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ISOed Dina and found a couple quotes that pinged me a little bit.

I mentioned before that sloth is my strongest wolf read right now, and defense of sloth then automatically makes me question the person who is defending them.

This was bizarre reasoning that really didn't age well given genny's flip.

That it does.

This doesn't read as particularly wolfy, necessarily, but it's just echoing the list that others had already said. Not really contributing to wolf hunting, just riding on what others have said.

Re: sloth, I could potentially go there as a vote today with the genny flip, but I have to look into it more.

Re: everything else well I knew if genny flipped wolf that I'd likely be up to be yeeted next. This is all WIFOM but I'mma say it anyways - wolf!Dina would have never put a vote down 10 minutes before close on a villager when one more person would have tied it (and we all saw what happens when kd games tie) and getting two more people in 10 minutes when almost all votes were down was impossible. It's risky and opens me up to be looked at today.

Anyways, I'm going to go through my POE and do some ISOing. I think there was at least one more wolf there besides genny so I'm going to start there.
 
Would genny have tried to last minute vote on April (packmate) to try to keep herself alive? I mean it didn’t work but it’s one thought.

It would have to be very extreme circumstances. If you remember what happened last game with ties it could have brought both genny and april down if it tied and I doubt genny would have risked it. Just another reason I feel pretty good as filing april as village.
 
Ace doesn't actually have that many posts to go over yet. I think it's kind of odd that he's been pushing April as hard as he has the entire time just based on a gut feeling. Some of what he says is, I think, typical noob - I'll address some of the relevant quotes below - but he's been very stuck on her for the entire game and it's starting to give me kind of a strange feeling.

Yeet April
I thought this was a joke vote initially, much like how Zenge's first post on the board was to say to yeet me, and didn't put much stock behind it.
That being said I am not joking when I said April is likely a wolf.
Strong statements like this without any justification/explanation make me twitch a little.

These next 2 posts are, I think, more like noob not understanding the 36 hour cycle. It doesn't ping me when someone gets a yeet vote early in the cycle and doesn't panic - a lot can change in 36 hours.
The initial feeling is based on my gut, her responses seem a bit bland to her accusations without much of a defense. She seems rather scripted but you all would likely know better than I having only just joined... her defense for shorty also seems suspicious to me, but again having not played in previous games I am unsure if they influenced this choice.
I thought this was a little bit of a strange comment to make since all April had said was that I just wanted to live past D1, which was a reference to my D1 misyeet of last game, but again, noob with no context, meh.
For someone in jeopardy she seems rather passive and non-descript

Then Ace started pushing this Zenge narrative, which I thought was interesting given how hard Zenge was going after genny yesterday (and now knowing the end result of that). Zenge is one of my stronger village reads at this point based on that performance yesterday, although he was wrong on his AM read that he posted this morning.
Current list of my personal suspicions that may be proven wrong:
April
Shorty
Zenge

Not sure about rest yet, still working on my reasons for suspicions. Will post them soon...

Currently also susing zenge based on how he is wording his posts, more specifically seems like he's trying to play it safe and play the neutral arbitrary that makes people point at others and not at him.

Neutrality example:

I know this is an earlier post, but this is the neutrality and pointing directions I am referring to. Just seems suspicious to me, not enough of a guarantee for me to condemn yet obviously... but enough of a feeling to pique my suspicion

I can't help but to still trust in my feelings that April is a wolf. Part of me wants to think its because I haven't played as much with this group that I am not mislead by previous interractions.
At this point, I started feeling like there was a lot of pushing April forward and really not a lot of justification. I think she's been actively wolf hunting throughout the thread, and Ace keeps going after her but with relatively unsubstantiated arguments. I have had a neutral/weak village read on her and that's why I want to ISO her next.
Hmm, April still looking suspicious now. Especially with AM gone...🤔
Can you expand on this more? Why specifically does AM's death ping April to you, rather than anyone else in the group?
 
Also at the same point WildZoo also said a similar thought based on your earlier interractions with Dina as seen here...
I'm trying to follow your logic. You're saying that I killed AM and WZ because they were sussing me. I can understand your point about AM, because she was pretty actively going after me yesterday, but WZ? She didn't vote for me, and only said she had a minor twinge about things I said. By your logic, why wouldn't I have gone after one of the other people who were trying to yeet me, like Dina, Alley, or you?
 
I heard we were doing salt votes 🤔

Yeet April

I’m working on getting caught up, but I don’t plan on keeping my vote on April. I’m still a few pages behind, but I am agreeing with the points being brought up regarding Genny, Sloth, and Vis.

