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i got a 37N...........
14PS, 10V, 13BS

i knew my bull**** is gonna come back and bite me in the ass one day..... i just didn't know it's this bad..........


like, how heavy do the not-so-top school look at your WS?
schools like columbia, vandy, albert?
 
I'm not normally one to ask the "what are my chances" question, regardless of how badly I want to. Yesterday evening however changed that tendancy. so, SDNers, here's the numbers, should I retake?
non sci GPA 3.55 sci gpa 3.6 MCAT: 29P. BS 10. VR10 PS9 Retake?
 
Zuerst said:
And looking at past statistics in the MSAR, the writing score for the accepted pool has 3 peaks centered at M, O, and Q... granted the peaks are of increasing heights from M to Q, it still implies that lower writing scorers have a shot, at least more so than a linear or exponential curve from J to T...
M is fine. A good writing score can help to offset (a little) a bad day on VR. You have a fine VR score, so I don't think your writing score will come into play much at all. If you look at the AAMC statistics for test re-takes, I think with a 33 you probably have something like an 80% chance of going down (I'm guessing on that stat - I haven't looked at the table in a long time). I wouldn't risk it - once you've gotten a 33, it's going to be very difficult to have the discipline to make sure you're back up to speed - and, remember, when you re-take, everything's on the line again.
 
geogil said:
I'm not normally one to ask the "what are my chances" question, regardless of how badly I want to. Yesterday evening however changed that tendancy. so, SDNers, here's the numbers, should I retake?
non sci GPA 3.55 sci gpa 3.6 MCAT 29P. Retake?

Nope. I would run with it. Good luck!
 
LifetimeDoc said:
Those are all great stats! But they only get your foot in the door, and people with lesser stats get interviews as well. Getting into medical school is a "process", and the whole person is what matters to most schools when you apply. Keep your spirits up and show the adcoms that you want to be a doctor, and your are dedicated to helping improve the health and well-being of others! 🙂

If I leave my score as it is now, will that reflect negatively on my persistence, etc? I'm really debating whether or not I should take it a 3rd time to at least end my streak in an upward trend?
 
I guess I'll join the club of nervous MCATers desperate for advice...

I got a 10BS, 10PS, 9VR and an R on the WS -- the frustrating thing is that VR was always my strongest section (I was scoring consistent 12's on my diags). But while I'm sure I could raise my VR score, I'm not so sure about the science sections. Then again, I thought I totally bombed PS when I walked out of the testing center, and I ended up with a 10, so maybe I could do it again in August?

Is 29R that bad? Does the R score on my writing sample make up for my VR score at all? Any advice would be MUCH appreciated. Thanks!
 
I think it depends on where you want to apply. You will be competitive with a 29 at many schools, especially with a strong GPA and EC's. However, if you are trying for top schools, you might want to aim for a higher number.

Best of luck!
 
I'm sure someone's asked this among the zillions of MCAT threads, but if you retake without marking the august MCAT thing (it SAYS to mark no if you're unsure, haters!) and you retake it, do medical schools see your new scores automatically or do you have to send them to each school?
 
I've posted earlier, I have a similar score (I got an M on writing tho), and also I am a CAnadain which lowers my chances... but to all people who are reading this post, which schools should we consider....? (i.e. what are some of the lower tier schools...)
 
QofQuimica said:
Since I'm being quoted (I always wanted to be famous!), I'll just weigh in and request that you all please play nice. MCATers, please don't bash happy. And happy, I know that you're being sarcastic, but the people who are jumping on you are not the ones with 35+ MCAT scores, and that's why they're so upset. Please don't come in here and stir the pot. 😉
I wrote: 30+
 
So I got a 28
9 PS
9 VR
10 BS
Q

I was actually suprised that my BS score was that high because I had to guess pretty much on every organic question. I was suprised that my PS score was that low, though. I was expecting at least a 10. I am a chemical engineer and biochemistry major with a 3.7 GPA. Should I retake? I would like to do a MD/PhD program if possible.
 
