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wrong. They're pushing for more corporate set-asides for HR hires and useless "outreach" grifts.

If you can't see that the people in the streets are pawns, you haven't been paying attention. Some very powerful entities egged on the BLM/Antifa riots; entities that, a decade ago, self-proclaimed "liberals" claimed to oppose via Occupy Wall Street and similar movements.

RE: the t-shirt, show me four other people with that t-shirt on in DC that day. Its wearer is a statistical irrelevancy.
Yes one person being an anti Semitic POS means nothing. But if you’re so far down the delusional rabbit hole of thinking it was Antifa storming the capital and not a mix of trump supporting white supremacists then sense left you behind a few stops ago.
 
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I certainly won't defend the use of racial epithets - which are always wrong - but a few points:

-The Confederate Flag has been historically repurposed by wide swaths of rural communities to represent opposition to the federal government. Yes, I understand that its original meaning was quite different, but historical symbols and ideas are "repurposed" and repackaged all the time - an example of which would be the social acceptability of the Abrahamic religions, the not-so-ancient iterations/implementations of which would be totally unacceptable by modern standards.

-The "OK" symbol is a troll created by 4chan or Reddit. It has no meaning other than to rile up Karens. BTW, there's a growing understanding that the convenient absence of a sense of humor on left-wingers' parts is nothing more than a dishonest tactic. (Either that, or some people really do need laugh-track cues.)

-The piece about the "shaman's" tattoos is about five degrees removed from making an actual point. Maybe we should all stop wearing Hanes because there are Nazis and Antifa that wear the brand.
 
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I certainly won't defend the use of racial epithets - which are always wrong - but a few points:

-The Confederate Flag has been historically repurposed by wide swaths of rural communities to represent opposition to the federal government. Yes, I understand that its original meaning was quite different, but historical symbols and ideas are "repurposed" and repackaged all the time - an example of which would be the social acceptability of the Abrahamic religions, the ancient iterations/implementations of which would be totally unacceptable by modern standards.

-The "OK" symbol is a troll created by 4chan or Reddit. It has no meaning other than to rile up Karens.

-The piece about the "shaman's" tattoos is about five degrees removed from making an actual point. Maybe we should all stop wearing Hanes because there are Nazis and Antifa that wear the brand.

The confederate flag now and then is still racist, hence why every southern state is removing it from their flags or their capitol buildings. The OK symbol is an obvious white power sign when used by groups like the proud boys. Chansley has those tatts because they’re repurposed insignia, in the style of / inspired by how the SS used Runic insignia.

But keep engaging in apologetics for these dudes. It’s a good look.
 
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The confederate flag now and then is still racist, hence why every southern state is removing it from their flags or their capitol buildings. The OK symbol is an obvious white power sign when used by groups like the proud boys. Chansley has those tatts because they’re repurposed insignia, in the style of / inspired by how the SS used Runic insignia.

But keep engaging in apologetics for these dudes. It’s a good look.

A flag without words is not "racist"; it represents whatever idea is imparted to it by its bearers. The fact that Southern states are stumbling over themselves to bow to the mob speaks about nothing but the legislatures' characters.

The Proud Boys group is explicitly, deliberately multiracial. Its former leader, Gavin McInnes, is married to an American Indian woman.

The mainstream Left provides cover and excuses for Antifa, a terrorist group that brandishes the hammer and sickle, a symbol used by a political ideology even deadlier than Nazism. Do you castigate the Left with equally emphatic terms?
 
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A flag without words is not "racist"; it represents whatever idea is imparted to it by its bearers. The fact that Southern states are stumbling over themselves to bow to the mob speaks about nothing but the legislatures' characters.

The Proud Boys group is explicitly, deliberately multiracial. Its former leader, Gavin McInnes, is married to an American Indian woman.

The mainstream Left provides cover and excuses for Antifa, a terrorist group that brandishes the hammer and sickle, a symbol used by a political ideology even deadlier than Nazism. Do you castigate the Left with equally emphatic terms?
How embarrassing for you. Obviously, no response to the fact that the OK symbol when used by those groups is a known racist sign. No response to the fact that neonazi groups repurpose viking and norse symbols.

Just deflection and whataboutism in defense of racist insurrectionists. Sad.
 
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Tangentially, the 20th century history of the confederate flag is somewhat interesting. It's *always* been racist, and any claim to be a "states' rights" symbol has always just been pretty thinly veiled “Lost Cause” segregationist nonsense.




