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I see alot of people make this thread for their MCAT date. I was unable to find one for this date so I took the liberty to make one. Please share what you have found works or does not work for you?
 
I spent my last 20 minutes on that passage.... Didn't end up checking my answers for the other ones 🙁
I still don't understand what the chart means though... after the explanation I'm still lost... lol
I hope they don't have any of those passages PERIOD.

What do you mean by the chart? Are you referring to the Ebola graph?

---AAMC 11 SPOILER ALERT FOLKS!----

If that's the case basically they are showing three different cultures. You have wild-type WT, then you have negative CatB and positive CatL (meaning this culture already has CatL), and then you have negative for both. Then they are introducing just bacterial, CatB, and CatL to those cultures. In the first culture with positive CatL, if you are given additional CatL it doesn't really make a difference in the total number of infected cells. However, if you are given CatB to a culture that already has CatL, then it increases it by a lot! Likewise, in the last culture that has negative CatB and L, if you are given both CatB and CatL genes, then it increases by a lot but not if you're just given catB or L by itself. In conclusion - % of infected cells is increased and* only affected by the introduction of both catb and catL.

But I'm sure you knew that =)
 
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What do you mean by the chart? Are you referring to the Ebola graph?

---AAMC 11 SPOILER ALERT FOLKS!----

If that's the case basically they are showing three different cultures. You have wild-type WT, then you have negative CatB and positive CatL (meaning this culture already has CatL), and then you have negative for both. Then they are introducing just bacterial, CatB, and CatL to those cultures. In the first culture with positive CatL, if you are given additional CatL it doesn't really make a difference in the total number of infected cells. However, if you are given CatB to a culture that already has CatL, then it increases it by a lot! Likewise, in the last culture that has negative CatB and L, if you are given both CatB and CatL genes, then it increases by a lot but not if you're just given catB or L by itself. In conclusion - % of infected cells is increased only affected by the introduction of both catb and catL.

Yes, I was talking about the Ebola graph.
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense. So the stuff on the top means the media with these protease added to it? Okay that makes a lot of sense. Thank you
I didn't know what the CatB-/- and Cat+/+ etc meant so I kinda just guessed on the whole passage after 20 minutes of trying to decipher the graph.
I think I lack experimental interpretation skills. hmmmmm
 
UGH!

29 (10B, 7V, 12B) on AAMC #11. F^&$ that exam, holy hell!

Verbal scares me... if I score this low on the real thing I will be extremely disappointed in myself.

Ok and about the smooth ER and Golgi Apparatus...

So you guys are trying to tell me that ribosomes are found on the golgi apparatus? Because it seems to me like the defining characteristic between smooth and rough ER is the ribosomes. If the rough ER transports vesicles to the golgi, then you're saying that the golgi must have ribosomes on it as well..?

Someone has some 'splainin to do.
 
UGH!

29 (10B, 7V, 12B) on AAMC #11. F^&$ that exam, holy hell!

Verbal scares me... if I score this low on the real thing I will be extremely disappointed in myself.

Ok and about the smooth ER and Golgi Apparatus...

So you guys are trying to tell me that ribosomes are found on the golgi apparatus? Because it seems to me like the defining characteristic between smooth and rough ER is the ribosomes. If the rough ER transports vesicles to the golgi, then you're saying that the golgi must have ribosomes on it as well..?

Someone has some 'splainin to do.

What is the context for you saying that there must be ribosomes on the golgi?
 
Yes, I was talking about the Ebola graph.
Ohhh that makes a lot of sense. So the stuff on the top means the culture with these protease added to it? Okay that makes a lot of sense. Thank you
I didn't know what the CatB-/- and Cat+/+ etc meant so I kinda just guessed on the whole passage after 20 minutes of trying to decipher the graph.
I think I lack experimental interpretation skills. hmmmmm

Haha no problem! I'm pretty bad at graph-interpretation myself but I think we've encountered so many different types of data presentation that hopefully we should be set for the real deal 🙂
 
Finished AAMC11:

PS: 11
VR: 10
BS: 10

That was harder than I remember. Bio seemed on par with the real thing. PS was definitely math intensive. VR was whatever. I thought I did better in PS but I guess not.

