*^~*~^* The Official 2006-2007 "What Are My Chances/Where to Apply" Thread *^~*~^* part 01

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hi....i just have a really stupid question on the academic year......i know academic year starts, for instance, fall 05 till spring 06. But do the academic year 05-06 includes summer school taken in summer 06 or that will be in academic year 06-07????
 
i want to know if you all think it is worth it for me to submit my application to either UCSF or UWashington. I know it is very difficult for an out of state student to even get an interview, but I really like the programs (and location :laugh: ) each school offers, and I was wondering if any of you had success there as an OOS. what do you all think? here is my mdapps:

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=5367

are the interview numbers better for a school like UCLA? From what I saw MSAR doesnt provide interview numbers for UCSF or Washington, so anecdotal evidence would be useful.
 
But I suppose this site has warped my view of my application 🙁

BCPM: 3.48
Overall: 3.78
(from MIT)
MCAT: not sure yet, low-mid 30's?
URM-hispanic
soc. science major

volunteer: not so much, will have 200+ hrs by end of summer (getting july LOR from volunteer coordinator)
clinical: not so much, summer volunteering will make that up, planning on shadowing someone as well
research: in-depth individual project for very famous prof, good LOR from him
special things: ton of interesting work in public health/health disparities/etc.

top choices: vanderbilt or duke. SERIOUSLY want to get into vandy, would love to know my chances of being accepted there with these stats (tear, bcpm gpa, how you have suffered from being gotten at mit)


thanks for your help guys. man i wish we were done with secondaries already!
 
biggoron42 said:
i want to know if you all think it is worth it for me to submit my application to either UCSF or UWashington. I know it is very difficult for an out of state student to even get an interview, but I really like the programs (and location :laugh: ) each school offers, and I was wondering if any of you had success there as an OOS. what do you all think? here is my mdapps:

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=5367

are the interview numbers better for a school like UCLA? From what I saw MSAR doesnt provide interview numbers for UCSF or Washington, so anecdotal evidence would be useful.

I'd go for SF- I know they take quite a few OOS. I think U Wash takes very few OOS, but I'm not sure on that one.
 
First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful! 😀
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi
 
dr.desi said:
First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful! 😀
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi

Post on the "WHAT ARE MY CHANCES" thread
 
dr.desi said:
First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful! 😀
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi

I would significantly broaden the list of schools you apply to. As I understand it, unless you are a resident of oregon or washington, OHSU and UW (respectively) are almost impossible to get into (i think this may have changed for OHSU). UCSF is among the top schools in the country, and I don't think anyone can count on being accepted there, no matter how strong you application is. Your GPA is good, but not spectacular--in other words, it probably will not open or close doors for you. You seem like you have pretty good extra-curriculars, try to emphasize these in your personal statement. From the bried amount that you have shared, I would say that your most unique features as an applicant are your role as a mother and your fluency in 4 languages. Do well on the MCAT. Before we know your score on that, we can't really tell you if you are a competitive applicant, but the rest of your application seems relatively solid. Apply early and good luck!
 
dr.desi said:
First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful! 😀
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi
Shadow a doctor, kill the mcat, and you will be fine.
Edit: if your from cali i would also apply to a lot of schools.
 
New to website...What are my chances?

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First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful!
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi
 
bobbybouche said:
Shadow a doctor, kill the mcat, and you will be fine.
Edit: if your from cali i would also apply to a lot of schools.
Thanks everyone...it is the extra curriculars that I am most worried about :s
Anyway as per your advise i have moved the post to the
* what are my chances * thread
Thanks,
D
 
Hm...my best individual MCAT scores were 9P 12V 11B (32), but my best total scores were 28-29.

So, weakness--possibly MCAT, 3.55 sgpa (3.8 postbac)
Strength--3 years experience as an RN in an inner city ICU, hence good LORs from attendings and lots of experience with really really sick people.

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=5440

I really really want to apply ED due to my family situation. I can't think of many other schools to apply to as I would like to stay in the Milwaukee/Chicago area. Is it lame to fill out the AACOMAS if I'm only applying to one DO school (osteopathic med *does* interest me somewhat)?
 
It's amazing that one test determines your entire future....this sucks....
 
dr.desi said:
New to website...What are my chances?

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First of all, I must say that this is a very cool forum! Very useful!
I am an aspiring med student and will be applying in 2007. I am not sure of my chances though. It would be great if someone can guide me?
Here are my stats
GPA (both science and cum) is a 3.6
Major is Biochem, minor in chem
9 months research experience
1 year hospital experience
6 months experience working with kids ( have also worked with special ed kids)
fluent in 4 languages...
Currently a full time student, wife and a mom ( age under 24).
MCAT: 2b taken in august.

