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....but then when I see who is on genny's wagon I just see a lot of sus pants
If anyone wants to help me self prez by jumping on the Vis wagon with me, I’d really appreciate it.
interesting that AM isn't calling this out when she normally calls people out for "self prez" votes early and doing "self prez" wrong.....
Dude, I am trying to get others to yeet a wolf lean. It would also be self prez, sure. But I’m not just jumping on any wagon at this point.
Genny's vote on Visc did not have roots in self prez, and 90 min to vote close is reasonable if she's trying to get 4 people to join her on the vote in order to beat her current vote count, assuming she can't get the people off her vote.

It's never too early to self prez in the form of campaigning for your top wolf read. I think that's just villaging (if person doing it is actually village)
she literally called out self prez

I don't disagree, but historically AM does.
Because I’m dying and there are no other close wagons lol
I feel like wolfy genny would fight harder, this feels like village genny going to her death. Or my memory is bad.

What think you of this point @Animal Midwife and @WildZoo ?
Are you trying to turn the tide here? Defending Genny?
It's Only Day 1 with Plenty to Choose From Yeet Tally

April (2) - alleycat, Acehunter
AM ()
Dina ()
alleycat ()
DubZ (2) - kras, Philosloth
kras ()
Philosloth (2) - supershorty, vetschools
MsP (2) - Dina, AM
Viscernable (2) - Crayola, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (6) - Zenge, sunshinefl, April, Viscernable, DubZ, LaineyLou
Acehunter ()

17/18

Leading: @genny

Missing: @Ms Procrastinator

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Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Saturday 2/6/2021 (~48 minutes)
It's Only Day 1 with Plenty to Choose From Yeet Tally

April (3) - alleycat, Acehunter, AM
AM ()
Dina ()
alleycat ()
DubZ (2) - kras, Philosloth
kras ()
Philosloth (2) - supershorty, vetschools
MsP (1) - Dina
Viscernable (2) - Crayola, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (6) - Zenge, sunshinefl, April, Viscernable, DubZ, LaineyLou
Acehunter ()

17/18

Leading: @genny

Missing: @Ms Procrastinator

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Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Saturday 2/6/2021 (~35 minutes)
Cray and Genny voting together
unyeet vis
Yeet April
Genny moves like 15 mins out
🤔

Unyeet MsP


genny's wagon has stalled for most of the day which makes me think she might be a bad yeet

yeet April
not related to Cray but this triggered me seeing it again @Dinashadow
I was this close to moving to April, but ties!
cray wants to go
@PhiloslothicalStudent you around in case its needed?
me enlisting people to vote genny (even though sloth never did and became more sus for it)
I would move to April if it wasn't a tie
Who wants to come with?
Cray enlisting people to move off genny to april to save april
I'll vote twice if it helps.
still funny tho
*****keeping an eye on these*****

April (5) - alleycat, Acehunter, AM, genny, Dina

genny (6) - Zenge, sunshinefl, April, Viscernable, DubZ, LaineyLou
###unvote visc ###$
like 5 mins out, ready to change to April
@PhiloslothicalStudent cray might make a last sec tie!!
again, me recruiting to make sure genny is yeeted
It took all my willpower not to touch the tie
yeah we can tell how motivated you were....
 
oh I agree... it's just kinda hard to analyze her by her sketch reads when everyone is making her sketch.
To make it clear again, I am considering Ace, Lainey, Alley, Schools, Kras, and Dina votes. Everyone else I took off the list most likely owing to genny VCA or other wolf hunting efforts.
 
Pretty sure you were on Lainey, not Ace, unless my tally has been wrong all day @Crayola227
Yeah i said before Lainey and Ace are about equal sus concern for me.

I see the sus on Lainey & Ace, but no longer feel good about it because it seems too obvious. At least one of them is probably a misyeet.
 
again, the uninformed villagers can never know with 100% certainty anything outside of themselves. However, I think there is more than enough reason to sus you even if you do end up village.
I totally understand where the suspicion is and I get it. I’ve tried to address it.

I don't think I'm the wolfiest on the board.

