Supreme Court Ruling, Race based admissions.

[senecca]

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Presumably the reader of essays who will be aware of the race of the applicant will not be part of the final decision committee, and can only communicate to the committee without mentioning race.

Ok. I got it. Thank you for your analysis

 

[cytomegalovirus123]

Would a med school be able to be race blind through acceptance but then offer big scholarships to people that are URM?

As a URM I have not seen schools just give out money to URMs simply for their race.

 

[Stoasty]

Presumably the reader of essays who will be aware of the race of the applicant will not be part of the final decision committee, and can only communicate to the committee without mentioning race.

The Admissions Committee is present for interviews though, aren't they?

 

[NotADoctor1]

If you are from a URM background, you might organically have a longer track record and more service hours working with those populations which will make you an attractive candidate for such schools.

I really don’t think this is true. I’ve always viewed service hours as a mark of privilege. It’s time you can spend working for free rather than working for a paycheck, which people from lower SES need to do to survive through undergrad

 

[BoctorBro]

Could this mean that schools offer more interviews to students to see them face to face and indirectly make a decision from that? As mentioned earlier, this is definitely tough to enforce.

 

[futureapppsy2]

For the record: Opinion | Now Is the Time to End Legacy Admissions, for @Lawpy .

The issue here is that legacy/wealth isn’t a protected class, like race/ethnicity, even though it may serve a decent proxy for one.

 

[Goro]

The Admissions Committee is present for interviews though, aren't they?

No, just individual members, or even members who interview.

And not all members of the committee can attend meetings to decide on the fate of interviewees.

 

[Goro]

I really don’t think this is true. I’ve always viewed service hours as a mark of privilege. It’s time you can spend working for free rather than working for a paycheck, which people from lower SES need to do to survive through undergrad

Not all URM premeds are having to work 24/7. The kids I interview have managed to do it, even when working and attending school.

 

[deleted1166622]

No, just individual members, or even members who interview.

And not all members of the committee can attend meetings to decide on the fate of interviewees.

Has your school sent anything out about what approach is going to be done for this cycle when it comes to choosing applicants?

 

[FutureInternist]

Political and religious diversity are also not given fair consideration. One does not dare comment on conservative religious beliefs , or they will never be accepted to certain medical schools.

I mentioned volunteering at a mosque.
When receiving some feedback about the interview by the PD he mentioned that one of the interviewers was “worried that I would proselytize to my patients” 😡

I asked them if they raise same concerns about someone volunteered at a Church, called him an Ahole & hung up

 

[Mr.Smile12]

Has your school sent anything out about what approach is going to be done for this cycle when it comes to choosing applicants?

Right now I expect statements to come from the top down. With this being a holiday weekend, if the admissions leadership and the deans at the school haven't already been talking about it, I would be surprised. Most of the schools likely already had statements planned as soon as a decision is out, but caution needed to be exercised until we knew what was in the decision (which is a lot). This has been on the forefront since arguments were made back in November.

 

[2024 or 5 ?]

I mentioned volunteering at a mosque.
When receiving some feedback about the interview by the PD he mentioned that one of the interviewers was “worried that I would proselytize to my patients” 😡

I asked them if they raise same concerns about someone volunteered at a Church, called him an Ahole & hung up

I know people who went on missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) who were not told this as directly as you, but this was alluded to.

Off the record, they were told by others that if they did not support hormones and surgeries to change the sex of children, some schools may not want them.

 

[pleasantpeanut4]

I mentioned volunteering at a mosque.
When receiving some feedback about the interview by the PD he mentioned that one of the interviewers was “worried that I would proselytize to my patients” 😡

I asked them if they raise same concerns about someone volunteered at a Church, called him an Ahole & hung up

I mentioned this in my app and if it deters some schools from accepting me, so be it. My politics are extremely progressive and most of my volunteer work involved the local, primarily non-Muslim, unhoused population, but if an AdCom decides that my faith is a negative, I wouldn’t want to be at that institution in the first place.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

The issue here is that legacy/wealth isn’t a protected class, like race/ethnicity, even though it may serve a decent proxy for one.

True. As a result:

https://www.aamc.org/media/9596/download

Medical school diversity and the impact of family income

New study finds that Black and Latinx medical students tend to come from the top quintiles of family income.

www.insidehighered.com

 

[pablo213]

They should aim to remove pretty privileges next; my looks alone would cause schools to reject me!

mandatory /s

This but unironically

 

[Dochopeful13]

^This^ HMS matriculated 134 ORM and 38 URM students last year. URMs are 22% of the 2022 class. How many seats should the URMs give up?

