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[deleted171991]

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Interesting they don’t really talk about this in World History like they talk about the Holocaust.
Learned about this as an adult on my own. Certainly didn’t learn it in school.

Nobody studies the history of Belgium, and the Congo is only important to Marxists. 😉

There is no empire that wasn't built on the sweat and suffering of its colonies. Social Darwinism. Had the Germans won the war, nobody would talk about the Holocaust either. I wasn't taught about either of them.

 

[chocomorsel]

LOL, if only.


But what would actually help poor inner cities? Equitable distribution of education tax dollars within a state to the various cities (even if it means more charter schools- just distribute those geographically equally). Police reform. Robust social benefits for babies, pre-K. Paid family leave. Some kind of basic universal health care. Agriculture subsidies that make healthy food affordable, not just line big ag's pockets. Affordable housing too. Free public higher education or trade school since not every kid needs or wants a 4 yr degree. Increased tax breaks for small business entrepreneurs and prioritization of more minority loans. Etc.

You know. Stuff that helps people put their boots on before you yell at them to pull up on the straps.

The sad thing is, there are so many Americans that don’t want this. And would not vote for this.

 

[deleted171991]

The sad thing is, there are so many Americans that don’t want this. And would not vote for this.

Had this country been THAT socialist, it would look like Latin America, because the rich would still fill their pockets and the poor would pay even more taxes.

Before voting more entitlements, this country needs a bigger tax base, which means closing all those tax loopholes.

 

[vector2]

Latin America? I pretty much just described almost precisely the policies that exist in Denmark and Sweden, and some which also exist in other European countries. The benefit of those policies is inarguable....paying for them is the devil in the details.

 

[deleted171991]

Latin America? I pretty much just described almost precisely the policies that exist in Denmark and Sweden, and some which exist in other European countries. The benefit of those policies is inarguable....paying for them is the devil in the details.

My guess is that they set those systems up pretty early, before they had a ruling class like ours, where about 1% of the people own like 40% of the national wealth, and there is little respect for workers. That's more like Latin America.

Also, at least the Danes have a much more relaxed mentality about life (see Hygge) than us (or at least our crazy workaholics). There is a reason the European workweek is less than 40 hours.

They pay up to 55% in income taxes, plus they pay 25% VAT and up to 3.4% in land value taxes (that's Elizabeth Warren for ya).

A U.S. More Like Denmark? Be Careful What You Wish For - NYTimes.com

www.nytimes.com

 

[chocomorsel]

Had this country been THAT socialist, it would look like Latin America, because the rich would still fill their pockets and the poor would pay even more taxes.

Before voting more entitlements, this country needs a bigger tax base, which means closing all those tax loopholes.

If you are talking about the tax loopholes of the large co-operations, and the super wealthy, then yeah. I am all for that as well. They should pay just like the rest of us.

 

[deleted171991]

Sports bettors may be a driving force behind the stock market surge

With no live sports, they're looking for another thrill.

www.axios.com

 

[deleted171991]

If you are talking about the tax loopholes of the large co-operations, and the super wealthy, then yeah. I am all for that as well. They should pay just like the rest of us.

I want equality: no tax loopholes for ANYBODY, and a very simple individual income tax code.

I also want almost everybody to pay some taxes, not just half of the population. That sends the wrong message. That's why VAT is not a bad idea.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I consider it as inappropriate as someone plastering swastikas all over their car and then telling me it's cause they're a "World War II buff"

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These Appalachian “free spirits” though many of their families never directly owned slaves still yearn for the days when the poorest white man could still look down on the richest black man in town and call him “boy”. When you have nothing but your patch of dirt, at least you have someone else to look down on. Same way with a lot of homesteaders in the Deep South. Those are the good old days they’re looking back for.

 

[vector2]

Q.E.D

 

[deleted171991]

Q.E.D

What's Q here? That this woman was not smart enough to mind her own business, especially in today's racially-charged environment, especially since it was just some chalk?

Her version was that she "asked if the lived there because if he had said yes then everything would have been fine as it was his property. Being a good neighbor is important where everyone takes care of each other. It is too bad he took it in a different direction."

 

[vector2]

What's Q here? That this woman is dumb? A passive-aggressive busybody, who's not smart enough to mind her own business, especially in today's racially-charged environment, especially since it was just some chalk? Are you trying to generalize from this? Is this how you imagine white people to be?

Of course the Twitter mob doxxed her immediately. Disgusting people.

