical advice (ie...discussion of optimum dosage, personal experiences with the drug, etc...) should be avoided.
3) When in doubt, stick to opinions and stick to the prompt!
**4) It should be okay to quote information that is publicly or widely available online (ie. manufacturer website, WebMD, etc...), just remember rule #2.

My question is: Is Amphetamine salts/Adderall (without Rx) use as a method of enhancing cognition in studying and test-taking wrong? It happens all the time here at my school and I wanted to see if it is used as much at other universities... your thoughts...

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what do you think?
Here are the ground rules for your response:
1) You must discuss illicit methods of obtaining this drug
2) You must give medical advice
3) You must answer the questions: "How many days in the last 30 days have used any amphetamines (such as crystal, ice, bennies, speed, etc...) and/or adderall?" and "How many years have you used these substances?"
4) When in doubt about your answer just type in big letters "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS"
5) wear a D.A.R.E T-shirt while you are giving your response
 
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The lengths to which some people will go to get good grades never ceases to amaze me. I can't imagine how little common sense one musth ave in order to put a drug into their body in order to study. And before anyone jumps in and accuses me of hypocrisy, let me say I do not even drink soda, coffee, or tea if it has caffeine. So I am "drug-free," when I study.

Yeah, I gave up caffeine ~5 years ago. Started giving me really bad headaches after drinking something with caffeine.

Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can call anyone it does work for desparate or lacking common sense.

Myself I see stimulants as a helpful ON switch for people with more spontaneous personalities, same as alcohol/weed could be an OFF switch to have fun sometimes when work is done. I'm aware of the possible consequences of getting tolerance to said stimulants, but I've tried to do it the natural way for many years. This way allows me to get where I want to go in life efficiently and have time to enjoy the whole process while I'm still young.

I sometimes envy people that can create daily schedules that allows studying for ~40 minutes then take a ~20 minute fun break and continue studying...etc with no problem. My problem is I can't switch so easily between play mode and study mode in such a short time and fight against my will. I prefer to go all out in whatever I do, and hate having to look at the clock and being reminded when my time will be up.

Granted this could be a developmental/psychological problem of mine. When I was young, I was a serious video game addict enjoying life, and at one time my parents tried to limit my play time to only 2 hours per day, and nearly all the fun was lost because I felt like a prisoner under an imposed time limit and couldn't let me desires flow naturally.
 
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can call anyone it does work for desparate or lacking common sense.

Myself I see stimulants as a helpful ON switch for people with more spontaneous personalities, same as alcohol/weed could be an OFF switch to have fun sometimes when work is done. I'm aware of the possible consequences of getting tolerance to said stimulants, but I've tried to do it the natural way for many years. This way allows me to get where I want to go in life efficiently and have time to enjoy the whole process while I'm still young.

I sometimes envy people that can create daily schedules that allows studying for ~40 minutes then take a ~20 minute fun break and continue studying...etc with no problem. My problem is I can't switch so easily between play mode and study mode in such a short time and fight against my will. I prefer to go all out in whatever I do, and hate having to look at the clock and being reminded when my time will be up.

Granted this could be a developmental/psychological problem of mine. When I was young, I was a serious video game addict enjoying life, and at one time my parents tried to limit my play time to only 2 hours per day, and nearly all the fun was lost because I felt like a prisoner under an imposed time limit and couldn't let me desires flow naturally.
I empathize with your situation.
 
Do yourself a favor and don't start taking it. There's an old saying in the drug question asking world that goes something like, "if someone's asking about their 'friend' using a drug, it's usually about the person asking the question," so if you are using aderall do yourself a favor and stop. It's an addictive drug that's easily abused and will only lead to trouble. Don't forget that if you ever get stopped by a cop and he sees your pupils, you're going in for being under the influence or possession of a controlled substance.

This is really about as ignorant as a post can be. First off, different people have different reasons for using various stimulants. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd realize that the line between say caffeine and amphetamine is completely arbitrary.

Secondly, you're on crack if you think your thing about being pulled over is anywhere close to the truth.
 
Wondering where you guys stand on Provigil use by residents and attendings. Pretty common in my neck of the woods...
 
