The Official AACOMAS Verification Thread (2015-2016)

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Me too :/ Only by a day though. I talked to them yesterday and she said 4-6 weeks.....but closer to four.

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Me too :/ Only by a day though. I talked to them yesterday and she said 4-6 weeks.....but closer to four.
good deal--I just wanted to make sure it wasn't my application that was messed up. I would hate to wait idly while there is something I need to be doing!
 
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good deal--I just wanted to make sure it wasn't my application that was messed up. I would hate to wait idly while there is something I need to be doing!

I think you and I have very similar stats. And it's annoying because my AMCAS has been verified for a few weeks now and I'm waiting for the verification that I'm more excited about. I was completed on August 11th (Submitted late afternoon on the 7th, a Friday). Hopefully we can start submitting secondaries within the week. We're still making good time!!
 
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Anyone tried to contact AACOMAS in the past? I have dialed the number 5 times now and let it ring for a good 2 minutes and no one has answered. This normal?

I had the same problem. The best part is that they are missing one of my transcripts, and I called to confirm if all of them were received when I first sent my application. fml
 
Yes. Why is AACOMAS taking forever for verification compared to AMCAS or TMDSAS??
 
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I'm not sure. Hopefully they don't have an unusual amount of applicsnts


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I was officially complete on 8/8, as well. Two day over a month now. Should be this week or next.
 
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Submitted everything yesterday- awaiting for AACOMAS to fill in my grades ( i chose to pay the 100$ to have it done correctly seeing as I have over 170 credit hours I figured I would make a mistake somewhere). How long are predicting the verification is taking guys and girls? 4-5 Weeks is what im seeing on here....
 
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It also doesn't help that AACOMAS will not answer a phone call... I've called over 50 times in 24 hours LOL.
 
Since taking 5-6 weeks seems to be the current trend, does this put me behind, seeing as I applied yesterday? I applied broadly at least! 23 schools
 
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Since taking 5-6 weeks seems to be the current trend, does this put me behind, seeing as I applied yesterday? I applied broadly at least! 23 schools
Are your stats competitive? We are both from Oklahoma-- OSU is a very good school with a strict bias for in-state students.
 
Are your stats competitive? We are both from Oklahoma-- OSU is a very good school with a strict bias for in-state students.
Yeah I definitely applied to OSU COM GPA is solid- MCAT was weak, but I have over 3 years in healthcare experience as an RN I'm hoping helps. WBU?
 
Yeah I definitely applied to OSU COM GPA is solid- MCAT was weak, but I have over 3 years in healthcare experience as an RN I'm hoping helps. WBU?
Eh, 3.49 cGPA 3.28 sGPA. My GPA started at TCC and ended with a 3.1 cGPA. I moved to the University of Arkansas and maintained a 3.8 cGPA starting at around 53 credits and I will be ending this semester at around 128 credits--so I have somewhat of a very good trend going on if that counts for something. I also have 6 years experience in the healthcare setting as PCT; working in the E.R., Rehab floors, med. surg. , and speciliaty hospitals such as orthopedic and bariatric facilities. I am currently in an assisted living complex rolling on the easy train while I get through with my last semester of school. I am going to PM you.
 
Finally reached AACOMAS to fix my transcript issue. Should be fixed by early next week. I'm wondering if AACOMAS has significantly hurt my chances. Stats are 3.2 cGPA 3.1 sGPA (including 3.8 post bac). 500 mcat. URM African American. GPA is if they don't mess up my grade replacement. Thoughts?
 
Finally reached AACOMAS to fix my transcript issue. Should be fixed by early next week. I'm wondering if AACOMAS has significantly hurt my chances. Stats are 3.2 cGPA 3.1 sGPA (including 3.8 post bac). 500 mcat. URM African American. GPA is if they don't mess up my grade replacement. Thoughts?
Your stats are low, but if you are an URM then that will give you "some" headway. What is your breakdown on the MCAT, specifically?
 
126PS/123VR/125BS/126PSY/SOC. Planning on applying to 20 schools.
 
126PS/123VR/125BS/126PSY/SOC. Planning on applying to 20 schools.
WOW. We almost have identical scores 125 PS/ 123 CARS / 126 BS / 128 Psy. Soc.

I am applying to some 17-20 schools. I have been going thorugh and weeding out a lot of schools I wouldn't have the money to attend or I just wouldn't want to attend in general. You have to remember to factor in the cost of travel and the cost of secondaries. Some range from $20-$300. Eek.
 