And this is some WIFOM, but I was trying not to play overbearing as the vet wolf in Breadsticks, but in hindsight I should have taken way more control and done a lot more coaching.

There is no way in hell I would be spending this much ****ing time on this thread "fake wolf hunting" without doing a lot more to coach the likes of Lainey, Alley, or Ace. The game I didn't coach you guys I also wasn't on thread as much. So I'm really questioning thinking I'm compatible with these out of control noobs.

If you think I'm wolf, then they must be noob villagers not wolves. Are you ready to clear them? Or you think I'm the wolfiest and the most compatible with them?

It makes zero sense.

I'm just tired of yeeting "obviously sketch" characters like MsP, because I'm not sure we'll get a wolf in two.
 
Well... this is quite unfortunate. I did not feel strong enough to yeet MsP yet. Apologies for being away due to work and getting dinner. By the time we got back it was 1 minute till close. The votes I saw before I left were leaning towards Lainey which I supported... I have to catch up to find out why the sudden switch occured
@sunshinefl in your opinion who was driving the lynch off Lainey onto MsP?

I was asleep until 15 min to deadline when she was leading, so I know it wasn't me.
 
I totally understand where the suspicion is and I get it. I’ve tried to address it.

I don't think I'm the wolfiest on the board.

And this is some WIFOM, but I was trying not to play overbearing as the vet wolf in Breadsticks, but in hindsight I should have taken way more control and done a lot more coaching.

There is no way in hell I would be spending this much ****ing time on this thread "fake wolf hunting" without doing a lot more to coach the likes of Lainey, Alley, or Ace. The game I didn't coach you guys I also wasn't on thread as much. So I'm really questioning thinking I'm compatible with these out of control noobs.

If you think I'm wolf, then they must be noob villagers not wolves. Are you ready to clear them? Or you think I'm the wolfiest and the most compatible with them?

It makes zero sense.

I'm just tired of yeeting "obviously sketch" characters like MsP, because I'm not sure we'll get a wolf in two.
so it's hard for me to picture what it was like being a villager experiencing you as a wolf that game, since I was a wolf....
Is this a rojo?
wow! huge if true.. I need to go back and look if that makes any sense without being a rojo. Alley/Please.... hmmm
@sunshinefl in your opinion who was driving the lynch off Lainey onto MsP?

I was asleep until 15 min to deadline when she was leading, so I know it wasn't me.
seemed like shorty/Dina
 
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Wow I fell asleep at like 9:20 or whatever waiting for yeet deadline. I can't believe everyone switched to Ms. P over Lainey and I will definitely bel looking at the people who drove that swing. Lainey was the better choice and I'm a little pissed that happened.


This is a really weird thing to say Cray. why do you need to make sure you're on it IF she's a wolf to get village cred. Just super weird. You should vote based off thinking she's a wolf, not wanting to be there in case she is. Just wow.


Someone in the thread recently (day 3 cycle) pointed out that not remembering your vote is likely wolfy because it shows you weren't really attached to it and one villager for another is whatever to you. It may have even been you cray who said that. Now you show up late, forget who you voted for, want credit "in case" Ms P is a wolf. This is all super sus.



Talk about hedging. This is exactly what you're doing here.




I'm just overall annoyed at people driving the misyeet acting like oh gee golly. Just rubs me the wrong way.



Why is Ace suddenly the most reasonable person. I too would like to figure out how this switched.



Well I did feel good until some of my village block drove this misyeet. Now I'm going to be like Cray in sus'ing 75%.




Bro you are on almost everyone's sus list. The wolves will not kill you even if you do happen to be village. You would be a really dumb choice.
This post is great except where you end up sussing me. The rest of the points are solid.
 
Wow I fell asleep at like 9:20 or whatever waiting for yeet deadline. I can't believe everyone switched to Ms. P over Lainey and I will definitely bel looking at the people who drove that swing. Lainey was the better choice and I'm a little pissed that happened.


This is a really weird thing to say Cray. why do you need to make sure you're on it IF she's a wolf to get village cred. Just super weird. You should vote based off thinking she's a wolf, not wanting to be there in case she is. Just wow.


