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[Viscernable]

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I did and I tagged you
like 2 actual days ago

I finally found it thank you! lmao I don’t know why I missed it.

 

[Aprilthearab]

yeet them. panera mac and cheese needs avenge

Ace can confirm I was texting him all day about how POed I was that my mac and cheese disappeared and asked him to check the fridge in case I missed it (then got even more POed when he said he couldn't find it either)

 

[Dinashadow]

I appreciate shorty's organized ISO

This is my concern as well. My previous approach was "We'll let her slide today, she might be mod-killed anyway" but after seeing that she is very capable of coming on within an hour of yeet vote to barely meet minimum, I'm definitely not banking on that anymore. Last night, she conveyed a surprising awareness of thread happenings which makes me think her late appearance is intentional. Especially given her track record per the vets.

Yeah I definitely agree with you on this if I haven't made that super clear yet

 

[Aprilthearab]

And then I flipped wolf and @Aprilthearab was like

That was my very first lesson in learning to not automatically trust people because I like them. (I legit still thought you were village even after you got me killed)

 

[supershorty]

That was my very first lesson in learning to not automatically trust people because I like them. (I legit still thought you were village even after you got me killed)

I'm picturing you telling all new noobs that I'm the reason you have trust issues 🤣

 

[Dinashadow]

With Lainey’s post I think Ace is misyeet bait.

yeet Lainey

This is what I'm starting to think too. I liked his posts better this afternoon and sounds more like wolf-hunting, but I'm also nervous that he's pulling out all the stops because he was the most likely candidate to get yeeted tomorrow

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I'm picturing you telling all new noobs that I'm the reason you have trust issues 🤣

aprils gonna be the reason i tell noobs to not assume the nicest vets are village

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm picturing you telling all new noobs that I'm the reason you have trust issues 🤣

Yes, I am modifying the below to reflect that

Sometimes I think "What were the incredibly salty vets like as noobs?" and I feel like I've found my answer. I'm betting now that ten years down the road I'm going to be saying to the noobs "Remember, don't step on Shorty's toes if you want to live. Have fun!"

"Remember, don't step on Shorty's toes if you want to live. If you sus her, that's fine, you should, she's the reason I have trust issues. But please use your noggin if you're going to do that. Have fun!"

 

[Viscernable]

Not a fan on how this just played out with MsP just showing up basically when I thought she would looking like a villager with the tie and cray coming and breaking it right before yeet close.

Forgot about MsP showing up to vote exactly when she could make a tie with little time left for anyone to undo it. Would be a very convenient way to maybe yeet 2 villagers if ace is village. I know it’s a risky move to create a tie as a wolf and many people would never do it but I don’t know if MsP is one of them. If anything she seems to enjoy a bit of complete chaos and danger. Considering sloth flipped v I am really feeling w/w/v Lainey/MsP/ace.

 

[kaydubs]

I also thought that maybe they just don’t care what happens anymore since they were out so early and their friend group is dead.

Uh, they are way too invested to do that. They all play because they love the game. I’d say the friendships are an added bonus. Back me up, @WildZoo @Animal Midwife @genny

 

[Viscernable]

you think April is pocketing Shorty? Or shorty is pocketing April?

That April defending shorty much more than herself to Z pinged me as trying to pocket shorty

 

[kaydubs]

merciful kaydubs

That’s an unexpected adjective. Must retaliate with bloodthirst

 

[kaydubs]

On Day 3, We're Shufflin' Yeet Tally

Acehunter (1) - sunshine
MsP (3) - April, supershorty, Dina
LaineyLou (2) - Viscernable, vetschools

6/12

Leading: ---

Missing: most

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TOMORROW, Wednesday, 2/10/2021 (~26.25 HOURS)

 

[genny]

Uh, they are way too invested to do that. They all play because they love the game. I’d say the friendships are an added bonus. Back me up, @WildZoo @Animal Midwife @genny

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Yes, I have an actual job that sometimes requires me to do stuff. So sometimes I don't get to ded chat much.
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[Aprilthearab]

That April defending shorty much more than herself to Z pinged me as trying to pocket shorty

What does "herself to Z" mean? Defending shorty more than I defended Zenge I'm assuming?

Besides the post about Shorty wanting to live past D1, and usually agreeing with her because her logic is often similar to mine (which I wouldn't call defending), was there another time when I really defended shorty?

 

[Viscernable]

What does "herself to Z" mean? Defending shorty more than I defended Zenge I'm assuming?