The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU. I love working with kids and know I want to be a pediatrician. However, I am not sure if I have accumulated enough experience... any thoughts?
Thank you!
Desi
Where are you a resident at. Your ECs and grades aren't spectacular so if you're not instate for either UW or UCSF you will be at a severe disadvantage. I think a lot will hinge on your MCAT scores. In addition, OHSU has opened up some more spots for out of staters so that could work to your advantage. once again, you have to tell us where you're from as that factors HEAVILY into your chances of getting into school A vs school B
 
NyQuilbOi said:
It's amazing that one test determines your entire future....this sucks....
Not necessarily. You dont have to knock it out of the park, just get decent scores (lower 30s) and you're basically at par with the majority of students. After that, just let your ECs and grades do that talking
 
biggoron42 said:
i want to know if you all think it is worth it for me to submit my application to either UCSF or UWashington. I know it is very difficult for an out of state student to even get an interview, but I really like the programs (and location :laugh: ) each school offers, and I was wondering if any of you had success there as an OOS. what do you all think? here is my mdapps:

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=5367

are the interview numbers better for a school like UCLA? From what I saw MSAR doesnt provide interview numbers for UCSF or Washington, so anecdotal evidence would be useful.


I'd say go ahead and try UCSF. I had similar numbers out of state and I didn't get an interview (did get a secondary), but they do take some out of staters, so if you're interested, I'd say give it a shot (I probably didn't get the interview b/c I didn't send them the "optional" essays on the secondary...oops!)

Also, from your MDapplicants, I'd recommend adding Johns Hopkins and WashU. They're not in the greatest locations, but they are excellent institutions, and I think they'd be interesed in your application because (to be blunt) numbers are more important to them in general than name, unlike some of the other schools on your list (but try for them all!)...just a suggestion
 
asunshine said:
Hm...my best individual MCAT scores were 9P 12V 11B (32), but my best total scores were 28-29.

So, weakness--possibly MCAT, 3.55 sgpa (3.8 postbac)
Strength--3 years experience as an RN in an inner city ICU, hence good LORs from attendings and lots of experience with really really sick people.

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=5440

I really really want to apply ED due to my family situation. I can't think of many other schools to apply to as I would like to stay in the Milwaukee/Chicago area. Is it lame to fill out the AACOMAS if I'm only applying to one DO school (osteopathic med *does* interest me somewhat)?
I "really really" think its advisable to apply to more than one osteopathic medical school if you decide that you are somewhat interested in DO and want to apply to DO schools. You don't want to apply to one and have to pay $100+ dollars versus a few other schools for ~$30 extra/school. Just a thought.

Your clincial experience is a definite plus. Your post bac will only help and your uGPA isn't so bad. Hopefully you'll score 30+. I don't know what MD schools you're thinking about applying to though, so I can't assess your candidacy. Ros Frank, Pritzker, Northwestern...etc...have different average stats. Hope this helps.
 
DHMO said:
I would significantly broaden the list of schools you apply to. As I understand it, unless you are a resident of oregon or washington, OHSU and UW (respectively) are almost impossible to get into (i think this may have changed for OHSU). UCSF is among the top schools in the country, and I don't think anyone can count on being accepted there, no matter how strong you application is. Your GPA is good, but not spectacular--in other words, it probably will not open or close doors for you. You seem like you have pretty good extra-curriculars, try to emphasize these in your personal statement. From the bried amount that you have shared, I would say that your most unique features as an applicant are your role as a mother and your fluency in 4 languages. Do well on the MCAT. Before we know your score on that, we can't really tell you if you are a competitive applicant, but the rest of your application seems relatively solid. Apply early and good luck!

Ditto on the MCAT score.

You CAN'T apply to UW unless you are a legal resident of Washington, Alaska, Wyoming, Montana or Idaho. There is a clause about coming from an underpriveldged background, but unless you grew up in Compton and had to learn to play the piano to feed your single mother's crack habit, don't bother.

You can apply to Oregon. They don't accept very many out of staters though. I do know a guy who got in from out of state.

Cali, as stated above, would be hard for anybody. Wait and see how you do on the MCAT, and maybe adjust your schools accordingly. I would DEFINATELY apply to more than those three schools. Find some other places where you would be happy going.
 
dr.desi said:
The schools I am interested are UCSF, UW, and OSHU.