Subtle agreement with genny, says she doesn't plan on keeping her vote on April but ended up staying on it the entire time

I'm spending my wild Friday night watching more anatomy videos and rewarding myself after each video with some WW.

Just finished page 2 and here are my thoughts:

April's tone has changed. Not sure if it is because of wolfiness leftover from last game, or what, but I also am not a huge fan of her post regarding Dina.

Just like Sunny and Dubz, that Vis post gave me ~weird vibes~. Not sure how I feel about her defending Dina. Seems pretty obvious if they're in a pack together though.

I'm honestly not sure why Cray was so focused on sloth's post, but I appreciate it since sloth is voting for me. Also, I hope you're doing okay after surgery, Cray.

Need to pull up my spreadsheet and put these odd interactions in it so I can reference later.

so far, cray sounds fine, dubz sounds like she's excited about her role which makes me worry about 3P, and i'm wondering why kras and AM haven't had a fight yet.

These are all very good points

More agreement with genny

While I recognize this and agree that I may still be harboring some resentment, your tone seems different this game from the previous games we played together. So that’s why I have kept my vote where it is.

Alley's reasoning for voting april and staying on april is that her tone seems different this game, which I thought was strange because she wolfed last game so shouldn't her tone be different this game if she's village?
 
I'm trying to follow your logic. You're saying that I killed AM and WZ because they were sussing me. I can understand your point about AM, because she was pretty actively going after me yesterday, but WZ? She didn't vote for me, and only said she had a minor twinge about things I said. By your logic, why wouldn't I have gone after one of the other people who were trying to yeet me, like Dina, Alley, or you?
I don't think killing WildZoo was entirely your choice, however based on her suspicion of you I think you were not opposed to the decision of removing another person who could have been catching onto you
 
I don't think killing WildZoo was entirely your choice, however based on her suspicion of you I think you were not opposed to the decision of removing another person who could have been catching onto you
But again, what about the others? What do you think of them? What do you think about me yeeting Genny?
 
Alley's reasoning for voting april and staying on april is that her tone seems different this game, which I thought was strange because she wolfed last game so shouldn't her tone be different this game if she's village?
From playing with Alley a few times now, I thought her tones were pretty similar when she’s been wolf and village.
 
I think Ace gets very hung up on relatively small interactions across the scope of the thread. I can't decide if I think that's just a noob move or if it's intentional misdirection.
I would agree with you had i not suspected you and her to be partners in this situation. Being as I am also suspecting you, your defense of April further fuels my suspicion that you are actually working together 🤔
 
I would agree with you had i not suspected you and her to be partners in this situation. Being as I am also suspecting you, your defense of April further fuels my suspicion that you are actually working together 🤔
I'd still like to know why you're sussing Shorty because the last answer I got was that I "defended" her which was me just saying she would appreciate living past D1 after the last game
 
Ace doesn't actually have that many posts to go over yet. I think it's kind of odd that he's been pushing April as hard as he has the entire time just based on a gut feeling. Some of what he says is, I think, typical noob - I'll address some of the relevant quotes below - but he's been very stuck on her for the entire game and it's starting to give me kind of a strange feeling.


I thought this was a joke vote initially, much like how Zenge's first post on the board was to say to yeet me, and didn't put much stock behind it.

Strong statements like this without any justification/explanation make me twitch a little.

These next 2 posts are, I think, more like noob not understanding the 36 hour cycle. It doesn't ping me when someone gets a yeet vote early in the cycle and doesn't panic - a lot can change in 36 hours.

I thought this was a little bit of a strange comment to make since all April had said was that I just wanted to live past D1, which was a reference to my D1 misyeet of last game, but again, noob with no context, meh.


Then Ace started pushing this Zenge narrative, which I thought was interesting given how hard Zenge was going after genny yesterday (and now knowing the end result of that). Zenge is one of my stronger village reads at this point based on that performance yesterday, although he was wrong on his AM read that he posted this morning.







At this point, I started feeling like there was a lot of pushing April forward and really not a lot of justification. I think she's been actively wolf hunting throughout the thread, and Ace keeps going after her but with relatively unsubstantiated arguments. I have had a neutral/weak village read on her and that's why I want to ISO her next.

Can you expand on this more? Why specifically does AM's death ping April to you, rather than anyone else in the group?
Quite a long response for a defense of someone who previously tried to defend you as well. My suspicions are based on general feeling between the interractions of AM and April. I think WildZoo being killed was just icing on the cake.
 