My scores were very lopsided: I got a 13 in verbal, 11 on bio, a 7 in physical sciences and an M on the WS. Total score: 31M. I don't know how to feel about this?? Should I retake in August?
 
mozilla said:
So I got a 28
9 PS
9 VR
10 BS
Q

I was actually suprised that my BS score was that high because I had to guess pretty much on every organic question. I was suprised that my PS score was that low, though. I was expecting at least a 10. I am a chemical engineer and biochemistry major with a 3.7 GPA. Should I retake? I would like to do a MD/PhD program if possible.
md phd programs are extremely competitive, and people usually go into them with mid to high 30s with GPAs similar to yours on the lower end. Thats been my experience with them thus far
 
apply, people on SDN are freakn' out about good scores... a 29 is the AVERAGE MATRICULATING SCORE!!!! Most people score a 24 on it. You'll be fine aslong as your other stuff is ok, people need to relax, plus the august mcat is regarded as tougher, curve is harder....
 
Advise, please?

29R--8 on Verbal, 10 on Bio and 11 on Physical.
High GPA but am trying to apply to MD/PhD programs.

Would it hurt me to retake and have the schools average the scores?
I was scoring between 33 and 35 on the practise exams.

Thanks!
 
Thanks so much for the encouragement, guys -- it's so nice of you to listen to our paranoid ramblings and offer a dose of reason 🙂

I'm not applying to top schools (in fact, I would be happy to get in anywhere), but my GPA is less than stellar (with pretty good EC's). I'm going to check with my premed advisor, but I'll probably stick with my score and hope for the best. Thanks again for the encouragement 🙂 Good luck to everyone!
 
I got a 29 too. I hope that's competitive for state schools in ny and nj.
 
Hey...new user here lookin for some advice...

last august this is what i got:

P-10
V-9
W-P
B-10
(29P)

this april i got:

P-12
V-7
W-N
B-12
(31N)

Even though my total score went up like i expected, my verbal went down b/c of an unexpected bathroom break that I had to take during the section. But anyways, will the 9 i had in verbal the first time play at all in the admissions decision??? Thanks for any help.
 
Doll619 said:
My scores were very lopsided: I got a 13 in verbal, 11 on bio, a 7 in physical sciences and an M on the WS. Total score: 31M. I don't know how to feel about this?? Should I retake in August?

I would say maybe because of the low PS section, but for no other reason. I got a 31M also, but my breakdown was 10PS, 11VR, 10BS. From what I've been told by a few advisors, the M doesn't matter, especially since we both have VR as our highest section. So, your total is great, but I would indeed consider retaking it for the PS if you are confident you can bring it up to at least a 9 and not let other sections suffer.
 
I have a similar situation where my verbal went down from 10 to 8 but my PS went up from 9 to 11, but I ended up w/ the same score. How do schools look at 2 tests? Do you they consider the best from each section or look at each score individually?

FullTiltMD said:
Hey...new user here lookin for some advice...

last august this is what i got:

P-10
V-9
W-P
B-10
(29P)

this april i got:

P-12
V-7
W-N
B-12
(31N)

Even though my total score went up like i expected, my verbal went down b/c of an unexpected bathroom break that I had to take during the section. But anyways, will the 9 i had in verbal the first time play at all in the admissions decision??? Thanks for any help.
 
i have a 3.7 at nyu as a biology major, and i got a 29 Q, (10 PS, 9 Verbal, 10 Bio) and i have decent ec's. I know ivy's are out of the question, but how bout schools like nyu, einstein, or sinai??
 
speciled15 said:
I have a similar situation where my verbal went down from 10 to 8 but my PS went up from 9 to 11, but I ended up w/ the same score. How do schools look at 2 tests? Do you they consider the best from each section or look at each score individually?

They look at the latest score. Most places I called will completly ignore the other scores and look only at the latest one that comes in. They def don't look at the best from each section, because otherwise you could take it 3 times and each time focus only on the section you wanted to do well in. It sucks, but it prevents that from happening I guess.
 
FullTiltMD said:
Hey...new user here lookin for some advice...

last august this is what i got:

P-10
V-9
W-P
B-10
(29P)

this april i got:

P-12
V-7
W-N
B-12
(31N)

Even though my total score went up like i expected, my verbal went down b/c of an unexpected bathroom break that I had to take during the section. But anyways, will the 9 i had in verbal the first time play at all in the admissions decision??? Thanks for any help.