Besides the post about Shorty wanting to live past D1, and usually agreeing with her because her logic is often similar to mine (which I wouldn't call defending), was there another time when I really defended shorty?

I meant ace in that post, actually, oops. My impression was that you were pretty unconcerned with him suspecting you but you defended shorty more. Gave me a twinge, since if you’re a villager the only person you know for certain is village is yourself, so it’s odd to seem more defensive of someone else. I’ll look back and see if I can find which posts gave me that impression

 

[Viscernable]

What does "herself to Z" mean? Defending shorty more than I defended Zenge I'm assuming?

Besides the post about Shorty wanting to live past D1, and usually agreeing with her because her logic is often similar to mine (which I wouldn't call defending), was there another time when I really defended shorty?

It was this interaction:

I'd still like to know why you're sussing Shorty because the last answer I got was that I "defended" her which was me just saying she would appreciate living past D1 after the last game

Part of the game is building a village block and arguing to defend the people you believe are village. Defending others does not automatically imply wolf kinship.

I'm not sure if she's defending me as much as she's picking apart your argument since there are lots of holes there.

If you haven't noticed, Shorty's entire post was about you. She made one comment on the end of why she is inclined to neutral/village read me. The rest was picking apart your argument. Also, I still want to hear why you think, APART from my involvement, why shorty is sus to you.

 

[WildZoo]

Uh, they are way too invested to do that. They all play because they love the game. I’d say the friendships are an added bonus. Back me up, @WildZoo @Animal Midwife @genny

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yeah I been skimming since I died but that's mostly because I've also been dying irl
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[Aprilthearab]

It was this interaction:

Those interactions to me seem much more like poking holes in his argument rather than actively defending anything Shorty has done. Shorty just happened to be the target of discussion because it was who Ace was specifically sussing at the time and I wanted to know why, but he wouldn't give a solid answer.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

you were pretty unconcerned with him suspecting you

i mean tbh if he was suspecting me in the same style of his april sus'ing i wouldnt be too concerned either. he was putting out literally no logic

 

[Crayola227]

Okay yall heres what ive got....

village read
-sunshine: nothing they have said strikes me as odd. Originally I thought it was strange that they were "defending" genny and genny turned out to be a wolf. But then realizing she voted for genny that wouldnt make much sense to yeet your fellow packmate. Unless this was some sort of wild sacrifice I just dont see that likely.
-shorty: doesnt seem very wolfy at all. Yes they are really on me but i think theyre just exploring all potential options for wolves. I see this as good hunting.
-Visc: has not been super prominent yesterday until near end. I feel theyd want to be much more involved if they were a wolf to try to make themselves seem village like. Originally there was some over explaining that seemed odd but I havent seen anything that super strikes me since.



??? (not sure, i have reasons for them to be wolfy or village and just cant decide)
-msP: the fact they were gone almost all yesterday seems really odd and i dont have a very good read because i havent seen much of them
-Vet schools: i feel i dont have a good read at all on them. I did take note of the last minute move from sloth to ace
-Kras: again i feel i dont have a super good read on them either. But definitely nothing has struck me as suspicious

wolfy
-dina: stated she doesnt feel the april vote and feels am is neutral. it would make sense that she knew AM was neutral if she were a wolf and in a pack with april.
-cray: stated that they were the first person to call out genny for being wolfy however when i looked back crays first reads post didnt include genny at all. hmmmmm? they unvoted alley and voted sloth last minute (not sure the relevance on this unless alley is wolf and they were trying to hide their unyeet of alley (pot wolf) within the end of the day
-April: stated they think that ace is really nooby and that the rest of the pack would have told him to stay quiet and say something that made more sense. they also brought up the thought that ace could be bait but that wouldnt be too smart considering they already lost one of the pack.
-ace: last nights post were very sketchy and idk if they were nooby or just slip ups
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#### yeet Lainey ####

 

[Crayola227]

Well I didn’t review everyone’s posts but I see the wolves took out an obvious target, a trusted villager. I know it’s only day 3, but after getting a wolf day 1 and with 36 hour cycles, it really feels bad that we aren’t making more progress.

also, I love how most of the players left are cray being surrounded by noobs. She’s probably had nightmares about this. And AM is probably yelling at all of us in dead chat about how we’re floundering out here.

My exact feelz.

 

[Crayola227]

I also thought that maybe they just don’t care what happens anymore since they were out so early and their friend group is dead.

Nah. They just start their own little party entertaining themselves in dead chat. Sometimes less thread activity means less dead activity.