It’s not how I imagine some white people to be, it’s how unfortunately many actually are. You’re apparently incapable of understanding racism unless it’s presented to you in a big white hood, but try to understand that these kind of racist occurrences (are you sure you belong in this neighborhood, store, manager’s position?) are a dime a dozen for people of color. They didn’t come over to him to have a discussion- they came over with the already-formed verdict that they’d caught a black man committing a crime in a neighborhood where he didn’t belong. Unfortunately, the police have also been known to act with that same kind of false presumption, except they’re usually deadlier than the average obnoxious nosy Karen.

 

[vector2]

What's Q here? That this woman was not smart enough to mind her own business, especially in today's racially-charged environment, especially since it was just some chalk?

This was her version:

I guess good job continuing to doxx her?


But nice try from her attempting to explain her way out of it....except there’s video of her lying about knowing the owner


Unsurprisingly, some of the people she likes retweeting on her now deleted business acct

 

[deleted171991]

It’s not how I imagine some white people to be, it’s how unfortunately many actually are. You’re apparently incapable of understanding racism unless it’s presented to you in a big white hood, but try to understand that these kind of racist occurrences (are you sure you belong in this neighborhood, store, manager’s position?) are a dime a dozen for people of color. They didn’t come over to him to have a discussion- they came over with the already-formed verdict that they’d caught a black man committing a crime in a neighborhood where he didn’t belong. Unfortunately, the police have also been known to act with that same kind of false presumption, except they’re usually deadlier than the average obnoxious nosy Karen.

I'm sorry that your life experience has made you so thin-skinned. This kind of thing doesn't even register on my meter. It's like me being asked about my medical school, because I have an accent and a foreign name. That's a fair question from a patient, and so was possibly hers. Both can be interpreted as presumptuous microaggressions, too, depending on the point of view.

This video is like a Rorschach test. Tell me what you see here and I'll tell you who you are. 🙂

 

[Lawpy]

April’s Historic Economic Plunge Points to Steep Climb for the World Economy

Economic numbers coming in from around the globe are laying bare a stark truth amid the coronavirus pandemic: April was the cruelest month.

www.wsj.com

 

[deleted171991]

Unsurprisingly, some of the people she likes retweeting on her now deleted business acct

You didn't think she was a liberal, even before that, did you?

Btw, I would love if people "presumptuously" asked every street "artist" if they have permission to draw/paint on a property. That actually qualifies as civism.

 

[vector2]

I'm sorry that your life experience has made you so thin-skinned. This kind of thing doesn't even register on my meter. It's like me being asked about my medical school, because I have an accent and a foreign name. That's a fair question from a patient, and so was possibly hers. Both can be interpreted as presumptuous microaggressions, too, depending on the point of view.

This video is like a Rorschach test. Tell me what you see here and I'll tell you who you are. 🙂

It’s not about having thin skin- it’s about actually trying to understand someone else’s disadvantaged position without immediately having to analyze it based only on your own experiences or biases. So, if you think that video is analogous to a pt or colleague benignly asking where you’re from then I don’t know what to tell you. Pt’s and colleagues have asked me where I’m from just based on the color of my skin even though I sound just like them, but that in no way is anywhere close to the obscenity of that video. Karen lying about knowing the owner and then calling or threatening to call the police because she thinks someone who looks different than her is writing BLM on a piece of property he couldn’t possibly afford isn’t a micro aggression, it’s just straight (racist) aggression.

You didn't think she was a liberal, even before that, did you?

You ever met any limousine liberals from the upper east side of manhattan or other similarly posh neighborhoods? Property values and money >>>>>>>>>> social justice

 

[deleted171991]

It’s not about having thin skin- it’s about actually trying to understand someone else’s disadvantaged position without immediately having to analyze it based only on your own experiences or biases. So, if you think that video is analogous to a pt or colleague benignly asking where you’re from then I don’t know what to tell you. Pt’s and colleagues have asked me where I’m from just based on the color of my skin even though I sound just like them, but that in no way is anywhere close to the obscenity of that video. Karen calling or threatening to call the police because she thinks someone who looks different than her couldn’t possibly belong there isn’t a micro aggression, it’s just straight aggression.




You ever met any limousine liberals from the upper east side of manhattan or other similarly posh neighborhoods? Property values and money >>>>>>>>>> social justice

Let's assume it WAS his race, which was different from the typical property owner there (and not the fact that his beard looked unkempt, as in many of his Twitter photos). In which case, the question is legit, same as asking a white cracker who's drawing on a property in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood.

