This could be bad...

[Kuba]

I might have applied there if I'd known that... there was some small piece of admissions criteria that I didn't have fulfilled though, maybe it was a letter from a D.O., anyway, I'm inclined to stay in NY at this point. At any rate, competition doesn't bother me; lack of opportunity does.

yea, people tend to say NSU when talking about going into derm. apparently its a good program(probably with all the pts from the beaches.) anyway, I am sure NYCOM will open up some opportunities as well as any school if that is what you are referring to. They tend to graduate a lot of specialists.

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[Kuba]

all right i'm out for the night... see u guys

later

 

[Lals]

yea, people tend to say NSU when talking about going into derm. apparently its a good program(probably with all the pts from the beaches.) anyway, I am sure NYCOM will open up some opportunities as well as any school if that is what you are referring to. They tend to graduate a lot of specialists.

Thanks... yeah, accepted at NYCOM, several allopathic interviews pending. Really liked NYCOM; honestly the only thing that bothers me is the price, but c'est la vie, med school isn't cheap.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

Thanks... yeah, accepted at NYCOM, several allopathic interviews pending. Really liked NYCOM; honestly the only thing that bothers me is the price, but c'est la vie, med school isn't cheap.

yeaaa the tuition is freaking ridiculous, i turned down my interview there. It's just not for me, i also wanna do well on my boards and a lot of people forget that schools with a large class size is not really a great environment to start off your medical education. NYCOM has a large class and paying around 60k per year is such waste!

 

[DrBowtie]

From what I've read, You match into the DO Derm programs after completing your intern year not during 4th year. That's a lot of gamble to me.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember reading that over on the Derm boards.

 

[DoctorMom78]

acctually it would take me 6 years to get MD in Poland (they have a different program where you enter right out of hs).
And i am smart enough to figre when you are sarcastic, even if you try to use non sarcastic smileys (<----not a sarcastic smiley LOL...i love that...doctormom will come here any time and will laugh about the non-sarcastic smiley )

LMAO! Here I am to laugh at the "non-sarcastic smiley". I went to bed early last night because the kids have been sick and then I woke up to this. WTF?!?! LOL! Dr. Inviz, stop being so cranky! Is it because you have or have not gotten an acceptance....? Hmmm....maybe you just missed picking on me on IM last night.

Anyway, the truth is that I started looking at osteopathic schools because of my MCAT score. The reason for this was simply that I didn't really know much about osteopathic schools before because there are not a lot of DOs in around here. BUT, knowing what I know about osteopathic schools and osteopathic medicine now, I would ABSOLUTELY choose an osteopathic school over an allopathic school, and I would probably choose DCOM as my top choice. I think that it is the perfect fit for me because of the fact that I want to go into rural FM. I love the philosophy, the type of people that it attracts, and everything else about it. I really believe that things happen for a reason and I feel that I am meant to be at DCOM. I agree that there are certain residencies that may be hard to get into if you are a DO, but for me, that should not be an issue. Ultimately it is a personal choice and there is no right or wrong answer to the question.

 

[DoctorMom78]

yeaaa the tuition is freaking ridiculous, i turned down my interview there. It's just not for me, i also wanna do well on my boards and a lot of people forget that schools with a large class size is not really a great environment to start off your medical education. NYCOM has a large class and paying around 60k per year is such waste!

That was one of my major issues with the school. However, I was talked into going to the interview, but then withdrew because there is no way I could afford the COL and tuition there. However, for people wanting to specialize, I think that NYCOM is a great choice. The rotations were good and they have a high percentage of graduates that end up specializing. NYCOM was my only interview that I was not asked about why I wanted wanted to go into osteopathic medicine.

 

[MaximusD]

yeaaa the tuition is freaking ridiculous, i turned down my interview there. It's just not for me, i also wanna do well on my boards and a lot of people forget that schools with a large class size is not really a great environment to start off your medical education. NYCOM has a large class and paying around 60k per year is such waste!

Really... do you have any studies or non-anecdotal evidence to prove that large class size has a negative relationship with medical school and board score performance?

