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Another 3 trillion dollars we don't have spent in a poor way by an inefficient government isn't what this nation needs. How about helping the unemployed with a $1500 per month stipend for 3-5 months? No more stimulus checks. No more trillions wasted . Instead, spend the money on those that actually need the help the most.

Before any of you criticize my comment remember we actually don't have another trillion dollars; the money is fake being printed and borrowed to be paid back by the children and their children's children. We are creating generations worth of debt for others to repay.

just cut federal taxes. put money in wallet of people who need directly.

probably wont happen bc the government is so incompetent.

cant even do unemployment checks right. half the people make more money unemployed now than employed. well done
 

Very interesting article on our government spending.
Interesting article, but our situation is nothing like the post war situation. Taxes were higher and government spending dried up after the war ended. We are in an era of lower taxes and exponentially growing programs and spending, and have a significantly older population.

Regarding interest on the debt, our interest rates are held artificially down by every trick in the book. At some point (sooner than later) when people no longer buy enough of our low yield treasuries to cover the debt, treasury rates have to rise to attract buyers, except higher interest rates on our debt would bury us. At that point, which has already started since 08, the Fed will just crank out gazillions of dollars to buy up the debt. That won't end pretty. Never does.

As far as all we have to do is grow faster than the deficit, well clearly we aren't because debt to gdp is rising at a steep slope. The US and world doesn't have the resources for the same level of population growth as post WW2 so the economic growth will have to be from innovation and efficiency, not quite as easy to sustain as just growing the number of people.

Good article, except he writes off our debt a bit as no big deal. I strongly disagree on that.
 
He's still one of the few American presidents that I have respect for. People with a lot of administrative experience make good presidents. I would love to see more governors/generals elected, instead of these empty talkers.
I love Ike. Last great president as far as I'm concerned. No president in my lifetime has felt such a responsibility to hold spending down, balance budgets, and tax as much as and only as necessary. Such a great era for US dominance. There was no giant government hammock for society to lounge in. It was the land of opportunity. Defense was 50% of the budget. You didn't mess with us. Ike was rightly concerned about military growth, but now at 20% of the budget people think defense is the reason for our budget shortfalls.

ps- I realize it wasn't a great era for all Americans, particularly in some areas, but it was great in that the majority were also trying to make those conditions better and equal.
 
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I wonder if he knows that Eisenhower led off that "greatest era of American finances" with 8 years of a top marginal income tax rate of 90%+ for an individual making $1.7m+ in today's dollars and 72% for someone making $400k+ in today's dollars.
Almost sounds like an air of snooty in that opening sentence. I fall in that <10% that they call an... "independent. thinker."... I vote for Trump because the Chavez/Castro trifecta of a Democrat House/Senate/President would be disastrous. This does not mean I haven't been extremely critical and disappointed by Trump's tax cuts and compete fiscal irresponsibility.
 
Dude, I have seen massive poverty and corruption right here in the Deep South USA. Hard to believe but there are people who live without plumbing, electricity and who go hungry right here in this superpower.
We got plenty of corruption as well. It just often gets hidden a little better. Until someone whistle blows and it comes to light.

i haven’t been to the deep south, do you think it’s as bad as the philippines, cambodia, myanmar ... ?
 
Another 3 trillion dollars we don't have spent in a poor way by an inefficient government isn't what this nation needs. How about helping the unemployed with a $1500 per month stipend for 3-5 months? No more stimulus checks. No more trillions wasted . Instead, spend the money on those that actually need the help the most.

Before any of you criticize my comment remember we actually don't have another trillion dollars; the money is fake being printed and borrowed to be paid back by the children and their children's children. We are creating generations worth of debt for others to repay.

I’m confused. How is a $1500 monthly stipend not a stimulus check? And how do you define “unemployed”?
 
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Agree with point 1.

Point 2 less so. For instance, the 72% tax above 400k combined with my state taxes would lead to an 80% rate. I'd be hard pressed to work above that level for 20 cents on every dollar.