You can’t just look at total numbers. How many URM’S applied to HMS?

 

[FutureInternist]

I know people who went on missions for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (the Mormons) who were not told this as directly as you, but this was alluded to.

Off the record, they were told by others that if they did not support hormones and surgeries to change the sex of children, some schools may not want them.

To be fair, Mormons go on a 2 year mission specifically to do just that…. But to make the leap that they would not be professional enough to refrain from doing so… 🤦‍♂️

 

[kath00]

So I am wondering, can they and should they still be asking for our photos as part of the secondary process???

 

[nimbus]

True. As a result:

https://www.aamc.org/media/9596/download

Medical school diversity and the impact of family income

New study finds that Black and Latinx medical students tend to come from the top quintiles of family income.

www.insidehighered.com

Of course they do. Just like all other medical students.

 

[pablo213]

So I am wondering, can they and should they still be asking for our photos as part of the secondary process???

Your guess is as good as mine, my friend. I suppose we'll see.

 

[senecca]

So I am wondering, can they and should they still be asking for our photos as part of the secondary process???

The Supreme Court just released its decision. Nobody knows if or how it will it be implemented or which colleges would want to continue the racial discrimination using the essay loophole and which colleges would stop racial discrimination. I believe it is going to take a long time to get a clear picture.

If you watched the President’s reaction, he is not interested in stopping the racial discrimination but he called the universities to ignore POTUS’s decision and continue with the racial discrimination. There are hundreds of millions of votes at stake here. AAMC also says that they want to continue with racial discrimination.

Let’s see. There will be plenty of lawsuits though.

 

[Mr.Smile12]

So I am wondering, can they and should they still be asking for our photos as part of the secondary process???

I am guessing schools still need to know who you are as they schedule virtual interviews. Watch the interview scene in Good Will Hunting. Not like that will ever happen again... 🙂

Again, all signs point to SJTs.

 

[Med Ed]

A few thoughts:

1. Schools that previously cared about racial diversity will continue to care, and will find acceptable ways to continue promoting racial diversity among their respective student bodies.

2. The LCME's diversity standard makes no specific mention of race:

A medical school has effective policies and practices in place, and engages in ongoing, systematic, and focused recruitment and retention activities, to achieve mission-appropriate diversity outcomes among its students, faculty, senior administrative staff, and other relevant members of its academic community. These activities include the use of programs and/or partnerships aimed at achieving diversity among qualified applicants for medical school admission and the evaluation of program and partnership outcomes.

Basically a given school must define its own mission-appropriate diversity categories and then show how it is working to recruit and retain individuals from these groups. Every school I am familiar with has used race to define some diversity categories but not others (e.g. first generation, veterans, etc.). In the wake of this ruling I don't think the LCME standard will change substantially or at all, given its careful wording. I do think individual institutions will have to revisit their respective diversity categories and revise them to ensure they are compliant with the ruling.

3. Sandra Day O'Connor did not sunset affirmative action in 2003. She was basically saying that America was making such steady progress on race relations that it wouldn't be needed in 25 years.

 

[pcm810]

one issue is that people approach medical school admissions thinking about who "deserves" to go to medical school more. However medical schools pick their class not based on who has worked hard enough and is talented enough to get in (the vast majority of applicants to any medical school 'deserves' to get in) but rather based on what types of physicians the school wants to train. We recognize that a school would never fill their whole class with people interested in one specialty, or people only interested in rural healthcare.

As people have already mentioned, it is important to have minority doctors, who will have better patient outcomes with minority patients. Diversity, including racial diversity, in and of itself is important to have in the medical field.

(BTW I am not implying that urm students with lower stats are less 'deserving' - urms on average have less resources and more obstacles)

 

[Med Ed]

So I am wondering, can they and should they still be asking for our photos as part of the secondary process???

It would be wildly impractical to purge all markers of race from the application process, and I don't think doing so is necessary to comply with the ruling.