Someone in the thread recently (day 3 cycle) pointed out that not remembering your vote is likely wolfy because it shows you weren't really attached to it and one villager for another is whatever to you. It may have even been you cray who said that. Now you show up late, forget who you voted for, want credit "in case" Ms P is a wolf. This is all super sus.



Talk about hedging. This is exactly what you're doing here.




I'm just overall annoyed at people driving the misyeet acting like oh gee golly. Just rubs me the wrong way.



Why is Ace suddenly the most reasonable person. I too would like to figure out how this switched.



Well I did feel good until some of my village block drove this misyeet. Now I'm going to be like Cray in sus'ing 75%.




Bro you are on almost everyone's sus list. The wolves will

that's fine hopeful other villagers do
I did end up looking, and the Dina vote, not in isolation with with today, looks bad.
 
I sus Lainey somewhat more and for longer, but Cray has so many people reading her village and she is getting more and more sus. I doubt I'll live to see it through (unlike Ace), but I want others to take it more seriously and I want more pressure there, so

YEET Cray
Also this vote may not count without "contingency" in it.
 
I don't know Dina's meta.

But Dubz sussed her, and MsP's dying breath said to look closely there as well. Besides myself (although I would argue I've been less effective in my vote-****ery) VCA looks worst here as well.

After losing genny I could totally see her taking out WZ and AM and then just letting/leading village to turn on the sus noobs left as an easy misyeet train to victory.
 
I don't know Dina's meta.

But Dubz sussed her, and MsP's dying breath said to look closely there as well. Besides myself (although I would argue I've been less effective in my vote-****ery) VCA looks worst here as well.

After losing genny I could totally see her taking out WZ and AM and then just letting/leading village to turn on the sus noobs left as an easy misyeet train to victory.
so I played 1 other game with her, emojis. This is what I had on my spreadsheet about Dina: "village/??" "don’t have a good read, but agree with some things she says" and she was village. I kinda feel the same way about her now, but the push for Ms. P may be a misyeet or a wolfy move, but honestly more than that is that day 1 vote switch.
 
but for the rest of the village:

if I get NK'ed tonight: could be wolf cray for outlining my sus, could be wolves taking advantage of chance to put village cray under more sus and evade detection themselves

if I don't get NK'ed tonight: could be wolf cray trying to look innocent/ avoid more sus/ even ask for soft clear for it, or could be because the wolves had a different target unrelated to me sus'ing cray
 
I'm almost to the point of asking wolves to NK me.
I was saying this to Z last night because I’m so frustrated.

I had said yesterday that MsP was sketchy and her play was anti-village. I had my vote on her most of the day and then when it seemed like modkill might be a possibility, I moved to Lainey because the wolf vibes were so strong. BUT I also said that I would switch back if MsP showed up at the last second, which she did, and I did. Anti-village play is still anti-village play.

I need to reevaluate Dina today and I’d said I was going to ISO pleasy yesterday and didn’t get around to it, so I’ll make sure I do that today assuming I have a chance to.
 
Question, which of you were on Lainey last yeet, and moved to MsP? And why?

@sunshinefl do you know?
I can give you this information as soon as I get to my tablet, my vote tracker has it. For myself, I was on MsP all day, changed to Lainey when it seemed close enough that MsP not showing up was a real possibility, and then changed back when she did. And had said I would do that if she showed up.
 
You say this, and despite the players we know to be village, the rest I'm not so sure of.

Not loving the Ace wagon is all
She also never answered the question I asked her in that post.

@kraskadva
 
Thoughts this morning (have not gone back and re-ISOed yet so keep that in mind):

Strongest wolf reads:
Lainey - I think she's noob wolfing. I should have left my vote on her last night - however, my move to MsP was consistent with what I'd been saying I would do. It sucks that we misyeeted again, but her lack of play was so anti-village and she did some questionable things (like the willingness to make the tie the other night) that I understand exactly how it happened. This is why I'd asked Cray's thoughts on her versus Lainey earlier yesterday - because I wanted to know what someone more experienced thought. tl;dr folks: don't play in an anti-village way if you're village, you're not helping anyone. Lainey has said so many wolfy things at this point that I don't think I need to list them here.