1) Click "quote" on the most recent post.
2) Add your name and Complete (ALL transcripts received & application submitted) date in chronological order in the list. This is when your status changes to 'all transcripts received' AFTER you hit 'Submit.' Those who submitted without all transcripts being received can add their name to the "All Transcripts Received (Pending)" list at the bottom of the page in order of the date they submitted.
3) Delete the quote tags at both the top and the bottom.
4) When your AACOMAS is verified, come back and add the date you were verified to your previous entry.


Note: You must re-quote to update your status. DO NOT simply edit your original post.


Application Complete May 8, 2015
uvrsol Submitted: 5/8- All Transcripts Received (5/6). Verified: 5/11

Application Complete May 12, 2015
SPQRMD Submitted: 5/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/14

Application Complete May 13, 2015
cjfarrell21 submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts received: 5/10. Verified: 5/20
Tony T Chopper Submitted: 5/6 - All Transcripts Received 5/13. Verified (pending).
Xcede Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/20.

Application Complete May 14, 2015
DocE305 Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 5/18
MajorUnderDog Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/13. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete May 15, 2015
peepdis Submitted: 5/5 All Transcripts Received: 5/15 Verified: 5/20
doctor_wannabe Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 16, 2015
Catfish-Cupcake Submitted: 5/16. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 17, 2015
becomingdoctor Submitted: 5/17. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 18, 2015
Member 2800800 Submitted: 5/18. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 20, 2015
Nontradunderdog Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received 5/20. Verified: 5/26
FloresMD Submitted: 5/20. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 21, 2015
Overlyromantic Submitted 5/12. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
Crookster Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
DrLatte Submitted 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete May 22, 2015
mavikedi Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/29
Mrtaco92 Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/28

Application Complete May 24, 2015
studentdocftw Submitted: 5/24. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/29

Application Complete May 26, 2015
Cawolf Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/26 Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 27, 2015
Stephanopolous Submitted: 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/03
DrPatriot Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 6/04

Application Complete May 28, 2015
premedjunkie1993 Submitted 5/21/15. All transcripts received 5/28/15. Verified: (Pending)
Mavs88 Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: (pending)
petyr_baelish Submitted 5/28. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 29, 2015
Swolebrah Submitted: 5/19. All Transcripts Received:5/29 . Verified: 6/08
oceanman Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08
gandy741 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: (pending)
eyesfeeltired Submitted 5/29. Transcript received 5/12. Verified: 6/8
bshap000 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete May 30, 2015
AKNP Submitted 5/30. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete June 1, 2015
bumblebee611 Submitted 5/26. All Transcripts Received: 6/1. Verified: 6/10
tr00p3rls Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 6/10
BGMayagi Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/03
beeboops Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/22. Verified: 6/11
pageantry Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received 5/22. Verified: 6/10
premedM Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/10

Application Complete June 2, 2015
mathnerd88 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 6/12
comealongpond12 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/12
wsu11 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 6/01. Verified: Verified: 6/12

Application Complete June 3, 2015
zinc mask Submitted 5/10. All Transcript Received: 6/3. Verified: 6/15
blkgrnblkylw Submitted 6/03. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 4, 2015
Mrs.dr.B Submitted 5/26. Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/15

Application Complete June 5, 2015
spenguin, Submitted 6/3, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
manjuem, Submitted 5/31, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
alottedportion Submitted 6/5. All transcripts Received: 5/23. Verified (pending)
psiloveu2013 Submitted 6/05. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: 6/17
cuwhenucme Submitted 6/5, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/17

Application Complete June 6, 2015
mtl287 Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete June 7, 2015
enter_and_escape submitted 06/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 8, 2015
cdnkid7 Submitted: 6/8. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/23

Application Complete June 9, 2015
zylstrajs Submitted 6/09. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/24
MedBlue515 Submitted 6/9, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/23
ahawke100 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/26
hu2992 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/24

Application Complete June 10, 2015
Mk2015 submitted 6/10/2015. Verified 6/23/2015
BLACKMD Submitted 5/25. All Transcripts Received 6/10. Verified (pending)
Elleiram Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 6/24
Navster Submitted 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: (pending)
ClassicJandT Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 6/9. Verified: 6/25

Application Complete June 13th, 2015
ipseama Submitted: 05/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/13. Verified: 7/8

Application Complete June 15, 2015
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Submitted 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/9
gknight Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: (pending)
taco152 Submitted: 6/6 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: (pending)
KevinGnapoor Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 7/14

