The list of respected DO Schools

[DoctorLacrosse]

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Seeing a lot of praise for MSU on this thread, is there anyone out there that thinks their out of state tuition is worth it for the level of education you get there?

And definitely shocked to see some of these DO stories. Will certainly be doing my research before applying. Eye opening.

 

[Ravizzle]

Gotz to findz out who dey be screwin and all that ****. make sho you double glove yo.

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[azide10]

I've seen a lot of NYMC, SUNY Downstate, and Einstien students learning under NPs. Thing is most of the time they have no idea. On rotations you are skimming the surface of specialties to begin to learn and get a feel for it. Learning from a nurse won't change the situation all too much. Unless of course they don't have the answer and need to defer to a doctor, in which case you'll still learn it! Also paying extra for rotations is something that is known to happen, most students check with the program prior to see if that will be the case then decide if they really want to rotate their or not.

Maybe it does happen more with DO schools, I'm not there and really couldn't tell you. Obviously you have more experiencing going through the process already. But I will say your complaints aren't strictly limited to DO. Though I do (and think everyone else does) wish schools would stop increasing class sizes without first thinking about where and quality of rotations for their students. That is not an effective way of running the school. If given an opportunity I, like most, would probably choose schools like TCOM, MSUCOM, OUCOM, OSUCOM, DMU, PCOM, UMDNJ, ect based in large part on that reason.Luckily enough there are quite a few schools like that. The next batch of schools don't exactly have terrible situations either and I'm certainly interested in them as well, fully willing to take the good with the bad and work to improve the school and it's reputation.

 

[ensuii]

I say again, wait until you guys are actually DO students and are applying for away rotations/residency and realize the full extent of how screwed DOs are in general. Some places require extra tuition out of us for away rotations, others only take an x number of DO students, still others just won't even accept DO students. Then, does it really f'ing matter if you went to what you perceive to be a "respected" DO school?

Talk to me in a couple of years, otherwise, continue to debate what you perceive to be respected DO schools.

Just wanted to echo the sentiment...I have no problems with my career path and I think I've been provided a pretty good preclinical/clinical education. A lot depends on the organization of your school's administration. My school probably isn't the best known but it's been around for a while and even though we still run in to kinks every now and then, I can't say that I've been swindled or received a poor quality education.

With that being said, QP brings up very legitimate points and I think ignoring them or pretending like "it'll never happen to me" for one reason or another would put you at high risk for being unhappy down the road. Realistically, you can argue until your face turns blue about where each DO school ranks relative to another but regardless of wherever you end up, you will be a DO and the circumstances of the degree are not influenced by where you chose to go to school.

 

[GimpGenius]

I agree with this, but it will eventually be MSUCOM = OUCOM for the first spot.
As an Ohio resident, everything about OUCOM looks great...but I found Athens to be a dismal area and couldn't see myself living there. However, saving 80k over the course of 4 years (more if you factor in cost of rent and interest) would certainly have been welcomed.

OU is opening two new PCC (PBL-based curricula, with focus on patient contact) programs: Columbus in 2014 (I'd assume affiliation with Doctors Hospital) and Cleveland (affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic/South Point Hospital) in 2015.

I know that doesn't help anyone applying for the next few years, but there are a few options coming down the pipe (and done well, IMO).

 

[docmayer]

I have no idea why this thread is even a topic of discussion. DO schools as a whole are not respected, who cares who is the most respected out of the least respected? Seriously, and this is coming from a DO student.

You are pathetic. By saying such a stupid comment you make pre-meds and current DO students feel like ****. These are people. They have worked hard to get where they are, and are happy to become a physician. Just because MD schools are more well known and are harder to get into does not mean DO schools are ****. And hearing this come from a DO student...wow...I wish you luck bud👍 i'm sure you will be very happy knowing you went the DO route which is **** and so is the school you attended.

