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Started by Animal Midwife
and we're back
I love Missy Elliot
I love Missy Elliot
Stop pocketing me
then talk to me about the coop voters> FTF's randlynching is pro-village.
> FTF didn't vote yesterday; people who aren't voting are likely village, because the only way wolves can win this game (as far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong) is influencing lynches, so I have a hard time believing wolves are passing up on voting.
> Wolves have been night-killing the runner up lynch candidate when they are village. A good strategy to test unknowns is to put people we're not sure of in the second place position and see what happens after the night cycle; obviously someone surviving isn't definitive proof they're a wolf, but it's definitely informative.
who i originally thought were all village before they came under suspect with that pippy vote
very suspicious venn diagram
uhhStatistics disagrees with you.
People voting for people they THINK are village is not a guaranteed result of villagers being lynched. Village voting error is what the wolves would need to happen to win this.
Voting for a mod = not voting for a wolf.
you missed the point where you can skew the odds
in regular ww you can townlock one person and chances are you're right if the read is good enough
and that'll make all the difference in terms of who you can bounce reads off of and talk to
here that's still a thing you just need to go about it p ****in differently
someone talk to me about the genny wagon
then talk to me about the coop voters
who i originally thought were all village before they came under suspect with that pippy vote
very suspicious venn diagram
Elaborate.
only name is dolphinElaborate.
mpm is dead
but dolphin voted both coop and pippy
the thing about wolves is they dont necessarily see the game the same way that village sees it
so for coop to be killed and have those 2 people voting them switch right over to a wolf makes me think that's one of those kills
need to read dolphin's posts
only name is dolphin
mpm is dead
but dolphin voted both coop and pippy
the thing about wolves is they dont necessarily see the game the same way that village sees it
so for coop to be killed and have those 2 people voting them switch right over to a wolf makes me think that's one of those kills
need to read dolphin's posts
Maybe. But I feel like it's easy to overinterpret significance of votes on earlier days, because let's be real, villagers are all fumbling around blindly at that point. Correct votes could be mostly luck, and incorrect could just be bad luck.
I have no significant thoughts on dolphin.
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I am sure that roid is a wolf
alright reread d2 and i have discovered the following
-pippy promised reads and just...never gave em
-there was a point where wagons were 3/3/3/3 so need to go back and look at that again
-some people followed pippy onto msp which is nothing short of weird (Self excluded)
might be a good look for those people
-pippy promised reads and just...never gave em
-there was a point where wagons were 3/3/3/3 so need to go back and look at that again
-some people followed pippy onto msp which is nothing short of weird (Self excluded)
might be a good look for those people
1 in: MJ
Take to endgame
1 minimum in:
frosty
dolphin
cubs
allieh
Keep alive as long as possible
SO 1 likely in:
SARdoghandler
acanthuroidei
Navilly
mizchiefmanaged
Barkley13
grebes4lyfe
WildZoo
im trying to math it rn but i think you can literally lynch all 4 in the second group and win
depends on how many wolves are actually in that group
but let's say 1
13 alive and after 4 lynches that takes you to
5 alive with two wolves alive
so this is the exact opposite of how i thought it would go and is completely non-ideal since there's probs a chance of more than 1?
maybe
so just ignore that completely
so the job for tonight is to
read all posts between those 4 in the second group as well as all of pippy's & mj's posts
and then see who can be aligned with each other
not find wolves, but rule out possible w/w worlds
because if you have a b c and e
and a cant be wolves with b c and e because of whatever spewy interactions you dig up
then either a is a wolf
or it's some combination of b c and e
meaning a maximum of 3 wolves
now returning to thing i said to ignore
if you have a maximum of 3 wolves and you flip 1
then youve either flipped someone you ruled out in worlds with everyone else
OR you flipped someone in the group of 3 and you cleared the one you ruled out instead
which means that looking into these associations among the pippy wagon
provides what's basically a safety net
now ahem
Ordinarily I'd do this myself and read all those posts since it's only 6 isos
but i dont like this site's iso feature :x
SO DOES ANYONE WANNA VOLUNTEER TO DO IT FOR ME so i dont have to
so with that
you do this world building thing, and then you decide who is more village than who
where the actual mafia reads come into play
seeing that they most likely will since i cant rig a group nor can i guarantee only 1 wolf (people were voting pippy for ****all)
so yes
group 2 needs to be sorted per associations and then tone
maybe you find 2 villagers in that group, maybe you find 1
BUT YOU DONT PRESS YOUR LUCK
you put all the focus into the third group since if there's 2 wolves in the pippy voters, the last group has to be all town, or mj is town
you decide which is more likely
Take to endgame
1 minimum in:
frosty
dolphin
cubs
allieh
Keep alive as long as possible
SO 1 likely in:
SARdoghandler
acanthuroidei
Navilly
mizchiefmanaged
Barkley13
grebes4lyfe
WildZoo
im trying to math it rn but i think you can literally lynch all 4 in the second group and win
depends on how many wolves are actually in that group
but let's say 1
13 alive and after 4 lynches that takes you to
5 alive with two wolves alive
so this is the exact opposite of how i thought it would go and is completely non-ideal since there's probs a chance of more than 1?