AAMC 7-11 average: 31.4

I just want to break a damn 30 on this thing!!
 
I spent my last 20 minutes on that passage.... Didn't end up checking my answers for the other ones 🙁
I still don't understand what the chart means though... after the explanation I'm still lost... lol
I hope they don't have any of those passages PERIOD.

btw, I'm in the same boat of you MCAT wise...so I feel your pain on the 33 not being good enough. I got a 34 on AAMC 11 and was really pissed (12-10-12). I think we just need to be confident on the real thing and focus. At that point, you can't really be disappointed in the score you know? Just gotta take the test the best way we can. And I was staring at that chart for like 5 mins hahahha. I hated that, and I certainly would hope that there aren't any passages like that. 2 would be horrible though.
 
read my other thread and join me for last minute info sesh 😛


Edit: Saddd, 1 person came but they were not from SDN and left 🙁
 
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btw, I'm in the same boat of you MCAT wise...so I feel your pain on the 33 not being good enough. I got a 34 on AAMC 11 and was really pissed (12-10-12). I think we just need to be confident on the real thing and focus. At that point, you can't really be disappointed in the score you know? Just gotta take the test the best way we can. And I was staring at that chart for like 5 mins hahahha. I hated that, and I certainly would hope that there aren't any passages like that. 2 would be horrible though.

Thank you, I'm glad that someone knows that for some people 33 is not good enough. I need to get in this round, or else I have nothing to do after graduation...
I don't get why some people don't understand that some people have higher standards...

Anyways. Good luck to you! I hope we can all get the score we want.
 
Bout to get my last memorization/review in and I'm taking a break from SDN til Thursday night.

Good Luck everyone!
 
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I have really crappy GPA, so this is my only shot of getting into Med School. I am aiming for over a 35, so this is bad for me. Consider my 12 to be a 10. That's how my standard is in order for me to get into med school.

I have been getting 12 or above on BS for the past 6-7 AAMC tests. This is definitely lower than usual.
Also, I have been getting 13 or above on PS, so this is still lower than I expected.

I didn't come here to brag, I'm here to vent out my frustration at my ever lowering AAMC scores. I don't want to start fights.
Peace
You keep mentioning your crappy GPA. Just out of curiosity, what do you consider a crappy GPA??
 
Thanks, my biggest concern is freaking out on the actual exam and do even worse. I have the tendency to freak out pretty bad and mess up on really simple things.
Anyways, I don't think being so offensive to someone after their scores drop so significantly does anyone any good.

Like a lot of people have said, a big component of this exam is confidence, so don't let this one exam freak you out. You can obviously get a high score so just trust your ability. And yeah, I understand both your sides (hate that about myself lol). Nerves are running high for everyone with just one full day left, so I think we all just need to chill out. 🙂

However, as to you saying "I don't get why some people don't understand that some people have higher standards..." I really don't think that Fivo's comment about your post was because of people having lower standards. It's just that some are having a much more difficult time reaching that higher goal, that's all. And while you did say you didn't come to brag, it can come off that way to some people. (Personally, I couldn't care less what other people are scoring; it doesn't help/hurt me one way or another.) You mentioned you have a lower GPA which is why you're hoping for a 35-37+. What is it anyway (just curious, if you don't mind sharing)? I don't have a great GPA either so I probably should be shooting for a score as high as you are.

UGH!

29 (10B, 7V, 12B) on AAMC #11. F^&$ that exam, holy hell!

Verbal scares me... if I score this low on the real thing I will be extremely disappointed in myself.

Ok and about the smooth ER and Golgi Apparatus...

So you guys are trying to tell me that ribosomes are found on the golgi apparatus? Because it seems to me like the defining characteristic between smooth and rough ER is the ribosomes. If the rough ER transports vesicles to the golgi, then you're saying that the golgi must have ribosomes on it as well..?

Someone has some 'splainin to do.

