Trump just got murdered IMO.

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I am disappoint.

Mods, don't move this thread please. I don't wan to hear what the Lolcatz in gen pop have to say.

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Pun regarding allegations of Hillary critics turning up dead intended?
 
He was doing decently the first 1/3 of the debate but then sort of flew off the handle. He kept saying things like "please, go ask Hannity- I'm not a liar" or "I'm not racist. I have a great property in florida, one of the the richest places in the country and they let all sorts of blacks in." Lol- paraphrasing but he did sound *****ic at times.


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He was doing decently the first 1/3 of the debate but then sort of flew off the handle. He kept saying things like "please, go ask Hannity- I'm not a liar" or "I'm not racist. I have a great property in florida, one of the the richest places in the country and they let all sorts of blacks in." Lol- paraphrasing but he did sound *****ic at times.
If you were quoting him verbatim he wouldn't have sounded half as crazy as he actually did.
 
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I am 100% better at the calculated response to a questionable statement than Trump was during that debacle.

All he had to say with regard to cybersecurity was: "Clearly, Miss Secretary doesn't have any difficulty with not telling the truth on cybersecurity and e-mails." Boom.

All he had to say with regard to a "presidential look" was: "I'll bet that red dress is made out of the same red tape that has been strangling our economy." Double Boom.

All he had to say in response to "you called a Latina girl mean things once upon a time" was: "Yeah, I said nasty things about one of your supporters. I'm sorry. You just called half of my supporters "deplorables". Are you sorry?" TKO.


I had all these while she was still spitting out her sentences, for real.
 
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Doesn't matter. She wants to raise my taxes. The End.

Exactly. I'm a one issue voter when it comes to the presidency. That and I refuse to vote for someone who I think is a bad person. Too bad neither of the people I'm considering voting for was in the debate.
 
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Exactly. I'm a one issue voter when it comes to the presidency. That and I refuse to vote for someone who I think is a bad person. Too bad neither of the people I'm considering voting for was in the debate.

I would suggest to all people who are considering a 3rd party candidate such as Gary Johnson or Jill Stein to vote for them. Especially if you live in a state which is already leaning strongly towards Clinton or Trump. If a 3rd party candidate gets 5% of the vote, they will secure federal funding for future Presidential elections. It's not wasting a vote.

Not sure which way your state is leaning? Start here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
 
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I use my presidential vote to suggest these lolcatz be moved to where this thread belongs. :lame:
Boo - I want to know the specific political opinions of Emergency Medicine physicians!

How do you feel about this, politically and otherwise? ACEP issued this statement: http://www.thecentralline.com/?p=3214

But shortly before that had issued this statement, which they then scrubbed off the intarwebs and replaced with the above:

"Emergency physicians every day care for all patients who enter the doors of our emergency departments regardless of their race, religion, or beliefs. The American College of Emergency Physicians, representing more than 37,000 of those physicians, has been deeply distressed by the ever more apparent sense of divisiveness and bias being demonstrated in our society. The recent shooting deaths of African American men by police in Tulsa, Okla. and Charlotte, N.C., just months after similar violence in Baton Rouge, La. and St. Paul, Minn. are appalling evidence of the prejudice which has been directed toward those who are black.

In addition, the lawless shooting and killing of police officers in Dallas, Texas and Baton Rouge, La. and others who wear blue in the line of duty is unconscionable. As the physicians who most often care first for all victims of violent injury, we call for an end to all forms of gun violence. Our prayers go out to the families of all those who have been slain or injured.

ACEP joins with other professional physician organizations in supporting the institution of measures that will prevent the continued loss of life and the eradication of racial prejudice in the enforcement of law. It is irrational that people of color or different religious beliefs cannot walk their own streets without fearing of violence against them and the sudden loss of life. We must confront the role of racism and bigotry in our culture, and we must not allow those who promote continued escalation of hate, anger and violence to divide us."

Discuss.
 
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I use my presidential vote to suggest these lolcatz be moved to where this thread belongs. :lame:

Thread belongs here because I don't care what the teenagers in sociopolitical issues who are up past their bedtime have to say. The EM forum is well known as the best one on here for good reason. Let's make this forum great again.
 
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So ya don't think the forum is great anymore. Lol.
 
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Boo - I want to know the specific political opinions of Emergency Medicine physicians!