 

[Crayola227]

I feel bad suspecting someone for village-reading me after I just was misyeeted for it in muppets, but I really don’t trust these village points. After 4 calendar days the most notable thing I’ve done to you is being busy D2, and that’s enough to put me in your top 3 village reads?

If I’m reading this right, you suspect Dina because you suspect April and Dina “said she didn’t feel the April vote” (??? Dina voted April D1. Also something about AM being “neutral” that I do not understand), and you suspect April because you suspect Ace. Interesting that 3/4 of your wolf reads hinge on Ace being a wolf. Almost like they’re motivated less by wolfhunting and more by throwing everything at the wall trying to get Ace yeeted. The cray read is disingenuous too... no, cray did not call genny out in her forst post of reads before genny posted. Is that a problem for you? Because I can think of one way you would have known at the time that genny was a wolf without reading any posts by her.

Genny was not the first person I called out. I was the first person to make a comment about genny being sus. I get that despite me pointing out all this sus stuff about genny I didn't vote her and even tried to preserve her. That was definitely a bias swung by my worship of AM. And generally I try to preserve vets over noobs (yes, I'm evil hate me) when I think all else is equal - and I was equally torn on April vs genny for wolfiness and what would be gained from a flip. If you think two wagons are equally sketch, get on the wagon that has your most village reads and stay off the wagon that has your sus people. Now how much I sus the people on genny changed with genny's flip.

But besides what feels to me like Lainey trying to stretch the truth, her posts AND her vote on genny is totally sketchballs.

 

[supershorty]

@Crayola227 what are your thoughts on MsP at this point?

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 what are your thoughts on MsP at this point?

She's sketchballs. I would like to see her flip.

My biggest concerns are being wrong about you and Dina because you seem to be wolfhunting.

Visc and Schools are neutralish for me.

Ace could be a giant noob distraction.

My top wolf reads are Lainey & MsP.

Also, tempted to vote Kras for pressure.

 

[kraskadva]

Jayzus... caught up finally.

Ok, reads in rough order...

Wolfy
Ace - after yesterday, very sus. Maybe noob, but
Lainey - Other's have pointed out many sketch bits, but the one below just feels totally off to me
MsP - That was an awfully quick catch up...

???
Dina - Feels like wolfhunting, but distrust
Alley - Not here enough to get a good read
Shorty - mix of wolf hunting and rage!shorty feels a bit manufactured, but not sure
Plz - IDK, nothing's jumping out to me either way

Village - all feel like village!* meta to me
Vis
Sunshine
April
Cray

I read sloth as still more wolfy than ace

After sloth already flipped flipped village? Really?

 

[kraskadva]

Also, tempted to vote Kras for pressure.

HI! My brain is mush right now after running M2 oral exams for 8hrs today, but feel free if you want

 

[kraskadva]

Yeet Ace
Let's see that flip... or if the wagon magically disappears again...

 

[kraskadva]

Now I'm gonna go collapse and try this again tomorrow morning before I have to play standardized patient tomorrow.

 

[supershorty]

Shorty - mix of wolf hunting and rage!shorty feels a bit manufactured, but not sure

rage!shorty last night was brought to you by the stellar combination of being on high doses of prednisone for 3 weeks and heavy sleep deprivation paired with severe gastrointestinal distress 😂

Hoping for a better night tonight but it’s been a heckin rough week and it’s only Tuesday.

 

[kraskadva]

high doses of prednisone for 3 weeks and heavy sleep deprivation paired with severe gastrointestinal distress

Much ew. Sympathies ☹️ 🤗

 

[Aprilthearab]

After sloth already flipped flipped village? Really?

I think she intended to mean that as past tense as a defense for why she voted the way she did last night

 

[supershorty]

Much ew. Sympathies ☹️ 🤗

Things seemed okay until we started trying to taper the pred and then my colon gave that the middle finger because it’s rude.

There’s a parks and rec gif that would be perfect to insert here but my phone is not being the most cooperative about it.

Spoiler: Aforementioned gif

 

[kraskadva]

I think she intended to mean that as past tense as a defense for why she voted the way she did last night

Tired brain... I can see that, had to go back and look at what she was responding to

I'm trying to figure out at what point @LaineyLou went from feeling the ace wagon last night was sketchy to putting him in her wolf reads today, but SDN search is making me wanna

But I found this:


And then it went to this:


Her reasoning being his posts were sketchy, so why not wolf read him last night and vote for him then? Instead she waited until today


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[kraskadva]

Still sus tho

 

[kraskadva]

Things seemed okay until we started trying to taper the pred and then my colon gave that the middle finger because it’s rude.

