Since when does med school= nursing?

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although i do hate farmacists more than nurses. coz they like to argue with me about things like.."since when dentists can prescribe controlled substances?????!"
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O Grady said:
I saw this little gem on my news feed this morning:

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I hope you know (or come to know) that this type of behavior is aberrant; most nurses don't withhold orders just to piss off the physician. If I ever caught someone doing it, there would be a "Come to Jesus" meeting.

I wish I knew where this conversation was on FB, because I would try to jump into it in a heartbeat.
 
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fab4fan said:
I hope you know (or come to know) that this type of behavior is aberrant; most nurses don't withhold orders just to piss off the physician. If I ever caught someone doing it, there would be a "Come to Jesus" meeting.

I wish I knew where this conversation was on FB, because I would try to jump into it in a heartbeat.
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I know…I was totally tempted to find out who the SDN user was, and mine his FB page for this post. :p
 
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Winged Scapula said:
I suppose if you and I looked more "doctor-y" then it would be less of an issue.
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How would women try to look more doctory? Start growing facial hair and gain a potbelly?
 
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O Grady said:
When I checked it earlier it was up to 22 :thumbdown:
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Hating physicians is a national pastime. If it wasn't, the New York Times would have a hard time filling it's pages and blog space.
 
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DermViser said:
How would women try to look more doctory? Start growing facial hair and gain a potbelly?
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Ha ha…that would probably do it.

For females, the stereotypical appearance is more librarian: glasses, hair worn in a tight bun, prison matron shoes (not pink!!), "serviceable" clothes. Ya know "serious" which is perhaps not conveyed with hot pink butterfly wing shoes.
 
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Winged Scapula said:
Serious. I love NYT but feel like its every other week there's some lame article about how physicians suck.
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Exactly. They do have great articles but almost every voice re: physicians criticizes them: they make too much money, they're greedy, they're selfish, they make mistakes, they have bad bedside manner, they do too many procedures, they game the reimbursement system, they mistreat nurses (Theresa Brown's column), they're the reason healthcare costs are out of control, specialists make too much money, concierge docs suck/selfish/greedy, NPs listen to you much better and have better outcomes too!, doctors should work on the weekends too, etc. is given a voice, and the numerous commenters who take the time to comment actually agree with the anti-physician sentiment, thus feeding into it. But you know when something happens to them or their family, they will go straight to the physician, the person they apparently hate so much.

When the article on hospital CEOs making more than doctors came out, I had to check twice that it was still the NY Times, bc it never happens.
 
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Winged Scapula said:
Ha ha…that would probably do it.

For females, the stereotypical appearance is more librarian: glasses, hair worn in a tight bun, prison matron shoes (not pink!!), "serviceable" clothes. Ya know "serious" which is perhaps not conveyed with hot pink butterfly wing shoes.
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What about knee-high leather boots and a leather corset?
 
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Winged Scapula said:
Why is "student doctor" pretentious?

After all, I can verify that nursing students are referred to as "student nurse"; the OR tech students are "student techs" etc. Are those pretentious?
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1. People refer to doctors as "Dr. ___." Very few people refer to their nurse as "Nurse ____."

2. It was stressed at my school not to chain questions because if you ask "Do you have x, y or z?" most patients will hear "Do you have blah, blah, or z?" and only answer in regards to z. Similarly "Student doctor ___" is going to be heard as "Blah Dr. ____."
 
Siggy said:
1. People refer to doctors as "Dr. ___." Very few people refer to their nurse as "Nurse ____."

2. It was stressed at my school not to chain questions because if you ask "Do you have x, y or z?" most patients will hear "Do you have blah, blah, or z?" and only answer in regards to z. Similarly "Student doctor ___" is going to be heard as "Blah Dr. ____."
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I think we should start referring to people as Nurse ____, Tech ____, Respiratory Therapist _________ etc. It would be a lot less confusing for the patient trying to figure out who is who since everyone is dressed in the same generic white coat or scrubs.
 
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Hospitals in England (not sure if it is the same for the whole of the Uk) have their badges and lanyards with a colour according to a key. That key can be found anywhere in the hospital on the walls.
 