Now, even if this neighborhood was a diverse one, and she was presumptuous and racist, he could have just been polite and told her that it was his property, and that should have shut her up. That's what a smart person would have done, instead of filming her and playing macho man.

I am curious what his reaction would have been had she caught a stranger spray-painting his property, without his permission.

I may be playing the devil's advocate here, but I am not a big fan of how either side approached this conversation.

P.S. There is nothing benign or pleasant in constantly being asked where one is from. It's a microaggression by all woke rules; you should know that, comrade. 😛

 

[deleted171991]

You ever met any limousine liberals from the upper east side of manhattan or other similarly posh neighborhoods? Property values and money >>>>>>>>>> social justice

There is a reason I always ask people to put their money where their mouth is... or shut up.

 

[vector2]

Let's assume it WAS his race, which was different from the typical property owner there (and not the fact that his beard looked unkempt, as in many of his Twitter photos). In which case, the question is legit, same as asking a white cracker who's drawing on a property in an overwhelmingly black neighborhood.

It’s not legit and is racist in either case.

Now, even if this neighborhood was a diverse one, and she was presumptuous and racist, he could have just been polite and told her that it was his property. That's what a smart person would have done, instead of filming her and making a fuss.

When most people describe how they think persons of color should act “smart,” too often what they really mean is “deferential” or “obsequious,” and usually moreso than they themselves would act. For instance, it’s always on the black person who gets racially profiled and pulled over to act extraaaa docile and subservient because they wouldn’t want to give any excuse for the cop to act on his false presumption. Great example of implicit bias.

I am curious what his reaction would have been if she had caught a stranger spray-painting his property without permission.

I’m more interested in what’s actually happened in real life rather than thought experiments that try to excuse Karen’s behavior

 

[deleted171991]

When most people describe how they think persons of color should act “smart,” too often what they really mean is “deferential” or “obsequious,” and usually moreso than they themselves would act. For instance, it’s always on the black person who gets racially profiled and pulled over to act extraaaa docile and subservient because they wouldn’t want to give any excuse for the cop to act on his false presumption. Great example of implicit bias.

It would have been smart for ANY person, not just a person of color. I would have answered the question honestly, had she asked me. One should avoid conflict whenever it's easy and cheap.

Dude, you sound like the last person who should accuse others of bias. Every post here drips of bias and prejudice. To quote a classic we both admire: Very sad!

 

[Stank811]

This thread hasn't been on topic for about 3500 posts; it has even gotten a name change at some point. There is a dedicated Covid-19 clinical thread.

I agree. So per SDN policy close it or move it to appropriate forum. Thanks

 

[vector2]

It would have been smart for ANY person, not just a person of color. I would have answered the question honestly, had she asked me. One should avoid conflict whenever it's easy and cheap.

Dude, you sound like the last person who should accuse others of bias. Every post here drips of bias and prejudice. To quote a classic we both admire: Very sad!

Again, what's "smart" or what you think you would've done in his shoes does not always make that the "right" thing to do. I do question how deferential you would've been considering you take slight at hospital custodians not treating you as a physician in the hallway- let alone some obnoxious couple having the gall to question you outside your own home. 🙂

I am biased. But I acknowledge as such, learn from the people these issues directly affect, and try to work on it. I mentioned it there because we have both had the experience where someone asked us either benignly/pointlessly/ignorantly "where are you from?" - and yet you used your personal experience with that to marginalize this man's experience by saying if you can get over your microaggression, he should just get over this overt aggression too. That's the kind of bias I'm talking about.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

This "shade over 1/3rd" argument is totally ridiculous and I don't know why people keep making it instead of just leaving it at the historical fact that the Nazis were pretty popular.

So why is the 1/3rd argument ridiculous? Take a guess at how many times the Imperial Reichstag between 1871 to 1919 had a one-party majority. Take another guess at how many times the Weimar Reichstag had a one-party majority between 1919 and 1933? It's a big. fat. zero.

Popularity only means something within the local, state, or national context. Was there zero opposition to the Nazis? Of course not. Did they have coalition building problems just like literally every other Reichstag of the 20s and 30s? Sure. But by any reasonable measure of how the numbers looked, the Nazis did well during their initial rise in the last free and fair elections of the Weimar.

Arguing otherwise is somewhat analogous to claiming that Reagan's 1980 489 EV victory wasn't a landslide or that he wasnt massively popular because he "only" got 50% of the vote and the Dems still ended up holding the House.

