*^~*~^* The Official 2006-2007 "What Are My Chances/Where to Apply" Thread *^~*~^* part 01

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Dear all,

I'd really appreciate some honest advice on my case: =]

I have 25O, PS 10, BS 9, VR6, I'm retaking in August this year, aiming for a 30+ at least since I was underprepared last time (didn't even do those EK 1001s and only few AAMC tests).

I have GPA (general and BCPM) both in the 3.5s. The pre-reqs I didn't do that well in them (mostly Bs and 1C + 1W, very few As) but I outweigh in by getting many As in my double major (physics and bioengineering)

My ECs are strong, as my premed advisor commented (see bottom of this post). But I just don't know how much would that compensate my grades. 😕

Also, I grew up in asia and speak their language fluently (US born originally), so I think I can bring diversity to the class.

My premed advisors suggested that I should be prepared that I may need to apply again next year and advised me to continue working hard this upcoming senior year (but actually, even if i choose to I apply this year, I know i'll be working hard anyways since there are always chances I get late interviews and I can send in updates to the schools--but i'm undecided now on whether to apply yet..)

But what do you guys think? Should I apply this cycle or wait?

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There's social stigma from my friends from that country I grew up in to take a year off. No one does that unless they are lazy or didn't do well in school. Also, I could have just went straight into med school there after 13th grade, and do a 5 year med schools+ 1 yr required internship and I would already be a liscensed doctor, free to practice as a General Practitioner. (How many years of residency GP need to do here btw 😕 I'm aiming for going into a specialty nonetheless, but just wondering what's the difference in the planning of the years ahead...) In any case, I guess since I've already taken the long road compared to my old friends there, I'm uncertain if I want to take a year off after my senior year next year and be an extra year behind.

And yes, it's true that maybe I can get in this year, but I had really hoped to get into those top tier schools. Though yes I know all of them are likely almost equally good. But I think if I wait a year, I can have a much higher chance at those top tier ones (e.g. those ranking above the 20s lets say).
Because my grades have been continually improving, and this year since only have 6 classes left, I can take even more electives that interests me (in particular those in bioengineering and physics or healthcare management etc.) and that i think I can get a good grade on. Plus, I can do more frontline research and complete that big event for my healthcare group that I'm a director of. etcetc.

Nonetheless, since my family and most of my friends are from that country I grew up in, and I may ultimately practice there (not sure now still), I do care about how late I compare to others there in terms of timing and lateness(with my grades I could have got into their med school few years back but I chose to finish my bachelor's here) and what they may think of my qualifications to a certain extent.

Do you think it would be a good reason to wait a cycle if only my goal is to get into the top tier schools over possibly getting into one this year but that is likely not one of my preferred schools?😕

Also, I can also just try out this year, and if I didn't get into one, or get into one I don't wish to go, I can also apply next cycle again. But how do adcom look upon re-applying? 😕 I seem to hear so many people who advocate waiting for the next cycle to apply if unsure.. what are the usual reasons?

Finally, I'm exploring my options if I'm taking a year off, since I've been involved with a lot of public health outreach work, I may be interested in a 1 year degree or non-degree in MPH. Anyone know how tough are those to get in? 😕 what do you think about this route then?

Thank you! I'm looking forward to hearing your comments soon!

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ECs:
extensive leadership work in both health-care and academic groups,
tutoring,
long-term music involvements with awards and performance history,
did shadowing,
taken clinical/surgical rotations elective at a local medical school,
research (1 independent + 1 few years back helping with a Prof and grad student) + a clinical one started in May this year (more significant involvement--me doing bulk of the work so far--from design to analysis, since it's a simpler study) possible publication later or at least some presentation/postering
scholarship,
dean's list(s)...
 
Hello All.

First time making an account on this forum, but have been reading for quite a while with not much to say since I am inexperienced. But I just wanted some general suggestions.

I will be a 4th year starting Fall 06 at University of Califorina, Irvine and am a Cali resident.