Application Complete June 16, 2015
TheCruelOne Submitted 6/16, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 7/14
washingmachine Submitted: 6/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete June 17, 2015
hotasianchick90 Submitted: 6/1. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 19, 2015
megmaden Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/15
absie107 Submitted: 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 21, 2015
RutgersKatie Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received 5/14. Verified: (pending)
Giovanotto Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 22, 2015
femmgoblue Submitted: 6/3. All Transcripts Recieved: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
Serenitynow11 Submitted 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
because-science Submitted 6/3. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 6/30
totosama Submitted 6/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/16
TrueWolverine Submitted: 6/22 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 23, 2015
Gordon Gekko Submitted: 5/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/23. Verified: 6/26
AwayFromReality Submitted 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/17

Application Complete June 24, 2015
tuvix submitted 6/24. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: Verified: 7/20

Application Complete June 27, 2015
simmac Submitted: 6/27. All Transcripts received: 5/26. Verified: 7/22

Application Complete June 30, 2015
RTchill Submitted 6/25. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/24
Schlitter22 Submitted 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
ampaudi Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
rossg01 Submitted 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/23

Application Complete July 1, 2015
walknnonsunshine Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/24
Option7 Submitted: 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/31
ngabr Submitted: 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/27

Application Complete July 2, 2015
uschopeful Submitted: 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 7/2. Verified: 7/29
Z K Submitted 7/2. All Transcripts Received: 6/11. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 7, 2015
adamo Submitted: 6/28. All transcripts Received: 7/7. Verified 7/31
sweetdreamzzz Submitted 07/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 7/30
Amino123 Submitted 7/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/30

Application Complete July 8, 2015
pharoahessmd Submitted: 7/8. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified 7/31
Buck Winters Submitted: 6/30. All Transcripts received:7/8. Verified 8/4

Application Complete July 9, 2015

vivalarevolution Submitted: 7/9. All Transcripts Received: 7/8. Verified 8/5 :)

Application Complete July 10, 2015
stancokm Submitted: 6/25. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified (pending)
anamath Submitted: 7/1. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified 8/5
easonred57 Submitted: 6/30 All Transcripts Received: 7/10 Verified 8/6

Application Complete July 12, 2015
exodian1 Submitted: 7/12. All Transcripts Received: 6/10. Verified 8/7

Application Complete July 16, 2015
arodr030 Submitted 6/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: (pending)
echo87 Submitted: 7/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/24. Verified: 8/12

Application Complete July 20, 2015
vilraj Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/17
futureDOc2020 Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: 8/18

Application Complete July 21, 2015

Caramos: Submitted: 7/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/20. Verified 8/18

Application Complete July 22, 2015
Roscoe11 Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified 8/19
redman93 Submitted 7/22. All Transcripts Received: 7/2 . Verified 8/19

Application Complete July 25, 2015
Shammyguy3 Submitted 7/25/2015. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified 8/24/2015

Application Complete July 27, 2015
BPCM: Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified: (pending)
Pdabear Submitted 7/27. All Transcripts Received: 6/26. Verified: 8/27

Application Complete July 28, 2015
DOHopeful2 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/31
Member000000000 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 06/08. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 29, 2015
Ahii Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/2/15 (after being "undelivered" the previous day)

Application Complete July 30, 2015
NaomiM Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/1/15 1:48PM

Application Complete August 3, 2015
zero0 Submitted 8/3. All Transcripts Received 7/31. Verified: 9/5/2015

Application Complete August 07, 2015
Prairiepalmeri Submitted: 8/08. All Transcripts Received: 9/08 (one transcript got lost!). Verified (pending)

Application Complete August 08, 2015
OrdinaryMD Submitted: 8/08. All Transcripts Received: 7/01. Verified 9/10/2015

Application Complete August 12, 2015
WolverineNation Submitted 8/12. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 13, 2015
mr roboto Submitted: 8/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/15. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 14, 2015
relmanka Submitted: 8/14. All Transcripts Received: 6/12. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 27, 2015
zt_530 Submitted: 8/17. All Transcripts Received: 8/27. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 31, 2015
nRomaleos Submitted: 8/31. All Transcript Received: 5/14. Verified: (pending)

Application Incomplete (Pending)
detectivealonzo Submitted: 5/7 - All Transcripts Received (pending). Verified (pending)
12345678191011 Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: (pending). Verified: (pending)
 
Ahah yea! CARS :mad::mad:


I'm out of college now and working so all of my money right now is going to applications (I also live at home with my parents).
 
How do you see your complete date? I paid for my first program a day before you. I wonder if I'll be verified today?