It depends on the school. Some will only consider the most recent scores, OHSU does this I know. Other schools will take the highest scores from each section regardless of which test it came from. Contact the schools you're interested in if you're really curious. In my opinion though, 31N is probably high enough you don't have to worry.
 
sara3426 said:
I'm sure someone's asked this among the zillions of MCAT threads, but if you retake without marking the august MCAT thing (it SAYS to mark no if you're unsure, haters!) and you retake it, do medical schools see your new scores automatically or do you have to send them to each school?


i'm curious too. anyone??
 
how does my score look

v-7 (out of no where, getting 9-11 on practice tests)
b-11
p-12
w-O

should i retake, risking a lower b/p score, or apply with this score...

my gpa's are average (3.6)
 
Doll619 said:
My scores were very lopsided: I got a 13 in verbal, 11 on bio, a 7 in physical sciences and an M on the WS. Total score: 31M. I don't know how to feel about this?? Should I retake in August?

Mine is almost the exact same. 13 V, 10 B, 7 P, R on WS (30R). 7 is a bummer of course, but I think we'll be ok. Especially with the rest of the app being strong (GPA, EC's, Letters, essay).
 
35. I told myself I wouldn't retake if I got a 35 or higher. I know it's a great score, but here's the thing -- I really only studied for about 3 weeks prior to the test, in the midst of taking a bunch of pre-reqs. I hadn't taken a practice test, so my timing was off. Even if I studied for the next two months and could get my score up to a 40+, would it even be worth doing? I'm going to apply to my state school now, and if I retake, I'd probably wait for the August scores to apply to some more competitive ones.
 
Since your verbal score is pretty low and your writing sample score isn't outstanding, I would take it again, especially if you're planning on applying to schools with a cutoff MCAT score. Good luck!
 
infinite.inkwel said:
how does my score look

v-7 (out of no where, getting 9-11 on practice tests)
b-11
p-12
w-O

should i retake, risking a lower b/p score, or apply with this score...

my gpa's are average (3.6)

Tough call, i'm in a similar boat (v-13,b-10,p7,w-R). I think i'm going to roll with what I have. My combined gpa (undergrad and grad) will be about 3.65.
 
coralfangs said:
i got a 37N...........
14PS, 10V, 13BS

i knew my bull**** is gonna come back and bite me in the ass one day..... i just didn't know it's this bad..........


like, how heavy do the not-so-top school look at your WS?
schools like columbia, vandy, albert?


To quote another poster, the writing sample is about as important as what color socks you wore to your interview.

In other words, it is unimportant unless you live in canada where they have strict cutoffs for everything.
 
vmc303 said:
35. I told myself I wouldn't retake if I got a 35 or higher. I know it's a great score, but here's the thing -- I really only studied for about 3 weeks prior to the test, in the midst of taking a bunch of pre-reqs. I hadn't taken a practice test, so my timing was off. Even if I studied for the next two months and could get my score up to a 40+, would it even be worth doing? I'm going to apply to my state school now, and if I retake, I'd probably wait for the August scores to apply to some more competitive ones.

Don't re-take. Your score is awesome. Run with it! No need to score perfect, the goal is to just get into med school. You'll waste your money, time, and energy trying to be a gunner at this stage.
 
vmc303 said:
35. I told myself I wouldn't retake if I got a 35 or higher. I know it's a great score, but here's the thing -- I really only studied for about 3 weeks prior to the test, in the midst of taking a bunch of pre-reqs. I hadn't taken a practice test, so my timing was off. Even if I studied for the next two months and could get my score up to a 40+, would it even be worth doing? I'm going to apply to my state school now, and if I retake, I'd probably wait for the August scores to apply to some more competitive ones.


Please tell me you are joking?????? That is the stupidest thing you could do. Keep the score you got. It is 95th percentile. I hope you realize that means the top percent of test takers in the country who took the MCAT with you.

There have been people who got in top tier schools with a 33 and who were not URMs. So I'm sure your score is fine. Worry about the rest of your profile.
 
Okay, I felt like I really had something to prove with MCAT because I did my undergrad in Bioengineering and not a biological science. I'm not sure if I feel like I did that.

32Q:
PS - 13
VR - 9
BS - 10
WS - Q
GPA - 3.7

Get in? Probably. 👍 Is that enough for me? I don't know. 👎

Your thoughts...
 