 

[deleted1139416]

I wish it were more acknowledged how much ORM asian immigrants without physician parents struggle. My family is Korean so I was considered ORM. But my parents were immigrants and struggled. I also struggled to learn English for a very long time, and got bullied for it. My parents didn't know anyone when they came here and they weren't doctors and did not know any doctors. I did not have the advantage of my parents being able to call up a friend for me to shadow or work with or do research with. But when it comes to admissions, all they saw was that I was ORM. I am not trying to take away the spotlight from URMs but I really do wish that committees acknowledged how much people without physician parents struggle. Even to this day, in medical school, I have friends who form connections for residency through their parents. It is very disheartening.

 

[MrPuff]

You can’t just look at total numbers. How many URM’S applied to HMS?

I don't know but I'll guess at least 38.

 

[KoolGirlKaye123]

No offense. But you were accepted, so you may not understand the utter devastation of rejection. I know many very unhappy "ORM" with much higher MCAT's and GPA's who obviously were not accepted due to their race. (BTW, I was accepted, so I am not whining.)

I'll definitely get heat for this but I'm going to say it anyway.

URM are rejected at much higher rates according to the stats and make a small % of spots in the class. Meanwhile, those getting accepted (mostly white) have the social capital and wealth to take those spots. Yet, no one seems to critique this issue.
And just because someone has a high MCAT/GPA, does not necessarily mean they were a strong mission fit for the school. ORM also make up the second majority at most institutions. I'm truly not understanding the complaints. They can't accept every cookie cutter applicant with high stats. If you're competing with any applicants, it's with those that share the same demographics and academic interests/stats. Can't compare a URM from a high-poverty community to an ORM from a middle class community. Can't compare a first gen ORM to a white American applicant. Their experiences are vastly different, which impacts their entire application.
The only thing I disagree with is grouping all Asian/Middle Eastern groups as ORM when Southeast Asians (e.g., Cambodians, Filipinos, Thai, etc.) and some Middle Eastern/North East African countries (e.g. Palestinians and Egyptians) are largely underrepresented. The experiences vary within each Racial category and those experiences need to be considered. Race/ethnicity needs to be considered because it highlights an individual's experience and their community's experience.

 

[deleted1156722]

I just spent the day reading all 237 pages of the new SFFA v. Harvard, and SFFA v. UNC decision from the Supreme Court released today. I hope this summary/Q&A could help contextualize discussions surrounding the new legal landscape of affirmative action particularly as it relates to medical school admission.

If race neutral alternatives are ruled illegal, it would deal a crippling, cataclysmic blow to efforts to increase the number of Blacks and Hispanics and reduce the number of Asians and Whites at any educational institutions.

Great summary highlighting the high notes between Grutter and SFFA. I recall similar discussions on a different thread and after listening through the full SCOTUS arguments on Oct 31, 2022, felt pretty confident about this outcome and posted this message!
It is not easy for universities to flout the laws even though they might think there is a chance for a small opening based on Chief Justice’s opinion…Also SFFA and many lawyers are waiting to initiate litigation on behalf of the students who feel they have been unfairly wronged with use of race during the admissions! Meanwhile facially race-neutral measures such as those employed by TJHS are now facing questions of intent of racial discrimination… SCOTUS is going to be busy for a while!

 

[2024 or 5 ?]

The true racism is lumping people into five categories: Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Native American.

With Admissions committees lumping into two: URM and ORM

This is shameful.

 

[deleted1166622]

The true racism is lumping people into five categories: Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, Native American.

With Admissions committees lumping into two: URM and ORM

This is shameful.

Well, I don’t know if you know, but people in these categories undergo different experiences. Surely you don’t believe that I understand the plight of Asian people as a different person of color right? This is like saying “I don’t see race”. How can we not?

 

[Pipi&Pomegranate]

Well, I don’t know if you know, but people in these categories undergo different experiences. Surely you don’t believe that I understand the plight of Asian people as a different person of color right? This is like saying “I don’t see race”. How can we not?

see the PERSON not their color🤔 stop generalizing to race, we are all different and unique, and adcoms need to see that part first

 

[deleted1166622]

see the PERSON not their color🤔 stop generalizing to race, we are all different and unique, and adcoms need to see that part first

Yes, and part of that uniqueness is one’s race. Your undergraduate institution failed to educate you on race and how it affects people in the United States. THAT is shameful.

 

[deleted1139416]

Yes, and part of that uniqueness is one’s race.

Wealth, hair color, political opinions, zip code, FICO score, opinions on Camile Cabello leaving 5th harmony, bench press with good form, bench press with crappy form, height, pretty privilege, etc are all part of one's uniqueness. The problem is when some things are taken into consideration and others are not.