Quite a long response for a defense of someone who previously tried to defend you as well. My suspicions are based on general feeling between the interractions of AM and April. I think WildZoo being killed was just icing on the cake.
Part of the game is building a village block and arguing to defend the people you believe are village. Defending others does not automatically imply wolf kinship.
 
Part of the game is building a village block and arguing to defend the people you believe are village. Defending others does not automatically imply wolf kinship.
To go to such lengths seems strange to me. It could be due to this being my first game but I can't help but feel this is a bit more than just defending another villager. Especially when other people also questioned April's motives enough to almost yeet her yesterday.
 
It's interesting to me that Ace is taking my ISOing him as defending April, especially since it's not the first ISO I've posted today. And given that I spent a big chunk of yesterday rather aggressively going after sloth.

Working on April's ISO right now, for the record.
 
So with the AM flip that leaves ace and alley on the april vote yesterday. I'm going to

yeet alley

Could go with sloth and possibly kras too. Kinda interesting that the both of them were on the dubz vote together. Going to iso sloth next I think.
 
To go to such lengths seems strange to me. It could be due to this being my first game but I can't help but feel this is a bit more than just defending another villager. Especially when other people also questioned April's motives enough to almost yeet her yesterday.
If you haven't noticed, Shorty's entire post was about you. She made one comment on the end of why she is inclined to neutral/village read me. The rest was picking apart your argument. Also, I still want to hear why you think, APART from my involvement, why shorty is sus to you.
Ace doesn't actually have that many posts to go over yet. I think it's kind of odd that he's been pushing April as hard as he has the entire time just based on a gut feeling. Some of what he says is, I think, typical noob - I'll address some of the relevant quotes below - but he's been very stuck on her for the entire game and it's starting to give me kind of a strange feeling.

I thought this was a joke vote initially, much like how Zenge's first post on the board was to say to yeet me, and didn't put much stock behind it.

Strong statements like this without any justification/explanation make me twitch a little.

These next 2 posts are, I think, more like noob not understanding the 36 hour cycle. It doesn't ping me when someone gets a yeet vote early in the cycle and doesn't panic - a lot can change in 36 hours.

I thought this was a little bit of a strange comment to make since all April had said was that I just wanted to live past D1, which was a reference to my D1 misyeet of last game, but again, noob with no context, meh.

Then Ace started pushing this Zenge narrative, which I thought was interesting given how hard Zenge was going after genny yesterday (and now knowing the end result of that). Zenge is one of my stronger village reads at this point based on that performance yesterday, although he was wrong on his AM read that he posted this morning.

At this point, I started feeling like there was a lot of pushing April forward and really not a lot of justification. I think she's been actively wolf hunting throughout the thread, and Ace keeps going after her but with relatively unsubstantiated arguments. I have had a neutral/weak village read on her and that's why I want to ISO her next.

Can you expand on this more? Why specifically does AM's death ping April to you, rather than anyone else in the group?
 
Even with all that Ace has said, I'm inclined to think he's just a really nooby villager who isn't paying close attention. I think if he was a wolf the rest of the pack would have told him to shut up and say something more sensical instead. I guess there's the possibility that they've given up on him and will let him be bait, lol, but after losing one of the pack already, I don't think they would take that risk
 
It's interesting to me that Ace is taking my ISOing him as defending April, especially since it's not the first ISO I've posted today. And given that I spent a big chunk of yesterday rather aggressively going after sloth.

Working on April's ISO right now, for the record.
Interested to see what you come up with for April. I mean no offense regarding my comments, purely that I suspect you and her are in collusion with one another. After developing this mindset its difficult to try and look past it.
 
@Acehunter123

Last night there was a “Sloth is sus” sentiment bubbling up.

I asked Genny why she was trying to get the “Vis is Sus” train rolling again as a means of self prez, instead of the more effervescent “Sloth is sus” sentiment that was present at the time, and persistent now, to which she replied:
I don't find sloth particularly wolfy. I'll go there if I have to, but there's plenty of time for people to come to their senses.
Given that Genny has now been confirmed wolf, how do you feel about Genny’s decision not to capitalize on the more prevalent Sloth sentiment, and what are your own readings of Sloth?
 
Normally I'd think Ace's tunneling on april is wolfy as heck after the flip yesterday, but the fact that they're dating irl is throwing me off.

I felt that out more as bf gf foolishness, at least that’s how I’d be with my bf if he were here.
 