If you're going to use vague terms like "pretty popular", then there's no way to actually argue against it. The fact remains however, the the Nazi's, even when broken down by region, only managed 50% of the popular vote in any area one time, and that fell by a solid 10% in the next election (which is coincidentally the last free one) whereas another party managed to do that on multiple occasions (The Central Party in 1919, 1920, 1924, and 1928)

As for Reagan, you have to look at percentages. He's the only President in my lifetime (I'm right on the gen-X/millenial border) who has beaten his opponent by 10% or more in the popular vote.

If you want to make that comparison, you have to look at what the other German parties were doing. The Social Democrats, the leading party from 1919 until 1932), was always in the 20% range with a low of 20.5% in 1924 and a high of 29.8% in 1928 with most of the time spent in the 24% range. The next two major ones (the Centre and Communists) both also stayed pretty steady at 11-13% and 10-13% respectively. Contrast that with the Democrats around Reagan. Carter had 50% in 1976 but fell to 41% in 1980 with Mondale having a similar performance.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Again, what's "smart" or what you think you would've done in his shoes does not always make that the "right" thing to do. I do question how deferential you would've been considering you take slight at hospital custodians not treating you as a physician in the hallway- let alone some obnoxious couple having the gall to question you outside your own home. 🙂

I am biased. But I acknowledge as such, learn from the people these issues directly affect, and try to work on it. I mentioned it there because we have both had the experience where someone asked us either benignly/pointlessly/ignorantly "where are you from?" - and yet you used your personal experience with that to marginalize this man's experience by saying if you can get over your microaggression, he should just get over this overt aggression too. That's the kind of bias I'm talking about.

If you don't mind me prying a bit, is there a good way to ask about this in people with accents? In my case its equal parts genuine curiosity in people's backgrounds and often trying to make a connection - if its somewhere I've traveled to, have family from, stuff like that.

 

[vector2]

If you're going to use vague terms like "pretty popular", then there's no way to actually argue against it. The fact remains however, the the Nazi's, even when broken down by region, only managed 50% of the popular vote in any area one time, and that fell by a solid 10% in the next election (which is coincidentally the last free one) whereas another party managed to do that on multiple occasions (The Central Party in 1919, 1920, 1924, and 1928)

As for Reagan, you have to look at percentages. He's the only President in my lifetime (I'm right on the gen-X/millenial border) who has beaten his opponent by 10% or more in the popular vote.

If you want to make that comparison, you have to look at what the other German parties were doing. The Social Democrats, the leading party from 1919 until 1932), was always in the 20% range with a low of 20.5% in 1924 and a high of 29.8% in 1928 with most of the time spent in the 24% range. The next two major ones (the Centre and Communists) both also stayed pretty steady at 11-13% and 10-13% respectively. Contrast that with the Democrats around Reagan. Carter had 50% in 1976 but fell to 41% in 1980 with Mondale having a similar performance.

See, this is what I don't get...you acknowledge that the SPD, which was the most popular party, couldn't even break 30% (except for the inaugural Weimar Reichstag elections) throughout the entire 20s, and after a decade not doing so the Nazis come in with what is a relatively staggering 37% in July '32.... but we don't get to say that they're popular?

Furthermore, after the solidification of power, how do we go about assessing Hitler and the Nazis' popularity to strengthen or refute my claim that they were massively popular among the German people? It's silly to claim that literally all dictators are unpopular just because the polls are rigged, because many, like Hiter, have populist agendas that actually benefit a large number of the population. I think it's well-established academically that 1. Hitler was opposed to austerity and was economically beneficial for Germany since his election coincided with a post-Depression economic expansion, 2. The German people were ready to embrace an ideology of extreme nationalistic pride and solidarity after the decade and a half of humiliation and turmoil they suffered post-WWI and during the Weimar.

Unfortunately it's not like we can look at an accurate 1940 German Gallup poll, but what do academics or contemporaneous accounts say?

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  Long before the Nazi regime committed its singular crimes, it had become remarkably popular in Germany (Evans 2006). Voting records from 1933 and 1934 reveal the effect of one factor that, according to many historians, boosted support for the regime – the building of the Autobahn. Using detailed information on the geography of road-building, we isolate the effect of construction on voting behaviour by analysing the ‘swing’ in favour of the regime over a nine-month period (November 1933 to August 1934). We find that opposition declined much faster where the new ‘roads of the Führer’ ran.
  