 
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How embarrassing for you. Obviously, no response to the fact that the OK symbol when used by those groups is a known racist sign. No response to the fact that neonazi groups repurpose viking and norse symbols.

Just deflection and whataboutism. Sad.

What the f*** does "known racist sign" mean?

Ok, so some Neo-Nazis get Viking and Norse tattoos. Therefore... nobody else is allowed to get them anymore? People who have historical connections to those symbols should allow them to be appropriated and commandeered by Neo-Nazis?

"Whataboutism" definition: the calling-out of left-wing hypocrisy
 

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What the f*** does "known racist sign" mean?

Ok, so some Neo-Nazis get Viking and Norse tattoos. Therefore... nobody else is allowed to get them anymore? People who have historical connections to those symbols should allow them to be appropriated by Neo-Nazis?

"Whataboutism" definition: the calling-out of left-wing hypocrisy
It means exactly what I said, genius. When used by white supremacist groups or the racist trolls on 8chan or whatever, it's a known racist sign. Just like 1488 is only a number. Until it's used by a neonazi.

Is there some way I can say it even simpler for you?
 
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It means exactly what I said, genius. When used by white supremacist groups or the racist trolls on 8chan or whatever, it's a known racist sign. Just like 1488 is only a number. Until it's used by a neonazi.

Is there some way I can say it even simpler for you?

It's a troll. A crude joke. Welcome to the Generation Z internet age. As I wrote above, maybe you need a laugh track to recognize when someone's making a joke (funny or not).
 

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It's a troll. A crude joke. Welcome to the Generation Z internet age. As I wrote above, maybe you need a laugh track to recognize when someone's making a joke (funny or not).
Yeah, those dudes flashing the OK symbol before they stormed the capitol was fcking hilarious
 
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What the f*** does "known racist sign" mean?

Ok, so some Neo-Nazis get Viking and Norse tattoos. Therefore... nobody else is allowed to get them anymore? People who have historical connections to those symbols should allow them to be appropriated and commandeered by Neo-Nazis?

"Whataboutism" definition: the calling-out of left-wing hypocrisy
Same could be said for swastikas. And in the context of domestic terrorists who align with white supremacy goes, I think his argument is very fair.
 

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It's a troll. A crude joke. Welcome to the Generation Z internet age. As I wrote above, maybe you need a laugh track to recognize when someone's making a joke (funny or not).
People circle jerking on what essentially is the internet’s rectum, writing things they’d get their ass kicked in public for isn’t a joke. It’s cowardice.
 

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Not from the daily beast or from wapo, but from AP

 
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People circle jerking on what essentially is the internet’s rectum, writing things they’d get their ass kicked in public for isn’t a joke. It’s cowardice.

It is a joke. The fact that you or I may not find it funny doesn't change that. Though triggering Karens really is funny. I remember when one started screeching at me in the street because I wasn't wearing a mask outside. Good times.
 
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Commentary: A new analysis of state revenue and spending reveals that oil and natural gas production and development on federal lands in New Mexico accounted for $1.5 billion in revenue and 18% of total state spending in fiscal year 2020.
Nearly a third of the state’s land is owned by the U.S. government and much of it overlies the Permian Basin, the world’s most productive oil field. Revenues from drilling on federal lands there soared 85% over the last decade to $707 million in 2020 - making up about a tenth of the state’s total budget. Much of that money goes to its schools.

President Joe Biden’s Jan. 27 order to pause oil and gas leasing on federal lands hit Wyoming on Friday as the BLM postponed the auction of 383 parcels covering almost half a million acres. The state-commissioned drilling-ban impact report by a University of Wyoming energy economics professor predicts production and investment losses in Wyoming, plus the lost tax revenue, would amount to $640 billion through 2040. Author Tim Considine prepared the 66-page review in December more than a month before Biden paused leasing for “a comprehensive review” of the nationwide system.

Univeristy of Wyoming energy economic professor Timothy Considine estimated Colorado would lose $586 million a year between 2021 and 2025 with a moratorium on new leases on public land and $700 million a year in those five years under an outright ban on drilling.
 
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Commentary: A new analysis of state revenue and spending reveals that oil and natural gas production and development on federal lands in New Mexico accounted for $1.5 billion in revenue and 18% of total state spending in fiscal year 2020.
Nearly a third of the state’s land is owned by the U.S. government and much of it overlies the Permian Basin, the world’s most productive oil field. Revenues from drilling on federal lands there soared 85% over the last decade to $707 million in 2020 - making up about a tenth of the state’s total budget. Much of that money goes to its schools.