Categories, with individuals in no particular order

Village
Genny

Wolf-lean
April

Just noting where April and genny are

To me Genny is sounding the same as she always does, every game I have played with her she has been village. With the style she’s playing, she currently doesn’t have me raising any eye brows at the moment.
To be fair re-reading my notes Dina could hover weak village as well, to me their vote isn’t very significant at the moment sine MsP hasn’t posted, but they haven’t said anything that has particularly raised any suspicion for me

I wanted to get this one to keep it in mind as i read sloth's stuff but I also feel like that's just how sloth plays? kinda similar to me (and I could be reading this wrong) but I kinda take an innocent until proven guilty approach and i think sloth might more or less do the same?
the problem i kinda have with it is that anything more than weak reads (wolf or village, to me) is not my favorite right now.

but this interaction is moving april a little more towards village from neutral, bc im reading it wolfhuntingy

i also don't understand the dina sus-ing

I’m agreeing with this even though April is somewhat targeting me

This was sloth's reply to schools post highlighted above

Here is a more broken down list from previously

Neutral
Genny
April

Visc is my main wolf-lean right now, but I don’t quite think I’m ready to yeet yet because of the bandwagon that’s forming. Doing some more investigating into the neutrals

genny moved from village to neutral and april from wolf to neutral

I moved Genny back to neutrals because of her feuding with sunshine, it didn’t sit right with me
I also moved Dina since they voted for MsP, which just doesn’t seem very productive since they still haven’t commented anything

I’m not too fond of Genny’s recent behavior, but I also don’t know what to think about the bandwagon that has formed on her, I am less inclined to yeet visc since they reappeared with some pretty decent content

Sloth pretty much flipped their reads on genny and april. But then...

While I am still sus of genny placing my vote there really would not make much of a difference
I have a gut feeling, and a few others seems to be ??? Or slightly sus of dubz so
Yeet dubz

Please don’t eat me 🤣

Dubz was in the ???? slot of sloth's reads the whole time

Sloth can you explain why you went with dubz? It feels completely out of left field based on your reads. Feels like you were trying to hedge towards being sus of wolf genny as more votes were added on her and it looked like she was going down, but then you wanted to stay completely off the wagons to avoid suspicions on you later
 
My read of April changed a little over the course of the game. At the beginning, I too noted the tonal changes that some others have mentioned - which, to me at least, was more just that April wasn't being this over-the-top, sugary sweet that she's been in some of the other games. I'm not sure how much significance to put behind that, it's just a note that I made.
Since it's the closest thing I've got to a salt yeet,

Yeet Dina

It's a joke vote, y'all. I do not intend to stay on it. Since I've never been night killed in a game (I'm assuming it's probably because I say enough stupid things that wolves don't worry about me) and I was only misyeeted once a few games ago, I don't really have a solid salt vote, but Dina came on swinging at me in the last game so I figured I'd do the same back. Didn't convey that well earlier since I was still at work.
I originally had a very slight wolfy read on April for these exchanges just because I thought the tone was so different from previous games, but a salt vote early on is not always a good basis for a read, so I had marked that I was going to keep an eye on it. I still think that AM was a more logical salt vote, but that's really high on the list of "things that don't matter in the grand scheme of the game."

After the salt vote thing, sloth posted their reads and both April and I started going after them trying to get more information on how/why they had structured the list the way they did.
I'm not sure how I feel about you grouping such a large amount of people into village, and not weak village, so fast, especially without any prior posts indicating why.

I think the problem comes in where you didn't really explain your read changes, especially when it was kind of big changes that indicates something set off your alarm bell and we would like to know what it was.
I said to Zenge at this point that I really hoped that April and I were the same affiliation because if she is wolfing, I was getting pocketed. However, the logic that was being used against sloth made sense to me.
I'm still feeling Sloth is my top wolf lean after their most recent post. If they answer my question and it seems like a legit answer, I might back down off of that for a minute and consider genny. She is typically one that is hard for me to read and nothing she says sticks out in my head when I try to reflect on her gameplay, but in this game, she has responded to pressure by becoming increasingly cryptic and it's giving me the heeby geebies in a way that she never has in her village games.

Weren't Dina and Genny on your village list the first time? What happened? Now they're not on your village reads or leans at all.
This was the main point in sloth's revised list that really got my attention too - that genny originally was listed as village (not weak village/neutral/????) and then, when sloth started getting pressed, she was dropped down to neutral. I thought it was an interesting change and the fact that it had no explanation behind it didn't sit well with me. In light of genny's flip, it actually looks even worse to me today than it looked yesterday.