I'll try to do some 'splainin 😛. I don't think anyone said there are ribosomes on the golgi (at least I didn't..). You said that proteins are transported from the smooth er to the golgi, but the smooth er isn't involved with protein synthesis; that's the rough er. Sooo, unless we're all misunderstanding/mis-reading each other's posts (which wouldn't be a first around here).. uh, yeah, that's what I meant. Nothin' about the golgi having ribosomes on it. 🙂
 
for the life of me I cannot understand this equation
can someone kindly volunteer to explain it to me( I mean I understand what it is, but when I am give a value for I for example, I have a hard time figuring out Db and vice versa

Db = 10log[ I ÷ I0 ]


p.s.this is the equation for Sound Decibels
 
Like a lot of people have said, a big component of this exam is confidence, so don't let this one exam freak you out. You can obviously get a high score so just trust your ability. And yeah, I understand both your sides (hate that about myself lol). Nerves are running high for everyone with just one full day left, so I think we all just need to chill out. 🙂

However, as to you saying "I don't get why some people don't understand that some people have higher standards..." I really don't think that Fivo's comment about your post was because of people having lower standards. It's just that some are having a much more difficult time reaching that higher goal, that's all. And while you did say you didn't come to brag, it can come off that way to some people. (Personally, I couldn't care less what other people are scoring; it doesn't help/hurt me one way or another.) You mentioned you have a lower GPA which is why you're hoping for a 35-37+. What is it anyway (just curious, if you don't mind sharing)? I don't have a great GPA either so I probably should be shooting for a score as high as you are.

Well, I think everyone has their own goals, and are allowed to talk about their frustrations when they don't reach their goal. I'm not here to make brag nor make fun of other people.

Out of the sciences that Med schools actually look at, I have B/B- in Bio and B in Chem, A in Physics, and A- in Orgo. I'm in a liberal arts school, and I have to take a lot of writing/history classes, so A LOT of B's in those as well. I do have some A's in my major classes, but apparently nutrition doesn't count as science... so I onno... I think my science GPA is pretty low, not that my overall is any better.
 
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Well, I think everyone has their own goals, and are allowed to talk about their frustrations when they don't reach their goal. I'm not here to make brag nor make fun of other people.

Out of the sciences that Med schools actually look at, I have B/B- in Bio and B in Chem, A in Physics, and A- in Orgo. I'm in a liberal arts school, and I have to take a lot of writing/history classes, so a lot of B's in those as well. I do have some A's in my major classes, but apparently nutrition doesn't count as science... so I onno... I think my science GPA is pretty low, not that my overall is any better.
I know that feels! I was so depressed to find out underwater basket weaving didn't count for a science either!!
 
UGH!

29 (10B, 7V, 12B) on AAMC #11. F^&$ that exam, holy hell!

Verbal scares me... if I score this low on the real thing I will be extremely disappointed in myself.

Ok and about the smooth ER and Golgi Apparatus...

So you guys are trying to tell me that ribosomes are found on the golgi apparatus? Because it seems to me like the defining characteristic between smooth and rough ER is the ribosomes. If the rough ER transports vesicles to the golgi, then you're saying that the golgi must have ribosomes on it as well..?

Someone has some 'splainin to do.



no, we are saying that Ribosomes are found on the Rough ER (which is found in the Cytoplasm) and this is where some of the proteins are synthesized..after the proteins are synthesized in the RER they get transported to the Golgi apparatus and then they are packed and shipped with other things

now the smooth ER is not involved in protein synthesis..Smooth ER regulates calcium ,it is responsible for Detoxification of drugs, Cholesterol metabolism,etc....

p.s.I think they have similar names because they look similar not because they function similarly and it looks like you did well on the biology section..do you mind giving me some tips? (I keep bombing the B.S. section even though I feel really confident when I am choosing my answers lol )
 
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PS on AAMC 11 was ridiculous. If it's anything like that on Thursday, I'm totally screwed. I legit guessed on at least 10 because I was running out of time. Calculations take me forever, and there was a real lot there. 🙁
 
I know that. My point is, since a lot of people on SDN get 35+, and many are shooting for who knows 40+, I didn't think my complaint about my 33 was "dickish" especially after it dropping from a 37 two days ago.