  Direct economic benefits for residents in Autobahn districts may have played a role, but they were probably small. More importantly, the new roads provided concrete proof of the regime’s actions, delivering on its promise to get ‘Germany moving again’. Within a couple of months of taking power, a highly ambitious highway construction project was under way at 17 different locations all over the country, affecting more than 100 electoral districts. In other words, the visible progress of road construction made the regime’s ability to follow through on its promises salient for many Germans.
  
  Combined with effective propaganda trumpeting the regime’s successes, the roads succeeded in winning the hearts and minds of many Germans. Nor were they the only ones to be impressed. When the US Army rolled into Germany at the end of World War II, one of the officers taken with the ease of transport on motorways was Dwight D. Eisenhower. When he became President of the United States, he lead the initiative to built the country’s interstate highway system.
  
  

  Nazi pork and popularity: How Hitler’s roads won German hearts and minds

  The Hitler government built the world’s first nationwide motorway network. We examine the impact of road-building on the popularity of the Nazi regime. Using shifts in electoral support between 1933 and 1934, we conclude that ‘pork-barrel’ spending worked in reducing opposition to the regime –...

  voxeu.org

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  A well-respected German historian has a radical new theory to explain a nagging question: Why did average Germans so heartily support the Nazis and Third Reich? Hitler, says Goetz Aly, was a "feel good dictator," a leader who not only made Germans feel important, but also made sure they were well cared-for by the state.
  
  To do so, he gave them huge tax breaks and introduced social benefits that even today anchor the society. He also ensured that even in the last days of the war not a single German went hungry. Despite near-constant warfare, never once during his 12 years in power did Hitler raise taxes for working class people. He also — in great contrast to World War I — particularly pampered soldiers and their families, offering them more than double the salaries and benefits that American and British families received. As such, most Germans saw Nazism as a "warm-hearted" protector, says Aly, author of the new book "Hitler’s People’s State: Robbery, Racial War and National Socialism" [TC: I cannot find it on U.S. Amazon, try this German link] and currently a guest lecturer at the University of Frankfurt. They were only too happy to overlook the Third Reich’s unsavory, murderous side.
  
  Financing such home front "happiness" was not simple and Hitler essentially achieved it by robbing and murdering others, Aly claims. Jews. Slave laborers. Conquered lands. All offered tremendous opportunities for plunder, and the Nazis exploited it fully, he says.
  
  
  

  Why did so many Germans support Hitler? - Marginal REVOLUTION

  A well-respected German historian has a radical new theory to explain a nagging question: Why did average Germans so heartily support the Nazis and Third Reich? Hitler, says Goetz Aly, was a "feel good dictator," a leader who not only made Germans feel important, but also made sure they were...

  marginalrevolution.com

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  Though I was back briefly in Germany in 1945 after the war's end, I never heard that the United States ''officially'' refused to distinguish between ''Germans'' and ''Nazis.'' If it did, it was certainly correct.
  
  I do not know who is included in Mr. Schoenbaum's ''we'' - the ones who soon ''caught on'' that it was ''nonsense'' not to distinguish between ''Germans'' and ''Nazis.'' Being in Berlin during most of that time, I'm afraid I never caught on. My impression was that the overwhelming majority of Germans heartily approved Hitler and what he was doing. This was shown in one election and plebiscite after another and in the way Germans threw themselves into working for the greater glory of the Third Reich. One saw it almost daily in the German people's adulation of their F"uhrer, diabolical as he seemed to many of us non-Germans. To most Germans he appeared a savior. Mr. Schoenbaum seems to think that V-E Day, the 40th anniversary of which we will be celebrating on May 8, was for the Germans a liberation and ''a new beginning'' and therefore ''a ground'' for them now to join us in a ''common celebration'' of the day.
  
  A liberation it certainly was for the Germans (as it was for everyone else in bombed-out Europe) from the agonies of war. But quite understandably, the Germans were bitter at their defeat, the second their country had suffered in less than 30 years. I did not get the impression from talking with them that they were grateful to their conquerors to be liberated from Hitler's dictatorial rule.
  
  
  

  Opinion | Few in World War II Germany Disapproved of Nazism (Published 1985)

  www.nytimes.com

If you have material to read which contests the notion and/or provides evidence that he didn't enjoy massive popular support, or that there were large pockets of resistance and not just the sporadic pockets of resistance from "outsiders" like socialists, communists, Jews, some religious groups etc, please share it.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Easy:
Amazon.com › Third-Reich-Power-...
The Third Reich in Power (The History of the Third Reich): Evans, Richard J ...