You have to go and click "Manage my programs." Is that what you were asking about?
 
It says I paid on August 7th, but I'm still not verified :(
If you are still waiting for your application to be verified for the FIRST time, then it can take some time. It also depends on when your transcripts and all of that were sent in. Does it say "Verifying"?
 
If you are still waiting for your application to be verified for the FIRST time, then it can take some time. It also depends on when your transcripts and all of that were sent in. Does it say "Verifying"?

Ahh. So it goes faster if you are a reapplicant? And yes it's the ugly yellow box!
 
No, I am a first time applicant, but I sent in all of my information well ahead of time. I didn't submit until 2-3 months after my transcripts were received by the AACOMAS.
 
Gotcha. All my LOR and transcripts were processed when I submitted. Three of the four arrived a few months ago but one was processed the day I submitted. I don't get what's taking so long to verify my app.
 
If I am not verified yet and probably won't be for about 2 weeks (receiving secondaries late Sept.-early Oct.) am I late? Are my chances hurt?
 
If I am not verified yet and probably won't be for about 2 weeks (receiving secondaries late Sept.-early Oct.) am I late? Are my chances hurt?

If your stats are around a 3.4 and 26/502 MCAT, it won't affect you much. If it will be verified in late September, expect the majority of secondaries to come early October (first two weeks).
 
1) Click "quote" on the most recent post.
2) Add your name and Complete (ALL transcripts received & application submitted) date in chronological order in the list. This is when your status changes to 'all transcripts received' AFTER you hit 'Submit.' Those who submitted without all transcripts being received can add their name to the "All Transcripts Received (Pending)" list at the bottom of the page in order of the date they submitted.
3) Delete the quote tags at both the top and the bottom.
4) When your AACOMAS is verified, come back and add the date you were verified to your previous entry.


Note: You must re-quote to update your status. DO NOT simply edit your original post.


Application Complete May 8, 2015
uvrsol Submitted: 5/8- All Transcripts Received (5/6). Verified: 5/11

Application Complete May 12, 2015
SPQRMD Submitted: 5/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/14

Application Complete May 13, 2015
cjfarrell21 submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts received: 5/10. Verified: 5/20
Tony T Chopper Submitted: 5/6 - All Transcripts Received 5/13. Verified (pending).
Xcede Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/20.

Application Complete May 14, 2015
DocE305 Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 5/18
MajorUnderDog Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/13. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete May 15, 2015
peepdis Submitted: 5/5 All Transcripts Received: 5/15 Verified: 5/20
doctor_wannabe Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 16, 2015
Catfish-Cupcake Submitted: 5/16. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 17, 2015
becomingdoctor Submitted: 5/17. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 18, 2015
Member 2800800 Submitted: 5/18. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 20, 2015
Nontradunderdog Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received 5/20. Verified: 5/26
FloresMD Submitted: 5/20. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 21, 2015
Overlyromantic Submitted 5/12. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
Crookster Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
DrLatte Submitted 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete May 22, 2015
mavikedi Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/29
Mrtaco92 Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/28

Application Complete May 24, 2015
studentdocftw Submitted: 5/24. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/29

Application Complete May 26, 2015
Cawolf Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/26 Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 27, 2015
Stephanopolous Submitted: 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/03
DrPatriot Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 6/04

Application Complete May 28, 2015
premedjunkie1993 Submitted 5/21/15. All transcripts received 5/28/15. Verified: (Pending)
Mavs88 Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: (pending)
petyr_baelish Submitted 5/28. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 29, 2015
Swolebrah Submitted: 5/19. All Transcripts Received:5/29 . Verified: 6/08
oceanman Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08
gandy741 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: (pending)
eyesfeeltired Submitted 5/29. Transcript received 5/12. Verified: 6/8
bshap000 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete May 30, 2015
AKNP Submitted 5/30. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete June 1, 2015
bumblebee611 Submitted 5/26. All Transcripts Received: 6/1. Verified: 6/10
tr00p3rls Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 6/10
BGMayagi Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/03
beeboops Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/22. Verified: 6/11
pageantry Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received 5/22. Verified: 6/10
premedM Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/10

Application Complete June 2, 2015
mathnerd88 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 6/12
comealongpond12 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/12
wsu11 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 6/01. Verified: Verified: 6/12

Application Complete June 3, 2015
zinc mask Submitted 5/10. All Transcript Received: 6/3. Verified: 6/15
blkgrnblkylw Submitted 6/03. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 4, 2015
Mrs.dr.B Submitted 5/26. Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/15