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Siggy said:
1. People refer to doctors as "Dr. ___." Very few people refer to their nurse as "Nurse ____."

2. It was stressed at my school not to chain questions because if you ask "Do you have x, y or z?" most patients will hear "Do you have blah, blah, or z?" and only answer in regards to z. Similarly "Student doctor ___" is going to be heard as "Blah Dr. ____."
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True but that doesn't make "student doctor" pretentious,
 
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syma said:
Hospitals in England (not sure if it is the same for the whole of the Uk) have their badges and lanyards with a colour according to a key. That key can be found anywhere in the hospital on the walls.
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I'd be surprised if that cleared things up. Here you can be wearing a white coat, introduce yourself as Dr, and be wearing an embroidered coat and a name badge that say Dr and you'll still get called nurse. This from patients that see dust bunnies in the corners.
 
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dr.sartorius said:
I recently spoke to my female cousin and she was complaining to me about people assuming she's in nursing school anytime someone asks her "so what do you do" or "what have you been up to." She says almost 95% of the time they respond with something like "oh my sisters a nurse too" or something about how great it is that she's becoming a nurse. She's a pretty girl, not sure if that has anything to do with it. But I think it's rather bizarre that almost everyone (who is not in medicine) thinks med school= nursing school. I assume this happens all the time too while in the hospital rotations and even when she graduates. Anyone else experience this?
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When I was an EMT and told my coworkers and the firefighters that I planned on going to medical school, the most typical response was "so nursing or PA?" I always assumed it was because they don't typically see premeds in their line of work. But the door swings both ways. When I was in college and someone said they were going to med school, I always assumed MD/DO, never PA or nursing.
 
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Winged Scapula said:
True but that doesn't make "student doctor" pretentious,
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I agree. Student doctor isn't pretentious. We are actually encouraged to use the term "student doctor" because they think it gets us in the right mindset. They also don't like us saying "I'm just a medical student"
 
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tdram said:
I agree. Student doctor isn't pretentious. We are actually encouraged to use the term "student doctor" because they think it gets us in the right mindset. They also don't like us saying "I'm just a medical student"
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Yeah my school teaches us to introduce ourselves as "Student Doctor (first name, last name)" and we actually lose points on standardized patient encounters if we don't. I think it sounds kind of awkward though and now that I'm on rotations I introduce myself by saying "my name is (first name), I'm a 3rd year medical student working with Dr. ____" or something like that.
 
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Successful BM said:
When I was an EMT and told my coworkers and the firefighters that I planned on going to medical school, the most typical response was "so nursing or PA?" I always assumed it was because they don't typically see premeds in their line of work. But the door swings both ways. When I was in college and someone said they were going to med school, I always assumed MD/DO, never PA or nursing.
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This doesn't mean the door swings both ways. Med school is for future MD/DOs. Nursing school is for future nurses. PA school is for future PAs. Don't let the public convince you that their ignorance is equal to your knowledge.
 
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Fluffy Pomeranian said:
Yeah my school teaches us to introduce ourselves as "Student Doctor (first name, last name)" and we actually lose points on standardized patient encounters if we don't. I think it sounds kind of awkward though and now that I'm on rotations I introduce myself by saying "my name is (first name), I'm a 3rd year medical student working with Dr. ____" or something like that.
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For standardized patients we are allowed to introduce ourselves as "Dr." if we want to. I tried it a couple times... it was weird...
 
Winged Scapula said:
Ha ha…that would probably do it.

For females, the stereotypical appearance is more librarian: glasses, hair worn in a tight bun, prison matron shoes (not pink!!), "serviceable" clothes. Ya know "serious" which is perhaps not conveyed with hot pink butterfly wing shoes.
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The librarian look is kinda hot though ;), that might just make matters worse when she's trying to get patients to take her seriously.
 