 

[cliquesh]

You are pathetic. By saying such a stupid comment you make pre-meds and current DO students feel like ****. These are people. They have worked hard to get where they are, and are happy to become a physician. Just because MD schools are more well known and are harder to get into does not mean DO schools are ****. And hearing this come from a DO student...wow...I wish you luck bud👍 i'm sure you will be very happy knowing you went the DO route which is **** and so is the school you attended.

What he said isn't completely untrue. From my experience, md attendings have no idea which DO schools are good or bad. They don't even know the names of them. They just lump them all together.

 

[oms2]

i've been told that timewise, the 3rd year is the most important year and people do pay attention to where you rotate.
1st and 2nd year is mostly reading books which you can do at home
the issue of rotations is getting bigger with the caribbean schools buying their way into u.s. hospitals in several states.

 

[ensuii]

You are pathetic. By saying such a stupid comment you make pre-meds and current DO students feel like ****. These are people. They have worked hard to get where they are, and are happy to become a physician. Just because MD schools are more well known and are harder to get into does not mean DO schools are ****. And hearing this come from a DO student...wow...I wish you luck bud👍 i'm sure you will be very happy knowing you went the DO route which is **** and so is the school you attended.

There's a difference in being disrespectful and admitting reality. I don't think he was being disrespectful. You may not agree with what he's saying but he is someone who has gone down the path and is giving his account of his experiences for upcomers like yourself. There are a lot of realities of being a DO that you probably don't realize when you're a pre-med. Unfortunately, semantics do matter sometimes and working hard can only get you so far.

 

[Everglide]

Honestly I don't think it is a better school than any of the original 5 schools. It just has a billion affiliated residencies so they can match 15 people into ortho every year.

As a student at MSUCOM, I agree. Though having over half of all osteo residencies directly affiliated with the school is a huge advantage. I think this will become an even bigger advantage if we face a residency slot shortage in the near future. On the other hand, coming here with the OOS tuition would be insane unless you're rich or on military scholarship - which most of our OOS students are.

IMO, as long as your school is organized, cost-effective, and you're happy there then it's a good school for you.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

You are pathetic. By saying such a stupid comment you make pre-meds and current DO students feel like ****. These are people. They have worked hard to get where they are, and are happy to become a physician. Just because MD schools are more well known and are harder to get into does not mean DO schools are ****. And hearing this come from a DO student...wow...I wish you luck bud👍 i'm sure you will be very happy knowing you went the DO route which is **** and so is the school you attended.

Can you be less emotional? I'm sure lawyers and nurses work hard too, but you don't see them complaining when ppl don't pay them much mind. The reality is that he's not saying that you as a DO will be crap. Just less potentially respected for your school of attendance and residency if it is AOA. Nothing more, in my book that is completely fine and not going to affect me much, and it shouldn't you either.

 

[GypsyHummus]

If you have something legitimate to say by all means say it, otherwise go skulk someplace else until you have more life experience to make a real judgement.

I do have a question.

Why did you pick that school in the first place? You obviously did research in osteopathic medicine if you were accepted to a DO school, why not pick a place with good rotations likr lecom? Or DMU? Or Midwestern? Those schools take care of their students.

 

[DocEspana]

Wait. Hold up. DO schools come in "respected?"

I'll have one of those then.

 

[docmayer]

Can you be less emotional? I'm sure lawyers and nurses work hard too, but you don't see them complaining when ppl don't pay them much mind. The reality is that he's not saying that you as a DO will be crap. Just less potentially respected for your school of attendance and residency if it is AOA. Nothing more, in my book that is completely fine and not going to affect me much, and it shouldn't you either.

Are you blind? He doesn't say " less potentially respected". He says all DO schools are not respected and that there is no point in discussing the respected of the least respected. As a DO applicant like yourself, if you don't find this offensive to your career path, then you are being oblivious. There is a difference in saying that you are potentially less respected as a DO applicant and having an AOA residency, and saying that your degree and schools that offer your degree in general are all not respected.