President Joe Biden’s Jan. 27 order to pause oil and gas leasing on federal lands hit Wyoming on Friday as the BLM postponed the auction of 383 parcels covering almost half a million acres. The state-commissioned drilling-ban impact report by a University of Wyoming energy economics professor predicts production and investment losses in Wyoming, plus the lost tax revenue, would amount to $640 billion through 2040. Author Tim Considine prepared the 66-page review in December more than a month before Biden paused leasing for “a comprehensive review” of the nationwide system.

Univeristy of Wyoming energy economic professor Timothy Considine estimated Colorado would lose $586 million a year between 2021 and 2025 with a moratorium on new leases on public land and $700 million a year in those five years under an outright ban on drilling.
You've got a case of mistaking correlation with causation if you think Keystone getting canceled or a possible future moratorium single-handedly made crude (and thus gasoline prices) rise.

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You've got a case of mistaking correlation with causation if you think Keystone getting canceled or a possible future moratorium single-handedly made crude (and thus gasoline prices) rise.

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I never said singlehandedly but it sure doesn't help. Decreased supply will assuredly lead to higher prices over time. Also, what would you say to the people in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, California, etc. when they raise taxes to make up for all the lost revenue from oil and gas production?
 

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Tell that to the people in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, California, etc. when they raise taxes to make up for all the lost revenue from oil and gas production.
I said nothing about the local economic hit they might take.

You posted a picture of a rising gas prices headline right under a Biden suspends new drilling permit headline. The two have virtually nothing to do with each other- because crude is mostly tied to the strength of the global economy and what OPEC members are doing. That is all.

e since you edited your post: yes, decreased supply might make prices go up. But without fail that supply change only has any teeth when the cartel known as OPEC flexes. The US produces 12-15% of the world’s oil, a commodity that trades on the global market- we can’t do much unilaterally via price fixing.
 
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wrong. They're pushing for more corporate set-asides for HR hires and useless "outreach" grifts.

If you can't see that the people in the streets are pawns, you haven't been paying attention. Some very powerful entities egged on the BLM/Antifa riots; entities that, a decade ago, self-proclaimed "liberals" claimed to oppose via Occupy Wall Street and similar movements.

RE: the t-shirt, show me four other people with that t-shirt on in DC that day. Its wearer is a statistical irrelevancy.
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Also, you should be aware that the renaissance that occurred in American oil production occurred in the Bakken and Permian Basin, which are quite expensive places from which to extract crude. Oil prices *need* to be $50-60+ per barrel for many of these producers (esp the smaller ones) to not go out of business let alone make a profit.
 
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I said nothing about the local economic hit they might take.

You posted a picture of a rising gas prices headline right under a Biden suspends new drilling permit headline. The two have virtually nothing to do with each other- because crude is mostly tied to the strength of the global economy and what OPEC members are doing. That is all.

e since you edited your post: yes, decreased supply might make prices go up. But without fail that supply change only has any teeth when the cartel known as OPEC flexes. The US produces 12-15% of the world’s oil, a commodity that trades on the global market- we can’t do much unilaterally via price fixing.
Saudi Arabia, which controls about one-third of OPEC's total oil reserves, plays a leading role in the organization. Saudi Arabia is the heart of OPEC .

Joe Biden has announced an end to US support for Saudi-led offensive operations in Yemen, as part of a broad reshaping of American foreign policy.
In his first foreign policy speech as president, Biden signaled that the US would no longer be an unquestioning ally to the Gulf monarchies.
 
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A flag without words is not "racist"; it represents whatever idea is imparted to it by its bearers. The fact that Southern states are stumbling over themselves to bow to the mob speaks about nothing but the legislatures' characters.

The Proud Boys group is explicitly, deliberately multiracial. Its former leader, Gavin McInnes, is married to an American Indian woman.

The mainstream Left provides cover and excuses for Antifa, a terrorist group that brandishes the hammer and sickle, a symbol used by a political ideology even deadlier than Nazism. Do you castigate the Left with equally emphatic terms?
Yeah, they're being arrested because they're good people without a dangerous agenda


If you read through Foreign Policy, Brookings Institution briefs, and other legitimate analyses of the domestic terrorism situation in the United States, right-wing extremism is by far deemed to be a greater threat, with left-wing terrorism given nary a mention. This is because in *legitimate policy circles* outside of the media echo chambers, it is very clear that left wingers present little real threat to safety or democracy for numerous reasons. The right is armed, ideologically more cohesive, looking for a tipping point at which they can feel the flag has been waves to engage in violence, and orgamized. The more fringe left is a bunch of people that want to punch Nazis and occasionally tag a target, with minimal to no organization, no ideological center, little armament, and no cause that could be triggered by a single event which could result in mass violence due to their ideological incohesiveness. Comparing the two is like comparing hand grenades to firecrackers, it's legitimately stupid to anyone in the know.