Quick info:
MCAT this past April
PS: 12; VR: 9; BS: 10
= 31 O

BCPM: 3.55
Overall: 3.61
Major: Bio Sci and Computer Sci
Dean's list x5
2 Research areas:
-Chemoinformatics (computational; 2 quarters + coming summer, 10 hours a week)
-Golgi research (lab; 1 quarter + coming summer at 30 hours a week, possible paper within a year)
Clinical experience: 300+ hours in 1.5 years with rotations
Involvement with community service frat for almost 2 years, at least 40 hours a year on top of others
Letters of Recs: 1 solid science from PI/professor, 1 solid non-science, 2 others debatable

I am looking to attend schools within the UC, but if possible, out-of-state schools too.

Schools:
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC San Franciso
UC Los Angeles
USC
Harvard
Northwestern
Loyola University Chicago
Johns Hopkins University
Stanford University
just to name a few.

My question: Would it be advisable to apply this year application year, or wait a year? If this year, are there any other schools that better fit my current description that I should consider?

Waiting a year would allow me to to boost up my GPA and strengthen my LORs with some professors and my research experience. Possibly take the MCAT again August or when CBT version comes out. For the MCAT, I can increase my PS and BS but my VR varies a bit. I was lucky to get a high VR score on the real deal. Also, to have more emphasis on community service, and would involved in a leadership position in the frat and put more hours in. My GPA has been going on a upward trend, so if I keep it up, then it should increase.

For me, I am heavily focused on school, averaging 22 units a quarter on top of research. Would that be taken into account for heavy workload and lack of EC elsewhere? I have a pretty good goal for pursuing a double major, which is more long term, and I am not sure I have enough real concrete activities to put down on paper, so everything right now is just "talk", which is my research and school work. It basically involves building software for physicans, in a general sense. But of course I would like to practice.

So wait a year, or not... wait a year or not...

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as to potential in the application process or what not, and I'll and put my 2 cents in where I think I can help. Thanks!
 
Ok, I am a Texas resident, URM, 34S MCAT, 3.9 GPA. I have done research programs every summer since my junior year of HS. Currently I'm doing one in Cardio-Thoracic Surgery in the Netherlands. I am applying to:
Stanford
UCSF
BCM
What are my chances, especially of the CA schools? Thanks for any help!
 
theothernguyen said:
Hello All.


Waiting a year would allow me to to boost up my GPA and strengthen my LORs with some professors and my research experience. Possibly take the MCAT again August or when CBT version comes out. For the MCAT, I can increase my PS and BS but my VR varies a bit. I was lucky to get a high VR score on the real deal. Also, to have more emphasis on community service, and would involved in a leadership position in the frat and put more hours in. My GPA has been going on a upward trend, so if I keep it up, then it should increase.

For me, I am heavily focused on school, averaging 22 units a quarter on top of research. Would that be taken into account for heavy workload and lack of EC elsewhere? I have a pretty good goal for pursuing a double major, which is more long term, and I am not sure I have enough real concrete activities to put down on paper, so everything right now is just "talk", which is my research and school work. It basically involves building software for physicans, in a general sense. But of course I would like to practice.

So wait a year, or not... wait a year or not...

Your workload for classes should be considered. That is very impressive with a decent GPA.

Why not apply and see if things pan out. If not then you can at least apply next year. I would suggeset sending updated grades when fall semester ends and sending in updates, how you are improving yourself from when you previously applied. I saw that someone did that and got into a really good school.

Can you do some EC this summer?
 
doctordutch said:
Ok, I am a Texas resident, URM, 34S MCAT, 3.9 GPA. I have done research programs every summer since my junior year of HS. Currently I'm doing one in Cardio-Thoracic Surgery in the Netherlands. I am applying to:
Stanford
UCSF
BCM
What are my chances, especially of the CA schools? Thanks for any help!

Would you include any of the texas schools? You have a ton there, so might as well apply-- if you would want to go there. Would East Coast interest you? Your stats are pretty impressive. Have you done volunteer work/shadowing or more research oriented? Also are you considering a MD/PhD, since you have a lot of research?
 
Hi, this is my first post and I thought it would be appropriate after the April score release. My score was a 30Q (12P, 10V, 8B) and I'm a GA resident. I'm at a bit of a loss whether or not to retake the August MCAT and delay my app til Oct or just to apply now. I think in August I should be able to get at least a 33-34. So is this much increase worth it? Also, for the AMCAS, is it better to fill it out now or just go ahead and wait until August. Also, if I decide after submitting the AMCAS that I don't want to take the August MCAT, can I change my preference and have my app reviewed? Sorry for all the questions. Thanks in advance for your help.
 
lynn623la said:
Would you include any of the texas schools? You have a ton there, so might as well apply-- if you would want to go there. Would East Coast interest you? Your stats are pretty impressive. Have you done volunteer work/shadowing or more research oriented? Also are you considering a MD/PhD, since you have a lot of research?