 

[deleted1166622]

Wealth, hair color, political opinions, zip code, FICO score, opinions on Camile Cabello leaving 5th harmony, bench press with good form, bench press with crappy form, height, pretty privilege, etc are all part of one's uniqueness. The problem is when some things are taken into consideration and others are not.

They do take other factors into account.

 

[deleted1139416]

They do take other factors into account.

Yes, but not all. Like I said earlier, students with physician parents have so many advantages, but ADCOMS do not care.

 

[deleted1166622]

Yes, but not all. Like I said earlier, students with physician parents have so many advantages, but ADCOMS do not care.

Wouldn’t someone with physician parents be under more scrutiny to prove that they truly want to enter medicine and that it isn’t simply the wish of their parents? I don’t follow your logic.

 

[lolthroaway]

I wish it were more acknowledged how much ORM asian immigrants without physician parents struggle. My family is Korean so I was considered ORM. But my parents were immigrants and struggled. I also struggled to learn English for a very long time, and got bullied for it. My parents didn't know anyone when they came here and they weren't doctors and did not know any doctors. I did not have the advantage of my parents being able to call up a friend for me to shadow or work with or do research with. But when it comes to admissions, all they saw was that I was ORM. I am not trying to take away the spotlight from URMs but I really do wish that committees acknowledged how much people without physician parents struggle. Even to this day, in medical school, I have friends who form connections for residency through their parents. It is very disheartening.

I'm curious, what kind of school system were you in in terms of quality of education?

 

[lolthroaway]

The Supreme Court just released its decision. Nobody knows if or how it will it be implemented or which colleges would want to continue the racial discrimination using the essay loophole and which colleges would stop racial discrimination. I believe it is going to take a long time to get a clear picture.

If you watched the President’s reaction, he is not interested in stopping the racial discrimination but he called the universities to ignore POTUS’s decision and continue with the racial discrimination. There are hundreds of millions of votes at stake here. AAMC also says that they want to continue with racial discrimination.

Let’s see. There will be plenty of lawsuits though.

Discrimination...huh. Well despite this discrimination, Asians (don't like to lump a diverse group into a single category but trying to be short) outnumber blacks by a ton in higher education. As another commenter noted, blacks are rejected at higher levels for medical school, which fits with my experience; of my college cohort I was the only black person with dreams of medical school that actually made it in. Why do think this is so?

 

[candylover1729391]

see the PERSON not their color🤔 stop generalizing to race, we are all different and unique, and adcoms need to see that part first

I think we all wish this, but this does not happen in this country. This country was built by racism and there is still racism occurring today. It is very ignorant to say that we should not see a person’s color when this 100% affects people in this country.

 

[purkinjekitty]

I know this is a sensitive discussion but keep it civil y’all!

 

[KoolGirlKaye123]

I think we all wish this, but this does not happen in this country. This country was built by racism and there is still racism occurring today. It is very ignorant to say that we should not see a person’s color when this 100% affects people in this country.

Yup. And this country was built on racism. You can’t reverse that by getting rid of AA. Can’t just make race a thing forever and play “take backsies” without addressing the other societal factors resulting in racial disparities.

 

[LunaOri]

FWIW, Gorsuch raised that point. Earlier the AMA passed a resolution calling for the end of legacy admissions. At the undergrad level, many colleges like Amherst have done this.

Wow! Amherst used to give legacy applicants the red-carpet treatment.

 

[Goro]

Some cogent commentary:

Affirmative Action Is Down (but Not Out?)​

If you were surprised when you saw this news, you haven't been paying attention to the Supreme Court for the last, oh, 15 years or so. Yesterday, in a 6-3 decision (bet you can't guess which 6, and which 3!), the Court significantly curtailed the use of race as a factor in college admissions.

Obviously, "significantly curtailed" is not the same as "eliminated." The extremely verbose 237-page decision contains two exceptions to the general rule of "no consideration of race." The first of those is that the service academies are allowed to continue using race-based admissions, just as they were before yesterday's decision, because of the academies' "potentially distinct interests." We concede that we don't understand the motivation here, unless it's just "Anything the military does is automatically good."

The other exception is that while universities are no longer allowed to weight a student's race as a distinct factor, "nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise." What that means is that, for example, Harvard cannot decide that it's going to admit 100 Black students this year no matter what, but it can read a Black student's essay that talks about discrimination they have faced, and can use that as part of their admission decision.