How do you feel about this, politically and otherwise? ACEP issued this statement: http://www.thecentralline.com/?p=3214

But shortly before that had issued this statement, which they then scrubbed off the intarwebs and replaced with the above:

"Emergency physicians every day care for all patients who enter the doors of our emergency departments regardless of their race, religion, or beliefs. The American College of Emergency Physicians, representing more than 37,000 of those physicians, has been deeply distressed by the ever more apparent sense of divisiveness and bias being demonstrated in our society. The recent shooting deaths of African American men by police in Tulsa, Okla. and Charlotte, N.C., just months after similar violence in Baton Rouge, La. and St. Paul, Minn. are appalling evidence of the prejudice which has been directed toward those who are black.

In addition, the lawless shooting and killing of police officers in Dallas, Texas and Baton Rouge, La. and others who wear blue in the line of duty is unconscionable. As the physicians who most often care first for all victims of violent injury, we call for an end to all forms of gun violence. Our prayers go out to the families of all those who have been slain or injured.

ACEP joins with other professional physician organizations in supporting the institution of measures that will prevent the continued loss of life and the eradication of racial prejudice in the enforcement of law. It is irrational that people of color or different religious beliefs cannot walk their own streets without fearing of violence against them and the sudden loss of life. We must confront the role of racism and bigotry in our culture, and we must not allow those who promote continued escalation of hate, anger and violence to divide us."

Discuss.

I'm surprised they didn't outright say they were for gun control. Do you guys get to vote on issues that ACEP comments on?
 
So ya don't think the forum is great anymore. Lol.

This forum has sustained periods of greatness, interrupted by periods where one of us bumps the "This Forum Has Become..." thread authored by Birdstrike.

To stay great, it needs input from valued members and respectable new voices. You'll get neither of those if this goes to that place where rational, mature thought goes to die in favor of "I saw this on MTV once."
 
I thought he got murdered too. I thought all he had to do to "win" was to act gentlemanly/presidential and let her continue to lie using that shrill voice. Instead he showed his buffoonery.

But apparently I was wrong. Most of the online reader polls I've seen, including CNBC & Time, show he stomped her.
 
I wouldn't necessarily say he got murdered but it was far from the kind of debate performance he would have needed to provide that he can act presidential/dignified.

Does anyone else cringe at the awkwardness when Hillary tries to make a joke? Every line is so forced and really sounds like it was rehearsed in front of a mirror 200X. Maybe were just too used to Obama who, like him or not, is a natural public speaker. I think she's more awkward than George W.

Overall I doubt that debate changed anyone's mind about who they would vote for.
 
Moving to SPF.
 
If you seriously move this, I'm more disapppointed in mods here than I am in the debate. We asked this not to move.
 
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My hope is that in the next debate he hammers her where he needs to. I was mystified how he didn't bring up her e-mail problems during the cyber-security segment. He also passed on bringing up the Clinton Foundation when discussing her experience. Maybe he is saving this for the next debate? One hopes he isn't that stupid to overlook these.

Even though Clinton "Won", the subset of voters that Trump is targeting and who need to turn out is blue-collar white men with no college education. His rhetoric will be very popularly received by them. He speaks like they do, so they can relate. Hillary speaks like a she is full of circuits and transistors. Does anyone know what her policy vision for America is besides continuing the soft socialism of Obama?
 
He got clobbered. But whether that matters for the Teflon Trump remains to be seen.

I'm not for either of them. In regards to medicine (the practice & the paycheck), I'll get beat by Hillary... but DT's social stances are downright deplorable. As much as I want to vote for my bottom line, I couldn't look my kids in the eyes if I choose DT.

This may be the first, and hopefully the last (though given the current political trajectory, doubtfully so) time I have to vote for the person least likely to f*ck up this country I love long enough for someone better to rise in 4 years.

I honestly just fear for what kind of society my kids will grow up in if the electorate chooses the American Putin.

Either way, the Pax Americana is dead.

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He got clobbered. But whether that matters for the Teflon Trump remains to be seen.

I'm not for either of them. In regards to medicine (the practice & the paycheck), I'll get beat by Hillary... but DT's social stances are downright deplorable. As much as I want to vote for my bottom line, I couldn't look my kids in the eyes if I choose DT.

This may be the first, and hopefully the last (though given the current political trajectory, doubtfully so) time I have to vote for the person least likely to f*ck up this country I love long enough for someone better to rise in 4 years.

I honestly just fear for what kind of society my kids will grow up in if the electorate chooses the American Putin.

Either way, the Pax Americana is dead.