Alley - a couple of things have made me think she's wolfy, but in particular, the potential rojo last night with the coordinated wafflepost thing, and Lainey's complete avoidance of answering questions related to Alley until we shouted at her about it.

Weaker wolfy reads that I need to re-evaluate today:

Ace - it's pretty clear that Ace is, at minimum, not a team player. I'll acknowledge that Ace's attitude really irritates me and that could make me read him in a less favorable light than maybe I should, but I'm not clearing him because he really has not contributed to wolf hunting at all, he's just run his mouth a lot and then said wolfy things. April's constant need to leap to his defense really bothers me. If he doesn't actually contribute anything to village efforts today, I'm tempted to ignore him because my fighting with him isn't productive.

Dina - Dina's vote history is not good. I felt like she had been actively wolfhunting after the D1 vote switch that was super weird, but I'm starting to wonder if she pocketed me with those efforts. As Cray said, someone has to be steering the noob wolves toward getting people misyeeted. Going to really take a hard look at her posts today.

kras - ISOing kras yesterday wasn't very helpful for figuring out where I stand on her, I hope today will bring more clarity but I'm not confident it will.
 
I might switch to sloth, I'm picking alley > sloth because I'm having a hard time believing there was no wolves on april's lynch except genny and I'm thinking alley > ace in that regard.
I'm reading back through Dina's post history and this is now giving me WIFOM twinges (I hope I'm using that term correctly).

As a reminder, April's final wagon was AM, Dina, genny, alley, and Ace. I have either wolf reads or tentative wolf questions that I need to re-evaluate more on ALL of the living people on that wagon right now.
 
Working again on catching up, can't believe I'm 7 pages behind. Curious to see what happened to generate so many posts leading up to yeet close last night
 
@Crayola227 I'd love your thoughts on this before write up gets posted since it's my strong suspicion that either you or I will be NKed based on wolf hunting activity.

I am most confident at this point in my wolf read of Lainey. However, I'm starting to get more and more suspicious of Dina actually driving the pack, and I need to reevaluate a lot of that today. I'm feeling torn on which person to target because I feel like there's the most evidence for Lainey, but having a more experienced wolf still around is dangerous for village. This was the thinking that led to my misyeeting MsP too, and I'm really, really doubting myself now because of it. IF I'm correct on both of them (and there's no guarantee of that, obviously, although I've been making a huge effort on wolf hunting, the results have been disappointing), do you think it's better to go for the more solid read at this point? That's how I'm leaning with time running out in the game for a village win.
 
Wow I fell asleep at like 9:20 or whatever waiting for yeet deadline. I can't believe everyone switched to Ms. P over Lainey and I will definitely bel looking at the people who drove that swing. Lainey was the better choice and I'm a little pissed that happened.

working on updating my spreadsheet is just making me angry. I have lost trust in so many of you.

I don't think it's really fair to not be present at yeet close and then monday morning quarterback

Are you trying to turn the tide here? Defending Genny?


Cray and Genny voting together

Genny moves like 15 mins out

not related to Cray but this triggered me seeing it again @Dinashadow

cray wants to go

me enlisting people to vote genny (even though sloth never did and became more sus for it)


Cray enlisting people to move off genny to april to save april

still funny tho


like 5 mins out, ready to change to April

again, me recruiting to make sure genny is yeeted

yeah we can tell how motivated you were....

Yeah I've been having similar thoughts about cray

Question, which of you were on Lainey last yeet, and moved to MsP? And why?

@sunshinefl do you know?

I clearly said why I moved. I announced it way before yeet close that I would be moving back to Msp if she showed up last minute. Her play was anti-village and you all agreed with that.

I don't know Dina's meta.

But Dubz sussed her, and MsP's dying breath said to look closely there as well. Besides myself (although I would argue I've been less effective in my vote-****ery) VCA looks worst here as well.

After losing genny I could totally see her taking out WZ and AM and then just letting/leading village to turn on the sus noobs left as an easy misyeet train to victory.