Application Complete June 5, 2015
spenguin, Submitted 6/3, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
manjuem, Submitted 5/31, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
alottedportion Submitted 6/5. All transcripts Received: 5/23. Verified (pending)
psiloveu2013 Submitted 6/05. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: 6/17
cuwhenucme Submitted 6/5, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/17

Application Complete June 6, 2015
mtl287 Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete June 7, 2015
enter_and_escape submitted 06/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 8, 2015
cdnkid7 Submitted: 6/8. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/23

Application Complete June 9, 2015
zylstrajs Submitted 6/09. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/24
MedBlue515 Submitted 6/9, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/23
ahawke100 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/26
hu2992 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/24

Application Complete June 10, 2015
Mk2015 submitted 6/10/2015. Verified 6/23/2015
BLACKMD Submitted 5/25. All Transcripts Received 6/10. Verified (pending)
Elleiram Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 6/24
Navster Submitted 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: (pending)
ClassicJandT Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 6/9. Verified: 6/25

Application Complete June 13th, 2015
ipseama Submitted: 05/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/13. Verified: 7/8

Application Complete June 15, 2015
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Submitted 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/9
gknight Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: (pending)
taco152 Submitted: 6/6 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: (pending)
KevinGnapoor Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 7/14

Application Complete June 16, 2015
TheCruelOne Submitted 6/16, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 7/14
washingmachine Submitted: 6/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete June 17, 2015
hotasianchick90 Submitted: 6/1. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 19, 2015
megmaden Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/15
absie107 Submitted: 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 21, 2015
RutgersKatie Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received 5/14. Verified: (pending)
Giovanotto Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 22, 2015
femmgoblue Submitted: 6/3. All Transcripts Recieved: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
Serenitynow11 Submitted 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
because-science Submitted 6/3. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 6/30
totosama Submitted 6/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/16
TrueWolverine Submitted: 6/22 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 23, 2015
Gordon Gekko Submitted: 5/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/23. Verified: 6/26
AwayFromReality Submitted 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/17

Application Complete June 24, 2015
tuvix submitted 6/24. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: Verified: 7/20

Application Complete June 27, 2015
simmac Submitted: 6/27. All Transcripts received: 5/26. Verified: 7/22

Application Complete June 30, 2015
RTchill Submitted 6/25. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/24
Schlitter22 Submitted 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
ampaudi Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
rossg01 Submitted 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/23

Application Complete July 1, 2015
walknnonsunshine Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/24
Option7 Submitted: 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/31
ngabr Submitted: 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/27

Application Complete July 2, 2015
uschopeful Submitted: 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 7/2. Verified: 7/29
Z K Submitted 7/2. All Transcripts Received: 6/11. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 7, 2015
adamo Submitted: 6/28. All transcripts Received: 7/7. Verified 7/31
sweetdreamzzz Submitted 07/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 7/30
Amino123 Submitted 7/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/30

Application Complete July 8, 2015
pharoahessmd Submitted: 7/8. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified 7/31
Buck Winters Submitted: 6/30. All Transcripts received:7/8. Verified 8/4

Application Complete July 9, 2015

vivalarevolution Submitted: 7/9. All Transcripts Received: 7/8. Verified 8/5 :)

Application Complete July 10, 2015
stancokm Submitted: 6/25. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified (pending)
anamath Submitted: 7/1. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified 8/5
easonred57 Submitted: 6/30 All Transcripts Received: 7/10 Verified 8/6

Application Complete July 12, 2015
exodian1 Submitted: 7/12. All Transcripts Received: 6/10. Verified 8/7

Application Complete July 16, 2015
arodr030 Submitted 6/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: (pending)
echo87 Submitted: 7/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/24. Verified: 8/12

Application Complete July 20, 2015
vilraj Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/17
futureDOc2020 Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: 8/18

Application Complete July 21, 2015

Caramos: Submitted: 7/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/20. Verified 8/18

Application Complete July 22, 2015
Roscoe11 Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified 8/19
redman93 Submitted 7/22. All Transcripts Received: 7/2 . Verified 8/19

Application Complete July 25, 2015
Shammyguy3 Submitted 7/25/2015. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified 8/24/2015

Application Complete July 27, 2015
BPCM: Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified: (pending)
Pdabear Submitted 7/27. All Transcripts Received: 6/26. Verified: 8/27

Application Complete July 28, 2015
DOHopeful2 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/31
Member000000000 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 06/08. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 29, 2015
Ahii Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/2/15 (after being "undelivered" the previous day)