Such essays are exactly why carve-out #2 was written into the decision. If admissions were required to be entirely color-blind, then it would be nearly impossible for universities to require essays, and it might possibly forestall letters of recommendation, too. Heck, it might even be necessary to keep the names off the applications. There's just no pragmatic way to keep the student's racial background completely out of the equation.

The responses of the politicians yesterday were entirely what you would expect. Let's start with Joe Biden, who was furious about the decision. "This is not a normal court," he said. "The truth is, we all know it, discrimination still exists in America ... today's decision does not change that." He said he would work with the Department of Education to develop new ways of incorporating diversity into admissions decisions.

And now let's turn to the Republicans, starting with Donald Trump:

This is a great day for America. People with extraordinary ability and everything else necessary for success, including future greatness for our country, are finally being rewarded. This is the ruling everyone was waiting and hoping for and the result was amazing. It will also keep us competitive with the rest of the world. Our greatest minds must be cherished and that's what this wonderful day has brought. We're going back to all merit-based—and that's the way it should be!

Good to see that the former president is such a fan of merit-based admissions. After all, his admission to Penn was undoubtedly 100% merit-based, right?

And now, Mike Pence:

I'm grateful to see that the conservative majority, that we helped build on the Supreme Court, bring an end to most of affirmative action. Look, we want to live in a color-blind society. And I will tell you—There may have been a time, 50 years ago, when we needed to affirmatively take steps to correct long-term racial bias in institutions of higher education. But, I can tell you, as the father of three college graduates, um, those days are long over. And I'm grateful today that the Supreme Court took us one step back to that America that will judge every man and woman on the content of their character and their own achievement, and leave race out of consideration for admission to institutions of higher learning.

We are not sure what causes us to roll our eyes harder, the notion that Pence had anything to do with seating those three conservative justices between 2017 and 2021, or that the whitest man in the country would presume to declare that we now live in a post-racial world.

And finally, one more, from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX):

Today, the Supreme Court upheld the 14th Amendment rights of Asian-Americans and ruled that Harvard and the University of North Carolina's explicit and egregious policies of racially discriminating against Asian-Americans and other students are unconstitutional.

We have two things to say here. First, either Cruz does not read the statements sent out under his name, or he does, and yet he—an alleged super genius—doesn't know that Asian American is unhyphenated when used as a noun, and hyphenated only when used as an adjective (i.e., "Asian Americans make up the majority of enrollees in Asian-American history courses."). Second, while we do not doubt that many Asian-American activists legitimately opposed Affirmative Action in admissions, anyone who thinks that Cruz or any other high-ranking Republican was motivated by their interest in justice for Asian Americans is fooling themselves. The Senator is fighting the culture wars on behalf of his white constituents, and is using Asian-American people as an excuse to make that socially acceptable.

Please note that our disdain for the Republican talking points does not mean that we are some sort of Affirmative Action fanatics. We are well aware that some number of highly qualified students are left on the outside because there are only so many spots available at desirable universities. We are similarly aware that Affirmative Action admissions sometimes subject students to academic challenges for which they are not fully prepared, leading to disproportionately high dropout rates. That said, when thinking of Affirmative Action, we often think of the observation about democracy used (but not originated) by Winston Churchill: "It is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried." In other words, Affirmative Action is the worst solution to educational diversity, except for all the other solutions that have been tried.

In any case, as with Dobbs, a decision that is ostensibly the "final word" from the Supreme Court is going to be far from the final word, and one of these days this is going to end up right back in the Supremes' lap, in one form or another. To start, the Biden administration realized this day was coming, and he actually already had the Dept. of Education and other federal bureaucracies working on alternative ideas for how to promote diversity in education.

Further, the universities themselves have been known, on occasion, to employ some clever people. There are many ways to use admissions to promote diversity, even if race is not an explicit factor. For example, studies have shown that a student's family's net worth—information that universities already have, due to financial aid—is a pretty good indicator of whether the student comes from an underserved community. Looking at things like ZIP Codes, whether the applicant is a first-generation student and whether the applicant is a first-generation immigrant, also helps to create a diverse student body. It won't be as easy as it was before yesterday's ruling, and colleges will surely be less diverse overall, but SCOTUS' decision isn't going to completely upend things, either.