MsP didn't even vote for me :eyebrow: and I wouldn't take someone who barely played read of me as serious

@Crayola227 I'd love your thoughts on this before write up gets posted since it's my strong suspicion that either you or I will be NKed based on wolf hunting activity.

I am most confident at this point in my wolf read of Lainey. However, I'm starting to get more and more suspicious of Dina actually driving the pack, and I need to reevaluate a lot of that today. I'm feeling torn on which person to target because I feel like there's the most evidence for Lainey, but having a more experienced wolf still around is dangerous for village. This was the thinking that led to my misyeeting MsP too, and I'm really, really doubting myself now because of it. IF I'm correct on both of them (and there's no guarantee of that, obviously, although I've been making a huge effort on wolf hunting, the results have been disappointing), do you think it's better to go for the more solid read at this point? That's how I'm leaning with time running out in the game for a village win.

Are you serious? Cray's vote history is just as bad but I go into your wolf pile and she's for sure village? At least I didn't forget who I yeeted last night and then jumped on the Msp pile just in case she was a wolf
 
I don't think it's really fair to not be present at yeet close and then monday morning quarterback
Yeah, this annoyed me too. And it's not like we hadn't had conversations about MsP's play being anti-village over the last day cycle.
Are you serious? Cray's vote history is just as bad but I go into your wolf pile and she's for sure village? At least I didn't forget who I yeeted last night and then jumped on the Msp pile just in case she was a wolf
I have no idea what I think right now, that's why I want to redo a bunch of ISOs today. But I need to consider a more experienced player being in the wolf pack, whether it's you or kras or someone else.
 
I am most confident at this point in my wolf read of Lainey. However, I'm starting to get more and more suspicious of Dina actually driving the pack, and I need to reevaluate a lot of that today. I'm feeling torn on which person to target because I feel like there's the most evidence for Lainey, but having a more experienced wolf still around is dangerous for village. This was the thinking that led to my misyeeting MsP too, and I'm really, really doubting myself now because of it. IF I'm correct on both of them (and there's no guarantee of that, obviously, although I've been making a huge effort on wolf hunting, the results have been disappointing), do you think it's better to go for the more solid read at this point? That's how I'm leaning with time running out in the game for a village win.
Actually, @Dinashadow , I'd be curious to know your thoughts on this too if you take out your name and just read it like I'm asking about a more experienced player with much less evidence than the noob wolf.

I'm inclined to leave my vote where I feel there's more evidence today since last night's flip was disappointing.
 
I have no idea what I think right now, that's why I want to redo a bunch of ISOs today. But I need to consider a more experienced player being in the wolf pack, whether it's you or kras or someone else.

But not cray? 🤔

I might have to go back and read a game where she wolfed to see if power wolfing is part of her meta, because sunny brings up some good points

I also might be interested in going for alley.
 
Night 3


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After another wafflefest, the players felt the fatigue. They had felt so positive as Day 1 had ended after successfully finding an enemy. Now, they were feeling less so. No mutinous plots had been discussed. Yet.

When morning role call ended, the crew members went off in search of the missing. They found what was becoming all too common: a body burned beyond recognition.

Dead is @Crayola227 - Pirate, vanillager

As you prepare yourselves to vote, I propose an alteration to our schedule (due to the flurry of contingency votes). Day 4 will last *~12 hours* instead of the usual 36 hour cycle with vote/yeet ending at 10pm THIS EVENING if all players involved feel they had a chance to defend/analyze and the like. Participation posts will be somewhat scaled back and my request would be you make *5* posts in addition to your vote. Leniency will be shown. Tomorrow we will return to our regular day cycles (unless players WANT 12 hour day cycles).

10 players remain

2. @Dinashadow
4. @supershorty
5. @Aprilthearab
8. @alleycat03
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease
10. @LaineyLou
12. @sunshinefl
13. @kraskadva
14. @Viscernable
18. @Acehunter123

Dead/Lost to Sea/Space
7. @genny - Dragon, vanilla wolf
1. @Animal Midwife - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
3. @WildZoo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
15. @DrRoRo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
17. @PhiloslothicalStudent - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
11. @Zenge142 - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
6. @Ms Procrastinator - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
16. @Crayola227 - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager

It is now Day 4. Yeet/Vote deadline is at 10pm EST (9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland) TODAY, unless everyone objects!!