Tax rates themselves are relatively useless data points to look at. During these so called “high tax” times, hardly anyone actually paid those rates. Government revenue to GDP has remained relatively stable. We’re currently slightly lower than our peaks, but it’s not as if the tax revenue fell off a cliff. The top 1% is paying roughly 5% lower effective tax rates now. The elephant in the room continues to be spending and there’s one category that continues to go up and up and up as a percentage of GDP.
 
i haven’t been to the deep south, do you think it’s as bad as the philippines, cambodia, myanmar ... ?
Possibly. Only difference is people can often get food stamps. So they don’t die of hunger.
But they are using outhouses or dumping waste in the forest, have no running water, (have no clue about trapping rainwater), can’t pay their electric bills or are not on the grid to have power, have all kind of health issues at young ages that they can’t afford because the red states didn’t expand Medicaid.
It iscertainly sad for a supposed “superpower”. I don’t know if it’s as bad as third world countries but it’s bad.
 

Above is a timeline of events constructed by the NYTimes regarding the Arbery killing. While their biased agendas are well known, it looks factual as best I can tell and let's assume it is based on everything known.

If this is the totally of evidence, which it probably won't be, but if this is it, the McFlintstones are screwed. I'm just a smart guy with lawyers in the family; I am not lawyer and don't pretend to have the answers. But in my amateur opinion, they are going away for years.

I don't so far see any reason to do a citizen's arrest, ie no felonies committed. I no longer even care if he's a jogger or not. Based on what I see, in my opinion that answer doesn't really help or hurt either party.

To me it doesn't matter if he was looking to steal and didn't. You can't prove he was looking to steal based on just one shoplifting conviction, and so far has no history of stealing from construction sites. It appears nothing was stolen in previous visits to this site, and Arbery may not even be the guy in the other videos. Sadly this could also be a horrible a case of mistaken identity.

As for self defense by Jr McFlintstone, I'm speculating that's out the window because they chased this kid up and down, back and forth to where the kid can be argued made a desperate life preservation move. If the McFlintstones don't have anything more than this I'm thinking it's second degree murder (As an internet lawyer I say this does not look like first degree murder. You don't call 911 before and during a premeditated murder. But I could see them bumping this to first degree if it's deemed that the chase and pursuit was a felony to begin with, especially with the heavy passions for this case).

All this is out the window is it turns out Arbery left a dead baby at the construction site, but short of some hidden bombshell they look screwed and probably deserve to be. I dont want the Wild West where complete bozos go around chasing people with guns just because they look suspicious. I sure as bleep wouldn't want a pack of other race men chasing me with guns each time they think I look "suspicious."

I just feel like these idiots had to have more to go on. Are they really that dumb? If yes, I say Manslaughter at a minimum and that may set off riots. Most likely second degree murder because their reckless dumbsh** behavior lead to them killing him, and maybe even first degree if they get extremely aggressive in going after them. They better immediately pay up current on Aryan Nation dues before going to prison so they get some protection on the inside. They'll need it.

.....but this could all change as more facts roll in.

Oh, and the guy filming with the Moe Stooges haircut, he is sweating big time. I'd be looking to cut a sweet deal and roll over like a trained dog on the Father Son team.
 
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Wow. That video and reconstruction.
He ran from these people up and down the street for four minutes.
Four minutes fearing for your life. Poor Aubrey. He was trying to get away for a while.
This is beyond disturbing.
And these backwood hillbillies feel justified? And didn’t get arrested for two months?
Imagine what would have happened before video cameras. And that idiot who filmed it lied to the police about being involved. He needs to be arrested too.
@We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes, thanks for the link.
 
Wow. That video and reconstruction.
He ran from these people up and down the street for four minutes.
Four minutes fearing for your life. Poor Aubrey. He was trying to get away for a while.
This is beyond disturbing.
And these backwood hillbillies feel justified? And didn’t get arrested for two months?
Imagine what would have happened before video cameras. And that idiot who filmed it lied to the police about being involved. He needs to be arrested too.
@We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes, thanks for the link.
That video brought tears to my eyes. If that was an accurate portrayal (and I have no reason to doubt), I hope those hillbilly pigs fry. I’ll go back to lurking now.
 
Wow. That video and reconstruction.
He ran from these people up and down the street for four minutes.
Four minutes fearing for your life. Poor Aubrey. He was trying to get away for a while.
This is beyond disturbing.
And these backwood hillbillies feel justified? And didn’t get arrested for two months?
Imagine what would have happened before video cameras. And that idiot who filmed it lied to the police about being involved. He needs to be arrested too.
@We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes, thanks for the link.