Don't they use that to treat narcolepsy?

That's one use for it. Also useful when you need to stay awake for 30+ hours. Haven't tried it myself, but some of our attendings swear by it.
 
That's one use for it. Also useful when you need to stay awake for 30+ hours. Haven't tried it myself, but some of our attendings swear by it.

Of course you don't use it. You are the Tired Pidgeon after all...

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But I've heard of the drug too actually. It's in the pharmacy where I work back at school and I actually fill it quite often. I know it isn't an amphetamine like adderall is... I guess I'm just used to the drugs we kids abuse out here. I mean "the kids" that is.
 
Wondering where you guys stand on Provigil use by residents and attendings. Pretty common in my neck of the woods...

I thought Provigil is a narcotic. Well at the pharmacy I work at we keep it in with other narcotics. Why would residents and attendings risk losing their license for prescription abuse?


Don't they use that to treat narcolepsy?

Not any more. Provigil is only FDA approved to treat sleep disorders like OSAHS and SWSD now.
 
I thought Provigil is a narcotic. Well at the pharmacy I work at we keep it in with other narcotics. Why would residents and attendings risk losing their license for prescription abuse?




Not any more. Provigil is only FDA approved to treat sleep disorders like OSAHS and SWSD now.

It's definitely not a narcotic; I don't think many people are using narcotics to improve alertness. 😉

I'm not talking about illegal prescription abuse here, so I'm not sure why they'd be at any risk of losing their licenses. A legitimate prescription for an off-label use of a drug is commonplace.
 
It's definitely not a narcotic; I don't think many people are using narcotics to improve alertness. 😉

I'm not talking about illegal prescription abuse here, so I'm not sure why they'd be at any risk of losing their licenses. A legitimate prescription for an off-label use of a drug is commonplace.


right and actually i know someone who uses adderall off-label for severe depression.
 
right and actually i know someone who uses adderall off-label for severe depression.

Hmm, interesting. Hadn't heard of that. Is it effective? What neurotransmitter does it affect? Is this maybe a backup for people who don't see good results with SSRIs or SNRIs?
 
Dopamine, Norepinephrine, and 5-HT.. behavioral effects linked to the enhanced dopaminergic activity

and yes, said person had a bad experience with Prozac =[

he says adderall helps with his symptoms of depression though. I guess he convinced his psychiatrist to let him try adderall. I mean, the guy was buying it off the street anyways 👎
 
It's definitely not a narcotic; I don't think many people are using narcotics to improve alertness. 😉

I'm not talking about illegal prescription abuse here, so I'm not sure why they'd be at any risk of losing their licenses. A legitimate prescription for an off-label use of a drug is commonplace.

oh sorry, well we keep it with other controlled substance so I figured it is a controlled substance too.

Since it is only used to treat sleep disorders, if a resident/ attending takes it, is not that bad? Since you need a prescription for it, and physicians are only suppose to prescribe it to people with sleep disorders?
 
I'm extremely skeptical that stimulants confer *any* long term academic advantage to a non-ADD person. So what if speed can fuel all-nighters. Good students don't study like that. And prolonged use of stimulants creates tolerance problems that require the abuser to take progressively more and more in order to achieve the same effect. High doses of stimulants can lead to all sorts of fun side effects ranging from jaw grinding to drug-induced psychosis.

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I'm extremely skeptical that stimulants confer *any* long term academic advantage to a non-ADD person. So what if speed can fuel all-nighters. Good students don't study like that. And prolonged use of stimulants creates tolerance problems that require the abuser to take progressively more and more in order to achieve the same effect. High doses of stimulants can lead to all sorts of fun side effects ranging from jaw grinding to drug-induced psychosis.

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Define "Good." Most of the kids I know who use it without an Rx do so only around midterms and finals and these kids are the straight-A types.
 
Define "Good." Most of the kids I know who use it without an Rx do so only around midterms and finals and these kids are the straight-A types.

I'd like to see how well this holds up in medical school. It's no big secret that cramming is a very poor study strategy that won't serve you well in professional school.
 