maybe
so just ignore that completely
so the job for tonight is to
read all posts between those 4 in the second group as well as all of pippy's & mj's posts
and then see who can be aligned with each other
not find wolves, but rule out possible w/w worlds
because if you have a b c and e
and a cant be wolves with b c and e because of whatever spewy interactions you dig up
then either a is a wolf
or it's some combination of b c and e
meaning a maximum of 3 wolves
now returning to thing i said to ignore
if you have a maximum of 3 wolves and you flip 1
then youve either flipped someone you ruled out in worlds with everyone else
OR you flipped someone in the group of 3 and you cleared the one you ruled out instead
which means that looking into these associations among the pippy wagon
provides what's basically a safety net
now ahem
Ordinarily I'd do this myself and read all those posts since it's only 6 isos
but i dont like this site's iso feature :x
SO DOES ANYONE WANNA VOLUNTEER TO DO IT FOR ME so i dont have to
so with that
you do this world building thing, and then you decide who is more village than who
where the actual mafia reads come into play
seeing that they most likely will since i cant rig a group nor can i guarantee only 1 wolf (people were voting pippy for ****all)
so yes
group 2 needs to be sorted per associations and then tone
maybe you find 2 villagers in that group, maybe you find 1
BUT YOU DONT PRESS YOUR LUCK
you put all the focus into the third group since if there's 2 wolves in the pippy voters, the last group has to be all town, or mj is town
you decide which is more likely
and if you realize something
you can turbo lynch in the third group which ive been saying for ****ing ever
and pretty safely not hit more than one wolf
even if you hit a wolf then
you still securely win the game knowing that mj is pretty much always a wolf here and there's one among the pippy voters
you can turbo lynch in the third group which ive been saying for ****ing ever
and pretty safely not hit more than one wolf
even if you hit a wolf then
you still securely win the game knowing that mj is pretty much always a wolf here and there's one among the pippy voters
anyway i need to feed my cats
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@Dr. ForgotToFlush I might be reading wrong because I haven't finished my coffee yet, but to recap you are saying lynching within the third group is safer than lynching within the second group? But looking for interactions between those in the second group is also a good idea to parse out which players can't be wolves for later?
Anyway if you want those ISO's, I think I already interesting points for all in group 2 except cubs. So I am happy to look into him now while I have a few moments. My interpretation is allie/pip wolfing together is pretty unlikely, while dolphin/pip and/or frosty/pip feels like a real possibility (especially the latter imo). Not sure yet if dolphin/frosty works
Anyway if you want those ISO's, I think I already interesting points for all in group 2 except cubs. So I am happy to look into him now while I have a few moments. My interpretation is allie/pip wolfing together is pretty unlikely, while dolphin/pip and/or frosty/pip feels like a real possibility (especially the latter imo). Not sure yet if dolphin/frosty works
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We don't know how many wolves there are, do we? Typical numbers would make me think 4 but not sure if this game would have "typical" numbers. In any case I'll work with 4 until we see evidence otherwise.