I didn't realize until seeing that video that the cops didn't even take the bubbas down to the station to get their statements or collect any evidence. Just took their statements next to the body and said see ya later. That entire county should be investigated by the FBI, all the way from the DA down to the street level cops.
 
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People like to bash Trump while ignoring the evil mess Democrats are pushing through

I guess you think the following is an evil mess and not worthy causes since the money in Pelosi's latest bill is allocated towards:

Testing and Contact Tracing

Student Loan Forgiveness

Housing and Rent support

Funding for food stamps because food banks all over the country are getting overwhelmed

Employee retention tax credit

Extension of unemployment benefits

State, local, and tribal governments, many of which are facing bankruptcy

Another round of direct payments for families

Hazard pay for essential workers
 
People like to bash Trump while ignoring the evil mess Democrats are pushing through

If they are taking the appropriate precautions why would these patients not be readmitted to a SNF? That is what they do. Take care of patients who don't need the hospital and can't go home. The initial spread through SNFs was due to lack of knowledge/awareness of the disease and lack of precautions. If they are utilizing appropriate PPE and isolation procedures I fail to see the issue.

And if "the democrats" actually WERE out there sacrificing virgins to Baal...does that really excuse the tweets that come out of Trump's brain?
 
If they are taking the appropriate precautions why would these patients not be readmitted to a SNF? That is what they do. Take care of patients who don't need the hospital and can't go home. The initial spread through SNFs was due to lack of knowledge/awareness of the disease and lack of precautions. If they are utilizing appropriate PPE and isolation procedures I fail to see the issue.

And if "the democrats" actually WERE out there sacrificing virgins to Baal...does that really excuse the tweets that come out of Trump's brain?

why not send them to covid only health centers?
 
I guess you think the following is an evil mess and not worthy causes since the money in Pelosi's latest bill is allocated towards:

Testing and Contact Tracing

Student Loan Forgiveness

Housing and Rent support

Funding for food stamps because food banks all over the country are getting overwhelmed

Employee retention tax credit

Extension of unemployment benefits

State, local, and tribal governments, many of which are facing bankruptcy

Another round of direct payments for families

Hazard pay for essential workers

I'm talking about the disastrous covid responses of democrat states, since Trump left it to them. I'm also showing why Cuomo is massively overrated and barely anyone who isn't a Republican criticizes him. Everyone and their families like to slam Trump and give him free attention but people are willing to overlook and forgive the disastrous mismanagement of NY covid response.
 
why not send them to covid only health centers?

From a public health/scientific standpoint...why are those needed? ARE they needed? And where should those come from? If there are no aerosolizing procedures being performed then standard droplet precautions and isolation are appropriate.
 
From a public health/scientific standpoint...why are those needed? ARE they needed? And where should those come from? If there are no aerosolizing procedures being performed then standard droplet precautions and isolation are appropriate.

To avoid mixing them in with non covid patients? That's the driving reason why it spread and people have already been complaining about nursing homes vulnerability for months, so i don't know why you're defending the NY/NJ/CA state orders when NY later said it was a fatal mistake and removed the order.

MA and CT got the right message of having covid only health centers and WA is thinking about utilizing a similar approach as well.
 
I'm talking about the disastrous covid responses of democrat states, since Trump left it to them. I'm also showing why Cuomo is massively overrated and barely anyone who isn't a Republican criticizes him. Everyone and their families like to slam Trump and give him free attention but people are willing to overlook and forgive the disastrous mismanagement of NY covid response.

Well I think we can all agree that Trump did "leave it to them"...with no CDC guidance, delayed Federal assistance and a lack of complete and total leadership.

Can you tell me how Washington or California demonstrated disastrous failure? NY got overwhelmed hard and fast, not sure anything could have been done to help them out. People continue to cry "shut down the subways"! But then no essential worker could get to work. The nightly shutting down and decon could have happened sooner.

In my mind all of that pales in comparison to whatever "response" Trump may have mustered. Delayed, defer and deny has been his one and only game plan and in all honesty, it sickens me. Give me GW or GH before this guy, hell, I would've taken the evil robot Cheney.