There’s a parks and rec gif that would be perfect to insert here but my phone is not being the most cooperative about it.

Spoiler: Aforementioned gif

Colons be rude like that.

 

[Crayola227]

I think she intended to mean that as past tense as a defense for why she voted the way she did last night

That makes me feel like Kras is stretching on Lainey.... of all the things to call Lainey out for, it feels kinda lazy/possibly disingenuous.

 

[alleycat03]

Also @sunshinefl and @alleycat03 I hope you are both having better days today 🙂

I’m trying to stay caught up on the thread, but it’s definitely difficult with what’s going on in my personal life.

Spoiler: Roommate drama and personal life

My roommate is insane and I’ve been trying to figure out how to get out of my lease. She ruined some of my stuff and then additionally threatened to purposely ruin more of my stuff so I don’t feel comfortable at my house anymore. The past few days I’ve been trying to figure out a new place to stay, and I’ve been crashing at my bf’s place for the time being. So that’s been a huge stressor on top of my already stressful schoolwork, so I’ve been struggling this week to keep up with WW. I’m doing everything I can to still stay engaged with the game and not get modkilled.

 

[alleycat03]

alley - april 14. I really don't like her giving genny (implied) village points for "very good points" for posting 3 sketchy reads with little reasoning - this was post 332, before the tide was turning against genny so I don't think busing her was on the wolves minds yet and they might have been hoping to go powerwolfing. Echoing genny's weird thing about Dubz being "more jokey and upbeat" is sketching me out, especially considering she's never played village Dubz. Sticking to April sus after genny's flip, "especially with AM gone" does not make sense to me, but I'm more confused by it than anything. I would think wolves would want to get the hell away from being associated with genny's self-prez push on April. That's WIFOM, though. The way she commented on the methods of the murders in writeup and tried to raise that as a point of discussion gave me a twinge. It sounds so like what we did in noob game trying to distract and confuse the thread with speculation about which kills were wolfy based on writeup. Her post 1046 on sloth was very bland and echoey, and I have a feeling wolves are subtly busing each other or ignoring each other after genny's flip. Alley/sloth w/w looking very compatible.

So I’m trying to find most/all of my references and reply.

So I’m a bit confused by this. I think Vis got me confused with someone else. Not only did I vote for Sloth, but I never mentioned anything related to “especially with AM gone” sus on April after the Genny flip? I’m actually feeling a bit better about April right now. I know I pointed out a tone change and I voted for her, but her contribution to wolf hunting has her as a neutral/leaning village for me.

I already addressed the Dubz point to her directly with me getting confused about the breadsticks game. Rip Dubz, your tone was different and now I know she was actually a villager.

I also never said anything about the method of murders in the write up. I said something along the lines of “I just found out AM and Dubz died” because I was behind, but that’s it.

 

[sunshinefl]

Okay, this may have been a little over the top, but I redid the entirety of Lainey's ISO so I could put some more things in context. I left out most of her fighting with AM because I don't think that's necessarily relevant (and I addressed it in the last ISO post I did on her). I did find that there's this consistent pattern of playing up just how much of a noob she considers herself and trying to use this as a way to distract people from her (i.e. "but I'm so new and I don't know anything, so disregard me, hehe!"). This is exactly what I did in the noob game when I was wolfing, and so it really caught my attention.

I want to note that these quotes are not necessarily in chronological order: I am grouping them based on content and because there are so many of them, I will spoiler them so I don't ruin someone's day by making them have to scroll past a giant post. There are a few main categories of post that I've noted: posts that bandwagon with what is a popular idea at the time, posts that overdo the "I'm a wee bebe noob!", posts that strike me as ones that could either be legit or could be a wolf trying to cover herself, and then things that make me raise an eyebrow based on who my other wolf reads are.

Spoiler: Posts that agree with other people's points but don't really contribute any of their own ideas

After this game, I never want to hear about "gut feelings" again.

There are quite a few of these posts, and those by themselves really don't give me a lean on someone one way versus the other when they're really new to the game. It can be hard to put reads out there because then you get questioned by everyone else. However, the pattern of it, and the fact that it's remained so consistent across this game, is starting to catch my attention.

Spoiler: I'm just a noob!

I don't know that I believe that she has already forgotten that AM was a vigilante, given that she's carried over so much anger toward her from the last game.

AM has said, both on this thread and in dead chat from the last game, why she killed Lainey.



Lainey was somewhat active in dead chat of the last game, at least when she first arrived, so she knows from watching misyeet after misyeet in that game that nothing happens.











This seemed like a tinfoil that wasn't well thought out.



