SOAP 2019 Thread

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No emails or no calls 🙁( I'm losing hope 🙁
Remember, y'all, that the system was so unusable yesterday for most of the program directors that they were unable to go through your applications. A few were able to put out some calls last night. I think today will be the busy calling day.
 
Hey everyone, I made a google survey to gauge how many phone calls and emails people have been receiving. Someone did this last year. I found this might be helpful to alleviate some anxiety. Let me know if this works.

Psychiatry: Psych
Transitional Year: TY
Prelim-Medicine: Prelim-Medicine
Prelim-Surgical: Prelim-Surgery
Anesthesiology: Anesthesiology
Dermatology: Derm
EM: Emergency Med
FM: Family Med
Internal Medicine: Internal Med
Neurology: Neuro
Pathology: Pathology
Pediatrics: Peds
PM&R: PMR
Radiology: Rads

Good luck everyone!!

can you add obgyn and obgyn prelim? thanks for setting this up!
 
Non-US IMG here (permanent resident of the US though). Got 1 phone interview last night for categorical IM. The interview went well and the Doctor seemed very enthusiastic about certain aspects of my application that would fit well with their program and something along the lines of talking to me again in the next couple days.

I was wondering if I should send an email to that Doctor thanking them again for the call and reiterating my interest in their program? Any advice with regards to this would be helpful!
 
Non-US IMG here (permanent resident of the US though). Got 1 phone interview last night for categorical IM. The interview went well and the Doctor seemed very enthusiastic about certain aspects of my application that would fit well with their program and something along the lines of talking to me again in the next couple days.

I was wondering if I should send an email to that Doctor thanking them again for the call and reiterating my interest in their program? Any advice with regards to this would be helpful!
You should definitely send a thank you email and indirectly express your interest like how much you would love to be in the program and add some non medical conversation you had with the PD during the interview in the email.
 
during soap, do programs just take only those with a high score and recent YOG? I have average scores and not a recent YOG.
 
Any plans if today we don't get any call? or only waiting. I am kind of tired to stare my computer. I didn't go to the gym , go to the bathroom with my cellphone.
 
i got an email informing me that they will be calling like 2 hrs ago... idk if they forgot about me
 
No calls thus far. I am AMG and graduated last year. 3 months of internship left with nowhere to go. I am living a nightmare.
 
Although it might feel that way, this isn't exactly true. In fact, it's the opposite.

There are many more SOAP applicants than SOAP spots. So, at the end of the process (regardless of what process we use), there will be candidates with no spots, but all spots will be filled by candidates. So, in that way, the "power" is in the hands of programs.

But, with the way SOAP works, programs can only offer the number of spots they have, and then applicants can get multiple offers, pick one, and that leaves programs open for another round. So, actually, applicants have much more "power" in SOAP than programs.

Kinda depends upon how you look at it, and how you define "power".



Yes. Post SOAP, the unfilled list becomes open and you can contact anyone you want, any way you want. However, not all programs will fill all slots, so even if the list says a program has an open spot, they may not. You contact programs via email/phone, and ask if they are still accepting applications for their open spot. Be prepared for lots of negative answers.



First, you didn't "mess up the match". If you ranked all 14 programs and didn't match, you wouldn't have matched no matter what order the rank list was. I don't know what happened that you didn't match -- that's worth pursuing if you don't SOAP successfully (and perhaps worth exploring in any case). You should see if there are any friendly programs that could give you feedback on your interviews. If you have a "home program" that's the best place to start, they might give you feedback. But I would wait until SOAP is over.

Regarding SOAP strategy, I agree that you should be 100% positive with every interview. regardless of your real feelings on the matter, you want to ensure as many offers as possible. Yes, this puts your own interests in front of "what's best for everyone" but that's the way the world is. The match is designed to deal with this problem, but not SOAP. So if you're asked, every program is your top choice -- and that's true, because it might be your only choice. It's unfair of programs to ask you.

That said, I understand why programs ask. You don't want to offer spots to people who won't take them, because then you might lose your 2nd choice to another program that offers them in the 1st round. But that's life.



Same as above, you want all programs to think you're their #1, and only, choice.



Yes, it is. And we don't find out whom we got until Thursday (although unless the NRMP changes that cutoff, we will now know before the 2nd round). If you're sure your partner matched there (he/she ranked it #1 - in that case they matched there unless they were not ranked by the program), you should put that somewhere in your application, presumably in the PS.

Everyone here needs to read this post and commit it to memory. This is 100% the way each and every one of you should be approaching SOAP.