This is the biggest problem with your odds. Very few people can pick two or three schools and expect to have a shot at one, particularly if one is a top school. Your GPA is average, and your MCAT doesn't exist yet. It would be better to start out shooting to get yourself a shot at any med school first with a strong MCAT performance, and worry about specific ones after applying to a decent number and broad range of schools of various caliber.
 
Thanks everyone...I am working to increase GPA...I am a WA resident. Owing to family circumstances I have to be here in the NW, that is why I picked those schools. Perhaps I should get a Masters, get more ECs and then apply in 2008 instead?
I am also wondering what I can do to make ECs spectacular...should I get a nursing assistant or EMT certification?
 
sen said:
I'd say go ahead and try UCSF. I had similar numbers out of state and I didn't get an interview (did get a secondary), but they do take some out of staters, so if you're interested, I'd say give it a shot (I probably didn't get the interview b/c I didn't send them the "optional" essays on the secondary...oops!)

Also, from your MDapplicants, I'd recommend adding Johns Hopkins and WashU. They're not in the greatest locations, but they are excellent institutions, and I think they'd be interesed in your application because (to be blunt) numbers are more important to them in general than name, unlike some of the other schools on your list (but try for them all!)...just a suggestion

thanks for the advice. i'm thinking about adding schools like JHU and WashU, but I feel like my school list is pretty long already. i want to put some quality time into each secondary, so adding 3 or 4 schools is a big deal to me. that's why im sort of on the fence.

we'll see though...ill probably end up adding at least one.
 
Sarg's kid said:
Ditto on the MCAT score.

You CAN'T apply to UW unless you are a legal resident of Washington, Alaska, Wyoming, Montana or Idaho. There is a clause about coming from an underpriveldged background, but unless you grew up in Compton and had to learn to play the piano to feed your single mother's crack habit, don't bother.


Thats not true, I know of a few people who did get in UW without being a resident or underprivaleged. There is one person on SDN who is an example. Also, I contacted them and they said they except a few highly competitive and motivated OOS student. I was born in WA but moved when I was five, but I will be reapply regardless. The person I talked to said that I was obviously highly motivated but needed to work my MCAT score :laugh:
 
HemaOncoDoc said:
Your clincial experience is a definite plus. Your post bac will only help and your uGPA isn't so bad. Hopefully you'll score 30+. I don't know what MD schools you're thinking about applying to though, so I can't assess your candidacy. Ros Frank, Pritzker, Northwestern...etc...have different average stats. Hope this helps.

Thanks, maybe I'll apply to more. I left all my other info on the mdapplicants link (cumgpa 3.74, all the schools are pretty much in my area). Ros Frank and MCW are probably the most likely, UChicago is a long shot (forget Northwestern!), and I can't think of many more DO schools, maybe Iowa?, that wouldn't require moving across the country. I might do Mayo just to get something on their letterhead 😉 This is just one hurdle after another!

Thanks for the help! Any other comments?
 
asunshine said:
Thanks, maybe I'll apply to more. I left all my other info on the mdapplicants link (cumgpa 3.74, all the schools are pretty much in my area). Ros Frank and MCW are probably the most likely, UChicago is a long shot (forget Northwestern!), and I can't think of many more DO schools, maybe Iowa?, that wouldn't require moving across the country. I might do Mayo just to get something on their letterhead 😉 This is just one hurdle after another!

Thanks for the help! Any other comments?

I think you've got a great shot at MCW. If staying midwest is really, really important to you, I think your list looks good. I do think you've got nothing to lose except a few bucks by applying to Mayo & NW as well.
 
biggoron42 said:
thanks for the advice. i'm thinking about adding schools like JHU and WashU, but I feel like my school list is pretty long already. i want to put some quality time into each secondary, so adding 3 or 4 schools is a big deal to me. that's why im sort of on the fence.

we'll see though...ill probably end up adding at least one.

no problem...keep in mind, however, that many schools use the same secondary questions, so sometimes doing 12 is almost as much work as doing 20 (last year on SDN there was a thread that listed all the secondary questions...you could always wait for that to come up and add schools to AMCAS if you see schools you are thinking about that have a secondary question you've already written). But last year, Baylor and WashU had essentially the same seconday question. Also, last year, I thought the JHU secondary was an excellent way to prepare for interviews b/c they asked the qeustions "what specialty are you interested in" and "why did you pick your ugrad school" which came up again and again in interviews.

Best of luck!
 