There were many rumors of Adderall use by my classmates, although I have no idea how prevalent it actually was. The most striking case was a girl who graduated, shall we say, both from med school and from Adderall. She's not in medicine anymore.
 
There were many rumors of Adderall use by my classmates, although I have no idea how prevalent it actually was. The most striking case was a girl who graduated, shall we say, both from med school and from Adderall. She's not in medicine anymore.

So she was caught using illegally and was booted?
 
So she was caught using illegally and was booted?

I believe the chronology was that she started to help her studying, and began using more and more to help lose weight before her marriage. Got married, then she got strung out (her husband was unaware of this before they got hitched) and didn't show up for residency. Went into rehab, and while there met a guy who turned her on to crack. What a weiner.
 
First, let me address a glaring post.

Steroids are cheating because accomplishment in a sport can only be relative to other players. When you take steriods you give yourself and unfair advantage relative to those players, and thereby bias the game against them.

This is only true for games and sports. But first:

In life accomplishment is absolute. You don't want to gage people's talent and effort (as in sports), you want them to do the best work possible. If everyone medical student stops Adderol it lowers everyone's ability to learn and results in a lower quality of doctor, which is bad. It doesn't matter that the 'right' person is at the head of the class, because the point is not to have the 'right' person at the head of the class. The point is to turn out doctors who give the best possible standard of care. Your patients aren't going to care if you got your knowledge of medicine by 'cheating', they're just going to want you to be able to fix them.

Okay, you have a lot of misconceptions about Adderall use. Using prescription Adderall isn't "cheating" (if that's what your implying), and the use of prescription Adderall will not preclude someone from being a good doctor.

In sports, we revoke prizes and merit on the basis of "cheating" because sports require that there is a level playing field - they are a game. But do we revoke Nobel Prizes on the basis of performance enhancing drugs? For example, if it became clear the Einstein had abused amphetamines or Kornberg had used a susbtance which enhanced his natural abilties, would we revoke their Nobel Prizes? Of course not. When it really matters, the goal isn't creating an equal playing field. The goal is to have a practical benefit for society. Because in the real world, things are not equal. People suffer from diseases while others remain healthy. We must address these issues, and often times an equal playing field isn't the best way to fight the negative aspects of life.

I think there's a lot of misinformation about the harms/benefits and general effects of Adderall.

Under the supervision of a healthcare professional, Adderall is almost always safe and effective. I have been taking prescription Adderall for some time now, and it has significantly improved my ability to focus, pay attention, and organize my daily life. It has also allowed me to relax, which has in effect lowered my blood pressure (a surprising, yet positive reaction from the drug).

I also take a break from the drug on weekends, so despite popular belief, not everyone is liable to become addicted or dependent. Addiction is a very personal issue, and a lot of people just don't become addicted to these kinds of drugs. I am more than able to stop using Adderall (though I will have some withdrawl effects) for periods at a time without any significant problems. This is not the case with abusers.

Don't kid yourself - if you use amphetamines you will build a resistance (doses are titrated for a reason) and you won't be able to come off them easily. If you don't absolutely need them, it's just stupid to get hooked on them.

I don't think this is usually the case for prescription users. Through proper diet and supplements, I have managed to ward off tolerance to my daily dosage, as have other prescription Adderall users I know. If I go above my prescribed dosage, I end up feeling too jittery and confused - even a small increase. In the right situation, a prescription Adderall user will benefit greatly from a stable, daily dosage.

Adderall abuse is short-sighted, and will frequently do more harm than good. This is because you cannot usually control your dosage, and more often than not, you don't need the drug. Furthermore, the kind of people who buy Adderall illegally (and other drugs) are often times addictive personalities. Non-addicts usually have no desire to break the law. It is no wonder that illegal users have such a high rate of addiction.
 
Obviously you are all abusing ADD drugs and should be banned.
 
Have any of you actually used any of these drugs?

Ritalin/Adderall are not used to gain a competitive advantage. They are not used to get better grades. They are used to help focus one's attention. They are used so one doesn't spend most of their lectures staring out the windows. These drugs, in no way, make you smarter. They aid in focus and concentration. I can tell you, firsthand, that they do a great deal for people who need them.