I shadowed at a family clinic for an SMEP program at BCM, and my research right now is very patient related. My volunteering is mostly tutoring and mentoring HS/college students. There was a time I was considering MD/PhD, but I have decided MD is more what I want to do. As for the Texas schools, Baylor is the only one that interests me (it's basically the best), and all the others require a separate non-AMCAS app. What I really want to know are my chances for the CA schools. East coast is not for me.
 
Anastasis said:
You're URM with great stats. You should be fine I would think.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Stanford is my dream school, and UCSF is such a great institution.
 
vmc303 said:
Ok, somebody do me, please. 3.45 GPA (4.0+ post-bac), Philosophy degree from an Ivy, 35 MCAT. A few years of work experience at a hospital in an administrative role, as well as a good post-college internship in policy research at a think tank. Good recs from science teachers and bosses. No significant volunteering or research, mostly since I just haven't had time this past year with work and school both, and I wasn't on a pre-med track in college. Some random EC's in college, but nothing that I spent hundreds of hours doing or that won me any awards. I hope to start doing some clinical volunteering work immediately, so at least I can talk about that during interviews. Also, I can write a very good essay, and I interview well.

Any suggestions for what range of schools I should be looking at? I feel like my chances are especially random. My GPA/MCAT/EC's aren't strong enough to make me a good candidate at most top 50 schools, but like other people have said, you never know what might catch one person's eye.

Bump. Anyone?
 
Hi Everyone,
This is my first post ever on SDN although I've been checking the forums regularly. I badly need advice from all other pre-med students out there.
I'm a Texas resident with a 38P (Verbal 12, Physical 13, Biological 13) and GPA of 3.95. I have a bunch of leadership/volunteer/extracurricular activities and unfortunately no research.
I really need to know what my chances of getting into any of the top 10 schools are (Stanford being my top choice like a bunch of other guys out here) and if you're kind enough, please tell me in your opinion, my chances of getting into # 10-20 schools and california schools as well (my whole family's moving to califronia).
Any comments are truly appreciated.
Thanks
 
Hednej said:
Hi Everyone,
This is my first post ever on SDN although I've been checking the forums regularly. I badly need advice from all other pre-med students out there.
I'm a Texas resident with a 38P (Verbal 12, Physical 13, Biological 13) and GPA of 3.95. I have a bunch of leadership/volunteer/extracurricular activities and unfortunately no research.
I really need to know what my chances of getting into any of the top 10 schools are (Stanford being my top choice like a bunch of other guys out here) and if you're kind enough, please tell me in your opinion, my chances of getting into # 10-20 schools and california schools as well (my whole family's moving to califronia).
Any comments are truly appreciated.
Thanks
The no research is what is going to kill you. Most top schools really like to see some. You probably have a good shot at Baylor. But your MCAT and grades are great. If you don't get into a top school the research will be what's holding you back.
 
Anastasis said:
The no research is what is going to kill you. Most top schools really like to see some. You probably have a good shot at Baylor. But your MCAT and grades are great. If you don't get into a top school the research will be what's holding you back.
Yeah, I was actually kind of worried about the research part myself. Anybody else has the same opinion? Just as a side note, the reason that I didn't do any of those summer research programs is because I spent all three summers at different pre-med programs in different med schools.
Thanks again Anastasis and everybody else in advance.
 
Hednej said:
Yeah, I was actually kind of worried about the research part myself. Anybody else has the same opinion? Just as a side note, the reason that I didn't do any of those summer research programs is because I spent all three summers at different pre-med programs in different med schools.
Thanks again Anastasis and everybody else in advance.
Don't worry. I'm in a similar boat (though my grades are bad and yours are great). Do you have a mdapps page?
 
lynn623la said:
Your workload for classes should be considered. That is very impressive with a decent GPA.