Application Complete July 30, 2015
NaomiM Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/1/15 1:48PM

Application Complete August 3, 2015
zero0 Submitted 8/3. All Transcripts Received 7/31. Verified: 9/5/2015

Application Complete August 07, 2015
Prairiepalmeri Submitted: 8/08. All Transcripts Received: 9/08 (one transcript got lost!). Verified (pending)

Application Complete August 08, 2015
OrdinaryMD Submitted: 8/08. All Transcripts Received: 7/01. Verified 9/10/2015

Application Complete August 12, 2015
WolverineNation Submitted 8/12. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified: (pending)
Gemi512 Submitted 8/12. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified: 9/15/2015

Application Complete August 13, 2015
mr roboto Submitted: 8/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/15. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 14, 2015
relmanka Submitted: 8/14. All Transcripts Received: 6/12. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 27, 2015
zt_530 Submitted: 8/17. All Transcripts Received: 8/27. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 31, 2015
nRomaleos Submitted: 8/31. All Transcript Received: 5/14. Verified: (pending)

Application Incomplete (Pending)
detectivealonzo Submitted: 5/7 - All Transcripts Received (pending). Verified (pending)
12345678191011 Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: (pending). Verified: (pending)
 
How are people who submitted days after me being verified before me?
Hey there,

I noticed that your transcript was completed 9/08....maybe you'll be verified about 4-6 weeks from that date (by mid October).
 
I was complete on the 12th as well and I'm still not verified yet...

I'm on hold with these people. It takes 30 minutes on the phone to talk to someone. I wouldn't care about the wait if they actually provided useful information. But there have been a few people who have been verified who submitted after me.
 
I'm on hold with these people. It takes 30 minutes on the phone to talk to someone. I wouldn't care about the wait if they actually provided useful information. But there have been a few people who have been verified who submitted after me.

Let me know what they say! I'm gonna try calling them as well and see what's going on...
 
1) Click "quote" on the most recent post.
2) Add your name and Complete (ALL transcripts received & application submitted) date in chronological order in the list. This is when your status changes to 'all transcripts received' AFTER you hit 'Submit.' Those who submitted without all transcripts being received can add their name to the "All Transcripts Received (Pending)" list at the bottom of the page in order of the date they submitted.
3) Delete the quote tags at both the top and the bottom.
4) When your AACOMAS is verified, come back and add the date you were verified to your previous entry.


Note: You must re-quote to update your status. DO NOT simply edit your original post.


Application Complete May 8, 2015
uvrsol Submitted: 5/8- All Transcripts Received (5/6). Verified: 5/11

Application Complete May 12, 2015
SPQRMD Submitted: 5/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/14

Application Complete May 13, 2015
cjfarrell21 submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts received: 5/10. Verified: 5/20
Tony T Chopper Submitted: 5/6 - All Transcripts Received 5/13. Verified (pending).
Xcede Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/20.

Application Complete May 14, 2015
DocE305 Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 5/18
MajorUnderDog Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/13. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete May 15, 2015
peepdis Submitted: 5/5 All Transcripts Received: 5/15 Verified: 5/20
doctor_wannabe Submitted: 5/14. All Transcripts Received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 16, 2015
Catfish-Cupcake Submitted: 5/16. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 17, 2015
becomingdoctor Submitted: 5/17. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 18, 2015
Member 2800800 Submitted: 5/18. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 5/21

Application Complete May 20, 2015
Nontradunderdog Submitted: 5/5. All Transcripts Received 5/20. Verified: 5/26
FloresMD Submitted: 5/20. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 5/22

Application Complete May 21, 2015
Overlyromantic Submitted 5/12. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
Crookster Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/27
DrLatte Submitted 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete May 22, 2015
mavikedi Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/29
Mrtaco92 Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 5/28

Application Complete May 24, 2015
studentdocftw Submitted: 5/24. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 5/29

Application Complete May 26, 2015
Cawolf Submitted: 5/13. All Transcripts Received: 5/26 Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 27, 2015
Stephanopolous Submitted: 5/11. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/03
DrPatriot Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/12. Verified: 6/04

Application Complete May 28, 2015
premedjunkie1993 Submitted 5/21/15. All transcripts received 5/28/15. Verified: (Pending)
Mavs88 Submitted 5/27. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: (pending)
petyr_baelish Submitted 5/28. All Transcripts Received: 5/28. Verified: 6/01