 

[docmayer]

What he said isn't completely untrue. From my experience, md attendings have no idea which DO schools are good or bad. They don't even know the names of them. They just lump them all together.

As if everyone is aware of all MD schools.

 

[DocEspana]

Are you blind? He doesn't say " less potentially respected". He says all DO schools are not respected and that there is no point in discussing the respected of the least respected. As a DO applicant like yourself, if you don't find this offensive to your career path, then you are being oblivious. There is a difference in saying that you are potentially less respected as a DO applicant and having an AOA residency, and saying that your degree and schools that offer your degree in general are all not respected.

Idk. His point was made with very broad strokes and perhaps some poor word choice, but in the big picture I think he is right. You don't really think about it though. Bit its roughly true.

 

[docmayer]

Idk. His point was made with very broad strokes and perhaps some poor word choice, but in the big picture I think he is right. You don't really think about it though. Bit its roughly true.

Yes he is right but his tone was extreme and can be offensive to people like myself going the DO route. What i'm saying is yes it is true and people should be aware, but don't come on here and say it in a way that sounds absolutely terrible and makes people feel like their degree and education is worthless.

 

[ensuii]

Yes he is right but his tone was extreme and can be offensive to people like myself going the DO route. What i'm saying is yes it is true and people should be aware, but don't come on here and say it in a way that sounds absolutely terrible and makes people feel like their degree and education is worthless.

lol r u serious? this is the internet...

 

[econoclast]

Wait. Hold up. DO schools come in "respected?"

I'll have one of those then.

LOL. If I ****ed up in undergrad and had to go to the Upstairs Medical College, I wouldn't respect myself either. This is a HILARIOUS thread!!

 

[GypsyHummus]

Wait. Hold up. DO schools come in "respected?"

I'll have one of those then.

Should have applied to MSUCOM.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Are you blind? He doesn't say " less potentially respected". He says all DO schools are not respected and that there is no point in discussing the respected of the least respected. As a DO applicant like yourself, if you don't find this offensive to your career path, then you are being oblivious. There is a difference in saying that you are potentially less respected as a DO applicant and having an AOA residency, and saying that your degree and schools that offer your degree in general are all not respected.

Personally I'm not troubled by the notion that getting a DO may make me less respected. As long as I'm happy and the people who matter around me trust my knowledge then I'll be happy. I mean the fields in medicine I'm interested in are classically not respected or even hated, and I'm quite ok with that. So I think you should relax and not take the little things so seriously. You'll live longer.

 

[HalfListic]

He's the DO student at PNWU who had a nurse/CRNA as a preceptor on his surgery rotation. He reported it to the allo forum in this famous post. It sounds like he is regretting his DO school choice and generalizing his frustration to include all DO schools.

You've had a rough go of it. I understand your position better now. Thanks for the info you've shared, it will give me a more focused scrutiny of schools.

But still, you'll be more effective by toning it down, and not generalizing. Your experience isn't everyone's, so some of us just ignore people who are too extreme

 

[OKEMDoc83]

If you are looking for respect, go in to a different profession. Medicine today is not respected the way it was 20 years ago. This is due to the ability to gain information (the Internet) that somehow gives laypeople the perception of medical knowledge despite that they have not worked in healthcare. If you want to be respected go in to business and become a CEO/CFO/president. If you choose medicine do it because you want to make a difference and be challenged (cliche I know).


KCUMB Class of 2016

 

[nirvikalpa]

LOL. If I ****ed up in undergrad and had to go to the Upstairs Medical College, I wouldn't respect myself either. This is a HILARIOUS thread!!

It's New York, in Harlem... never been to NYC have you?

This thread is pretty damn disappointing, I have to say. So much for camaraderie... we don't need MD students to look down on us as a whole anymore... we have some of our own peers. 🙄

 

[TXKnight]

LOL. If I ****ed up in undergrad and had to go to the Upstairs Medical College, I wouldn't respect myself either. This is a HILARIOUS thread!!