ZipsPwn said:
Okay, I felt like I really had something to prove with MCAT because I did my undergrad in Bioengineering and not a biological science. I'm not sure if I feel like I did that.

32Q:
PS - 13
VR - 9
BS - 10
WS - Q
GPA - 3.7

Get in? Probably. 👍 Is that enough for me? I don't know. 👎

Your thoughts...

I don't understand your question. You obviously don't HAVE to retake, especially since you already say that you'll probably get in. Is there a question that your asking?
 
ckvan said:
I wrote for the first time in April and I scrored:

11 PS, 10 VR, 11BS, Writing O

My GPA is above 3.9.

The only reason I ask is that I broke the wrist of my writing arm 2 weeks prior to the date and the AAMC, being the kind organization it is, did not allow me any sort of special conditions. It wouldn't have been that bad, but I had a cast similar to this (with better thumb access of course):

fig04-md.jpg


This cast not only affected my writing ability (a lot), but also caused me to become tired for the 2 weeks prior to the exam and, obviously, was a distraction on other parts of the exam. I was, howevere, able to write my essays with my writing hand and fill in bubbles, but at a slower rate than normal.

Now the question is:

Do medical schools take such events into consideration when reviewing applications (is it even possible for me to prove this was the case)

OR

Am I out of luck and retaking in August.


I hate to sound like a whiner, but I put so much effort into this SOB and it pisses me off that one second of bad luck would screw it all up. Any thoughts would be kindly appreciated.

I also forgot to add that I know I can do better, it's just a matter of whether 1 or 2 points and a few letters in the writing are worth it.



32 is a great score especially considering your GPA. Don't retake it. It could have been worse.
 
ZipsPwn said:
Okay, I felt like I really had something to prove with MCAT because I did my undergrad in Bioengineering and not a biological science. I'm not sure if I feel like I did that.

32Q:
PS - 13
VR - 9
BS - 10
WS - Q
GPA - 3.7

Get in? Probably. 👍 Is that enough for me? I don't know. 👎

Your thoughts...


You are fine. Don't retake it. Your GPA is good and your overall is good. You have at least above 8 in each section so you'll be fine.

It all depends on the rest of your profile such as LORs and ECs.
 
It depends on your whole application. If you have a solid app w/research, clinical, good gpa, then you don't retake.

If you rock at everything else, its not worth retaking this god forsaken test.
 
coralfangs said:
no, im not being a troll here

the cutoffs in canada here are O or Ps.......


oh ya and yes, im not a native english speaker >_<


Then I would highly recommend you go to go an American school rather then going through hell 2x over.
 
Another 29(P)er here!!! I think such a score will not be an obstacle to get into state MD schools... Now I need to decided whether to keep my Md/Phd dream alive or not... :/
 
28M. PS 9 BS 9 VR 10. I am most definitely retaking. Armed with the help of Audio Osmosis and EK1001 I hope to bump up each score by atleast 1 point which would be fine for me.
 
Monarch Kong said:
If I leave my score as it is now, will that reflect negatively on my persistence, etc? I'm really debating whether or not I should take it a 3rd time to at least end my streak in an upward trend?


LEAVE IT ALONE. Learn from your previous mistake of retaking when you had a 32!!
 
K.Calgary said:
Hey, I've just been a lurker on these forums for the last while, and I really need some advice because I'm in the oddest situation.

I did not study for this MCAT. When I say I didn't study, I mean here in Canada most med schools (all of the ones I'm applying for) take your best score and don't even look at other scores, so rewriting means absolutely nothing. I have already signed up for August 19th, and have always prepared as if this were my real mcat date.

I signed up on the last day of late registration at the advice of a friend who teaches Kaplan's, said it would be good test-day practice and since it makes no difference I should write.

I signed up for Kaplan's assuming I would fail miserably because I didn't study, I studied the night before by flipping through the easiest physics and chemistry topics, over the course of 4 hours after a final. My finals were set up so that they hugged the mcat and I couldn't afford any more time (Human Phys, Cell Bio, Organic B, Vector Geo).

Now the complicated part. My scores are very obviously indicative of how little I managed to cram in. I obviously had a lot of bio sciences this year so that was pretty good but physical I took a beating.

PS 8/BS 12/Verbal 14/Q so I have a 34Q.