Why not apply and see if things pan out. If not then you can at least apply next year. I would suggeset sending updated grades when fall semester ends and sending in updates, how you are improving yourself from when you previously applied. I saw that someone did that and got into a really good school.

Can you do some EC this summer?

Hmm, I was thinking of just applying for the heck of it, but when it comes down to LORs, I don't have enough solid recs, and I am not sure if it is appropriate to ask for one, and get a medicore one and then next year, if I choose to reapply, ask for a new one, if that is even possible. EC is very possible, but summer school and lots of hours for research seem to be in the way, and also if I retake the MCAT, studying. Any type of EC that anyone would recommend?

Thanks
 
Anastasis said:
The no research is what is going to kill you. Most top schools really like to see some. You probably have a good shot at Baylor. But your MCAT and grades are great. If you don't get into a top school the research will be what's holding you back.

I would think that research isn't too important unless you are aiming for a MD/PhD or MSTP...? At least that is what I heard. But some research is always good as it shows ability to work independently and think for yourself.
 
theothernguyen said:
I would think that research isn't too important unless you are aiming for a MD/PhD or MSTP...? At least that is what I heard. But some research is always good as it shows ability to work independently and think for yourself.
Some prior research experience is important at many of the institutions whose primary funding comes from research grants, which includes many of the top 20 institutions (e.g. harvard, stanford, etc.). Yale, for example, has a required research portion of the MD program, and they would probably look for applicants who have demonstrated at least some exposure to research.
 
I hope you're right. (because I have no research)

But I still think at the big schools no research will hurt and otherwise strong app.

This certainly is not true at other state schools though.
 
Anastasis said:
I hope you're right. (because I have no research)

well...uh....at least you're not like me, who's the other way around 😳
 
Teerawit said:
well...uh....at least you're not like me, who's the other way around 😳
i hope you're not trying to say that your app isn't otherwise strong....seriously, Mr. T...you are amazing all the way around!
 
Anastasis said:
Gig'em - Fightin' Aggie class of '04 here.

Look at GW, Temple, Tulane (maybe?), Rosalin Franklin, tell me what you think.

31 & 3.45 are below average at SW and Baylor but you probably stand a good shot at other TX schools. Do you interview well? What other clinical exp do you have besides the shadowing? Was the "leadership development" a FLOW (like Assist or something, I forget the others)?

I looked at the schools you listed, not extensively, but they do have similar stats to mine. I hesitate to apply to Tulane because I haven't really heard about how much they have re-opened, etc. I think I interview well. Can't think of any jobs/positions that I haven't gotten after an interview. I don't have any other clinical experience other than shadowing. What did you have in mind? My current research project is measuring physician benefits and adoption barriers associated with electronic health record and computerized physician order entry systems. I am shadowing physicians from MANY different specialties to quantify the benefits. I did MSC LEAD for my leadership development. What about applying to Drexel?
 
So what is the general consensus on what qualifies as research?

I have been doing grunt work for a while now in a lab. How will that be interpreted by schools? 👍 👎 😕
 
Hey all!

I'm wondering where all to apply!!

Because of my ties to my state, my favorites are my state schools. (WI) Should I include reach schools anyway?

How should I manipulate early decision? Can I do this in my favor?

What if I'm not accepted to the state schools?

I'm getting jittery. I plan to submit AMCAS by next week.

Any comments are appreciated!
 
I've attached my profile in the link below. Basically I'm in a dual degree program but wish to apply to other schools that offer better finanical aids/cheaper tuition. Any advices on the schools selected would be highly appreciated :luck:

Basic Stats:
GPA (science/non-science): 4.0
MCAT: 37Q (PS: 13, VR: 9, BS: 15)
- I don't know what happened to my verbal that day. English is not my first language but I usually score higher than 9 on practice tests.

Schools considering:
Baylor
Mayo
Harvard
Wash U (?)
Stanford (?)
Duke (?)

I read that Duke and Stanford offer good financial aid, is this true? How good is Wash U at giving out money?

Thanks!!!

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=5932
 
please anyone?
Januine said:
Dear all,

I'd really appreciate some honest advice on my case: =]

I have 25O, PS 10, BS 9, VR6, I'm retaking in August this year, aiming for a 30+ at least since I was underprepared last time (didn't even do those EK 1001s and only few AAMC tests).