Application Complete May 29, 2015
Swolebrah Submitted: 5/19. All Transcripts Received:5/29 . Verified: 6/08
oceanman Submitted: 5/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08
gandy741 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: (pending)
eyesfeeltired Submitted 5/29. Transcript received 5/12. Verified: 6/8
bshap000 Submitted 5/29. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete May 30, 2015
AKNP Submitted 5/30. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 6/08

Application Complete June 1, 2015
bumblebee611 Submitted 5/26. All Transcripts Received: 6/1. Verified: 6/10
tr00p3rls Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 6/10
BGMayagi Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/03
beeboops Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/22. Verified: 6/11
pageantry Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received 5/22. Verified: 6/10
premedM Submitted 6/01. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/10

Application Complete June 2, 2015
mathnerd88 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/14. Verified: 6/12
comealongpond12 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/12
wsu11 Submitted 6/02. All Transcripts Received: 6/01. Verified: Verified: 6/12

Application Complete June 3, 2015
zinc mask Submitted 5/10. All Transcript Received: 6/3. Verified: 6/15
blkgrnblkylw Submitted 6/03. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 4, 2015
Mrs.dr.B Submitted 5/26. Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/15

Application Complete June 5, 2015
spenguin, Submitted 6/3, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
manjuem, Submitted 5/31, Transcript received 6/5. Verified: 6/17
alottedportion Submitted 6/5. All transcripts Received: 5/23. Verified (pending)
psiloveu2013 Submitted 6/05. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: 6/17
cuwhenucme Submitted 6/5, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/17

Application Complete June 6, 2015
mtl287 Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 5/27. Verified: 6/19

Application Complete June 7, 2015
enter_and_escape submitted 06/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 6/16

Application Complete June 8, 2015
cdnkid7 Submitted: 6/8. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/23

Application Complete June 9, 2015
zylstrajs Submitted 6/09. All Transcripts Received: 6/02. Verified: 6/24
MedBlue515 Submitted 6/9, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 6/23
ahawke100 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/26
hu2992 Submitted: 6/9. All Transcripts Received: 6/8. Verified: 6/24

Application Complete June 10, 2015
Mk2015 submitted 6/10/2015. Verified 6/23/2015
BLACKMD Submitted 5/25. All Transcripts Received 6/10. Verified (pending)
Elleiram Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified: 6/24
Navster Submitted 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: (pending)
ClassicJandT Submitted: 6/10. All Transcripts Received: 6/9. Verified: 6/25

Application Complete June 13th, 2015
ipseama Submitted: 05/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/13. Verified: 7/8

Application Complete June 15, 2015
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Submitted 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/9
gknight Submitted 6/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: (pending)
taco152 Submitted: 6/6 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: (pending)
KevinGnapoor Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 5/19. Verified: 7/14

Application Complete June 16, 2015
TheCruelOne Submitted 6/16, Transcript received 6/4. Verified: 7/14
washingmachine Submitted: 6/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/15. Verified: 7/09

Application Complete June 17, 2015
hotasianchick90 Submitted: 6/1. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 19, 2015
megmaden Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/15
absie107 Submitted: 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/17. Verified: 7/15

Application Complete June 21, 2015
RutgersKatie Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received 5/14. Verified: (pending)
Giovanotto Submitted 6/21. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 22, 2015
femmgoblue Submitted: 6/3. All Transcripts Recieved: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
Serenitynow11 Submitted 5/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 7/16
because-science Submitted 6/3. All Transcripts Received: 6/22. Verified: 6/30
totosama Submitted 6/22. All Transcripts Received: 5/21. Verified: 7/16
TrueWolverine Submitted: 6/22 All Transcripts Received: 6/15 Verified: 7/16

Application Complete June 23, 2015
Gordon Gekko Submitted: 5/6. All Transcripts Received: 6/23. Verified: 6/26
AwayFromReality Submitted 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/17

Application Complete June 24, 2015
tuvix submitted 6/24. All Transcripts Received 5/27. Verified: Verified: 7/20

Application Complete June 27, 2015
simmac Submitted: 6/27. All Transcripts received: 5/26. Verified: 7/22

Application Complete June 30, 2015
RTchill Submitted 6/25. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/24
Schlitter22 Submitted 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
ampaudi Submitted 6/19. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/22
rossg01 Submitted 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 6/30. Verified: 7/23

Application Complete July 1, 2015
walknnonsunshine Submitted: 6/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/24
Option7 Submitted: 6/18. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/31
ngabr Submitted: 6/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 7/27