Imagine if you went from a 30 to a 26, wouldn't you be concerned too?

Well, I think everyone has their own goals, and are allowed to talk about their frustrations when they don't reach their goal. I'm not here to make brag nor make fun of other people.

People have already commented about your remark, but as someone who has been struggling with this test for many years, I feel like I should add my two cents. Fivo probably could have used a better word, but I do see where he is coming from. There is a difference between saying you dropped 4 points and saying that you did 'so bad' when a large majority of those studying for this test are struggling just to hit a 30. At one point I would have done anything just to get mid 20s, and hearing people on the thread saying that they "did bad" getting a 30-something, although understandable why they think so, still made those of us not scoring that high, feel like crap. All of us learn differently and at different paces. It's just about being more sensitive about what you're saying and to whom you're saying it.

I agree that people should be able to talk about their frustrations on the thread. We are not trying to tell you that you shouldn't. We, or at least I, am suggesting that you just be more sensitive.

I don't get why some people don't understand that some people have higher standards...

Tbh this kind of offends me, and only supports Fivo's high horse comment.

Anyway, like others have said, I'm sure you know your stuff and this score is just a fluke due to some distractions/stress. Just keep calm and concentrate on the real thing and you will be fine 👍
 
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Well, I think everyone has their own goals, and are allowed to talk about their frustrations when they don't reach their goal. I'm not here to make brag nor make fun of other people.

Out of the sciences that Med schools actually look at, I have B/B- in Bio and B in Chem, A in Physics, and A- in Orgo. I'm in a liberal arts school, and I have to take a lot of writing/history classes, so A LOT of B's in those as well. I do have some A's in my major classes, but apparently nutrition doesn't count as science... so I onno... I think my science GPA is pretty low, not that my overall is any better.

Luvahgilahsa, I know (well, I don't know but I believe) that you're here neither to brag nor make fun of other people. It's just frustrating to some that you're getting a score they would kill for and yet complain about it like it's lower than 25. What we say, especially on an internet forum, can come out very differently compared to what we originally meant which is why I said that we all just need to chill out. 👍

EDIT: Precisely what ChocoMoo said. (Hey, we both even ended with a 👍 haha.)
 
for the life of me I cannot understand this equation
can someone kindly volunteer to explain it to me( I mean I understand what it is, but when I am give a value for I for example, I have a hard time figuring out Db and vice versa

Db = 10log[ I ÷ I0 ]


p.s.this is the equation for Sound Decibels

Basically as Intensity increases by a factor of 10, Decibels increase by an addition of 10. So if I = 10^2 that would be 20 Db, I = 10^3 --> 30 Db, I = 10^4 --> 40 Db, and so on..
 
Okay okay, I get it.
I'm sorry for offending people that are getting below 30 on their AAMC.
Sorry for complaining, sorry for sharing my scores, sorry for being a dick, sorry for being a drama queen.

I get it that I was offensive by complaining that I did bad. Sorry I'm such a drama queen, I like to exaggerate my pains a lot. That's just how I deal with stress. You should've seen me during finals week. Anyways, Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I'm not going to argue anymore.

Not here to argue, hope everyone does well.
 
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no, we are saying that Ribosomes are found on the Rough ER (which is found in the Cytoplasm) and this is where some of the proteins are synthesized..after the proteins are synthesized in the RER they get transported to the Golgi apparatus and then they are packed and shipped with other things

now the smooth ER is not involved in protein synthesis..Smooth ER regulates calcium ,it is responsible for Detoxification of drugs, Cholesterol metabolism,etc....

p.s.I think they have similar names because they look similar not because they function similarly and it looks like you did well on the biology section..do you mind giving me some tips? (I keep bombing the B.S. section even though I feel really confident when I am choosing my answers lol )

LOL yes, my tip for the molecular biology passages is to write out any system of molecules, such as on AAMC #11 they talked about Rab and melanocytes, some adaptor proteins, etc., draw it out on paper. It makes things so much easier!! I wrote little bubbles and squares for each molecule/protein and I aced that section 🙂
 
Taking the rest of AAMC 11 right now. I took the physical science section earlier and got an 11 but most of the things I got wrong were very dumb mistakes. I also skipped an entire passage and forgot about it until about 5 minutes left and then proceeded to freak out. Dumb mistake that I hope doesn't happen approximately 33 hours from now.