I have GPA (general and BCPM) both in the 3.5s. The pre-reqs I didn't do that well in them (mostly Bs and 1C + 1W, very few As) but I outweigh in by getting many As in my double major (physics and bioengineering)

My ECs are strong, as my premed advisor commented (see bottom of this post). But I just don't know how much would that compensate my grades. 😕

Also, I grew up in asia and speak their language fluently (US born originally), so I think I can bring diversity to the class.

My premed advisors suggested that I should be prepared that I may need to apply again next year and advised me to continue working hard this upcoming senior year (but actually, even if i choose to I apply this year, I know i'll be working hard anyways since there are always chances I get late interviews and I can send in updates to the schools--but i'm undecided now on whether to apply yet..)

But what do you guys think? Should I apply this cycle or wait?

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There's social stigma from my friends from that country I grew up in to take a year off. No one does that unless they are lazy or didn't do well in school. Also, I could have just went straight into med school there after 13th grade, and do a 5 year med schools+ 1 yr required internship and I would already be a liscensed doctor, free to practice as a General Practitioner. (How many years of residency GP need to do here btw 😕 I'm aiming for going into a specialty nonetheless, but just wondering what's the difference in the planning of the years ahead...) In any case, I guess since I've already taken the long road compared to my old friends there, I'm uncertain if I want to take a year off after my senior year next year and be an extra year behind.

And yes, it's true that maybe I can get in this year, but I had really hoped to get into those top tier schools. Though yes I know all of them are likely almost equally good. But I think if I wait a year, I can have a much higher chance at those top tier ones (e.g. those ranking above the 20s lets say).
Because my grades have been continually improving, and this year since only have 6 classes left, I can take even more electives that interests me (in particular those in bioengineering and physics or healthcare management etc.) and that i think I can get a good grade on. Plus, I can do more frontline research and complete that big event for my healthcare group that I'm a director of. etcetc.

Nonetheless, since my family and most of my friends are from that country I grew up in, and I may ultimately practice there (not sure now still), I do care about how late I compare to others there in terms of timing and lateness(with my grades I could have got into their med school few years back but I chose to finish my bachelor's here) and what they may think of my qualifications to a certain extent.

Do you think it would be a good reason to wait a cycle if only my goal is to get into the top tier schools over possibly getting into one this year but that is likely not one of my preferred schools?😕

Also, I can also just try out this year, and if I didn't get into one, or get into one I don't wish to go, I can also apply next cycle again. But how do adcom look upon re-applying? 😕 I seem to hear so many people who advocate waiting for the next cycle to apply if unsure.. what are the usual reasons?

Finally, I'm exploring my options if I'm taking a year off, since I've been involved with a lot of public health outreach work, I may be interested in a 1 year degree or non-degree in MPH. Anyone know how tough are those to get in? 😕 what do you think about this route then?

Thank you! I'm looking forward to hearing your comments soon!

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ECs:
extensive leadership work in both health-care and academic groups,
tutoring,
long-term music involvements with awards and performance history,
did shadowing,
taken clinical/surgical rotations elective at a local medical school,
research (1 independent + 1 few years back helping with a Prof and grad student) + a clinical one started in May this year (more significant involvement--me doing bulk of the work so far--from design to analysis, since it's a simpler study) possible publication later or at least some presentation/postering
scholarship,
dean's list(s)...
 
Hey guys.

I need insights from people with similar experiences

PS 11
VR 7
BS 10
Total 28 "L"

GPA 3.96(major EE)
State of residence: Texas
EC's: 2 years hospital volunteering. 2 years with the american cancer society, shadowed a cardiologist, worked as a student instructor for different subjects..some honors...and a bunch of other EC's...plus had to work 20+ hours/week all over my school years.

Apply or retake? I hope Texas will give me an advantage. If someone has similar experience please share..