So wolf teams I'm evaluating -
A: Pip/MJ/frosty/dolphin
B: Pip/MJ/frosty/barks
C: Pip/MJ/barks/grebes
D: Pip/MJ/barks/cubs
That's just for fun though and because I can't resist that kind of analysis, even though . I think we're pretty safe lynching allie, probably safe lynching SAR and I'm just paranoid about voting/agreeing with two of my wolf reads. Miz and Nav I feel a little less safe about but statistics (and in Nav's case, not getting too trapped by WIFOM fallacies) say they're probably alright. I'm a little weirded out by Flushy and roid suddenly contributing more than random lynches 😵
So wolf teams I'm evaluating -
A: Pip/MJ/frosty/dolphin
B: Pip/MJ/frosty/barks
C: Pip/MJ/barks/grebes
D: Pip/MJ/barks/cubs
That's just for fun though and because I can't resist that kind of analysis, even though . I think we're pretty safe lynching allie, probably safe lynching SAR and I'm just paranoid about voting/agreeing with two of my wolf reads. Miz and Nav I feel a little less safe about but statistics (and in Nav's case, not getting too trapped by WIFOM fallacies) say they're probably alright. I'm a little weirded out by Flushy and roid suddenly contributing more than random lynches 😵
How/Why?I am sure that roid is a wolf
Why do you have 3 teams with barks, 2 with frosty, but then one with your others. What interactions are drawing you that way.
Also, today will be another... day. Will try to get my 5 posts in and vote before deadline, 10 pm best time zone?
Also, today will be another... day. Will try to get my 5 posts in and vote before deadline, 10 pm best time zone?
You have 11 hoursWill try to get my 5 posts in and vote before deadline, 10 pm best time zone?
Lynch Dubildzoo, was considering FTF until that whole page of word vomit. Acanth seems pretty wolfy and I can see a wolfy grebes as well. Dolphin village read and would vote there today too.
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Just top of my head ones I wanted to look at based on likelihood in my mind of those individuals being wolves and what I could remember of their interactions. The whole point was to look at specifics later since my brain can only hold so much! I have 3 for barks because I don't have a reason to think she can't be wolfing with the other options and she's higher on my wolf list than dolphin and cubs. Cubs being a wolf would be dependent on barks being one in my mind, if she's not then the only thing I've got against him iirc is that he voted for pip.Why do you have 3 teams with barks, 2 with frosty, but then one with your others. What interactions are drawing you that way.
Also, today will be another... day. Will try to get my 5 posts in and vote before deadline, 10 pm best time zone?
That "word vomit" looks like a solid village win plan to me, but I can see why a wolf would be trying to discredit it.Lynch Dubildzoo, was considering FTF until that whole page of word vomit. Acanth seems pretty wolfy and I can see a wolfy grebes as well. Dolphin village read and would vote there today too.
Tell me more about my "wolfiness." It keeps getting thrown around, but nobody has provided any supporting evidence.
How do you feel about me?Lynch Dubildzoo, was considering FTF until that whole page of word vomit. Acanth seems pretty wolfy and I can see a wolfy grebes as well. Dolphin village read and would vote there today too.
Wow you’re the only person giving me a village read I’m gonna be in this game forever.Lynch Dubildzoo, was considering FTF until that whole page of word vomit. Acanth seems pretty wolfy and I can see a wolfy grebes as well. Dolphin village read and would vote there today too.
I was feeling more village on dubz until I saw her wolf pairing list thing.
How/Why?
In addition to what I’ve said earlier about him:
This exchange grossed me out
> Wolves have been night-killing the runner up lynch candidate when they are village. A good strategy to test unknowns is to put people we're not sure of in the second place position and see what happens after the night cycle; obviously someone surviving isn't definitive proof they're a wolf, but it's definitely informative.
This is a good thought, except now that you’ve pointed it out I can see how the wolves may decide to change their tactics to add some confusion
No ****, Sherlock.![]()
Also, him speaking about villagers in the 3rd person here seems like a slip up to me
Maybe. But I feel like it's easy to overinterpret significance of votes on earlier days, because let's be real, villagers are all fumbling around blindly at that point. Correct votes could be mostly luck, and incorrect could just be bad luck.
I have no significant thoughts on dolphin.
I am very confident in this read
How do you feel about me?
No alarm bells, so village-ish
Wow you’re the only person giving me a village read I’m gonna be in this game forever.
I was feeling more village on dubz until I saw her wolf pairing list thing.