Anyways, here's hoping verbal and bio goes well!
 
LOL yes, my tip for the molecular biology passages is to write out any system of molecules, such as on AAMC #11 they talked about Rab and melanocytes, some adaptor proteins, etc., draw it out on paper. It makes things so much easier!! I wrote little bubbles and squares for each molecule/protein and I aced that section 🙂

thanks for the tip 🙂
you see I map the bio passages because I find them full of details and the passages make sense to me but the problem is that I am a bio major and I have taken physiology, microbiology,etc so I have a lot of outside knowledge and sometimes I have a hard time when the passage brings something new because I still end up using my previous knowledge without realizing that I am doing it........
 
Gaaahhhh. My brain is done for the night and possibly tomorrow, too. Time to snuggle up on this with something yummy and a tv remote... 😴

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Good luck to everyone taking their final sections! :highfive:
 
Anybody up for a last minute question? This came up on one of my practice sets. I put B because I assumed SN2 leads to inversion of configuration but the answer was D. Thoughts???

Compound A is a pure enantiomer with one chiral center having an absolute configuration of R. If the chiral center is the location of an SN2 reaction, then the product will be:
A. pure Compound B, which is exclusively R.
B. pure Compound B′, which is exclusively S.
C. a racemic mixture of Compounds B (which is exclusively R) and B′ (which is exclusively S).
D. pure Compound B (which is exclusively R) or pure Compound B′ (which is exclusively S); there is insufficient information to determine which one is actually formed.
 
Anybody up for a last minute question? This came up on one of my practice sets. I put B because I assumed SN2 leads to inversion of configuration but the answer was D. Thoughts???

Compound A is a pure enantiomer with one chiral center having an absolute configuration of R. If the chiral center is the location of an SN2 reaction, then the product will be:
A. pure Compound B, which is exclusively R.
B. pure Compound B′, which is exclusively S.
C. a racemic mixture of Compounds B (which is exclusively R) and B′ (which is exclusively S).
D. pure Compound B (which is exclusively R) or pure Compound B′ (which is exclusively S); there is insufficient information to determine which one is actually formed.

Is it because we don't know whether the attacking compound will have the same priority as the leaving group or not? I think inversion of configuration only occurs if they both have the same priority. I could be wrong, but that's all I can think of. Anyone else?
 
Is it because we don't know whether the attacking compound will have the same priority as the leaving group or not? I think inversion of configuration only occurs if they both have the same priority. I could be wrong, but that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

Yea, priority could change so u don't know if it will be R or S.

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Is it because we don't know whether the attacking compound will have the same priority as the leaving group or not? I think inversion of configuration only occurs if they both have the same priority. I could be wrong, but that's all I can think of. Anyone else?

Yes, I had that question on one of my practice tests as well. It explained it as.
You don't know what priorities the leaving group and the incoming groups have. The leaving group might be a 4, but your attacking nucleophile might be a 1. In this case, you'll have retention of configuration. However, if your leaving group was a 1, and your nucleophile was a 1 as well then you are going to have inversion of configuration.
I hope that made sense. I made the same mistake as you too!
 
Thank you--on my behalf as well as the person who asked the question! Haha. I didn't know if there was other background information the OP didn't write, which is why I wasn't entirely sure. 😀
 
Yes, I had that question on one of my practice tests as well. It explained it as.
You don't know what priorities the leaving group and the incoming groups have. The leaving group might be a 4, but your attacking nucleophile might be a 1. In this case, you'll have retention of configuration. However, if your leaving group was a 1, and your nucleophile was a 1 as well then you are going to have inversion of configuration.
I hope that made sense. I made the same mistake as you too!

That makes perfect sense! Thanks everyone!! A little bit more verbal then I'm calling it a night
 
Just finished with AAMC 11. Got 11/7/10. That's a 28. Surprisingly! I'm not sad and panicking right now, I'm just going to do my best in VR on Thurs. That's the spirit!
 