Thanks to yall
 
can anyone offer insight on my list of schools? do i have too many?

mdapps is in my sig! thanks!! :luck:
 
theaggie07 said:
I looked at the schools you listed, not extensively, but they do have similar stats to mine. I hesitate to apply to Tulane because I haven't really heard about how much they have re-opened, etc. I think I interview well. Can't think of any jobs/positions that I haven't gotten after an interview. I don't have any other clinical experience other than shadowing. What did you have in mind? My current research project is measuring physician benefits and adoption barriers associated with electronic health record and computerized physician order entry systems. I am shadowing physicians from MANY different specialties to quantify the benefits. I did MSC LEAD for my leadership development. What about applying to Drexel?
I don't know much about Drexel. Sorry. Interview well will be to your benefit! If you get to the interview stage you probably stand a good shot at UTSW or Baylor. Make sure you point out that experience you have shadowing doctors within your research (I'm sure you will, just reiterating that point). I was thinking about volunteer work at a clinic or something but if your shadowing is that extensive, you're golden. Still add some OOS state schools within your range to ensure yourself a spot in med school.

PS: I remember MSC Lead - I was in Wiley (back in the day) you people used to piss us off because you always took over the SPO :laugh: ah the good old days 😀
 
I got interviewed at Drexel 2 years ago with a 3.3 GPA, 31 MCAT, and not so good letters of recommendation. It was a waste of time and money. The school is kind of ugly and so is the surrounding neighborhood.
 
Januine:
It does seem like your ec's are good and solid. Your MCATs however are pretty poor. With that score it will be difficult to get into any med school much less a top 20 school. You need to bring it up. Remember of all the applicants, the average is a 27. For those who get in it is a 30. For those who attend top tier it is around a 34-35.

Your GPA is just low/average for middle tier schools and low for upper tier schools. Your pre rec grades are low as well which further weakens the GPA. It helps that you are foreign but since you are asian (i'm assuming), not that much.

If you don't get in, Graduate level post-bac programs are always an option.
These are much easier to get into than med school. Check AAMC.org for programs near you. MPH is a good choice as well. Your GPA should be fine to get into most masters/SMP's.

A friend of mine going into family practice had to do 2 extra years.

Honestly, even if you wait a year, I am not sure you would get into a top tier school. The MCATs alone are way too low. While your extra curriculars are decent, they may not be enough. To wait a year so you can go to a top tier school is not a good idea. I would recommend applying but make sure you do not aim too high.

With a much higher MCAT score you would have a good shot of getting in somewhere.
 
Januine said:
please anyone?

I agree, you should be shooting to get in anywhere, never mind top 20's. Your EC's are good, but nothing absolutely astounding so I wouldn't bank on them getting you in to Harvard.

It seems like your reptutation among peers "in your home country" is dictating a lot of what you plan to do... Maybe you need to take a step back and look at everything realistically and without the stigmas and pressures applied by others.

That said, with a MUCH better MCAT you will probably be able to get in somewhere (a 36 would average your 24 to a 30 bringing you to the average of accepted applicants...). You probably don't have much chance this cycle with a 24 (Below the average of all people who took the test).

~60,000 take the MCAT each year, ~35,000 apply in each cycle, and ~15,000 get in. Therfore your below average score puts you in the bottom half of that 60,000, meaning somewhere in the bottom 5000 of all total applicants assuming that most from the way bottom (scores 3-20 don't apply). Even then there are already 20,000 people that will not be able to matriculate. Pair that with a low/average GPA and non-URM status and you're asking for a heartbreak. :scared:

Sorry its not nice touchy feely advice, but study hard, bump up your score and you'll be competitive.
 
coco11 said:
can anyone offer insight on my list of schools? do i have too many?

mdapps is in my sig! thanks!! :luck:


pleeeease?
 
My Mcat score is 32Q, GPA 3.46 Biomedical Engineering. Do you think I have a chance? I think I have a good personal statement, above average extracurriculars (not stellar), and decent letters of rec. Where do you think I should apply? I want to go to a CA school? Any advice/stories? Your help is greatly appreciated
 
You should look at UCDavis or maybe UCIrvine and try your chances there
 
can anyone else comment on mine? Thanks in advance!
 
Instatewaiter said:
Januine:
It does seem like your ec's are good and solid. Your MCATs however are pretty poor. With that score it will be difficult to get into any med school much less a top 20 school. You need to bring it up. Remember of all the applicants, the average is a 27. For those who get in it is a 30. For those who attend top tier it is around a 34-35.

Your GPA is just low/average for middle tier schools and low for upper tier schools. Your pre rec grades are low as well which further weakens the GPA. It helps that you are foreign but since you are asian (i'm assuming), not that much.