Semper Brunneis Pallium

What social policies of Trump don't you like? As far as I can tell he's generally supportive of gays, and LEGAL minorities in the U.S. On the subject of abortion he's probably more to the left on the issue than any Republican candidate in recent memory. I like his economic policy. If we hire Donald Trump it's for one thing only: to fix the economy. It's about time we have someone who understands business actually run the country. I thought his simple statement of "I'm Smart" for not paying taxes is poignant. My goal is to to pay the fewest taxes possible. If I could use legal measures and loopholes to get it down to zero, so much the better.
 
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What social policies of Trump don't you like? As far as I can tell he's generally supportive of gays, and LEGAL minorities in the U.S. On the subject of abortion he's probably more to the left on the issue than any Republican candidate in recent memory. I like his economic policy. If we hire Donald Trump it's for one thing only: to fix the economy. It's about time we have someone who understands business actually run the country. I thought his simple statement of "I'm Smart" for not paying taxes is poignant. My goal is to to pay the fewest taxes possible. If I could use legal measures and loopholes to get it down to zero, so much the better.

I'm not sure that legal minorities would agree with your statement regarding him being "generally supportive".

Given your goal of least tax possible, I doubt there is anything short of Trump threatening to make killing you and your family his first act in office that would make you change your mind. However, income inequality has real measurable effects on the health of all citizens. It's not good for the nation to develop a large, hopeless underclass and I don't see how Trump's proposed economic policies doesn't make things worse. It's extremely unlikely that any of the major economic policies Clinton is advancing would survive the House and/or Senate in their current form. At worst the country ends up with some social policy changes that are have a mild influence on growth (which may be positive or negative). Trump's policies would decimate the nation's tax base and given a Republican controlled Congress would be far more likely to pass. All of that presupposes that what Trump is saying is what he actually intends to do, which given the study that found that about 50% of what he says is wrong/lies is probably being generous.
 
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I'm not sure that legal minorities would agree with your statement regarding him being "generally supportive".

Given your goal of least tax possible, I doubt there is anything short of Trump threatening to make killing you and your family his first act in office that would make you change your mind. However, income inequality has real measurable effects on the health of all citizens. It's not good for the nation to develop a large, hopeless underclass and I don't see how Trump's proposed economic policies doesn't make things worse. It's extremely unlikely that any of the major economic policies Clinton is advancing would survive the House and/or Senate in their current form. At worst the country ends up with some social policy changes that are have a mild influence on growth (which may be positive or negative). Trump's policies would decimate the nation's tax base and given a Republican controlled Congress would be far more likely to pass. All of that presupposes that what Trump is saying is what he actually intends to do, which given the study that found that about 50% of what he says is wrong/lies is probably being generous.
What @Arcan57 said. One can be for "legal immigration" without being alienating towards large swaths of ethnicities/religions/genders/body types/etc.

One can be for tighter tax codes and more appropriate spending without destroying the tax base.

If elected, in 4 (or 8 <shudder>) years, there would be such an elected backlash against his policies as to shove the Fed so far left as to be at zero degrees... and what does one think the disenfranchised majority will do then? Tax the hades out of all of us... or worse.

Plus, think of the cross-generational effect on the Judicial Branch. The next president is looking at 2, possibly 3 vacancies... the sheer thought of DT's nominees makes me cringe. Not saying HRC would be better, but more likely to be moderates or only slightly left of center, and make for a better SCOTUS.

HRC is far from perfect, but she also won't light a match in the coal mine, ya dig? Any other year, or almost any other candidate not named Donald and I'd be tempted... but the law of unintended consequences can be quite a fickle b*tch.

Just my 0.02,
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Exactly. I'm a one issue voter when it comes to the presidency. That and I refuse to vote for someone who I think is a bad person. Too bad neither of the people I'm considering voting for was in the debate.

White Coat, can I ask you an indelicate question? I normally wouldn't be so blunt about it, but I've come to respect your opinion, so this troubles me somewhat. If the ONLY choices were Hillary and Trump, and you couldn't sit out or write Gary Johnson in or whatever... if you HAD to pick one of them, would you really pick Trump?
 
Are you suggesting that the simplest and most rational way to reduce gun violence would be gun control?

I'm not saying that at all. I would get a CCW if I were able to. I'm just saying they said they were against gun violence (duh, everyone is) but it seems like what they were trying to say they were for gun control. But didn't.
 
The government can't do anything to change "inequality" nor should it. In fact, I advocate for exactly equal treatment of all citizens by the government, with regards to income, race, gender, etc. Inequality has always existed in society, and will never go away. To think that government bureaucrats can legislate it out of existence is folly. The only thing that reduces (but can never eliminated) the difference is social classes is good paying jobs. Welfare arguably makes inequality worse. We need have increased economic growth, decrease welfare, and get people to work. Taking from one group and giving to another in order to fight "inequality" has never worked, and just ends up making everyone poorer. That's how it works in Venezuela.
 