Obviously, they can be abused. And, frankly, even if they are being abused, still don'y confer any advantage. These drugs do not make you smarter. If you take them you still have to work just as hard to get good grades!
 
Have any of you actually used any of these drugs?

Ritalin/Adderall are not used to gain a competitive advantage. They are not used to get better grades. They are used to help focus one's attention. They are used so one doesn't spend most of their lectures staring out the windows. These drugs, in no way, make you smarter. They aid in focus and concentration. I can tell you, firsthand, that they do a great deal for people who need them.

Obviously, they can be abused. And, frankly, even if they are being abused, still don'y confer any advantage. These drugs do not make you smarter. If you take them you still have to work just as hard to get good grades!

I wholeheartedly agree! If you didn't understand the material to begin with, it may give you the patients to spend enough time with it to learn it, but it doesn't make you understand it. Example: I don't understand differential equations very well. In order to do so, I'd have to do at least 30 hours of studying and practice problems. Adderall/Ritalin would give me the patience to do all that studying in one sitting (i.e. cram), but I could do the same work over 2 or 3 days without the drug.

Adderall can "backfire" in some ways as well. It was prevalent at my college as well, but there were more than a few people who would take it then get ridiculously focused on some inane minutiae in the text. They'd be completely absorbed in, say, making sure their notes all ended at the same right side margin on the page than the material. Just a thought...
 
I'm sure this point has come up before but I see them much like steroids in sports. I sometimes call caffeine a performance-enhancing drug because if I don't get much sleep, there's no way I could focus nor stay awake with either redbull or at least coffee. Steroids are of course illegal and have worse effects to your body than do Ritalin/Adderral but the principle is the same.
 
What? Concentration doesn't have an effect on learning? It enhances your ability to concentrate for long periods of time and thus enhances your learning. It doesn't increase your IQ, but so what? Since when did organic chem test IQ? Increased concentration will benefit anyone regardless of their baseline intelligence (measured by your favorite arbitrary method).
 
What? Concentration doesn't have an effect on learning? It enhances your ability to concentrate for long periods of time and thus enhances your learning. It doesn't increase your IQ, but so what? Since when did organic chem test IQ? Increased concentration will benefit anyone regardless of their baseline intelligence (measured by your favorite arbitrary method).


If you are so up in arms about it get a script.
 
Prepare for an awkward pro-athlete metaphor.

I think that pros will still be pros - people who get 4.0's don't need anything more.

But if you were in the minor leagues, just on the cusp of getting into the majors (into med school). Considering that this is your career, who wouldn't dope? If you get caught, you pay the price - but at least you tried. Suffering through 10 app cycles will drive someone to suicide.

I think that drinking enough coffee to kill a horse or taking any number of other things is not a good idea. Doping is bad for you, that's why everyone doesn't do it. If you don't need to, you shouldn't. I don't think I need to, but if I thought that was the only way, I don't see how I could just give up and say "nahh, I don't want to risk it all."

I'd also like to remind people that residents come home and take a sleeping pill to get their circadian rhythm in line with their call schedule. Or they drop an Adderall to stay alert/up for that 8 hour Whipple they'll only be holding a retractor for. This isn't an issue of just classes and studying for pre-meds.
 
I think this ADD stuff is a bunch of crap. If any of you have not had the pleasure, listen to Neal Boortz talk about medication for attention disorders. My teachers (in grade school, middle school, & high school) have multiple times mentioned to my parents that I should be medicated.

The problem is, if you aren't challenged with your school work, you are going to get bored and probably be "hyperactive." Once I got to an outstanding university, I was challenged to my level of intelligence which eliminated my "ADHD." I'm not saying that I am super intelligent, but if you give someone addition and subtraction when they are on the level of long division or multiplication, you can't expect them to NOT get bored.

Also, I am not saying that the medication doesn't HELP. I'm saying it usually isn't necessary. Just because you are distracted doesn't mean you are ADD or ADHD. The problem with our generation nowadays is that we have so much crap distracting us (cell phones, ipods, computers, video games, etc.). I have learned from personal experience that eliminating those distractions (turn everything OFF) is the best way to concentrate.