 

[Taus]

yeaaa the tuition is freaking ridiculous, i turned down my interview there. It's just not for me, i also wanna do well on my boards and a lot of people forget that schools with a large class size is not really a great environment to start off your medical education. NYCOM has a large class and paying around 60k per year is such waste!

things are going just fine at PCOM w/ our large class size....

 

[Taty]

Really... do you have any studies or non-anecdotal evidence to prove that large class size has a negative relationship with medical school and board score performance?

I think its all depends from the student...I mean board score

 

[toothless rufus]

That was one of my major issues with the school. However, I was talked into going to the interview, but then withdrew because there is no way I could afford the COL and tuition there.

Don't the schools beef up their budgets to accomodate these factors?

 

[DoctorMom78]

Don't the schools beef up their budgets to accomodate these factors?

You can only take out a certain amount of student loans and then you have to switch to some other funding source. No amount of "beefing up" would have helped provide enough money for me to live on Long Island with my husband, four kids, and two dogs.

 

[Kuba]

You can only take out a certain amount of student loans and then you have to switch to some other funding source. No amount of "beefing up" would have helped provide enough money for me to live on Long Island with my husband, four kids, and two dogs.

doesn't daddy work though?

 

[toothless rufus]

You can only take out a certain amount of student loans and then you have to switch to some other funding source. No amount of "beefing up" would have helped provide enough money for me to live on Long Island with my husband, four kids, and two dogs.

Err, do you mean money outside of the allotted student budget? I would think they would "ample it up" (gotta dance, yeah!) to match the COL. Or do you mean like grad plus loans, after maxing the usual federal?

doesn't daddy work though?

Oh, I imagine that being married to Dr. Mom is a full-time job!

...and two dogs

Two? Did you get another one?

 

[DoctorMom78]

LOL! Yes, he works, but doesn't make enough money for us to live down there. I guess he technically has two jobs since he is married to me. Yes, we got another dog, a Bassett Hound. Honestly, I didn't want to go to NYCOM anyway. It's a great school, but not the one for me.

 

[DrZeke]

To each and to their own, but I guess it's just like any other fringe element.....it interests some people.

LOL go to Howard, it actually has a good reputation.

And OP...would you mind telling us what your top choice DO school is?? If it's Debusk....you're a tool

 

[DrZeke]

LOL! Yes, he works, but doesn't make enough money for us to live down there. I guess he technically has two jobs since he is married to me. Yes, we got another dog, a Bassett Hound. Honestly, I didn't want to go to NYCOM anyway. It's a great school, but not the one for me.

Don't dogs cost money?

 

[DoctorMom78]

Don't dogs cost money?

Not as much as rent for a four bedroom apartment on Long Island!

 

[WALKE219]

Just my opinion, so take it or leave it...

I really find it interesting that people claim that 99% of people who have a great MCAT and GPA would choose a top tier MD school rather than a DO school. I don't totally believe this to be the case. Possibly the majority, but it begs the question "What is the benefit of attending a top tier MD school?"

Is it the astronomical tuition?
Is it the higher pay grade you will receive after graduation?
Is it the bragging rights among physicians?
Is it an attraction for patients to seek you out knowing you attended set school?

I think not. Every one of us who does complete school at ANY medical school will be referred to as Doctor. MD or DO doesn't really matter. It is easy enough to cite residencies that are, as someone put it, "untouchable" to DO, however, when it comes down to it, get the grades, score on the boards, and give them no choice whether or not to accept you. It is unreasonable to suggest that any student is in some way advantaged for attending a "top tier" medical school.

Put the time and effort into the board exams, get scores that blow your rivals out of the water, and it won't make a difference where you went to school.

I will be attending a DO school (MSU) and I actually did get accepted into a few top tier MD schools, I chose MSU because it is a great school, with great faculty, funding, facilities and great in state tuition. I feel as though four years from now, had I attended a "top tier" MD school, I would simply be in more debt.

I also don't see why people think it is so wrong that some people choose DO because of OMM.. It is simply a different way of healing, and an interest to many people. Suggesting that is a bad reason to choose a DO over an MD is pointless.

 

[AustinFinklea]

Just my opinion, so take it or leave it...