I hesitated on whether to put this in or not because even though I know other people find this question sketchy, I think it can be a legit question from someone new at the game. But I've also learned that bringing it up on the thread is perceived as sketchy (and this contributed to my misyeet in the last game). So with that in mind, I made a note of it, but I personally didn't hold this against Lainey, although it certainly is a possibility that a wolf would ask this and try to seed the idea that there were more/fewer wolves.

I don't know why an obvious self-preservation move (that nearly worked) was perceived as odd.



Like sunshine, this one made a big red flag go up for me. There's no way Lainey doesn't know what bussing is at this point given that it came up earlier in the thread. Overplaying the noob hand.

Spoiler: Posts that could be more legit

This was interesting to me because given that genny was pushing Vissy, I'm not sure why you'd have them in a pack together right off the bat.

I don't know what it is with noobs in this game using the term "defending" but it seems to have a very loose definition.

Bussing?

I'm not holding this against Lainey if she's village because I had a strong wolf read on Sloth based on those reads lists they posted and I was wrong (sorry Sloth). BUT, on the other hand, this seems like a good way for Lainey to try and get a little bit of village cred (before Sloth flipped) because there was, we thought, some good evidence of wolfiness and it was an easy way for her to join that wagon. Now with Sloth having flipped village, it doesn't look good in retrospect, but quite a few of us were very wrong on that.

It's smart for wolves to village read some villagers too. Worked out very unfortunately for sloth, in this case. I'm really not getting wolf vibes from Cray still, although I need to go back and look at some posts.

Spoiler: Posts that made me raise my eyebrows

Normally, a last-minute wagon like that would get me concerned too. But having said that, Ace made some super sketchy statements last night after really not contributing anything useful to wolfhunting efforts thus far, and then he kept playing up the sketchiness right until the end. Because I have wolf reads on both him and Lainey at this point, these 2 posts strike me as a wolf trying to cover for another wolf.




These 2 posts could have gone in the "But am noob" spoiler, but with when they occurred, they really made me lean more wolfy. Again, this is so strikingly similar to how I wolfed in the noob game - really overdoing the "I am a noob and have no idea what's going on" and it worked relatively well, but because of that, it really stands out to me now.

Lainey's vote history:
D1: voted genny 58 minutes before yeet close
D2: voted Sloth 7 hours, 45ish minutes before yeet close

This deep dive gives Shorty village cred.

What's wigging me out is that with this wolf pack, it's hard to form a pack and to process of elimination people based on flips. If Ace flips village or wolf, it doesn't necessarily discount that Lainey is village or wolf and visa versa. The pack is clearly floundering without genny to help them, which makes the hunt both easier and more difficult?
These are also pre-coffee ramblings so if none of that made sense, I can come back and clarify post caffeine

as a non-coffee drinker, your ramblings made sense.

Okay yall heres what ive got....

village read
-sunshine: nothing they have said strikes me as odd. Originally I thought it was strange that they were "defending" genny and genny turned out to be a wolf. But then realizing she voted for genny that wouldnt make much sense to yeet your fellow packmate. Unless this was some sort of wild sacrifice I just dont see that likely.
-shorty: doesnt seem very wolfy at all. Yes they are really on me but i think theyre just exploring all potential options for wolves. I see this as good hunting.
-Visc: has not been super prominent yesterday until near end. I feel theyd want to be much more involved if they were a wolf to try to make themselves seem village like. Originally there was some over explaining that seemed odd but I havent seen anything that super strikes me since.



??? (not sure, i have reasons for them to be wolfy or village and just cant decide)
-msP: the fact they were gone almost all yesterday seems really odd and i dont have a very good read because i havent seen much of them
-Vet schools: i feel i dont have a good read at all on them. I did take note of the last minute move from sloth to ace
-Kras: again i feel i dont have a super good read on them either. But definitely nothing has struck me as suspicious

wolfy
-dina: stated she doesnt feel the april vote and feels am is neutral. it would make sense that she knew AM was neutral if she were a wolf and in a pack with april.
-cray: stated that they were the first person to call out genny for being wolfy however when i looked back crays first reads post didnt include genny at all. hmmmmm? they unvoted alley and voted sloth last minute (not sure the relevance on this unless alley is wolf and they were trying to hide their unyeet of alley (pot wolf) within the end of the day
-April: stated they think that ace is really nooby and that the rest of the pack would have told him to stay quiet and say something that made more sense. they also brought up the thought that ace could be bait but that wouldnt be too smart considering they already lost one of the pack.
-ace: last nights post were very sketchy and idk if they were nooby or just slip ups
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not to Lainey specifically but just in general, this is why read lists from other people are so hard to interpret. The uninformed villagers may not perfectly agree, and wolves can make a list look pretty good just hide a wolf here and sus a villager there and ta da!

but also I think it's weird that Lainey keeps fixating that I "defended Genny" when I never did and have already answered her when she tried to say it before. this seems like another example of Lainey trying to stretch like a couple others I quoted have noted. The thing I did that she insists on referring to repeatedly is agreed with Genny that she was "just saying things" which wasn't defending her, it was reaffirming why i thought she was wolfy.