I am also not saying that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD, but I think that medication can many times put people back instead of helping them move forward.

Hope everyone's exams or whatever else you are doing is going well!
 
I'm pretty happy with the way my brain works naturally, thanks.

I know people who take some form of pill to help them focus; they spend all day in the library and get the same (or worse) grade as other people who study half the time without taking a pill.

The only problem I've ever had with classes is when procrastination affects the quality of my work; that is something that I can pretty easily fix on my own if I need to.
 
Wow, this is one of the most uninformed threads I have read on SDN.
 
"Allows you to stay in a library for 8 hrs getting pure work done...oh well every drug has a side effect haha 🙄"

somehow i find this hard to believe. i tried ritalin once and it did nothing other than keep me from being sleepy. That meant i could watch tv 8hrs straight.

Hard to believe, yes. However, it does seem to make materials more interesting, help you focus better, and generally learn better. At least that's what I heard.
 
I think this ADD stuff is a bunch of crap. If any of you have not had the pleasure, listen to Neal Boortz talk about medication for attention disorders. My teachers (in grade school, middle school, & high school) have multiple times mentioned to my parents that I should be medicated.

The problem is, if you aren't challenged with your school work, you are going to get bored and probably be "hyperactive." Once I got to an outstanding university, I was challenged to my level of intelligence which eliminated my "ADHD." I'm not saying that I am super intelligent, but if you give someone addition and subtraction when they are on the level of long division or multiplication, you can't expect them to NOT get bored.

Also, I am not saying that the medication doesn't HELP. I'm saying it usually isn't necessary. Just because you are distracted doesn't mean you are ADD or ADHD. The problem with our generation nowadays is that we have so much crap distracting us (cell phones, ipods, computers, video games, etc.). I have learned from personal experience that eliminating those distractions (turn everything OFF) is the best way to concentrate.

I am also not saying that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD, but I think that medication can many times put people back instead of helping them move forward.

Hope everyone's exams or whatever else you are doing is going well!

Um... Did you seriously just write that?😕
Doctors may be too liberal with ADD diagnosis, I don't know. But I definitely wouldn't say that "the problem with our generation is that we have so much crap distracting us."

You've evidently not met anyone who is ADD. Else you'd know better than to spew ignorance.
 
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can call anyone it does work for desparate or lacking common sense.

Myself I see stimulants as a helpful ON switch for people with more spontaneous personalities, same as alcohol/weed could be an OFF switch to have fun sometimes when work is done. I'm aware of the possible consequences of getting tolerance to said stimulants, but I've tried to do it the natural way for many years. This way allows me to get where I want to go in life efficiently and have time to enjoy the whole process while I'm still young.

I sometimes envy people that can create daily schedules that allows studying for ~40 minutes then take a ~20 minute fun break and continue studying...etc with no problem. My problem is I can't switch so easily between play mode and study mode in such a short time and fight against my will. I prefer to go all out in whatever I do, and hate having to look at the clock and being reminded when my time will be up.

Granted this could be a developmental/psychological problem of mine. When I was young, I was a serious video game addict enjoying life, and at one time my parents tried to limit my play time to only 2 hours per day, and nearly all the fun was lost because I felt like a prisoner under an imposed time limit and couldn't let me desires flow naturally.

Holy **** man.

I think we're the same person.
 
Someone may have already written about this, but I don't have the energy or attention span 😀 to read all of the replies...haha

Seriously though, I remember learning about this thing called state-dependent learning. The idea is that whatever state you are in when you learn the material, ideally one would need to be in the same state in order to best perform on the test. I could see how this could become a real problem with the use of amphetamines during test taking...I don't think it's worth it. Plus I remember watching a MTV true life of whatever the hell that show is called where people were addicted to amphetamines. This one guy did an experiement to see how it would affect his learning and he stopped taking the pills for either one test or an entire semester or an SAT (I can't remember which one) and he got the exact same score as his did when he was one the medication....food for thought...
 
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