United health care ceo shot dead

[Iso4ane]

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Most, if not all, of us are at the very least in the 97-98th percentile for income in the U.S. We are rich. Any other take is delusional.

For real we’re definitely not poor. Most of us should be nearly 2 standard deviations above average in terms of salary and compared to normal folk we are very privileged. We just happened to be in a spot we can see those that are above us and how much of a larger gap that can be.

 

[ryanjmy]

When it comes to “eat the rich,” just remember that the class of people most likely to do this sees us evil doctors as the rich.

I think we’re seen as the good guys. You never hear Bernie talking about how actors and athletes make too much money. The mob isn’t coming after snoop dog.

 

[abolt18]

Apparently the found what they think is "the" backpack, and it was full of MONOPOLY MONEY! Unreal.

 

[dchz]

I mean, that guy took out the CEO in a planned attack. If he really wanted to inflict max pain, he could have taken out the wife, kids.... How about the kid's school?

He's been separated from his wife.

Also I would trade vigilante killing for school shootings any day or the week. Twice on Wednesdays.

 

[NumTacos]

 

[DocMcCoy]

Suspect in custody…

Police Arrest ‘Strong Person of Interest’ in UnitedHealthcare CEO's Killing: Live Updates

The man, Luigi Mangione, was arrested in Altoona, Pa., on gun charges after he was spotted in a McDonald’s. He was carrying a handwritten manifesto criticizing health insurance companies, law enforcement officials said.

www.nytimes.com

 

[deleted87051]

News reports say that the police did not have his name before the arrest. The man is from Maryland, went to college in Pennsylvania, later lived in San Francisco, and now has a Honolulu address. He is 26.

I suspect that he does not have a sick relative who whose prior authorization was denied but just generally hates insurance companies.

Reportedly was valedictorian at the Gilman School, an all boys prep school in Baltimore, then graduated from Penn.

I wonder why Eric Adams said they have a name.

Why do you think he didn’t have a sick relative?

Who is Luigi Mangione? High school valedictorian ID'd as suspect in CEO killing

Police arrested a 26-year-old man on Monday in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, gunned down on a busy midtown Manhattan sidewalk last Wednesday morning.

www.nbcnewyork.com

https://twitter.com/pepmangione?s=21&t=Y2RbdIvLlV95dLVHwZkaaA

 

[DocMcCoy]

Reportedly was valedictorian at the Gilman School, an all boys prep school in Baltimore, then graduated from Penn.

I wonder why Eric Adams said they have a name.

Why do you think he didn’t have a sick relative?

Who is Luigi Mangione? High school valedictorian ID'd as suspect in CEO killing

Police arrested a 26-year-old man on Monday in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, gunned down on a busy midtown Manhattan sidewalk last Wednesday morning.

www.nbcnewyork.com

https://twitter.com/pepmangione?s=21&t=Y2RbdIvLlV95dLVHwZkaaA

I’m actually glad they got him alive. I thought he might of offed himself by now. Probably wants his story heard.

 

[sloh]

Mental breakdown or schizophrenia? Went MIA couple months ago

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[Maverikk]

addiction to fast food and starbucks will do you in

 

[narcotics999]

Just a theory but a theory that is probably incorrect. News reports are that his grandmother died in 2013 and his grandfather died in 2017. They may have had problems with UHC.

This guy might have had potential to be a doctor but now will be in prison for a long time. He was a high school valedictorian, which is more than I can say about my high school grades and the poor reputation of my high school. His brain power of planning a killing could have been put to better use with all the numbers generated in the ICU.

He is a software engineer. Why does he need to be a doctor? He can still do programming and run his website in the jail.

 

[pgg]

Reportedly was valedictorian at the Gilman School, an all boys prep school in Baltimore, then graduated from Penn.

I wonder why Eric Adams said they have a name.

Why do you think he didn’t have a sick relative?

Who is Luigi Mangione? High school valedictorian ID'd as suspect in CEO killing

Police arrested a 26-year-old man on Monday in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, gunned down on a busy midtown Manhattan sidewalk last Wednesday morning.

www.nbcnewyork.com

https://twitter.com/pepmangione?s=21&t=Y2RbdIvLlV95dLVHwZkaaA

So maybe a homemade Glock clone and probably a homemade suppressor ... and he didn't even have the sense to get rid of them.

Gonna miss the theories about professional assassins and Welrods.

 

[deleted641888]

UPS drivers are potentially richer.