BCPM: 3.48
Overall: 3.78
(from MIT)
MCAT: not sure yet, low-mid 30's?
URM-hispanic
soc. science major

volunteer: not so much, will have 200+ hrs by end of summer from a free clinic for illegal immigrants, mention this position in PS (and getting july LOR from volunteer coordinator)
clinical: not so much, hoping summer volunteering will make that up, planning on shadowing someone as well
research: in-depth individual project for very famous prof, good LOR from him
special things: ton of interesting work in public health/health disparities/etc.

top choices: vanderbilt or duke. SERIOUSLY want to get into vandy, would love to know my chances of being accepted there with these stats (tear, bcpm gpa, how you have suffered from being gotten at mit)

applying to:
Vanderbilt (I love you, please let me in), Duke
1. UAB - i love you too
2. MCG
3. UNC
4. UVA
3. U South Carolina
4. Med. College South Carolina
5. VCU
6. Baylor
7. all florida state schools (3)
8. U Miami
9. Wake Forest
10. other southern schools I can't remember at the moment

Are there any other southern schools I should add to my list?
Are schools going to give me a little bit of leniency since all my science classes are from MIT?
Most of all, do I have a shot at Vandy or Duke?

thanks for your help guys. man i wish we were done with secondaries already! this process is becoming increasingly stressful!
 
sara3426 said:
volunteer: not so much, will have 200+ hrs by end of summer from a free clinic for illegal immigrants, mention this position in PS (and getting july LOR from volunteer coordinator)
since when does 200+ hours of volunteering = "not so much"?? that's more than many people have going into medical school. i think you will be fine in that category. good :luck:
 
scentimint said:
since when does 200+ hours of volunteering = "not so much"?? that's more than many people have going into medical school. i think you will be fine in that category. good :luck:

sorry, i was unclear. I have, like, 20 hours right now. By the end of the summer i will have 200+. So most of that won't be on my AMCAS.
 
sara3426 said:
sorry, i was unclear. I have, like, 20 hours right now. By the end of the summer i will have 200+. So most of that won't be on my AMCAS.
ahh, gotcha. i think you should still include that on your AMCAS though, since it's anticipated...i'm not sure exactly how you would do that, but maybe contact them to see.
 
Sara, you have a great chance and good breadth/depth in your application. I think you should also shadow a doc, too, maybe a specialist. I think sometimes seeing only a free clinic can skew your view of medicine (i.e. if my only view of a physician came from a free clinic, I would never have realized all the medicare, billing, accreditation, lawsuits, etc. that docs have to deal with). Free clinic isn't the real world (*unfortunately*!), and shadowing could give you a good dose of that, plus you could see what a specialty/procedure is like. You wouldn't need to do it a whole lot, just to get your feet wet. Good job, smarty pants!

Molly and HemeOnco, thanks for your replies!!! 😍
 
sara3426 said:
applying to:
Vanderbilt (I love you, please let me in), Duke
1. UAB - i love you too
2. MCG
3. UNC
4. UVA
3. U South Carolina
4. Med. College South Carolina
5. VCU
6. Baylor
7. all florida state schools (3)
8. U Miami
9. Wake Forest
10. other southern schools I can't remember at the moment

Are there any other southern schools I should add to my list?

What is your legal state of residence? These southern public state schools heavily prefer in-state residents, and some don't even accept OOS students.
 
Hiya, just updated my mdapplicants profile to include schools I was interested in. Mostly i was wondering if my goals are realistic and whether if there are lower/higher schools that I should also consider.

I'm really interested in living in a metropolitan area and preferably I want to not be in the south (4 years in NC is enough for me =D)
 
Does she have any change to get in some where?
 
Please check the FAQs before posting again.
 
sekem said:
Does she have any change to get in some where?


Nope. No change at all. 😉

P.S. I hate when people mock spelling, but I thought it was really funny in this case.
 
Hey Everyone
I just made an mdapplicant profile as well. =)

I'm still trying to decide whether or not to apply for MSTP. I love research, but I guess I am still unsure whether I am competitive enough to get into some of the programs. =(

I have mostly top tier schools on my list... but what do u guys think? What are my chances of getting interviews on schools of my choice?

I really appreciate all your help! =)
 
byong_soo said:
Hey Everyone
I just made an mdapplicant profile as well. =)

I'm still trying to decide whether or not to apply for MSTP. I love research, but I guess I am still unsure whether I am competitive enough to get into some of the programs. =(

I have mostly top tier schools on my list... but what do u guys think? What are my chances of getting interviews on schools of my choice?

I really appreciate all your help! =)
Depends on the MCAT scores. You have a lot of Cali schools there. They're MCAT number ******. If your MCATS are in the mid 30s, you're in really good shape. Best of luck.
 
Alright... my turn.... my mdapps profile is in my signature. I'm waiting on April MCAT, I'm guessing I'll be at about 30, but we all know guesses aren't reliable.