True...normally youd be really pissed about not being read village... but its also a reverse game... so again, from the very beginning, acting a little off, but not sure which way that pushes your affiliation, but right now im feeling more village.
That "word vomit" looks like a solid village win plan to me, but I can see why a wolf would be trying to discredit it.
Tell me more about my "wolfiness." It keeps getting thrown around, but nobody has provided any supporting evidence.
Youve been out front this game getting in peoples faces. Definitely a different style of play from your original.
Youve been out front this game getting in peoples faces. Definitely a different style of play from your original.
What posts have you interpreting Acanth as "out front"? Until this last cycle I would have called them anything but
I am very confident in this read
Which read? I may have just missed it in this exchange
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Which read? I may have just missed it in this exchange
Acanth is a wolf
Yeah I get that. I mean I definitely understand the sketch I’ve attracted by going for Pip. But also I am just not loving this style of game so it’s making my play less than great. Which is fun.True...normally youd be really pissed about not being read village... but its also a reverse game... so again, from the very beginning, acting a little off, but not sure which way that pushes your affiliation, but right now im feeling more village.
What is it about Barks play that has them in three of your Wolfy scenarios?We don't know how many wolves there are, do we? Typical numbers would make me think 4 but not sure if this game would have "typical" numbers. In any case I'll work with 4 until we see evidence otherwise.
So wolf teams I'm evaluating -
A: Pip/MJ/frosty/dolphin
B: Pip/MJ/frosty/barks
C: Pip/MJ/barks/grebes
D: Pip/MJ/barks/cubs
That's just for fun though and because I can't resist that kind of analysis, even though . I think we're pretty safe lynching allie, probably safe lynching SAR and I'm just paranoid about voting/agreeing with two of my wolf reads. Miz and Nav I feel a little less safe about but statistics (and in Nav's case, not getting too trapped by WIFOM fallacies) say they're probably alright. I'm a little weirded out by Flushy and roid suddenly contributing more than random lynches 😵
How/Why?
Lynch SAR
I feel good about her being a villager
I feel good about her being a villager
Official Day 4 Missy Elliot Lynch Tally
grebes (2) - Frosty, Miz
SAR (2) - grebes, Barks
FTF (1) - acan
Barks (2) - SAR, Dolphin
dubz (2) - Nav, cubs
allie (1) - dubz
10/13
lynch close in ~1 hr
@grebes4lyfe, @SARdoghandler, @Barkley13, and @WildZoo you are in the lead!
Missing: @Mad Jack @allieh8607 @Dr. ForgotToFlush
grebes (2) - Frosty, Miz
SAR (2) - grebes, Barks
FTF (1) - acan
Barks (2) - SAR, Dolphin
dubz (2) - Nav, cubs
allie (1) - dubz
10/13
lynch close in ~1 hr
@grebes4lyfe, @SARdoghandler, @Barkley13, and @WildZoo you are in the lead!
Missing: @Mad Jack @allieh8607 @Dr. ForgotToFlush
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Interactions with pip. I'll expand more when I can but may not be until after lynch close tonight unfortunatelyWhat is it about Barks play that has them in three of your Wolfy scenarios?
Speaking of which, not to be selfish or anything but I'd like to stick around as I head into radiology next (barf) and I'd like to have something to distract me from the awful for a little bit, if anyone is looking for reasons to break the tie one way or another lol
Are we headed to IHOP tonight folks?
I smell waffles!
I smell waffles!
Unlynch Dr. ForgotToFlush Lynch SARDogHandler
Lynch SAR
Lynch closed; result pending
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Final Day 4 Missy Elliot Lynch Tally
grebes (2) - Frosty, Miz
SAR (4) - grebes, Barks, acan, MJ
FTF () -
Barks (2) - SAR, Dolphin
dubz (2) - Nav, cubs
allie (1) - dubz
11/13
Missing: allie, FTF
grebes (2) - Frosty, Miz
SAR (4) - grebes, Barks, acan, MJ
FTF () -
Barks (2) - SAR, Dolphin
dubz (2) - Nav, cubs
allie (1) - dubz
11/13
Missing: allie, FTF
Wow I get home for the first time in a month and y'all lynch me in the time I took to say hi to my boyfriend and dog??
ROOD
ROOD
Oh, but wait...