You hold the cards here (if you’re getting calls). You need to make sure every program knows they’re your #1 choice, because if they end up being the only offer you get, they are your #1 choice. And you don’t have any clue how many offers you’re going to get.

Be gracious, be positive, be pragmatic. Be honest in your answers about why your didn’t match (programs will know why, they want to see if you know why). But know that the program is just as wounded as you are. If they went infilled, then multiple people decided not to rank them, or they interviewed above their “pay grade” so to speak, and didn’t interview enough applicants. Regardless, you didn’t match, but they didn’t fill. If the interview goes well, and you think they’re interested, it’s probably OK to tactfully ask why they think it happened.

But for the love of everything holy, let them know you love them and want to attend their program. Now’s not the time to be bashful about it.

Every program wants to fill in round 1, so even if you’re #2 on paper, if they feel you’ll accept their offer while their #1 might not, it could easily top the scales in your favor. This is why aProgDirector is correct that the balance of power is very much with the applicants.
 
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i got an email informing me that they will be calling like 2 hrs ago... idk if they forgot about me

Call or email them to check in, let them know you’re eager to talk to them.

They’ve initiated contact, you can contact them now. You’re in a fight for your career here, don’t fart around with it.
 
Although it might feel that way, this isn't exactly true. In fact, it's the opposite.

There are many more SOAP applicants than SOAP spots. So, at the end of the process (regardless of what process we use), there will be candidates with no spots, but all spots will be filled by candidates. So, in that way, the "power" is in the hands of programs.

But, with the way SOAP works, programs can only offer the number of spots they have, and then applicants can get multiple offers, pick one, and that leaves programs open for another round. So, actually, applicants have much more "power" in SOAP than programs.

Kinda depends upon how you look at it, and how you define "power".

I think that is probably more true for the AMG in SOAP than the I/FMG now having to SOAP... the programs now have a choice of AMG that otherwise they may not have( the derm or ortho or optho applicant) had applying to their program...SOAP spots seem to be filled more by AMGs and those AMGs get multiple interviews and offers...the other are lucky to get 1or 2...
 
I think that is probably more true for the AMG in SOAP than the I/FMG now having to SOAP... the programs now have a choice of AMG that otherwise they may not have( the derm or ortho or optho applicant) had applying to their program...SOAP spots seem to be filled more by AMGs and those AMGs get multiple interviews and offers...the other are lucky to get 1or 2...
100% true
 
Is it possible to receive offers in the rounds even if they didnt call you?? Im a FMG with ok scores (222,241,1st pass) and no red flags. however I havent received a single phonecall or email
 
Is it possible to receive offers in the rounds even if they didnt call you?? Im a FMG with ok scores (222,241,1st pass) and no red flags. however I havent received a single phonecall or email
Possible, but unlikely. Nevertheless, every year one or two people post that exactly that happened to them. And someone else received counseling from their school that it is possible.
 
Any deal that the army has with getting people to residency who have already been to med school?
 
Thats like assuming people will rank you even if you havent IVed. Highly, highly unlikely

I spoke with my school US MD, and this is not uncommon. They said it happens half the time where there will be offers when they never contacted you. The way they explained it to me was that programs are making snap decisions because of limited time based on your app. Now when it comes to IMGs it might be different, idk how that works.
 
What if it's a residency near an urban Chinatown and they're testing to see if you're culturally competent?

I chuckled.

If only I stayed on the line long enough to find out so I can launch the mother of emotional damages lawsuits :rage:
 
If you apply to all 45 positions initially then theoretically you have more chance for PDs to look at your application. But if you leave out too many positions for later, you never gave a chance to those programs to look at your application at the start of the process.
If you wait then the number of unfilled positions are drastically reduced and more people are vying for those very limited positions later in the game. <- I assume this is not true anymore due to the presence of only 2 rounds this year.

Possible, but unlikely. Nevertheless, every year one or two people post that exactly that happened to them. And someone else received counseling from their school that it is possible.
so that's like, 1 out of 9000? assuming 9000 imgs failed to match this year.
 
Got a call from Belarus and Senegal today...don't know anyone from there, still answered thinking it might be relevant -- it wasn't :laugh:

I also got multiple calls from Belarus and it was in the middle of the night! I answered instinctively and someone was just talking in the backgroud. I actually matched so I’m not participating in SOAP, I guess they are randomly calling med students?

Also, good luck to everyone!
 
Still nothing here. I'm just a poor Hispanic medical student trying to squeeze into a primary care spot. Is that too much to ask? :laugh:
 
Nothing for me either.

Can I ask when did you guy submitted your applications for SOAP? And did you apply to all 45?
 
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