The list of schools is really long... suggestions to add/delete welcome. My bf of almost six years and I are trying to end up near eachother... he's an ND resident I'm a TX resident so it'll be difficult. With that in mind.... I'm ready for your comments.
 
where should i apply, im in florida, went to fsu had an overall gpa of 3.2 🙁 so i wasn't the best but i have good EC and now am getting clinical experience. and shadowing.
 
scentimint said:
since when does 200+ hours of volunteering = "not so much"?? that's more than many people have going into medical school. i think you will be fine in that category. good :luck:

I guess my +500 hrs is overkill, huh?
 
Zanoman said:
I guess my +500 hrs is overkill, huh?
there's no such thing as overkill...that's awesome! it sounds like you've had some great experiences volunteering. good for you. 🙂
 
Hey everyone, check you my MdApps profile in my sig and tell me what you think. Feel free to leave comments on there, I'll approve all of them.

MFP
 
I'm a sophomore, (three semesters done) with:

~4.0 GPA
~Intramural participation
~lots of Volunteer work done in during Highschool at a Mental Health Clinic + lots of Volunteer work done for other organizations throughout college so far, and highschool (church, Salvation Army, camps, etc) for a total of roughly 250 hours.
~participation in NYLF: Forum on Medicine (another thing I did in Highschool, heh)


Part of my major requires part of a summer at a research lab, so that will be on there too.

My question is..should I try to do more volunteer work? I've got my summer to spend now, and I want to make the best use of my time. Can highschool volunteer work be also included on a med school application, or is it just stuff I do during my college years that should be put down?
 
zootso said:
I'm a sophomore, (three semesters done) with:

~4.0 GPA
~Intramural participation
~lots of Volunteer work done in during Highschool at a Mental Health Clinic + lots of Volunteer work done for other organizations throughout college so far, and highschool (church, Salvation Army, camps, etc) for a total of roughly 250 hours.
~participation in NYLF: Forum on Medicine (another thing I did in Highschool, heh)


Part of my major requires part of a summer at a research lab, so that will be on there too.

My question is..should I try to do more volunteer work? I've got my summer to spend now, and I want to make the best use of my time. Can highschool volunteer work be also included on a med school application, or is it just stuff I do during my college years that should be put down?

I don't think you should include the NYLF in there. I did that in highschool, too and my advisor said I shouldn't include something like that in highschool. You could probably include the volunteer work, though, provided it was an experience that carried over into college.

MFP
 
zootso said:
I'm a sophomore, (three semesters done) with:

~4.0 GPA
~Intramural participation
~lots of Volunteer work done in during Highschool at a Mental Health Clinic + lots of Volunteer work done for other organizations throughout college so far, and highschool (church, Salvation Army, camps, etc) for a total of roughly 250 hours.
~participation in NYLF: Forum on Medicine (another thing I did in Highschool, heh)


Part of my major requires part of a summer at a research lab, so that will be on there too.

My question is..should I try to do more volunteer work? I've got my summer to spend now, and I want to make the best use of my time. Can highschool volunteer work be also included on a med school application, or is it just stuff I do during my college years that should be put down?
generally, medical schools encourage applicants to only include activities and work experiences done during or after college. if it's something that you started in HS and intensified during college, then that might be ok to mention when you get to the AMCAS application. but generally, you should plan on med schools paying the most attention to your college activities.
 
My total GPA is 3.6 but my science GPA 3.3. I will graduate from Penn State with dual majors, Premed and Health Administrative. I also on Dean list for 4 semesters. I think my MCAT would be around 26-28. I shadowed the doctor around 120 hrs before I went to college. I am looking for something to volunteer this summer but it seems very hard to find one.

What is my chance to get into MD or DO schools? I live in PA what schools do you think I might get in? (I don't care if it is in state or out of state)

Please help
 
I guess Ill join the fun too mates.
 
aliziry said:
I guess Ill join the fun too mates.
Numbers wise you're about as average as you can get but your ECs show you've accomplished quite a bit. I think that as well as your URM status will help open a lot of doors.

I have a question, how does one be on the Jewish Alliance and MSA at teh same time? I suppose they're not mutally exclusive, nm.. haha
 
kevster2001 said:
Numbers wise you're about as average as you can get but your ECs show you've accomplished quite a bit. I think that as well as your URM status will help open a lot of doors.

I have a question, how does one be on the Jewish Alliance and MSA at teh same time? I suppose they're not mutally exclusive, nm.. haha

Our groups collaborated on several issues and held forums on Middle Eastern issues. Also my grandmothers Jewish.
 
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