It's the second in a 3 book series. It's a bit dense, but a great read. Each book also works well as a standalone if you only want to read some of it.

 

[vector2]

If you don't mind me prying a bit, is there a good way to ask about this in people with accents? In my case its equal parts genuine curiosity in people's backgrounds and often trying to make a connection - if its somewhere I've traveled to, have family from, stuff like that.

I don't have an accent so I'm not really sure. People just ask me where I'm from cause I'm brown and my name is different. It doesn't really offend me because I do think most people are just genuinely curious, and even if I were like @FFP and were white with an accent I still don't think it would offend me that much. I can only speculate that I think FFP is offended because he's the kind of immigrant who genuinely believes in strong assimilation and makes an earnest attempt to do so, and therefore every time someone asks him that question it's a reminder of undeserved "otherness."

 

[deleted697535]

So anyway...

Plenty of countries are showing their highest numbers of Cases ever in the last 48 hours incl India, Pakistan, Chile, Mexico, Saudi, Brazil 33k 3 days ago
Even the US had yere highest number of cases 27k since May 21st.

This thing looks fvcked. Out of control. All over again. If was ever even under control which it probably wasnt. It will destroy world economy or will it?

 

[chocomorsel]

So anyway...

Plenty of countries are showing their highest numbers of Cases ever in the last 48 hours incl India, Pakistan, Chile, Mexico, Saudi, Brazil 33k 3 days ago
Even the US had yere highest number of cases 27k since May 21st.

This thing looks fvcked. Out of control. All over again. If was ever even under control which it probably wasnt. It will destroy world economy or will it?

It already is. Have you heard, Stock Market is crashing again. I try not to look anymore. Good thing I don't have a lot of money.
How is it over in the UK? Numbers going up? In Texas we are peaking every single day. I hear that we may be going back to Lockdown.

 

[vector2]

Easy:
Amazon.com › Third-Reich-Power-...
The Third Reich in Power (The History of the Third Reich): Evans, Richard J ...

It's the second in a 3 book series. It's a bit dense, but a great read. Each book also works well as a standalone if you only want to read some of it.

Heh, this book is the citation listed in my post in the first source about the Autobahn for the line of how the Nazis were remarkably popular in Germany before their singular crimes. But it appears from the reviews of the book that Evans tries to add some nuance to the idea of the Nazis popularity by using primary sources from contemporaneous accounts that state that outward displays of adoration and compliance from the photographs of large swaths of Sieg-Heil'ers do not tell the whole story, and indeed I'm sure he's absolutely right that there were many with private concerns who couldn't voice them.

I found this paper by him which I assume probably contains much of his thesis. At the start, I found the following quote interesting:

I haven't read his book or finished reading this so his argument may very well be compelling, but you'd agree that his views about Nazi ideology and popular acceptance are a bit contrarian and outside of the mainstream academic consensus?

 

[Angus Avagadro]

So anyway...

Plenty of countries are showing their highest numbers of Cases ever in the last 48 hours incl India, Pakistan, Chile, Mexico, Saudi, Brazil 33k 3 days ago
Even the US had yere highest number of cases 27k since May 21st.

This thing looks fvcked. Out of control. All over again. If was ever even under control which it probably wasnt. It will destroy world economy or will it?

I think some of the spike in cases are just that. More new cases diagnosed due to more and better, faster testing. I dont think it has translated to an onslaught of hospital admissions and exhausted ICU capacity..yet. Time will tell.
Anyone on the forum have any experience with Ecmo and Covid patients? China has some experience and doesnt look promising.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Heh, this book is the citation listed in my post in the first source about the Autobahn for the line of how the Nazis were remarkably popular in Germany before their singular crimes. But it appears from the reviews of the book that Evans tries to add some nuance to the idea of the Nazis popularity by using primary sources from contemporaneous accounts that state that outward displays of adoration and compliance from the photographs of large swaths of Sieg-Heil'ers do not tell the whole story, and indeed I'm sure he's absolutely right that there were many with private concerns who couldn't voice them.

I found this paper by him which I assume probably contains much of his thesis. At the start, I found the following quote interesting:

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I haven't read his book or finished reading this so his argument may very well be compelling, but you'd agree that his views about Nazi ideology and popular acceptance are a bit contrarian and outside of the mainstream academic consensus?