I suppose we may have a better idea on how things are going once the IG report comes out...oh wait...has that one been fired too?

This isn't politicization, this is a failed response by an incompetent administration. So yes, I think that individuals and organizations have every right to bash Trump.
 
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I guess you think the following is an evil mess and not worthy causes since the money in Pelosi's latest bill is allocated towards:

Testing and Contact Tracing

Student Loan Forgiveness

Housing and Rent support

Funding for food stamps because food banks all over the country are getting overwhelmed

Employee retention tax credit

Extension of unemployment benefits

State, local, and tribal governments, many of which are facing bankruptcy

Another round of direct payments for families

Hazard pay for essential workers
Vector Chavez.
Welcome to the Venezuela States of America.
 
Well I think we can all agree that Trump did "leave it to them"...with no CDC guidance, delayed Federal assistance and a lack of complete and total leadership.

Can you tell me how Washington or California demonstrated disastrous failure? NY got overwhelmed hard and fast, not sure anything could have been done to help them out. People continue to cry "shut down the subways"! But then no essential worker could get to work. The nightly shutting down and decon could have happened sooner.

In my mind all of that pales in comparison to whatever "response" Trump may have mustered. Delayed, defer and deny has been his one and only game plan and in all honesty, it sickens me. Give me GW or GH before this guy, hell, I would've taken the evil robot Cheney.

I suppose we may have a better idea on how things are going once the IG report comes out...oh wait...has that one been fired too?

This isn't politicization, this is a failed response by an incompetent administration. So yes, I think that individuals and organizations have every right to bash Trump.

Again i'm slamming NY not other states because Cuomo is so badly overrated that he overshadows even the Democratic governors of CA and WA. But since you asked, i have no problem with WA's response but CA disappointed me with the nursing home order. NY couldn't coordinate properly with its local governments even though they're both Democrats.
 
To avoid mixing them in with non covid patients? That's the driving reason why it spread and people have already been complaining about nursing homes vulnerability for months, so i don't know why you're defending the NY/NJ/CA state orders when NY later said it was a fatal mistake and removed the order.

MA and CT got the right message of having covid only health centers and WA is thinking about utilizing a similar approach as well.

There have been a large number of patients discharged to SNFs that are capable of handling them without issues, at least none that have been reported. The incident that really brought this under scrutiny was the Gurwin Center where they had around 40 residents and a housekeeper die. Was this because of the discharged patients? Or was it staff? Or were they not capable of taking care of those patients safely? There was a quote from the director saying something along the lines of they agreed to accept X number of patients but "they kept rolling in from local hospitals". I question that statement.

And I don't think any government has made a blanket statement that all SNFs/ALFs/AFHs must accept the patients, there is language included to the effect of "safely care for" etc etc. There are SNFs I wouldn't put my ex in and I hate that woman. If these places aren't able to isolate and use PPE properly they should be shut down...which is a whole other discussion.

I guess if we all admit to ourselves that 90% of the SNFs/ALFs out there are complete and utter $#!@ then I will probably bow to your argument.

My points about WA and CA were in reference to a "democratic states" line in your prior post.
 
I'm talking about the disastrous covid responses of democrat states, since Trump left it to them. I'm also showing why Cuomo is massively overrated and barely anyone who isn't a Republican criticizes him. Everyone and their families like to slam Trump and give him free attention but people are willing to overlook and forgive the disastrous mismanagement of NY covid response.
How is comparing the president of the US to a state governor a normal equivalency? They operate with entirely different budgets, authorities, scopes and most importantly- expectations. Who cares what Cuomo did or didn't do, the president of the US ****ed this country over.

The defacto Republican response to criticism of "dear leader" is to point to another scapegoat. But I guess that's expected when you "don't take responsibility at all".

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I'm also showing why Cuomo is massively overrated and barely anyone who isn't a Republican criticizes him.

This ran in the New York Times.

In April.


This ran in the NY Daily News, and criticizes Cuomo from the left


Another one

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Cuomo gets respect because he is honest and has at least admitted during this whole process that there were failures at the beginning

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Often – and unlike Trump – Cuomo will admit where New York is falling short on equipment. He is frank that the crisis won’t end tomorrow or any time soon.