Hello everyone, I am done with classes and can now spend some time answering questions and commenting. I will try to address many of the comments I have been scouring over, so if you have any direct questions I will be more than happy to address them too?

I know shorty is trying to be kinder and gentler to Ace today, but I'm surprised she let this go. This reads to me like Ace is stepping up to the podium for a Q&A session, instead of making his own contributions and driving the conversation forward himself *again*.

I don't keep track of who people kill as wolves

This is based off how she's acting, which she's acting 100% like I mentioned on D1 and D2.

okay this is fair and I thought of this when I pointed out, but still wanted to see what you would say.

Not sure yet. Part of me thinks it was to get some village cred and that she might've changed it if it looked like the tie would stick or even somehow coordinated with her wolf pack. That's the one big thing I haven't nailed down yet

But if she's sure on ace why not put a vote down already either last night or today? She's clearly been on today. Idk she's just reminding me of how she wolfed in skewl and I'm afraid of leaving it too long with a big ? hanging over her affiliation when her play so far has been anti-village

If ace flips village though it would pretty much seal the deal for me to vote for her next.

hmmmm these are interesting points. I don't know if Ace flipping village would condemn Ms P for me, or if it would just remove some credit there.

The part where I get hung up is that she was the one who made the tie initially, so if they're both wolfing, she was either banking on merciful kaydubs or planning to pull her vote at the very last second because otherwise, that's such a huge risk to take. Since it didn't end up happening that way, I obviously can't put too much weight on it, but it's something I'm keeping in the back of my mind.

I agree that would be pretty ballsy if she was a wolf.

I did the same thing with alley's ISO as I did with Lainey's, where I went back to the beginning. To me, it's pretty clear going through these posts that Alley/April interactions are not w/w. I'm not sure if they're w/v or v/v - could be either. I'm going to try not to repeat myself too much from the first ISO I did on her posts.

The only reason I put this in here again is because it was a salt vote that was never changed, but because of this and because April's wagon was so close to being yeeted, this makes me pretty sure that they're not w/w. I don't think it would be good wolf play to bus someone in your pack so early on.

I'm reading Dina as village at this point despite the last minute vote switch to April, and I haven't gotten wolfy vibes from Vissy either.

This was agreeing with genny. But it also was agreeing with some points that genny made that I didn't disagree with either - and that's not setting off alarm bells to me because if you're wolfing well, you'd need to mix in some good solid village reads/points.

Said she didn't plan on keeping her vote on April but then did.

I thought this was an odd thing to give village credit for because it was a sarcastic joke that Cray made - it reminded me of something sunshine said earlier in the thread about a comment that I'd made and how she was giving me village points for that, and Cray called her out on it because the statement I'd made was not stupid (for once), but also wasn't something super profound and necessarily deserving of any special attention.

This turned out to be correct so although I don't know how I feel about her keeping her vote on April at this point just based on tone, I'm not holding it against her.



This is the first mention of being sus of sloth other than saying the lists were "kind of sus" earlier and then saying that's a sloth thing to do. It always gives me twinges when people say things like "I'm not in a pack with ____."

Oops.

This was literally exactly what was said in the last line of what she was responding to, so I'm not sure about the confusion here.










This group of 4 posts makes me feel like an Ace/alley pack is unlikely. Honestly, I don't have super strong wolf vibes on alley after repeating this iso. Weak wolf/neutral, but not one of my stronger reads at this point.

Alley's voting history:
D1: April - vote placed >30 hours before yeet close
D2: Sloth - vote placed 1 hour, 10 minutes before yeet close --> Unyeet sloth, yeet Ace 39 minutes before yeet close


Also I wanted to reply to this post by pleasy so it's at the bottom of my ISO:

That's still a net loss for wolves though, seems relatively unlikely to me - much better to push the villager out...

yeah Alley had made some odd comments, and sitting on the April vote, I don't think I ever saw a good explanation.