That's actually one of the reasons I went with his history over, say, Shirer's (although I do enjoy his first person accounting of much of it is nice he was there) to start with.

I can't claim to know what most historians believe, but his work is pretty convincing.

 

[deleted87051]

I think some of the spike in cases are just that. More new cases diagnosed due to more and better, faster testing. I dont think it has translated to an onslaught of hospital admissions and exhausted ICU capacity..yet. Time will tell.
Anyone on the forum have any experience with Ecmo and Covid patients? China has some experience and doesnt look promising.

There’s currently a lot of load balancing of ICU beds in my region so no one hospital becomes overwhelmed. So far none of the hospitals have implemented surge plans. If it weren’t for intra-system transfers, 2 of our local hospitals would be overwhelmed. I personally know one person in their 30s who was on ecmo for 4 weeks, decannulated, and is now in a nursing home.

 

[chocomorsel]

There’s currently a lot of load balancing of ICU beds in my region so no one hospital becomes overwhelmed. So far none of the hospitals have implemented surge plans. If it weren’t for intra-system transfers, 2 of our local hospitals would be overwhelmed. I personally know one person in their 30s who was on ecmo for 4 weeks, decannulated, and is now in a nursing home.

How is this person's brain? I had a patient that got turned down for ECMO and she died after I left NY.
At the time that she got turned down though, she wasn't too severe, but after I left, she likely missed that window of early ECMO placement. She was late 30's post partum. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hoped they would have accepted her for ECMO in that first week post intubation..

 

[deleted87051]

How is this person's brain? I had a patient that got turned down for ECMO and she died after I left NY.
At the time that she got turned down though, she wasn't too severe, but after I left, she likely missed that window of early ECMO placement. She was late 30's post partum. Hindsight is 20/20 but I hoped they would have accepted her for ECMO in that first week post intubation..

He’s someone who worked at my hospital before he got sick. I don’t know about his current brain status.

 

[Lawpy]

Can someone tell me how democrat measures of abolishing the police and creating police free zones work in the context of gun control policies?

If someone got robbed at a police free zone, how can they defend themselves?

 

[SXMMD]

Can someone tell me how democrat measures of abolishing the police and creating police free zones work in the context of gun control policies?

If someone got robbed at a police free zone, how can they defend themselves?

Mortaaaal kommbaaaaat

 

[deleted697535]

Can someone tell me how democrat measures of abolishing the police and creating police free zones work in the context of gun control policies?

If someone got robbed at a police free zone, how can they defend themselves?

Can you take this stuff to another thread or anywhere else? This is a Covid thread, not police, BLM or nazi-ism or anything that isnt covid related. Sorry for the abruptness but it is very annoying to come on here and have a good thread on covid derailed by other issues so so often

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Can you take this stuff to another thread or anywhere else? This is a Covid thread, not police, BLM or nazi-ism or anything that isnt covid related. Sorry for the abruptness but it is very annoying to come on here and have a good thread on covid derailed by other issues so so often

Dude. Chill.

 

[chocomorsel]

Can you take this stuff to another thread or anywhere else? This is a Covid thread, not police, BLM or nazi-ism or anything that isnt covid related. Sorry for the abruptness but it is very annoying to come on here and have a good thread on covid derailed by other issues so so often

There are other Covid threads. In the ICU section and other forums. The moderators have thus far declined to move it, so let’s keep it moving.

 

[Lawpy]

Can you take this stuff to another thread or anywhere else? This is a Covid thread, not police, BLM or nazi-ism or anything that isnt covid related. Sorry for the abruptness but it is very annoying to come on here and have a good thread on covid derailed by other issues so so often

This is based on earlier discussion on the topic, so direct your frustrations to somewhere else. There's a separate clinical covid thread

 

[deleted697535]

Dude. Chill.

Well I thought I was being very chill. I even apologized! Ok fair enough if you want to talk about 100% nonCovid stuff in "the ultimate covid" thread.

 

[vector2]

Well I thought I was being very chill. I even apologized! Ok fair enough if you want to talk about 100% nonCovid stuff in "the ultimate covid" thread.

The title is just a suggestion. Like NPO guidelines in the emergency department.

 

[deleted171991]

Andrew Sullivan is back, yay!

Andrew Sullivan: Is There Still Room for Debate?