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Thread belongs here because I don't care what the teenagers in sociopolitical issues who are up past their bedtime have to say. The EM forum is well known as the best one on here for good reason. Let's make this forum great again.

Hmm, a lot of the people I see posting in there are verified physicians, and final year med students. Also I'm quite open about being a left wing democratic socialist and I've never been trolled, insulted, talked down to, or anything of the sort in SPF. I must be doing something wrong? :thinking:
 
Hmm, a lot of the people I see posting in there are verified physicians, and final year med students. Also I'm quite open about being a left wing democratic socialist and I've never been trolled, insulted, talked down to, or anything of the sort in SPF. I must be doing something wrong? :thinking:

None of us here really want to sift thru medical student/pre-professional student/high-school student up past their bedtime posts to find the ones that might have some validity.
Also, as posted above - we're interested in what our set has to say. EPs think in a certain way.
 
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None of us here really want to sift thru medical student/pre-professional student/high-school student up past their bedtime posts to find the ones that might have some validity.
Also, as posted above - we're interested in what our set has to say. EPs think in a certain way.

Fair enough, that's understandable. :)
 
I'm starting to think that Americans should pass a basic political knowledge test before being allowed to register to vote or take part in primaries. Simple stuff. The role of the presidency, branches of government, formal positions of candidates/parties. Maybe even some other stuff like basic breakdown of federal budget, candidates past experience, etc.

Pardon the elitism...but there is a good portion of stupid, ill informed people in this country that seem to dictate the discussion and agenda. On both sides of the spectrum.

I think certain rights dictate certain responsibilities.

Thoughts?
 
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What kills me is that the core GOP primary voters (which I am not, and never will be) keep putting up unreasonable candidates for the sake of media attention i.e. palin, trump. Now Hillary will get a "mandate" which in reality is due to the other guy being the potential harbinger of nuclear winter. And 4 years from now the repubs will overcorrect with somebody completely milquetoast and bland, and Hillary wins again. GOP sucks at picking presidential candidates.
 
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I'm starting to think that Americans should pass a basic political knowledge test before being allowed to register to vote or take part in primaries. Simple stuff. The role of the presidency, branches of government, formal positions of candidates/parties. Maybe even some other stuff like basic breakdown of federal budget, candidates past experience, etc.

Pardon the elitism...but there is a good portion of stupid, ill informed people in this country that seem to dictate the discussion and agenda. On both sides of the spectrum.

I think certain rights dictate certain responsibilities.

Thoughts?

Sounds like a good idea, but it would almost certainly become a mechanism by which the ruling class would protect its own interests by excluding dissenting opinions.
 
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I'm starting to think that Americans should pass a basic political knowledge test before being allowed to register to vote or take part in primaries. Simple stuff. The role of the presidency, branches of government, formal positions of candidates/parties. Maybe even some other stuff like basic breakdown of federal budget, candidates past experience, etc.

Pardon the elitism...but there is a good portion of stupid, ill informed people in this country that seem to dictate the discussion and agenda. On both sides of the spectrum.

I think certain rights dictate certain responsibilities.

Thoughts?

I've said this on here for years.
 
somebody completely milquetoast and bland

It wouldn't have taken anything more than that to beat HRC this cycle. Or, perhaps not – a worthy president Trump might not be, but he certainly is a better pitchman in his own way than most alternative candidates would be.

I appreciate what some of the folks cheering for Trump represent. Unfortunately, in some ways, they have been deliberately misled by conspiracy-based right-wing media. A characterization of "liberal bias" in the "left-wing media" as a method of discounting facts and reality is an impressive and durable accomplishment – all of which came back to bite them in the ass during the GOP primary.

Some of HRC's flaws are real, and some are the product of years worth of anti-Clinton smear and planning just to defeat her this election.

Back on topic (since it's apparently sticking around here), she did clearly "win" the debate by most accounts. Whether she won the debate in the eyes of the truly undecided is another matter entirely, as is whether a debate win serves as a reliable surrogate for an improvement in her electoral college performance.

I would probably guess this debate was most successful at solidifying her base for turnout (e.g., attacks on Trump's statements regarding women) and for voicing progressive policies to try and get back the Sanders democrats and other democrats defecting to third parties in protest. Regardless of your opinion of his debate performance, I don't see this as expanding Trump's appeal beyond those already committed to him.
 
Trump is a skeevy, sexist, and racist fraudster:

 
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