I really find it interesting that people claim that 99% of people who have a great MCAT and GPA would choose a top tier MD school rather than a DO school. I don't totally believe this to be the case. Possibly the majority, but it begs the question "What is the benefit of attending a top tier MD school?"

Is it the astronomical tuition?
Is it the higher pay grade you will receive after graduation?
Is it the bragging rights among physicians?
Is it an attraction for patients to seek you out knowing you attended set school?

I think not. Every one of us who does complete school at ANY medical school will be referred to as Doctor. MD or DO doesn't really matter. It is easy enough to cite residencies that are, as someone put it, "untouchable" to DO, however, when it comes down to it, get the grades, score on the boards, and give them no choice whether or not to accept you. It is unreasonable to suggest that any student is in some way advantaged for attending a "top tier" medical school.

Put the time and effort into the board exams, get scores that blow your rivals out of the water, and it won't make a difference where you went to school.

I will be attending a DO school (MSU) and I actually did get accepted into a few top tier MD schools, I chose MSU because it is a great school, with great faculty, funding, facilities and great in state tuition. I feel as though four years from now, had I attended a "top tier" MD school, I would simply be in more debt.

I also don't see why people think it is so wrong that some people choose DO because of OMM.. It is simply a different way of healing, and an interest to many people. Suggesting that is a bad reason to choose a DO over an MD is pointless.

Unless you are talking about In state tuition, there are many top-tier MD schools that are cheaper than some DO schools. The idea of MD schools being more expensive is purely not the case, all the time. Although I do agree with the rest of your post, the higher pay grade idea, just because you attended a MD school, is not accurate.

 

[Dr. Josh]

i know nothing about Howard, however, it is a "black" school ... from what I hear, they arent exactly top-notch institutions (basing this off of what i hear about Meharry; however, have heard better things about Howard). Top DO choice depends on what that choice is. If its PCOM or CCOM or somethin like that, you may have a decision to make. Ultimately, it comes down to you wanting to be recognized as an MD or a DO, take your pick and stick to your guns either way.

agreed. The question is the OP black and desiring to work in an underserved area. if the answer is yes to those two questions i'd say go to howard. if not, I think the OP would feel out of place and miserable and in that case should opt for DO.

 

[Kuba]

agreed. The question is the OP black and desiring to work in an underserved area. if the answer is yes to those two questions i'd say go to howard. if not, I think the OP would feel out of place and miserable and in that case should opt for DO.

it might be a good experience to feel like the minority...

 

[MJB]

LOL go to Howard, it actually has a good reputation.

And OP...would you mind telling us what your top choice DO school is?? If it's Debusk....you're a tool

Interesting.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Just my opinion, so take it or leave it...

I really find it interesting that people claim that 99% of people who have a great MCAT and GPA would choose a top tier MD school rather than a DO school. I don't totally believe this to be the case. Possibly the majority, but it begs the question "What is the benefit of attending a top tier MD school?"

Is it the astronomical tuition?
Is it the higher pay grade you will receive after graduation?
Is it the bragging rights among physicians?
Is it an attraction for patients to seek you out knowing you attended set school?

I think not. Every one of us who does complete school at ANY medical school will be referred to as Doctor. MD or DO doesn't really matter. It is easy enough to cite residencies that are, as someone put it, "untouchable" to DO, however, when it comes down to it, get the grades, score on the boards, and give them no choice whether or not to accept you. It is unreasonable to suggest that any student is in some way advantaged for attending a "top tier" medical school.

Put the time and effort into the board exams, get scores that blow your rivals out of the water, and it won't make a difference where you went to school.

I will be attending a DO school (MSU) and I actually did get accepted into a few top tier MD schools, I chose MSU because it is a great school, with great faculty, funding, facilities and great in state tuition. I feel as though four years from now, had I attended a "top tier" MD school, I would simply be in more debt.

I also don't see why people think it is so wrong that some people choose DO because of OMM.. It is simply a different way of healing, and an interest to many people. Suggesting that is a bad reason to choose a DO over an MD is pointless.