I guess you are, more-less directly, referring to docespana, I think he goes to Touro NY. I respect docespana, he contributes good stuff to these forums. I agree the school is not the prettiest but I've never been inside, or to NY city for that matter so I don't know how valid is that low key mockery of yours.

 

[oms2]

i don't think there is "respect" in america for anything anymore. people think ceo's are crooks, doctors are greedy, teachers are lazy, politicians are corrupt, and lawyers should be dead.
do whatever makes you want to get up in the morning and gives you a decent living standard. (btw i don't know of any poor or unemployed do's.)

 

[572776]

i don't think there is "respect" in america for anything anymore. people think ceo's are crooks, doctors are greedy, teachers are lazy, politicians are corrupt, and lawyers should be dead.
do whatever makes you want to get up in the morning and gives you a decent living standard. (btw i don't know of any poor or unemployed do's.)

👍👍

 

[Ravizzle]

i don't think there is "respect" in america for anything anymore. people think ceo's are crooks, doctors are greedy, teachers are lazy, politicians are corrupt, and lawyers should be dead.
do whatever makes you want to get up in the morning and gives you a decent living standard. (btw i don't know of any poor or unemployed do's.)

👍👍👍

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[qwerty2012]

I guess you can say most of older and state-funded DO schools are well respected.

 

[Jnet389]

I guess you can say most of older and state-funded DO schools are well respected.

The thing is, respected by who? 99.99% of the population/patients either don't know or don't care. Probably both. Yes certain schools probably have better rotations... But please let's keep arguing about which DO schools are the most respected or have the most "prestige". Ha

 

[qwerty2012]

The thing is, respected by who? 99.99% of the population/patients either don't know or don't care. Probably both. Yes certain schools probably have better rotations... But please let's keep arguing about which DO schools are the most respected or have the most "prestige". Ha

People will always rank this and rank that...isn't that the reason why OP even made this thread?
Even DO schools themselves compare with other schools.
I remembered one session I had with this school's admission dean and was blatantly told that xx school is better than xx.

 

[Jnet389]

People will always rank this and rank that...isn't that the reason why OP even made this thread?
Even DO schools themselves compare with other schools.
I remembered one session I had with this school's admission dean and was blatantly told that xx school is better than xx.

I understand, but it just seems to me that there's more variance between med students at a certain school than between the med schools themselves as far as what will make you become a successful doctor goes. Especially in DO.

 

[poopyhead]

The thing is, respected by who? 99.99% of the population/patients either don't know or don't care. Probably both. Yes certain schools probably have better rotations... But please let's keep arguing about which DO schools are the most respected or have the most "prestige". Ha

People wouldn't recognize a "Michigan State?" Or what "Ohio State" and "Oklahoma State" are? Until an Ivy opens up a DO school, the only schools that the general public will have even heard of will be public institutions.

 

[Jnet389]

People wouldn't recognize a "Michigan State?" Or what "Ohio State" and "Oklahoma State" are? Until an Ivy opens up a DO school, the only schools that the general public will have even heard of will be public institutions.

I meant they won't know as in they won't take the time to research where the doctor they meet with got his/her degree. And even if they did know which DO school their doctor went to, would they even care enough to research if it is "respected"? 99.99% would not.

 

[HalfListic]

I guess the worst part of this thread is that its ambiguous as all get out.

At first, no one took it seriously because OP literally asked us to list the respected DO school...there is close to 0 context to answer that question. respect from the gen public? from premeds? from currents docs? from other schools? from MDs? from old MDs? from residency programs? Each list could be different. (I mean, even RVUs mom respects her even if she gets no love from the overzealous online types)

I would make a motion to either let this be a troll stomping ground, or qualify our answers.

ie...from a residencies standpoint or from the gen public view...