I know that PS 8 looks like balls. Is it worth retaking it seriously? If I bomb the mcat, I get my $1500 from Kaplan's back, minus the cost of the MCAT itself $200 CAD ish. Money really does mean very little, not that I have very much just if we all get into med school this will become peanuts.

I got lucky and I'm thankful for it, I just don't know that I could ever get a 14 on verbal again (I got a 10 at Kaplan's diagnostic but generally average 12-13ish), but I can do better in physical (11 on Kaplan's diagnostic) I just had no time to study and got HARD passages.

I think after having a summer of studying for it I may be able to get 36-40 hopefully, and definately with a better distribution of the marks.

Thoughts?



You'd be an utter ***** to retake the test. If it is not good for Canada, then apply to an american school. I'm pretty sure you'll get into one.
 
ReDox said:
28M. PS 9 BS 9 VR 10. I am most definitely retaking. Armed with the help of Audio Osmosis and EK1001 I hope to bump up each score by atleast 1 point which would be fine for me.


hey!!!! i have the same exact breakdown except i got an S on the writing. i am unsure about retaking. i don't want to go through that hell again/am not sure i can improve that much with this little time and full time working. what is your gpa?
 
Revolution said:
I understand crazycavelier's point, that I should not complain about a 30+, but this 9 in VR is really disappointing. I took the cbt test and wasn't used to being unable to make notes on the page. I was a literature major in undergrad and was scoring 11-12 on verbal in practice tests.

My GPA is around 3.2 overall, 3.3 BCMP, with a 3.9 post-bacc. The upward trend is nice, but maybe not enough. Honestly, I'm not sure if I should retake and try for a better verbal score. I could really use some advice, since MDapplicants doesn't paint a very pretty picture...

Total: 34S

Physical Sciences: 14
Verbal Reasoning: 9
Biological Sciences: 11

Mdapps doesn't portray a representative sample size of the true applicant pool. They are only very self selective. Don't use MDapps as a judgement.

I know several people with similar stats to yours that got in a few years ago. I think you'll be fine.
 
My case is similar, I got V10, B9, and P7, Writing-P.

I wouldn't retake it because your BS and PS scores are very good, and they might go down if you do.

I was scoring 8-9 consistently on PS during practice exams, I never got anything under 8, yet I score a sucky 7 in physics, but I'm going with it. It's less than 2 months until August and I really do not want to retake. I think the fact that PS was the first section didn't help me, because I freaked out and ran out of time, and I did better with the other ones because I learned from that. But whatever, I have good grades in Physics and Gen Chem (except for freshman year, yucks, but they were retaken).
I think I'm sticking with my score unless I don't get in this year. Then I'll take it again April 2007.
 
arsenicmercury said:
Advise, please?

29R--8 on Verbal, 10 on Bio and 11 on Physical.
High GPA but am trying to apply to MD/PhD programs.

Would it hurt me to retake and have the schools average the scores?
I was scoring between 33 and 35 on the practise exams.

Thanks!

Ah, that score looks familiar! (My exact breakdown as well, last year)

Talk to your premed advisor and carefully consider your whole application before you decide whether or not to retake the MCAT. Your decision to retake should be based not solely on your MCAT score, but rather, it should be based on your whole application package (GPA, EC's, clinical contact, and most importantly for MD/PhD - RESEARCH EXPERIENCE).

MD/PhD programs are a whole 'nother beast. Generally, the candidates have higher stats all around; MCAT and GPA. If your GPA is high (3.7+), and you have good research experience, you're still in the running despite the average MCAT score (29R). If you have publications under your belt, you're that much stronger for the MD/PhD programs. The 8 verbal is still a little weak and might keep you out of some of the prissy programs (*cough cough* WAKE FOREST *cough*) so I would advise you to consider programs all around the nation and a wide variety of them. Many non-number-whoring schools, like VCU, Drexel, Tulane, etc. have MD/PhD programs as well, so keep those on your list! Finally, keep in mind that by applying MD/PhD, you're automatically considered for the regular MD program if the MD/PhD program decides not to interview you... however, you will be behind in the regular MD applicant pile, and that delay could hurt too.
 
I belong here.

11/8/14....VR always gave me trouble..but I was averaging 10's or so on practice exams towards the end. I actually had to pee really really bad (drank coffee) during VR and kinda rushed...oh well, no way I'm taking that beast again.
 
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