DermViser said:
Hating physicians is a national pastime. If it wasn't, the New York Times would have a hard time filling it's pages and blog space.
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All of my best friends (except one), are some sort of health professional. That one friend is the nicest girl in the world, but is continuously complaining that her and I should switch salaries for a day, and all of HER friends(to my face) talk about how overpaid doctors and dentists are and poor them, they work so hard at their 9-5 desk jobs and arent properly compensated for it.

Okay, go get an actual four year college degree, then do another four years of school after that, a year or a few of residencies, come out with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and THEN bitch to me about how overpaid we are.

It requires a lot of alcohol for me to spend any significant amount of time with those people.
 
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fancymylotus said:
All of my best friends (except one), are some sort of health professional. That one friend is the nicest girl in the world, but is continuously complaining that her and I should switch salaries for a day, and all of HER friends(to my face) talk about how overpaid doctors and dentists are and poor them, they work so hard at their 9-5 desk jobs and arent properly compensated for it.

Okay, go get an actual four year college degree, then do another four years of school after that, a year or a few of residencies, come out with hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and THEN bitch to me about how overpaid we are.

It requires a lot of alcohol for me to spend any significant amount of time with those people.
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It's a great tactic to get people to cave - media bullying (no matter actual facts). As far as the general public is concerned, doctors and dentists can have their seats right next to Wall Street bankers.
 
the husband of one of these people had the audacity to say the following the last time i saw them all. at a charity fundraiser run by his wife and my friend that my family and i donated a significant amount of money to, no less....

"omg! i cant believe youre actually here! its like 7PM! did you just come from your third spa appointment of the day? i mean, with your working hours of 10-4, you must get a ton of time to relax and go shopping and stuff right?? my dentist overcharges me. i think thats how he can afford to work so little!"
 
fancymylotus said:
the husband of one of these people had the audacity to say the following the last time i saw them all. at a charity fundraiser run by his wife and my friend that my family and i donated a significant amount of money to, no less....

"omg! i cant believe youre actually here! its like 7PM! did you just come from your third spa appointment of the day? i mean, with your working hours of 10-4, you must get a ton of time to relax and go shopping and stuff right?? my dentist overcharges me. i think thats how he can afford to work so little!"
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+pissed+
 
fancymylotus said:
the husband of one of these people had the audacity to say the following the last time i saw them all. at a charity fundraiser run by his wife and my friend that my family and i donated a significant amount of money to, no less....

"omg! i cant believe youre actually here! its like 7PM! did you just come from your third spa appointment of the day? i mean, with your working hours of 10-4, you must get a ton of time to relax and go shopping and stuff right?? my dentist overcharges me. i think thats how he can afford to work so little!"
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did you tell him you could have done it for way less and gave him your card? ABC!
 
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See, I have the best of both worlds. I'm a nurse and in a little while I'll also be a physician. Now nobody is wrong when they assume what I do!
 
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Beargryllz said:
See, I have the best of both worlds. I'm a nurse and in a little while I'll also be a physician. Now nobody is wrong when they assume what I do!
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Oh god, another nurse that wants to be called doctor
 
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fancymylotus said:
the husband of one of these people had the audacity to say the following the last time i saw them all. at a charity fundraiser run by his wife and my friend that my family and i donated a significant amount of money to, no less....

"omg! i cant believe youre actually here! its like 7PM! did you just come from your third spa appointment of the day? i mean, with your working hours of 10-4, you must get a ton of time to relax and go shopping and stuff right?? my dentist overcharges me. i think thats how he can afford to work so little!"
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:|
 
tdram said:
For standardized patients we are allowed to introduce ourselves as "Dr." if we want to. I tried it a couple times... it was weird...
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I still find it utterly bizarre. I look over my shoulder for my dad every time someone calls me "Dr. VisionaryTics".
 
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ChEMD said:
Do students actually introduce themselves as student doctor? Sounds quite pretentious to me.
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I introduce myself this way. There may be some people who feel it is pretentious, but they're probably jack-asses and I don't really give a damn what they think. People who hold that sort of thing against you aren't very likely to be friendly anyway.

To me, what you say matters far less than how you say it.

Having said all that, @Ismet gave an excellent reason not to say student doctor, and I might stop introducing myself this way.
 
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