If you don't get in, Graduate level post-bac programs are always an option.
These are much easier to get into than med school. Check AAMC.org for programs near you. MPH is a good choice as well. Your GPA should be fine to get into most masters/SMP's.

A friend of mine going into family practice had to do 2 extra years.

Honestly, even if you wait a year, I am not sure you would get into a top tier school. The MCATs alone are way too low. While your extra curriculars are decent, they may not be enough. To wait a year so you can go to a top tier school is not a good idea. I would recommend applying but make sure you do not aim too high.

With a much higher MCAT score you would have a good shot of getting in somewhere.

Thank you so much for your reply, instatewaiter, =]
I'm actually studying right now for the August MCAT. I'm hoping for a 30+ at least. I've been studying for two weeks now and I'm gonna take a practice test soon to see how I do...
You mentioned if I get a much higher MCAT score I may have a "good shot of getting in somewhere", in that case, do you think I should try applying this year nonetheless?
How is reapplying (say if i need to for next year) would be looked upon?

I actually looked into some post-bac/masters programs in addition to some of the MPH ones, a few seems quite good so I may really look into that. My GPA has actually been increasing (because i"m taking more courses for my major, which hover around the A's), going from 3.75 sophomore spring, junior fall, and a slight drop 3.67 last term. But I'm quite confident that it will go up again since last term it was only because of the late start and thus cramming of MCAT. In that case, if I continue to improve my record and wait a year to apply, do you think that I may... at least have some chances at a top tier in that case? 😕
 
SpinEcho13 said:
I agree, you should be shooting to get in anywhere, never mind top 20's. Your EC's are good, but nothing absolutely astounding so I wouldn't bank on them getting you in to Harvard.

It seems like your reptutation among peers "in your home country" is dictating a lot of what you plan to do... Maybe you need to take a step back and look at everything realistically and without the stigmas and pressures applied by others.

That said, with a MUCH better MCAT you will probably be able to get in somewhere (a 36 would average your 24 to a 30 bringing you to the average of accepted applicants...). You probably don't have much chance this cycle with a 24 (Below the average of all people who took the test).

~60,000 take the MCAT each year, ~35,000 apply in each cycle, and ~15,000 get in. Therfore your below average score puts you in the bottom half of that 60,000, meaning somewhere in the bottom 5000 of all total applicants assuming that most from the way bottom (scores 3-20 don't apply). Even then there are already 20,000 people that will not be able to matriculate. Pair that with a low/average GPA and non-URM status and you're asking for a heartbreak. :scared:

Sorry its not nice touchy feely advice, but study hard, bump up your score and you'll be competitive.

SpinEcho13
, thank you for the heartful advice. Yes, I can totally see that situation looming in the horizon, that's why I'm starting to ponder...
But I'm indeed going to retake MCAT, and I'm shooting for this August again.
From your opinion then, should I apply this year still? Does reapplying look bad?

As I said in the above post, if my grades stay high (in the 3.7s or above) for my senior year, together with the new MCAT, do you think I have a better chance for the top tiers?
If I am able to get a 33+ this year, I may indeed have a chance somewhere, probably a third tier (assuming there're total of 3 tiers ), do you think? or did you mean that I should wait to apply?

And what did you mean averaging the MCAT scores, I heard most schools don't do that (i.e. a large %), or do they still? Does most of the Ivies don't? 😕

Thank you again. =]
 
Johannen said:
Hey all!

I'm wondering where all to apply!!

Because of my ties to my state, my favorites are my state schools. (WI) Should I include reach schools anyway?

How should I manipulate early decision? Can I do this in my favor?

What if I'm not accepted to the state schools?

I'm getting jittery. I plan to submit AMCAS by next week.

Any comments are appreciated!
bump. MDApp profile is in my sig.
 
Uhh, you don't have a sig there, buddy.

EDIT: Wait, I guess you did in your first post. 😛

So your academics are fantastic, but everything else seems to be somewhat underrepresented. Are you doing MD/PhD? Based on your ECs and academic accolades that's what would seem to fit your profile.
 
Johannen said:
Hey all!

I'm wondering where all to apply!!

Because of my ties to my state, my favorites are my state schools. (WI) Should I include reach schools anyway?