April moved to a genny vote with plenty of time left in the vote cycle (she cast her vote at 6:11 PM) and before that wagon had really taken off, so I am not inclined to think it's a packmate bussing another to salvage credibility. I thought her reason for switching the vote was a little strange (the specific post she responded to wasn't one that would have pushed me over the "genny is a wolf" edge if I hadn't been there already), but she clarified it more later.
*twitch*

Yeet genny

No, but Genny has surpassed the sketchiness of sloth

Holy crap I didn't realize I was actually close to getting yeeted. That built up fast
This surprised me a little just because with a rapidly building wagon like that, I would have expected her to keep an eye on it - but then again, I missed my chance to self-prez in the last game because I was just staring at the wafflefest like an idiot, so I can't really throw stones.

April pressed both genny and sloth a fair amount yesterday, one of whom we know was a wolf and the other is my strongest wolf read at the moment. I'm currently reading April as weak village based on her wolf hunting efforts. Now, I will note that she and I have agreed a lot over the last day or so, and that makes me a little nervous just because her wolf performance in the last game was quite good. I have wolf reads on other people that I'd like to pursue more at this point.
 
Okay so I just woke up and have half of 1 eye open. I checked my Mod PM (I lived!) then the write up (we lost 2 villagers 🙁 ) then I skimmed the thread. Need to actually read it with a full brain after I get up and to my computer. Initial thoughts to share:

-I am a little surprised that AM was killed by the wolves given some of us were loudly sus of her
-I feel the strongest village feeling towards Zenge
 
Okay so I just woke up and have half of 1 eye open. I checked my Mod PM (I lived!) then the write up (we lost 2 villagers 🙁 ) then I skimmed the thread. Need to actually read it with a full brain after I get up and to my computer. Initial thoughts to share:

-I am a little surprised that AM was killed by the wolves given some of us were loudly sus of her
-I feel the strongest village feeling towards Zenge
I agree with both of your points. I actually am a little surprised that Zenge wasn't killed overnight.
 
@Acehunter123

Last night there was a “Sloth is sus” sentiment bubbling up.

I asked Genny why she was trying to get the “Vis is Sus” train rolling again as a means of self prez, instead of the more effervescent “Sloth is sus” sentiment that was present at the time, and persistent now, to which she replied:

Given that Genny has now been confirmed wolf, how do you feel about Genny’s decision not to capitalize on the more prevalent Sloth sentiment, and what are your own readings of Sloth?
Interesting. I am honestly not sure why she didn't tack onto the Sloth train. Part of me wonders if she was trying to avoid pinning Sloth as she knew they were a wolf and knew Vis isn't. Therefore trying to pin Vis and avoid drawing more attention to Sloth. Personally its hard for me to really feel commited to Sloth but I would like to hear their opinion on who they are suspecting?
 
Interesting. I am honestly not sure why she didn't tack onto the Sloth train. Part of me wonders if she was trying to avoid pinning Sloth as she knew they were a wolf and knew Vis isn't. Therefore trying to pin Vis and avoid drawing more attention to Sloth. Personally its hard for me to really feel commited to Sloth but I would like to hear their opinion on who they are suspecting?
By their I meant Sloth at the end
 
This surprised me a little just because with a rapidly building wagon like that, I would have expected her to keep an eye on it - but then again, I missed my chance to self-prez in the last game because I was just staring at the wafflefest like an idiot, so I can't really throw stones.
The last time I checked on the thread before we went to get food last night, people were jumping onto Genny, and when I came back, I was so occupied with trying to catch up that I legit didn't notice a whole bunch of people had recently jumped onto me during the time we were gone. It didn't help that the tally counts weren't really frequent in the area I was catching up. Then Sun posted the count of me vs Genny and I realized I missed a lot more than I thought
nice!April has returned :laugh:
I think I was just spent on Friday after the greyhound annoyance lol
 
@Acehunter123

Last night there was a “Sloth is sus” sentiment bubbling up.

I asked Genny why she was trying to get the “Vis is Sus” train rolling again as a means of self prez, instead of the more effervescent “Sloth is sus” sentiment that was present at the time, and persistent now, to which she replied:

Given that Genny has now been confirmed wolf, how do you feel about Genny’s decision not to capitalize on the more prevalent Sloth sentiment, and what are your own readings of Sloth?
Oh man I forgot about that comment and I already moved Sloth to wolf lean. For now,

Yeet Sloth
 
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