It was sooooo harddddd!!! I guessed, I just couldn't concentrate!

I think it's a bit too late in the day to concentrate on a whole full length. I tried taking FL at night for the first few practice tests. I did horrible, made such stupid mistakes. I think taking it in the afternoon is perfect!
Although I do wish my test was closer to my house, I had to sign up for a test that's 2-3 hours away from my house because that's the closest one offered in my state. That means I have to wake up early anyways to get there😱 So much for getting lots of sleep.
 
*sigh*

I'm not sure how I should feel right now. I started this MCAT journey in 2009 with horrible (low 20's). It took me 3 years to finally give myself another chance and register again. I studied for over 4 months this time and learned so much about all these subjects that I never knew before. I had to overcome severe test-anxiety (panic-attacks during tests) and not being able to finish on-time which equated in severely fluctuating practice test scores.

People say that how well you do on the MCAT usually correlates with your average on AAMC's. Other people say how well you do depends on the latest AAMC's (10 and/or 11). I sincerely hope that none of this is the case and that we learned from all of our mistakes - that we don't fall under typical MCAT traps like test anxiety and tricky answer choices. I hope we all do well above our MCAT averages!

Good night everyone! And good luck to you all 🙂 :luck::xf:😍
 
That makes perfect sense! Thanks everyone!! A little bit more verbal then I'm calling it a night

no problem. How are you studying for verbal? I've finished the whole TPR verbal work book, yet I still don't think I'm ready. Any other sources I can use?
 
What are people doing for writing? Honestly, I haven't done any practice in it. Do people think it's more important to fully rest tomorrow from anything academic or to practice a little essay writing?
 
no problem. How are you studying for verbal? I've finished the whole TPR verbal work book, yet I still don't think I'm ready. Any other sources I can use?

Haha I'm actually doing passages from the TPR workbook plus the online content I got with the class. I went through EK, but my scores aren't really improving so I am just working on time since that's what I struggle with. I'm also reading New Yorker articles (here's a cool one! http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/frontal-cortex/2012/06/daniel-kahneman-bias-studies.html) and keeping myself focused while reading.
 
Ok I'm done studying. Just going to memorize formulas for my formula sheet, and mnemonics.

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Haha I'm actually doing passages from the TPR workbook plus the online content I got with the class. I went through EK, but my scores aren't really improving so I am just working on time since that's what I struggle with. I'm also reading New Yorker articles (here's a cool one! http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/frontal-cortex/2012/06/daniel-kahneman-bias-studies.html) and keeping myself focused while reading.

I took the class too!
I hate the online content though, it takes so long to load one passage... I was gonna give up on doing them! lol
Maybe I should do them today n tomorrow.
ps. did you do the Mcat review series FL exams? Those were so f*** hard, seriously, not kidding.

Edit: Interesting article. "When people face an uncertain situation, they don't carefully evaluate the information or look up relevant statistics. Instead, their decisions depend on a long list of mental shortcuts, which often lead them to make foolish decisions" I feel like they're talking about me when I do my MCAT questions....
 
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Ok, I'm slightly worried because right now, I'm looking through the writing prompts posted on the AAMC website and I have no idea about some of their prompts!

For example, It is better to tolerate minor defects in the law than to change it.

Or ....

Globalization eliminates important cultural differences.

Honestly, WHAT THE FLYING @#%$! IS THIS?!?!?! If I actually get these prompts, I'll probably end up getting a K...
 
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7/9/11 on AAMC 11. I hate my life. I finally got 30+ on my last two, and now I've dropped back down. 🙁
 
Ok, I'm slightly worried because right now, I'm looking through the writing prompts posted on the AAMC website and I have no idea about some of their prompts!

For example, It is better to tolerate minor defects in the law than to change it.

Or ....

Globalization eliminates important cultural differences.

Honestly, WHAT THE FLYING @#%$! IS THIS?!?!?! If I actually get these prompts, I'll probably end up getting a K...

Lol my only problem is if I can come up with good examples or counter examples.
I wonder if you've seen these videos. I think this is pretty good review
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