Application Complete July 2, 2015
uschopeful Submitted: 6/23. All Transcripts Received: 7/2. Verified: 7/29
Z K Submitted 7/2. All Transcripts Received: 6/11. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 7, 2015
adamo Submitted: 6/28. All transcripts Received: 7/7. Verified 7/31
sweetdreamzzz Submitted 07/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/20. Verified: 7/30
Amino123 Submitted 7/07. All Transcripts Received: 5/29. Verified: 7/30

Application Complete July 8, 2015
pharoahessmd Submitted: 7/8. All Transcripts received: 5/15. Verified 7/31
Buck Winters Submitted: 6/30. All Transcripts received:7/8. Verified 8/4

Application Complete July 9, 2015

vivalarevolution Submitted: 7/9. All Transcripts Received: 7/8. Verified 8/5 :)

Application Complete July 10, 2015
stancokm Submitted: 6/25. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified (pending)
anamath Submitted: 7/1. All Transcripts Received : 7/10. Verified 8/5
easonred57 Submitted: 6/30 All Transcripts Received: 7/10 Verified 8/6

Application Complete July 12, 2015
exodian1 Submitted: 7/12. All Transcripts Received: 6/10. Verified 8/7

Application Complete July 16, 2015
arodr030 Submitted 6/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: (pending)
echo87 Submitted: 7/16. All Transcripts Received: 6/24. Verified: 8/12

Application Complete July 20, 2015
vilraj Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/17
futureDOc2020 Submitted: 7/20. All Transcripts Received: 7/16. Verified: 8/18

Application Complete July 21, 2015

Caramos: Submitted: 7/21. All Transcripts Received: 6/20. Verified 8/18

Application Complete July 22, 2015
Roscoe11 Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified 8/19
redman93 Submitted 7/22. All Transcripts Received: 7/2 . Verified 8/19

Application Complete July 25, 2015
Shammyguy3 Submitted 7/25/2015. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified 8/24/2015

Application Complete July 27, 2015
BPCM: Submitted 7/15. All Transcripts Received: 7/22. Verified: (pending)
Pdabear Submitted 7/27. All Transcripts Received: 6/26. Verified: 8/27

Application Complete July 28, 2015
DOHopeful2 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 7/1. Verified: 8/31
Member000000000 Submitted: 7/28. All Transcripts Received: 06/08. Verified (pending)

Application Complete July 29, 2015
Ahii Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/2/15 (after being "undelivered" the previous day)

Application Complete July 30, 2015
NaomiM Submitted: 7/30. All Transcripts Received: 7/26. Verified: 9/1/15 1:48PM

Application Complete August 3, 2015
zero0 Submitted 8/3. All Transcripts Received 7/31. Verified: 9/5/2015

Application Complete August 07, 2015
Prairiepalmeri Submitted: 8/07. All Transcripts Received: 8/07 (one transcript got lost!). Verified 9/15/2015

Application Complete August 08, 2015
OrdinaryMD Submitted: 8/08. All Transcripts Received: 7/01. Verified 9/10/2015

Application Complete August 12, 2015
WolverineNation Submitted 8/12. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified: (pending)
Gemi512 Submitted 8/12. All Transcripts Received prior to submitting. Verified: 9/15/2015

Application Complete August 13, 2015
mr roboto Submitted: 8/13. All Transcripts Received: 7/15. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 14, 2015
relmanka Submitted: 8/14. All Transcripts Received: 6/12. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 27, 2015
zt_530 Submitted: 8/17. All Transcripts Received: 8/27. Verified: (pending)

Application Complete August 31, 2015
nRomaleos Submitted: 8/31. All Transcript Received: 5/14. Verified: (pending)

Application Incomplete (Pending)
detectivealonzo Submitted: 5/7 - All Transcripts Received (pending). Verified (pending)
12345678191011 Submitted: 5/21. All Transcripts Received: (pending). Verified: (pending)
 
I paid and submitted Aug 12 and just got verified. I now have my GPA and everything is received. Do I have to do anything else or do I just wait to hear from schools about secondaries?
 
I paid and submitted Aug 12 and just got verified. I now have my GPA and everything is received. Do I have to do anything else or do I just wait to hear from schools about secondaries?
Yeah you just wait for secondaries now! Because you verified by AACOMAS means that they are going to send you verified application to schools. GOOD LUCK!
 
Quick question: If we add more extracurriculars/achievements after submission but before verification, the schools will only see the updated app with the new stuff right? Or will they see the new stuff with a date next to it of when it was added. Basically, can school tells when we add achievements/extracurriculars to our application if we write them up before verification?
 
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