The average DO student often cites that being a poor test-taker is a reason for their low MCAT score. if this is the case, it likely wont be any different for those boards either ... going to an MD school means you dont exactly have to rape the boards to get into a good residency program.

 

[WALKE219]

My point with everything I said was that none of that matters.. MDS have no more respect than DO, have no more attraction for patients, and bragging rights is crazy once you are a doc. The point was, there IS no difference in pay... not that there is a difference.

The average DO student often cites that being a poor test-taker is a reason for their low MCAT score. if this is the case, it likely wont be any different for those boards either ... going to an MD school means you dont exactly have to rape the boards to get into a good residency program.

At the heart of that comment is your belief that DO students go to DO schools because they couldn't get into MD schools. Perhaps true in some cases, I wouldn't even call it the majority. So "the average DO student" is a gross overstatement.
I got a 39 on my MCAT and I will be a DO student.. DO or MD, you need to score well too get into a good residency. I fail to believe that MDs on average score less than their DO counterparts in the same residency. So saying simply that going to an MD school has any effect on residencies is absurd.. I don't feel that argument holds any water. Frankly, I think that it is entirely naive of you as an aspiring physician to somehow suggest that because someone is going into a DO program, they will have to get higher scores to be competitive in the same residencies.

 

[WALKE219]

As another point of contention with your statement, there is very little relevance between MCAT scores and board scores. In fact, if one scores simply a 25 on their MCAT they are shown to have no problem passing their board exams. Above the 25 mark, there is no evidence that a higher MCAT score eventually translates into a higher board exam score.

 

[Dr JPH]

The average DO student often cites that being a poor test-taker is a reason for their low MCAT score. if this is the case, it likely wont be any different for those boards either ... going to an MD school means you dont exactly have to rape the boards to get into a good residency program.

I didnt do so great on the MCAT

I did well on boards

I didnt have to rape anyone and I hope to get into a good residency

I am amazed you know so much

 

[naijagurl]

Nashville would actually have gotten you better rotations. However, I have heard from many Docs that Meharry is crap. DCOM isnt exactly a for-sure thing either. That decision is a crapshoot and comes down to you wanting a DO or an MD. I will not reveal my personal choice in this situation ...

100% in disagreement with this statement. I interviewed at the school and loved it. One of the Ortho surgeon (one of the best, smartest docs I have ever met) that lives here in Springfield graduated from Meharry so before u start putting down a school get several reliable and firsthand sources not just somebody told somebody else about so and so school. In addition, I also know many good docs who attended Meharry.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

I didnt do so great on the MCAT

I did well on boards

I didnt have to rape anyone and I hope to get into a good residency

I am amazed you know so much

You haven't even matched yet.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

Really... do you have any studies or non-anecdotal evidence to prove that large class size has a negative relationship with medical school and board score performance?

Well that's what i think, you can judge me if you want.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

things are going just fine at PCOM w/ our large class size....

well PCOM is one of my top choices, i was trying to focus on NYCOM's drawbacks but i didnt necessarily imply a large class size in every other school would be a disadvantage.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

I didnt do so great on the MCAT

I did well on boards

I didnt have to rape anyone and I hope to get into a good residency

I am amazed you know so much

Yeaa totally agree with you, dr.inviz needs to revise his opinions on his MD supremacy. Dr.inviz stop assuming so much crap, i have friends and family members who rocked the boards with mediocre SAT and mcat scores. So stop assuming so much, thanx!

 

[Lamborghini1315]

100% in disagreement with this statement. I interviewed at the school and loved it. One of the Ortho surgeon (one of the best, smartest docs I have ever met) that lives here in Springfield graduated from Meharry so before u start putting down a school get several reliable and firsthand sources not just somebody told somebody else about so and so school. In addition, I also know many good docs who attended Meharry.

Dr.inviz you getting on my nerves bro,you seriously have the most stupidest opinions on this site..no offense think for once.

 

[jbone]

Dr.inviz you getting on my nerves bro,you seriously have the most stupidest opinions on this site..no offense think for once.

 

[WALKE219]

I am so happy some people have spoke up about his/her opinions. I seriously have not seen one intelligent comment made.