Working on the explanations, also thought it may help streamline the process if you guys could ask about specific people like you are doing now so I can prioritize the individuals of interest first. Responses for both questions coming shortly...

I'm not going to do all the work for you, buddy.

You can prioritize based on who's been talked about on the thread.

yes thank god shorty said this at least, because this is my reaction to your post as well Ace. Who, what, when, where, why, how you post is all part of your contributions AND can help us judge your affiliation.

I'm going to break Ace's latest up with spoilers the way I did for Lainey's for a couple reasons: (1) I pulled a lot of quotes and this post is going to be huge as a result, and (2) there are some kind of interesting ways you can segment his posting across D1/D2/D3. In some ways, it reminds me a little of how Z had a fairly pronounced tonal change during the Emojis game and went from seeming really wolfy to seeming SUPER villagey. I'm not saying that Ace is coming across as super village to me - he's not - but I was struck by the difference as I went back through this. So having said that, I'm breaking this up into sections of things that seemed wolfy to me, things that I still don't actually follow his logic for at all, and then things that are making me lean a little less wolfy on him today.

Spoiler: Wolfy posts

I already addressed most of these in my previous ISO of Ace, so I'm not going to go into a detailed analysis on them. It's odd to me how he stuck with this April +/- me thing for so long with essentially nothing to back it up.








I do want to draw attention to these next 3 given Z's flip.











This was talking about the sloth vote. It didn't sit well with me at the time, feeling like there was some good evidence of sloth being wolfy. However, we now know that sloth was village, so I don't feel like this is as wolfy in retrospect as it was when it was made.


This came across as throwing a name at the wall and seeing if it would stick. I'm still reading Cray as village at this point.


SUUUUUUPER wolfy to worry about how your vote is perceived.


Not sure what he was hoping to accomplish with this question, but it seemed like a wolf taunting people to me (also a question with a super obvious answer).


This still doesn't sit right with me given when the vote was placed. My spreadsheet has made vote tracking really easy, and I knew when he did this - the way he phrased it is misleading.

So I have a question for @Acehunter123 at this point. At what point did you go from thinking that I was wolfy to thinking I was village - because in your reads today, you listed me as village, but I assume you weren't thinking that last night given this bit of snark. If you're actually village, getting into it with fellow villagers isn't a good strategy, so I'm just wondering at what point you changed your read of me (and why).

Spoiler: Things I have never followed

It doesn't really matter at this point, but Ace, I don't think I'll ever understand how you took my ISO of YOUR posts as a long defense of April lol

I assume that now, Ace has realized that I ISO plenty of people.






Here's where I started getting angry because there really was minimal wolfhunting effort coming from the same person who said this.

Spoiler: Tonal changes from previous days

Okay, now - I still read this as wolfy. But, like earlier today, I have a hard time not reading this with a ton of salt because I was still so annoyed by the previous night's interactions. If I give him the benefit of the doubt more, I can see how this might be genuine and be the result of nearly getting yeeted last night. We all make mistakes in our play - heck, I got Sloth's read totally wrong - so.

This kind of came across as echo-ey to me and I really wasn't buying the whole "if I survive the night" thing for the reasons I mentioned in my response to his previous post. However, AFTER this, we see a difference in how Ace is interacting with others on the thread and how he's presenting his ideas (aka he's actually fleshing them out some, rather than just doing the "feels and vibes" thing), so I'm a little more inclined to believe it.

Ace's vote history:
D1: April (voted 28ish hours before yeet close)
D2: Sloth (voted <1 hour before yeet close)

I am re-evaluating my read of Ace currently, especially in light with his interactions with Lainey on thread right now. Based on my ISOs today, I think I have him as a weaker wolf lean than I did last night.

I understood your point about Zenge's tone change and was ready to see it in Ace if you outlined it, but honestly I still don't see it. If anything this makes me feel worse about him.

But besides what feels to me like Lainey trying to stretch the truth, her posts AND her vote on genny is totally sketchballs.

Lainey has tried to stretch several times, and that vote on Genny I can't just ignore. Lainey is getting sketchier for me. She fell out of weak village, to ???, and now to weak wolf.

Jayzus... caught up finally.

Ok, reads in rough order...

Wolfy
Ace - after yesterday, very sus. Maybe noob, but
Lainey - Other's have pointed out many sketch bits, but the one below just feels totally off to me
MsP - That was an awfully quick catch up...