America is in a revolutionary moment. Being able to question ideology is more important than ever.

nymag.com

"The crudeness and certainty of this analysis is quite something. It’s an obvious rebuke to Barack Obama’s story of America as an imperfect but inspiring work-in-progress, gradually including everyone in opportunity, and binding races together, rather than polarizing them. In fact, there is more dogmatism in this ideology than in most of contemporary American Catholicism. And more intolerance. Question any significant part of this, and your moral integrity as a human being is called into question. There is little or no liberal space in this revolutionary movement for genuine, respectful disagreement, regardless of one’s identity, or even open-minded exploration. In fact, there is an increasingly ferocious campaign to quell dissent, to chill debate, to purge those who ask questions, and to ruin people for their refusal to swallow this reductionist ideology whole."

"In this manic, Manichean world you’re not even given the space to say nothing. “White Silence = Violence” is a slogan chanted and displayed in every one of these marches. It’s very reminiscent of totalitarian states where you have to compete to broadcast your fealty to the cause. In these past two weeks, if you didn’t put up on Instagram or Facebook some kind of slogan or symbol displaying your wokeness, you were instantly suspect. The cultishness of this can be seen in the way people are actually cutting off contact with their own families if they don’t awaken and see the truth and repeat its formulae. Ibram X. Kendi insists that there is no room in our society for neutrality or reticence. If you are not doing “antiracist work” you are ipso facto a racist. By “antiracist work” he means fully accepting his version of human society and American history, integrating it into your own life, confessing your own racism, and publicly voicing your continued support."

"If you argue that you believe that much of this ideology is postmodern gobbledygook, you are guilty of “white fragility.” If you say you are not fragile, and merely disagree, this is proof you are fragile. It is the same circular argument that was once used to burn witches. And it has the same religious undertones. To be woke is to wake up to the truth — the blinding truth that liberal society doesn’t exist, that everything is a form of oppression or resistance, and that there is no third option. You are either with us or you are to be cast into darkness."

"We have co-workers eager to weaponize their ideology to purge the workforce. We have employers demanding our attendance at seminars and workshops to teach this ideology. We have journalists (of all people) poring through other writers’ work or records to get them in trouble, demoted, or fired. We have faculty members at colleges signing petitions to rid their departments of those few left not fully onboard. We have human-resources departments that have adopted this ideology whole and are imposing it as a condition for employment. And, critically, we have a Twitter mob to hound people into submission.

Liberalism is not just a set of rules. There’s a spirit to it. A spirit that believes that there are whole spheres of human life that lie beyond ideology — friendship, art, love, sex, scholarship, family. A spirit that seeks not to impose orthodoxy but to open up the possibilities of the human mind and soul. A spirit that seeks moral clarity but understands that this is very hard, that life and history are complex, and it is this complexity that a truly liberal society seeks to understand if it wants to advance. It is a spirit that deals with an argument — and not a person — and that counters that argument with logic, not abuse. It’s a spirit that allows for various ideas to clash and evolve, and treats citizens as equal, regardless of their race, rather than insisting on equity for designated racial groups. It’s a spirit that delights sometimes in being wrong because it offers an opportunity to figure out what’s right. And it’s generous, humorous, and graceful in its love of argument and debate. It gives you space to think and reflect and deliberate. Twitter, of course, is the antithesis of all this — and its mercy-free, moblike qualities when combined with a moral panic are, quite frankly, terrifying."

So true. Postmodernism is the same type of witch hunt as McCarthyism, Stalinism, Maoism.

 

[deleted171991]

Calls to remove 'racist' Gandhi statue in Leicester

A petition accuses the man who fought for Indian independence of being fascist and racist.

www.bbc.com

Q.E.D.

 

[deleted87051]

Well I thought I was being very chill. I even apologized! Ok fair enough if you want to talk about 100% nonCovid stuff in "the ultimate covid" thread.

Maybe this one should just be renamed “the ultimate thread” or “the ultimate collective train of consciousness thread”

 

[vector2]

Just a friendly reminder before anyone starts nodding their head in concordance with Andrew Sullivan's sanctimoniousness drivel, he is the same guy who when editor of The New Republic thought it would be a great idea to publish a lengthy excerpt from The Bell Curve, the book in which the main argument is that black people have lower median IQ scores in part because they're genetically inferior.

 

[deleted171991]

More rational thoughts from Brown University professor Glenn Loury:

Racism Is An Empty Thesis

An African-American professor says that blacks hold their fate in their own hands.

www.city-journal.org

 

[Twiggidy]

The title is just a suggestion. Like NPO guidelines in the emergency department.

I chuckled