Meanwhile, civil rights groups are getting ready to take on a rather different form of affirmative action, namely legacy admissions. It's not a secret that the children and grandchildren of graduates, particularly at Ivy League universities, get preferential admissions treatment. It's also not a secret that this is primarily to keep alumni donations flowing. The civil rights activists argue that if minority students aren't allowed preferential treatment, nobody should be allowed preferential treatment. Assuming the Supreme Court takes the inevitable case, it will be interesting to see what, for example, Brett Kavanaugh (Yale Class of '87), grandson of Everett Edward Kavanaugh Sr. (Yale Class of '28), has to say about that.

 

[Angler]

Good to see that the former president is such a fan of merit-based admissions. After all, his admission to Penn was undoubtedly 100% merit-based, right?

This is spit-out-coffee-onto-your-computer worthy!

 

[MrPuff]

This is spit-out-coffee-onto-your-computer worthy!

Truly, just like Malia Obama getting into Harvard - both her mom and dad went to law school there. But I digress.

 

[please.let.me.in]

@Goro
You seem to be very passionate in pointing out how prominent Rebublicans should be fighting equally as hard against legacy admissions if they were truly against preferential treatment. How do you feel about the hypocrisy of prominent Democrats who benefit from legacy admissions? Here's a quote from Michelle Obama yesterday:

"Of course, students on my campus and countless others across the country were — and continue to be — granted special consideration for admissions. Some have parents who graduated from the same school. Others have families who can afford coaches to help them run faster or hit a ball harder. Others go to high schools with lavish resources for tutors and extensive standardized test prep that help them score higher on college entrance exams. We don’t usually question if those students belong. So often, we just accept that money, power, and privilege are perfectly justifiable forms of affirmative action, while kids growing up like I did are expected to compete when the ground is anything but level."

This couldn't possibly be the same Michelle Obama who (poorer upbringing aside) sent her daughters to private high schools and got them the best tutors the White House could buy? And, of course, there's absolutely no way that her husband being the former president of the United States had anything at all to do with her daughter getting into Harvard, right?

If you're going to take shots across the aisle, perhaps examine your own side first.

 

[docdoc912]

I wish it were more acknowledged how much ORM asian immigrants without physician parents struggle. My family is Korean so I was considered ORM. But my parents were immigrants and struggled. I also struggled to learn English for a very long time, and got bullied for it. My parents didn't know anyone when they came here and they weren't doctors and did not know any doctors. I did not have the advantage of my parents being able to call up a friend for me to shadow or work with or do research with. But when it comes to admissions, all they saw was that I was ORM. I am not trying to take away the spotlight from URMs but I really do wish that committees acknowledged how much people without physician parents struggle. Even to this day, in medical school, I have friends who form connections for residency through their parents. It is very disheartening.

Why couldn’t you write about your struggles in your personal statement or other essays?

 

[chssoccer7]

@Goro
You seem to be very passionate in pointing out how prominent Rebublicans should be fighting equally as hard against legacy admissions if they were truly against preferential treatment. How do you feel about the hypocrisy of prominent Democrats who benefit from legacy admissions? Here's a quote from Michelle Obama yesterday:

"Of course, students on my campus and countless others across the country were — and continue to be — granted special consideration for admissions. Some have parents who graduated from the same school. Others have families who can afford coaches to help them run faster or hit a ball harder. Others go to high schools with lavish resources for tutors and extensive standardized test prep that help them score higher on college entrance exams. We don’t usually question if those students belong. So often, we just accept that money, power, and privilege are perfectly justifiable forms of affirmative action, while kids growing up like I did are expected to compete when the ground is anything but level."

This couldn't possibly be the same Michelle Obama who (poorer upbringing aside) sent her daughters to private high schools and got them the best tutors the White House could buy? And, of course, there's absolutely no way that her husband being the former president of the United States had anything at all to do with her daughter getting into Harvard, right?

If you're going to take shots across the aisle, perhaps examine your own side first.

I would suggest actually reading and realizing that he didn't write it, he just posted it here as it's relevant commentary to the topic at hand (and he literally provided the link to where he crossposted it from).

 

[senecca]

see the PERSON not their color🤔 stop generalizing to race, we are all different and unique, and adcoms need to see that part first

Exactly. Even kids born in the same family are different. But people are claiming that all people with same skin color have the same unique experience. Weird.