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But not cray? 🤔

I might have to go back and read a game where she wolfed to see if power wolfing is part of her meta, because sunny brings up some good points

I also might be interested in going for alley.
Given flip, no, and I was confident of my cray read.
 
This exchange reads almost like genny was saying ace was village and april was wolfy ..... if so, wonder what that means about Ace?
From what I understand, Genny loves to plant WIFOM, so I'm not sure if it can reliably mean anything at all.
But Ace currently has a vote on Lainey, and Lainey has a vote on MsP. Could be some grand noob bussing the whole pack plan, but it doesn't strike me as a strong strategy. Lainey has made herself seem much more wolfy to me in the last 2 days.
In light of MsP flipping village, I think this vote pattern makes much more sense. I know there are people who might disagree, but I think Lainey's post AND vote history are wolfier than Ace's, so it would make sense for Ace (village?) to have a vote on Lainey (wolf?) and Lainey (wolf?) to have a vote on MsP (village). No longer seems like some grand noob bussing plan. I still cannot see Ace/Lainey being w/w.
I was just reviewing my abridged voting progression records, and I want to hear from April about the Day 2 Lainey vote and sticking to it.
I was, and still am, suspicious of Lainey given her sketchtastic nooby posts, voting history, and evasion of questioning, which has been explained already. As far as I can tell, I've not got a single good reason Lainey should be village-read. I stayed on there that day because I didn't have a wolfier read at the time. I was suspicious about Sloth but was concerned at the complete lack of resistance to that yeet (see below). I moved to MsP the next cycle because the night I voted for Lainey was the night MsP jumped on and saved herself last-minute. It didn't lower Lainey on my sus list, but MsP moved to the top for that cycle. I was wrong about MsP, and now I want to seriously re-visit Lainey, especially since she's had significant suspicion put on her in the past two cycles yet is still alive and has not posted anything redeeming in that time.
I'm not feeling the huge sloth bandwagon. It worries me that the wolves would be so complacent. Maybe I'm just a huge softy, I don't know, but I can't convince myself to vote for Alley even though she would be my next wolf read. That being said, Lainey has been giving me wolfy vibes for a while, especially with the arguments she made that reminded me so much of the arguments our wolf pack made last game. Also keeping in mind that possible last minute Genny bus.

Yeet Lainey
 
Night 3


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After another wafflefest, the players felt the fatigue. They had felt so positive as Day 1 had ended after successfully finding an enemy. Now, they were feeling less so. No mutinous plots had been discussed. Yet.

When morning role call ended, the crew members went off in search of the missing. They found what was becoming all too common: a body burned beyond recognition.

Dead is @Crayola227 - Pirate, vanillager

As you prepare yourselves to vote, I propose an alteration to our schedule (due to the flurry of contingency votes). Day 4 will last *~12 hours* instead of the usual 36 hour cycle with vote/yeet ending at 10pm THIS EVENING if all players involved feel they had a chance to defend/analyze and the like. Participation posts will be somewhat scaled back and my request would be you make *5* posts in addition to your vote. Leniency will be shown. Tomorrow we will return to our regular day cycles (unless players WANT 12 hour day cycles).

10 players remain

2. @Dinashadow
4. @supershorty
5. @Aprilthearab
8. @alleycat03
9. @vetschoolsletmeinplease
10. @LaineyLou
12. @sunshinefl
13. @kraskadva
14. @Viscernable
18. @Acehunter123

Dead/Lost to Sea/Space
7. @genny - Dragon, vanilla wolf
1. @Animal Midwife - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
3. @WildZoo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
15. @DrRoRo - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
17. @PhiloslothicalStudent - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
11. @Zenge142 - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
6. @Ms Procrastinator - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager
16. @Crayola227 - Pirate, vanilla villager/vanillager

It is now Day 4. Yeet/Vote deadline is at 10pm EST (9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm fantasyland) TODAY, unless everyone objects!!

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I support 12 hour cycle.
 
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