 

[DocEspana]

I guess you are, more-less directly, referring to docespana, I think he goes to Touro NY. I respect docespana, he contributes good stuff to these forums. I agree the school is not the prettiest but I've never been inside, or to NY city for that matter so I don't know how valid is that low key mockery of yours.

I pity the fool who disrespects my painting of Mr. T.

in all honesty, I'm where I am because of hubris and regional bias. I know me. and I also know I wouldn't be happy anywhere but the northeast. I also know that I scored higher on tge mcat than almost everyone in america, and a 3.3 gpa. The "how" of the gpa (can't do physics) got me waitlisted at some of the most desirable medical schools in america. I f***** up and had no safety schools. nor did I apply outside of the most competitve region america. I have no issue saying I go to very new college built atop a pawn store because it's my own arrogance I got me there, I did not want to wait a year, and I know I have the test scores at every step of the way that invalidate pretty much anything that could be said about inferiority were messing up in undergrad. my free time I represent every student in new york, at both albany and washington d c. if anything I'm still too arrogant about what I've accomplished.

but it's not about me. it's about everyone who sings organic chemistry is a good predictor of medical school performance. I would argue the mcat is a good measurement, but it has its own keep flies. picking on those who is undergrad performance didn't make it in the top 1 percent of students is dumb when theyre still top 3% or so. academic bullying only get you so far, until you accidentally insult someone who is way more qualified than you.

 

[DocEspana]

if it's not immediately obvious, my comment is directed towards the original picture poster. not the person I quoted. although I do really like the picture posted. I'm a bit of a city boy myself.

 

[UTsksk]

If you are looking for respect, go in to a different profession. Medicine today is not respected the way it was 20 years ago. This is due to the ability to gain information (the Internet) that somehow gives laypeople the perception of medical knowledge despite that they have not worked in healthcare. If you want to be respected go in to business and become a CEO/CFO/president. If you choose medicine do it because you want to make a difference and be challenged (cliche I know).


KCUMB Class of 2016

It's interesting that you say this because my fiance, a RN, was telling me about a case that she had in ICU where a family was arguing with two doctors, and completely disrespecting them because the doctors were recommending a DNR since the patient had a AAA, legs amputated due to necrosis, failed kidneys, GI damage, dialysis, and coded. Anyways, the doctors wanted the family to put the patient as DNR since the patient was not going to live much longer, but they refused and began yelling at them since they said the odds of living were <10%.

I find it odd that people are so rude to healthcare professionals because it's those people that are trying their hardest to save their loved one. I'd figure a family would plead and beg with a nurse or a physician to do all they can instead of barking orders and being so close minded. But then again, emotion can throw logic right out of the window.

 

[TXKnight]

if it's not immediately obvious, my comment is directed towards the original picture poster. not the person I quoted. although I do really like the picture posted. I'm a bit of a city boy myself.

I figured it was directed at the OP...Now, what kind of politics do you do at DC if you don't mind? AOA lobbying or something like that?

In a peripherally related note: if you watch soccer, you can't miss the upcoming spain game in the Eurocup. That is, assuming you care for Spain and you like soccer.

 

[DocEspana]

I figured it was directed at the OP...Now, what kind of politics do you do at DC if you don't mind? AOA lobbying or something like that?

In a peripherally related note: if you watch soccer, you can't miss the upcoming spain game in the Eurocup. That is, assuming you care for Spain and you like soccer.

Love futbol, love Spain. So pumped.

And I do indeed do aoa lobbying, but i was referring to my position as one of three students representing ny in the ama. And head of all student legislation for the state. And some other positions that are not worth mentioning. I've gotten very high up the food chain there. This why i said all ny students, not just do ones.

 

[DrapDO]

I find some aspects of this thread rather amusing, the back and forth between premeds who long for prestige/ Respect vs those who likely were the exact same prestige/respect hungry people 3-4 years ago who currently aren't currently getting any is comical.