???
Dina - Feels like wolfhunting, but distrust
Alley - Not here enough to get a good read
Shorty - mix of wolf hunting and rage!shorty feels a bit manufactured, but not sure
Plz - IDK, nothing's jumping out to me either way

Village - all feel like village!* meta to me
Vis
Sunshine
April
Cray

I know I said before it's so easy for a wolf to make a read list look legit, but I don't see anyone completely flipped from what I would say here. So maybe Kras should get some village cred....

Yeet Ace
Let's see that flip... or if the wagon magically disappears again...

you mean like how it already is again this cycle...

 

[Crayola227]

So I just got done doing some reading at MafiaScum wiki. I think us villagers need to come together and decide who we are lynching and put the pressure on, and eliminate the scummiest (wolfiest) players one after another.

Lainey, MsP, Alley, Ace, and Kras look the worst to me.

Dear God, after reading the articles I can see why AM has Kras as a policy yeet.

I have some idea who I think is villagiest, and I'd love to hear from them which of the suspects on the above list should be voted off the island first.

Do we think the wagon on Ace dissolved because he has scum buddies?

Where is @Ms Procrastinator ?

 

[Crayola227]

On Day 3, We're Shufflin' Yeet Tally

Acehunter (2) - sunshine, Kras
MsP (3) - April, supershorty, Dina
LaineyLou (3) - Viscernable, vetschools, Cray

8/12

 

[Crayola227]

I heard we were doing salt votes 🤔

Yeet April

In hindsight this reads opportunistic

 

[Crayola227]

I'm bored and dont wanna do my school work and I feel the compulsive need to organize and this was kinda fun last time.

unofficial D1 Yeet Tally
April (2)- AM, alley
AM (1)- genny
Dina (1)- April
Alley (1)- Sloth
Dubz (1)- kras
kras (1)- shorty
Sloth (1)- cray
MsP (1)- Dina

Yeet close in 30ish hours? More than 24 for sure. Idk time zones hurt my brain.
missing- about half of us

Reads like IIoA (Information Instead of Analysis)

 

[Crayola227]

Rood. Dina doesn’t deserve this disrespect for being smart last game*

Yeeting you both is tempting, but I’ll land on

yeet april

because I thought you were a wolf early last game but let thread convince me otherwise and I need this

*whether she deserves yeeting this game is an entirely separate matter. Investigation pending posts

Bothersome for being overexplainy, and feels opportunistic as well.

 

[Crayola227]

Also I'm out of surg and feeling pretty OK much more awake than usual after these things. I have to do some follow up testing because things looked more weird than expected, maybe more concern than before for molar pregnancy or some other type of gestational trophoblast disease

Also congrats to all you ladies and the rings on it and such!

My follow up bloodwork showed a major decrease in beta human chorionic gonadotropin (bHCG) as one would expect, so less concern for badness. Gonna keep trending it until it hits zero, then try again! As you might imagine, for me, the suckiest part of recovery is the 2 weeks of total "pelvic rest."

 

[Crayola227]

Tbh I thought it was weird when I read it before anyone else said so, but this game has conditioned me to be hesitant to speak up and get mis-read.

It’s enough that I gave Visc wolf points, but then I worried about it being “too popular” as I said. I can’t tell anyone’s affiliation who agreed because it was so weird, but it did make me think twice about if he would really be a wolf with so many calling out that post, but could all be villagers.

Sunshine has been awfully hedgy this game. Wolf Sunshine was pretty aggressive, so I can't say it fits the limited meta, but not really loving the hedginess as that can be a classic sign of lyncanthropy. Also the only sketch thing I have done/said that I can tell was the genny vote, and I really think it actually does more to support me in the uninformed majority than the other way round, yet Sunshine felt the need to create that foil about me. I'm definitely looking at people picking up that bait.

@sunshinefl can I get updated reads? How do you feel about Viscernable now?

 

[Crayola227]

Sunny, AM, and Cray are all giving me village vibes right now. Dubz is too, mostly because she's hassling me about liking her post earlier and not responding until later, but I'm hesitant to go there because it's dubz

This post to come in and declare Dubz and the rest of us villagey, especially right on tails of Dubz sussint Dina, reads kinda funny to me. Very wolf like reaction to have. And Dina also brought up some sus of me somewhere that felt almost in response to mine.

Mostly I don't want Dubz sus of Dina to be forgotten, but I wasn't going to say anything unless on review posts got to me.

Not trying to undo the village bloc that feels like it's forming, but want to continually reassess and encourage other players to as well.

@Dinashadow can I get an updated reads list from you as well?

 

[Crayola227]

Im not getting wolfy vibes here, being so new i know how it feels

Possibly white knighting Drorororor?