With regard to your antifascist boogeyman:

 
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Also, you should be aware that the renaissance that occurred in American oil production occurred in the Bakken and Permian Basin, which are quite expensive places from which to extract crude. Oil prices *need* to be $50-60+ per barrel for many of these producers (esp the smaller ones) to not go out of business let alone make a profit.
The price of crude was intentionally driven down by Russia and OPEC to crush America's booming fracking industry. Fracking can't survive under the $60 price point, so the goal was to keep prices low long enough to bankrupt fracking companies then lower production again to get crude high enough to increase profits but not so high that fracking recovers
 
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Saudi Arabia, which controls about one-third of OPEC's total oil reserves, plays a leading role in the organization. Saudi Arabia is the heart of OPEC .

Joe Biden has announced an end to US support for Saudi-led offensive operations in Yemen, as part of a broad reshaping of American foreign policy.
In his first foreign policy speech as president, Biden signaled that the US would no longer be an unquestioning ally to the Gulf monarchies.
OK? Again, two uncorrelated things. Saudi has been sparring with Russia over oil prices since last year


“OPEC, Russia and other oil major producers reached an unusual agreement on production quotas on Tuesday, with Saudi Arabia committing to reducing its oil production by one million barrels a day and Russia and Kazakhstan winning relatively modest production increases.

The effect will be an overall reduction in oil production. The news pushed prices up more than 4 percent, reaching levels not seen since February. Brent crude rose past $53 a barrel, and West Texas Intermediate exceeded $50 as traders welcomed the Saudi willingness to give up some barrels in an effort to stabilize the market.

The difficulty in reaching consensus at the meeting of the OPEC Plus group appeared to show that cooperation between Saudi Arabia, the de facto leader of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, and Russia is once again under considerable strain. That tension could be a harbinger of difficulties in restraining production in the coming months.

Finding that they were unable to head off Russia’s demand for a production increase, Saudi Arabia appears to have largely given in to preserve at least a semblance of unity”



 
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Anyone who claims all the major networks’ prime time opinion shows have this level of unrelenting lying are either totally ignorant or also themselves lying
 
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Yeah, they're being arrested because they're good people without a dangerous agenda


If you read through Foreign Policy, Brookings Institution briefs, and other legitimate analyses of the domestic terrorism situation in the United States, right-wing extremism is by far deemed to be a greater threat, with left-wing terrorism given nary a mention. This is because in *legitimate policy circles* outside of the media echo chambers, it is very clear that left wingers present little real threat to safety or democracy for numerous reasons. The right is armed, ideologically more cohesive, looking for a tipping point at which they can feel the flag has been waves to engage in violence, and orgamized. The more fringe left is a bunch of people that want to punch Nazis and occasionally tag a target, with minimal to no organization, no ideological center, little armament, and no cause that could be triggered by a single event which could result in mass violence due to their ideological incohesiveness. Comparing the two is like comparing hand grenades to firecrackers, it's legitimately stupid to anyone in the know.

With regard to your antifascist boogeyman:


Why are we supposed to care about what left-wing think tanks have to spout about these so-called threats? I've written it before, and I'll write it again: every single window broken, item stolen, police car vandalized, and officer attacked in the BLM/Antifa riots last year was an act of terrorism by the official definition. GTFOH if you expect people to believe that the majority of terrorism is committed by right-wingers. The fact that an occasional right-wing nutjob commits a violent, terroristic act that gets media attention doesn't negate the fact that left-wing terrorism has become far more of a player, and happens to be much more effective wrt enlistment of corporations and governmental entities.

And no, I'm not going to post every single corporate social media post expressing "solidarity" with the rioters (oops, I mean the "peaceful protesters" enjoying their carbecues) this past spring-fall. Anyone reading this who has IG, FB, or Twitter saw them. And to those who abstain from social media, good for you and your sanity.
 