“In general, I am tired of being behind this virus. We’ve been behind this virus since day one,” Cuomo said at a press conference last week. “Everybody wants to know one thing: when is it over? Nobody knows. ‘Well, the president said by Easter, this one said by this’ … nobody knows. But I can say this: it is not going to be soon.”


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Well no one is gonna trust China especially after the current pandemic. Japan has the issue of high debt to GDP (much what we will face after this is over) as well as aging population (what we will have in the future). South Korea is a small country. In the medium term, Asian economies will surpass that of the US. However, their standard of living will take many decades to catch up to that of the West. Europe is suffering just as much as the US, if not worse from COVID. Perhaps, no one is laughing, but we are well on the path to joining the long list of failed banana republics and empires.


South Korea has 51 million population, much of it very densely packed.
 
That video brought tears to my eyes. If that was an accurate portrayal (and I have no reason to doubt), I hope those hillbilly pigs fry. I’ll go back to lurking now.
Don’t lurk. Come and join in all the craziness.
 
From a public health/scientific standpoint...why are those needed? ARE they needed? And where should those come from? If there are no aerosolizing procedures being performed then standard droplet precautions and isolation are appropriate.

Because COVID spread like wildfire in these facilities before. They’re not really equipped to isolate patients from each other and the caregivers go from room to room.
 
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It's just truly baffling how someone can try to place equal blame on the states when Trump's federal government, which is truly the only entity capable of responding to a crisis of this magnitude, is this incompetent (my guess is this one must've been a Jared special):




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Let's ask this guy. He thinks Corona has taken billions of lives, dwarfing the 150 million killed by handguns in this country since 2007...
If you don't think we are Rome, look at who our "best" two are to run the country. smh



 
Let's ask this guy. He thinks Corona has taken billions of lives, dwarfing the 150 million killed by handguns in this country since 2007...
If you don't think we are Rome, look at who our "best" two are to run the country. smh






Biden should avoid talking about numbers. He may still be okay with numbers but he can’t simultaneously talk and keep his numbers straight.
 
We're getting a bit off tangent. My frustration is i hate states forcing nursing homes to take in covid patients because we know for a while that a lot of nursing homes are poorly prepared and supplied to properly handle the pandemic. I'm slamming the states for making such a bad and fatal decision rather than safely designating covid only health centers for hospital transfers.
 
Biden should avoid talking about numbers. He may still be okay with numbers but he can’t simultaneously talk and keep his numbers straight.

a corpse would be more effective than Trump since at least it wouldn't get in the way of experts who actually knew what they were talking about
 
a corpse would be more effective than Trump since at least it wouldn't get in the way of experts who actually knew what they were talking about

In 2016 the Republicans had a couple of decent candidates but they chose Trump. In 2020, the democrats choose Biden who seems unfit to me. It feels like the Twilight Zone. I can’t believe these 2 are our choices. In the end I think Biden will be less harmful than Trump so he’ll get my vote.
 
a corpse would be more effective than Trump since at least it wouldn't get in the way of experts who actually knew what they were talking about

Sort of how I feel about Biden. Senile? Sure. Someone I want as President? No. But likely to at least listen to his advisors? Probably. Is that enough to get my vote in this upcoming, sad excuse for a presidential election? Probably.
 
In 2016 the Republicans had a couple of decent candidates but they chose Trump. In 2020, the democrats choose Biden who seems unfit to me. It feels like the Twilight Zone. I can’t believe these 2 are our choices. In the end I think Biden will be less harmful than Trump so he’ll get my vote.

I imagine others think the same way then somehow bizarrely by November, Trump gets reelected. Happened in 2016, can happen again. I already have a deep resentment for NY Democrats.
 
a corpse would be more effective than Trump since at least it wouldn't get in the way of experts who actually knew what they were talking about

The worst case scenario with Biden is having some milquetoast but qualified neoliberal holdover from the Obama administration who appoints a whole bunch of other milquetoast neoliberal but qualified Obama holdovers and they end doing "regular" center-left government and political stuff which obviously will piss off everyone on the far left and the far right but ultimately keeps the wheels turning. At least in that scenario, you don't have to worry about some unqualified racist corrupt reality TV star who spends two hours of toilet time per day posting on twitter when he's not too busy destroying the country and the planet.
 
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