Congrats on doing well on the boards, I hope you place well!!

You seem to be noticing that he has not placed YET, but I see "Medical School Class of 2012" What school is it you are accepted to that you will be attending?

 

[Kuba]

You haven't even matched yet.

you haven't done anything yet

 

[WALKE219]

Dr.inviz you getting on my nerves bro,you seriously have the most stupidest opinions on this site..no offense think for once.

I totally agree with you, but "most stupidest"? hmmm...

 

[Dr JPH]

you haven't done anything yet

Haha

OWNED

I match in less than 48 hours

You're still taking college calculus

Dont worry...I wont make you call me "Doctor" when you are my medical student and I am your attending.

 

[Taty]

Haha

OWNED

I match in less than 48 hours

You're still taking college calculus

Dont worry...I wont make you call me "Doctor" when you are my medical student and I am your attending.

I will take u as mine attending I am interested in PCOM general surgery residency

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Dr.inviz you getting on my nerves bro,you seriously have the most stupidest opinions on this site..no offense think for once.

speak for yourself ... learn some english. wow, future doc and you speak like this. that comment alone negates ANY of your comments towards myself.

all i read off of you is pathetic idealism. get in touch with reality some.

 

[NickRiviera]

speak for yourself ... learn some english. wow, future doc and you speak like this. that comment alone negates ANY of your comments towards myself.

all i read off of you is pathetic idealism. get in touch with reality some.

Ha, he makes a real comment about your bad posts and you come back at him by ripping on his grammar? You're a winner.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Haha

OWNED

I match in less than 48 hours

You're still taking college calculus

Dont worry...I wont make you call me "Doctor" when you are my medical student and I am your attending.

wrong. completed that in HS.

oh right, you didnt attempt allopathic match. either way, let us all know how the match goes. i am sure you will match somewhere. good luck.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Ha, he makes a real comment about your bad posts and you come back at him by ripping on his grammar? You're a winner.

i seem to understand that effective communication is a requirement for doctors, i guess mediocrity is enough for you. oh, and spare me on the "realness" of his comment.

PS: to the meharry sympathizer, 1 doctor does not make a med school awesome.

alrighty, im done with the thread.

 

[Taus]

i seem to understand that effective communication is a requirement for doctors, i guess mediocrity is enough for you. oh, and spare me on the "realness" of his comment.

PS: to the meharry sympathizer, 1 doctor does not make a med school awesome.

alrighty, im done with the thread.

Is it really enjoyable to continually come on this website and make negative comments in just about every one of your posts?

Btw...aren't you the same guy who started a sob-story post a few weeks ago pleading for real advice.... and then went to blame that situation for your behavior on this site?

 

[FizbanZymogen]

wrong. completed that in HS.

oh right, you didnt attempt allopathic match. either way, let us all know how the match goes. i am sure you will match somewhere. good luck.

Dr.Inviz, why are you dogging JP? He's the one guy on here who really know his S!%t. I will start medical school this fall and haven't been yet so I will limit my responses to general knowledge/personal experience. You really need to do the same bro.

JPHazelton, best of luck on your match. I'm sure you will get into something awesome with your scores and training.

 

[Dr JPH]

oh right, you didnt attempt allopathic match.

Nope. No need. Dually accredited programs for me. As a DO student I get to find out a whole month earlier...why apply to lesser programs and have to wait until March? Also remember as a DO if you are good enough you can sign outside the match. I have friends who have been in an allopathic program since November.

Thanks for all the well wishes everyone. As you know I am always here to help all of you in any way that I can. Except for DrI. Im going to pimp the hell out of him when he is a med student. Make him cry!

 

[toothless rufus]

Yes, we got another dog, a Bassett Hound.

Awww, basset hounds are cute! Got any pics?

 

[DoctorMom78]

Awww, basset hounds are cute! Got any pics?

Of course! His name is Fred.

 

[HunterGatherer]

Good luck JP.

Someone close this thread. It did not even get off to a good start and the title begs for a flame war.

 

[toothless rufus]

Of course! His name is Fred.

Yep! Fred is a cute little bugger!