I do think however there have been some good points brought up. I totally agree that Applicants interested in Respect and Prestige need to know there is NO HAVARD of DO schools! The correct answer to the question: Which DO school do I attend that will cause patients, Program directors, Attendings, Residents, other med students, my mom and your mom to see me as a genius super doctor who baths in prestige and commands their respect/admiration? Is none of them. I would also bet that would hold true for most MD schools save the very best and even then you still have to earn it. No DO school will pave your way, shelter you from discrimination, or make medical education easy. Believe it or not most people will not care at all, and your patients will be calling everyone doctor even those that went to a tech school!😱 Oh the horror!!! No one will give to hoots what DO school you attended. Honestly before you started looking at which schools to apply to did you know what school your doctor attended and rate him/her accordingly?

On the flip side DO schools can be for the lack of a better example "fractionated" on the column of resources, technology, educational environment, quality of rotation sites..ect. When one does this it becomes fairly clear that the Old private and state schools provide a significantly different environment than the new and newer schools with the other schools falling everywhere inbetween. You have the very good fraction, good fraction, and the good enough fraction. Just remember in the mixed solution of American medical education DO schools are the aqueous layer MD schools are the Organic layer. There may be some fuzziness at the separation point but prestige is heavily organic and not really found in the fuzzy area. Also if you can't stand the thought of being aqueous and dealing with the challenges that go with it then don't apply because it won't matter what fraction of the aqueous layer you end up in your still aqueous and won't be happy.

 

[donkeykong1]

OU is opening two new PCC (PBL-based curricula, with focus on patient contact) programs: Columbus in 2014 (I'd assume affiliation with Doctors Hospital) and Cleveland (affiliated with the Cleveland Clinic/South Point Hospital) in 2015.

I know that doesn't help anyone applying for the next few years, but there are a few options coming down the pipe (and done well, IMO).

its actually with the OHIOhealth system in general which means more hospitals

 

[donkeykong1]

What he said isn't completely untrue. From my experience, md attendings have no idea which DO schools are good or bad. They don't even know the names of them. They just lump them all together.

its a regional thing. for example, PDs at CC, Case, or Ohio State know Ohio University grads really well. the same wouldn't be true of a PD at USC or at a program who never took on a resident or had experience with an OU student.

the bias is even stronger for the newer schools w/o a graduating class.

 

[donkeykong1]

Love futbol, love Spain. So pumped.

And I do indeed do aoa lobbying, but i was referring to my position as one of three students representing ny in the ama. And head of all student legislation for the state. And some other positions that are not worth mentioning. I've gotten very high up the food chain there. This why i said all ny students, not just do ones.

expose your identity much

 

[DocEspana]

expose your identity much

There is a vague balance between how much I want to say and how much i want to keep private. But since I'm the only DO in the AMA delegation from ny and the only one in tje whole NY delegation... The identity is hard to hide at aby level of revealing.

Enough people know who I am IRL, whicch I'm not fond of, that its not always worth being anonymous since they can look me up anyway.

As long as I can say "oh its all a lie" I have plausible deniability. Cause I'm Def not the person I claim to be 😉

 

[rubisco88]

TCOM is very good. As others said, it's considered on par with most of the MD schools in Texas. Their students match well. The fact that they are able to produce students who match into well respected allopathic residents is a testament to the strength of the education students receive there, not a negative in my opinion.

 

[BobBarker]

OSU is a fine school. Dr. Goljan, state resources, own hospital, no farming out of rotations, nice building, nice city most seem to enjoy. They take 10% out of state or so annually. OOS tuition is probably cheaper than many private schools. It has to be easily in the top 5. People from Stanford have definitely heard of Oklahoma State, at least.

 

[Dharma]

A grocery list is more important than this rubbish...

 

[costales]

 

[deleted103644]

A grocery list is more important than this rubbish...

More prestigious too.