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Why are we supposed to care about what left-wing think tanks have to spout about these so-called threats? I've written it before, and I'll write it again: every single window broken, item stolen, police car vandalized, and officer attacked in the BLM/Antifa riots last year was an act of terrorism by the official definition. GTFOH if you expect people to believe that the majority of terrorism is committed by right-wingers. The fact that an occasional right-wing nutjob commits a violent, terroristic act that gets media attention doesn't negate the fact that left-wing terrorism has become far more of a player, and happens to be much more effective wrt enlistment of corporations and governmental entities.
Oh, you’re not worried about what think tanks say? How about what trump’s own DHS and his trumpy acting secretary of homeland security said?

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Looking forward to see how you try to handwave this one away too
 

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Oh, you’re not worried about what think tanks say? How about what trump’s own DHS and his trumpy acting secretary of homeland security said?

No, I'm not worried about what they had to say. Thanks for asking. The US is an empire in decline. The attendant corruption is expected.
 

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Why are we supposed to care about what left-wing think tanks have to spout about these so-called threats? I've written it before, and I'll write it again: every single window broken, item stolen, police car vandalized, and officer attacked in the BLM/Antifa riots last year was an act of terrorism by the official definition. GTFOH if you expect people to believe that the majority of terrorism is committed by right-wingers. The fact that an occasional right-wing nutjob commits a violent, terroristic act that gets media attention doesn't negate the fact that left-wing terrorism has become far more of a player, and happens to be much more effective wrt enlistment of corporations and governmental entities.

And no, I'm not going to post every single corporate social media post expressing "solidarity" with the rioters this past spring-fall. Anyone reading this who has IG, FB, or Twitter saw them. And to those who abstain from social media, good for you and your sanity.
Foreign Policy and the Brookings Institution are solidly centrist by any measure, and if you are unaware of this you're clearly just a partisan sheep or simply uneducated with regard to policy




Left-wing terorism just isn't a deadly threat in the past few decades, but right-wing terrorism is a well-established threat to both American lives and democracy at this time and anyone in *actual policy circles and who doesn't just follow sensationalist news* is well aware of this fact
 

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And no, I'm not going to post every single corporate social media post expressing "solidarity" with the rioters (oops, I mean the "peaceful protesters" enjoying their carbecues) this past spring-fall. Anyone reading this who has IG, FB, or Twitter saw them. And to those who abstain from social media, good for you and your sanity.

Odds are you’re also not going to post the repeated tweets or posts or interviews from Biden and other dem politicians, Al Sharpton, or the families of Breonna Taylor or George Floyd begging for peaceful protests because a small number of rioters distracts from the message.

Because then you couldn’t keep gaslighting everyone.

No, I'm not worried about what they had to say. Thanks for asking.

I get it. Head in the sand is a much easier approach to life.
 
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Odds are you’re also not going to post the repeated tweets and posts from Biden and other dem politicians, Al Sharpton, or the families of Breonna Taylor or George Floyd begging for peaceful protests because a small number of rioters distracts from the message.

Because then you couldn’t keep gaslighting everyone.



I get it. Head in the sand is a much easier approach to life.

Good for them. Do those tweets and posts change the fact that left-wingers committed thousands (probably tens of thousands) of acts of terrorism this past spring-fall? No, they do not.
 

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Good for them. Do those tweets and posts change the fact that left-wingers committed thousands (probably tens of thousands) of acts of terrorism this past spring-fall? No, they do not.
Good goal post move attempt, but you just lied by stating that corporations purposefully showed solidarity with rioters. No corporation did that. D politicians, activists, and families of victims also didn’t do that. Stop lying.
 
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Good for them. Do those tweets and posts change the fact that left-wingers committed thousands (probably tens of thousands) of acts of terrorism this past spring-fall? No, they do not.
Show any tweets from any mainstream politicians or corporations supporting rioters. Oh right, you can't because it didn't happen
 

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Antifa is literally just antifascists. They have no political goals aside from disrupting fascists. The idea that they're radical leftists is ridiculous, they have a lot of different ideas and beliefs (though most are anarchists) but are brought together by one thing- hating white supremacists, fascists, and Nazis. The only people that need to be concerned about antifa are fascists and racists, it's ridiculous that this has even become a thing. In Europe they've been around since prior to WWII and they literally only show up for one thing- dressing in black to punch fascists and racists in the tradition of Cable Street. We didn't have them here because until recently we didn't have real fascists, but alas, we've allowed those desiring right-wing totalitarianism to thrive so they popped up to counter them

I remember that you posted this months ago, before I went on break from this thread. I've added the bolding for emphasis. Just to clarify, you don't support the aforementioned political violence (i.e., terrorism), right?
 

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