How should I manipulate early decision? Can I do this in my favor?

What if I'm not accepted to the state schools?

I'm getting jittery. I plan to submit AMCAS by next week.

Any comments are appreciated!

😴
contact your state school admissions contact person... ask them about your chances... I think Early decision is made for people like you, everything about your application is stellar
 
black_wind said:
I've attached my profile in the link below. Basically I'm in a dual degree program but wish to apply to other schools that offer better finanical aids/cheaper tuition. Any advices on the schools selected would be highly appreciated :luck:

Basic Stats:
GPA (science/non-science): 4.0
MCAT: 37Q (PS: 13, VR: 9, BS: 15)
- I don't know what happened to my verbal that day. English is not my first language but I usually score higher than 9 on practice tests.

Schools considering:
Baylor
Mayo
Harvard
Wash U (?)
Stanford (?)
Duke (?)

I read that Duke and Stanford offer good financial aid, is this true? How good is Wash U at giving out money?

Thanks!!!

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?myid=5932

Stanford I have heard has a great financial aid program. I would think that Mayo has at least top three financial aid programs in the US. If your out of state, at WORSE your paying 12,000 a year (not including grant money they give you). If your in state (from Fl, Arizona, Minnesota) at worse your gonna pay 6000 a year. Half of the kids that go there get full rides.

PS-those worst case scenario tuition figures get even lower with grants Mayo offers that you don't have to pay back. For example, my tuition is 12,000 (everyone gets at least a half ride-->normal tuition is 25000) but I am also getting a 4,000 grant. Tuition is locked all four years so I will be paying 8,000 a year.

Hope this helps. I'm not sure if you knew about Mayo's or not.
 
I guess I'll give this a shot here... 👍
Ga resident, Emory undergrad, bio major, 3.0 sci GPA, 3.3 cum GPA, 37 MCAT, bout average research and clinical/shadowing experience. Here's my list of schools, I'm hoping to get into MCG. Please critique, thanks in advance.
I figured with my low gpa and higher MCAT, I should apply to more schools:

Case Western
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
U of Virginia
Emory
NY Mt. Sinai
NY Univ
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Loyola
MCG
Eastern Virginia
Vir Commonwealth
Penn St.
George Washington
Drexel
Jefferson Medical Coll
NY Medical Coll
Univ of Vermont
Albany Med Coll
Temple
UAB
 
yudalicious said:
I guess I'll give this a shot here... 👍
Ga resident, Emory undergrad, bio major, 3.0 sci GPA, 3.3 cum GPA, 37 MCAT, bout average research and clinical/shadowing experience. Here's my list of schools, I'm hoping to get into MCG. Please critique, thanks in advance.
I figured with my low gpa and higher MCAT, I should apply to more schools:

Case Western
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
U of Virginia
Emory
NY Mt. Sinai
NY Univ
Wake Forest
Georgetown
Loyola
MCG
Eastern Virginia
Vir Commonwealth
Penn St.
George Washington
Drexel
Jefferson Medical Coll
NY Medical Coll
Univ of Vermont
Albany Med Coll
Temple
UAB

these are the types of candidates this thread should be for... i'm in the same boat buddy... your school list looks really similar to mine... add St. Louis and Tulane I think
 
Hi All...this is my second post on SDN, so I'm a newbie 🙂

Here's my brief bio:

-3.7 BCPM and 3.7 Overall GPA from University of Chicago and post-bacc classes at Northwestern
-Economics degree from U of C
-28Q overall MCAT (PS-10, VR-9, BS-9)
-Illinois resident
-Graduated college in three years, then took two years to finish pre-med classes at Northwestern while working full-time in management consulting. In college I was in a sorority, volunteered at a hospital, and shadowed a doctor (who has written a LOR for me). Since college, I have continued to volunteer at my local hospital over the weekends.

So...I'm basically having trouble deciding which schools to apply to. If anyone can give me a realistic idea of some schools I should consider, I would appreciate it. I'm looking to submit my AMCAS app this weekend (hopefully).

Also...as a side question...is it okay to leave the "Contact Name" section of some activities blank in the 15 Activities/Experiences section on AMCAS? Basically, I don't think the volunteer coordinator at the hospital I volunteered at in college remembers me...
 
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