VALLA SAYS AWOOOOOOOO
VALLA SAYS AWOOOOOOOO
*insert boom gif later when I'm on a computer or something*
D
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Assuming this is a ww brag.
What made you feel like SAR was a safe place to lynch?
We don't know how many wolves there are, do we? Typical numbers would make me think 4 but not sure if this game would have "typical" numbers. In any case I'll work with 4 until we see evidence otherwise.
So wolf teams I'm evaluating -
A: Pip/MJ/frosty/dolphin
B: Pip/MJ/frosty/barks
C: Pip/MJ/barks/grebes
D: Pip/MJ/barks/cubs
That's just for fun though and because I can't resist that kind of analysis, even though . I think we're pretty safe lynching allie, probably safe lynching SAR and I'm just paranoid about voting/agreeing with two of my wolf reads. Miz and Nav I feel a little less safe about but statistics (and in Nav's case, not getting too trapped by WIFOM fallacies) say they're probably alright. I'm a little weirded out by Flushy and roid suddenly contributing more than random lynches 😵
How/Why?
What made you feel like SAR was a safe place to lynch?
Assuming this is a ww brag.
What made you feel like SAR was a safe place to lynch?
How dare you insult my dog by not being totally convinced she is howling like the watered down wolf she is?
(also how dare you not like the post for the lulz, I worked really hard to get it right 😛 )
D
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1 in: MJ
Take to endgame
1 minimum in:
frosty
dolphin
cubs
allieh
Keep alive as long as possible
SO 1 likely in:
SARdoghandler
acanthuroidei
Navilly
mizchiefmanaged
Barkley13
grebes4lyfe
WildZoo
im trying to math it rn but i think you can literally lynch all 4 in the second group and win
depends on how many wolves are actually in that group
but let's say 1
13 alive and after 4 lynches that takes you to
5 alive with two wolves alive
so this is the exact opposite of how i thought it would go and is completely non-ideal since there's probs a chance of more than 1?
maybe
so just ignore that completely
so the job for tonight is to
read all posts between those 4 in the second group as well as all of pippy's & mj's posts
and then see who can be aligned with each other
not find wolves, but rule out possible w/w worlds
because if you have a b c and e
and a cant be wolves with b c and e because of whatever spewy interactions you dig up
then either a is a wolf
or it's some combination of b c and e
meaning a maximum of 3 wolves
now returning to thing i said to ignore
if you have a maximum of 3 wolves and you flip 1
then youve either flipped someone you ruled out in worlds with everyone else
OR you flipped someone in the group of 3 and you cleared the one you ruled out instead
which means that looking into these associations among the pippy wagon
provides what's basically a safety net
now ahem
Ordinarily I'd do this myself and read all those posts since it's only 6 isos
but i dont like this site's iso feature :x
SO DOES ANYONE WANNA VOLUNTEER TO DO IT FOR ME so i dont have to
so with that
you do this world building thing, and then you decide who is more village than who
where the actual mafia reads come into play
seeing that they most likely will since i cant rig a group nor can i guarantee only 1 wolf (people were voting pippy for ****all)
so yes
group 2 needs to be sorted per associations and then tone
maybe you find 2 villagers in that group, maybe you find 1
BUT YOU DONT PRESS YOUR LUCK
you put all the focus into the third group since if there's 2 wolves in the pippy voters, the last group has to be all town, or mj is town
you decide which is more likely
Super helpful, appreciate this breakdown of your math. I’m actually a fan of the math *shrug* and having it laid out like this is super convenient.
D
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How dare you insult my dog by not being totally convinced she is howling like the watered down wolf she is?
(also how dare you not like the post for the lulz, I worked really hard to get it right 😛 )
Heart eyes given as your pupper is adorable and I give props for timing this nicely to get the picture at that moment and having it to post 🤣
Heart eyes given as your pupper is adorable and I give props for timing this nicely to get the picture at that moment and having it to post 🤣
I only had to take 86 pictures like "DAMMIT VALLA, SPEAK. I'M ON A TIME CRUNCH HERE"
D
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I only had to take 86 pictures like "DAMMIT VALLA, SPEAK. I'M ON A TIME CRUNCH HERE"
Make them into a gif and post in place of your explosion gif.
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