I read on social media (ha ha) that UPS drivers earn $170k per year. By the time that doctors finish training and still have massive student loans, the UPS driver may have made over $2 million in wages and benefits. Afterwards, the UPS driver continues to make almost as much as some pediatricians and have next to no liability. Package stolen and they don't get sued for malpractice. If the UPS driver is a prudent investor they could invest $500,000, with parts of it starting at age 18 and then have over $10 million by age 65.

Cool. Doesn’t make us not rich.

 

[anonperson]

UPS drivers are potentially richer.

I read on social media (ha ha) that UPS drivers earn $170k per year. By the time that doctors finish training and still have massive student loans, the UPS driver may have made over $2 million in wages and benefits. Afterwards, the UPS driver continues to make almost as much as some pediatricians and have next to no liability. Package stolen and they don't get sued for malpractice. If the UPS driver is a prudent investor they could invest $500,000, with parts of it starting at age 18 and then have over $10 million by age 65.

That is 170k total compensation.

Cash compensation is less.

And they aren't making Max money to start. They have entry level pay just like doctors have resident pay.

 

[ucladoc2b]

Mental breakdown or schizophrenia? Went MIA couple months ago

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Looks like he is on PEDs.

 

[crna2006]

So maybe a homemade Glock clone and probably a homemade suppressor ... and he didn't even have the sense to get rid of them.

Gonna miss the theories about professional assassins and Welrods.

Welrod?

 

[deleted87051]

His X account had around 6500 followers when I looked earlier today. Now it’s up to 165k. What a world.

 

[pgg]

Welrod?

Welrod - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Obscure WWII era silenced bolt action assassin pistol, with a modern remake available out there (B&T Station Six; NFA registration and ATF tax stamp required) that for some reason certain corners of the press were touting as the murder weapon despite it being clear after about 4 seconds watching the potato-filmed surveillance video that it absolutely positively wasn't one.

One of those weird stories and rumors that just got wings and took off.

 

[pgg]

UPS drivers are potentially richer.

I read on social media (ha ha) that UPS drivers earn $170k per year. By the time that doctors finish training and still have massive student loans, the UPS driver may have made over $2 million in wages and benefits. Afterwards, the UPS driver continues to make almost as much as some pediatricians and have next to no liability. Package stolen and they don't get sued for malpractice. If the UPS driver is a prudent investor they could invest $500,000, with parts of it starting at age 18 and then have over $10 million by age 65.

UPS isn't a bad gig -

My brother drove for them for a while before and during medical school, because the pay was good, the hours were flexible, and they had some kind of tuition assistance program thing.

Do the math. It's overstating things to talk UPS drivers getting rich. Even if they did make $170K gross (take home $120K depending on state?) and even if they somehow saved fully half of that, in their first 10 years of work that doctors write off as educational opportunity cost, that's still only $600K (plus expected growth).

 

[Iso4ane]

With all the supposed planning by the killer, all this seems awfully convenient.


I hope if one of us is murdered, people will start a multistate manhunt for the killer.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Welrod - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Obscure WWII era silenced bolt action assassin pistol, with a modern remake available out there (B&T Station Six; NFA registration and ATF tax stamp required) that for some reason certain corners of the press were touting as the murder weapon despite it being clear after about 4 seconds watching the potato-filmed surveillance video that it absolutely positively wasn't one.

One of those weird stories and rumors that just got wings and took off.

par for the course when the media does their “research”. Waxing poetic on a topic they know surprisingly little about, but think they know everything.

 

[deleted87051]

The manifesto is gonna be fun.

 

[aneftp]

UPS isn't a bad gig -

My brother drove for them for a while before and during medical school, because the pay was good, the hours were flexible, and they had some kind of tuition assistance program thing.

Do the math. It's overstating things to talk UPS drivers getting rich. Even if they did make $170K gross (take home $120K depending on state?) and even if they somehow saved fully half of that, in their first 10 years of work that doctors write off as educational opportunity cost, that's still only $600K (plus expected growth).

Some of the older ones for lucky with stocks. My wife uncle in Tennessee retired age 54. No college degree. Some college. Just low level logistics managed. Has 65 foot “boat” he keeps upgrading. He’s 66 now. Goes back to ups during holiday busy season to help out out of boredom or just hang out with his old friends.

Nurse at hospital her husband is 52. He’s Been with ups for 30 years. He’s got his pension. Healthcare is great. She doesn’t even take the hospital generous healthcare. But you are correct. Most are not rich. Modest home.

 

[sloh]

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Chronic back pain will make you insane, especially when you spiral down procedures on procedures

 

[crna2006]

Welrod - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Obscure WWII era silenced bolt action assassin pistol, with a modern remake available out there (B&T Station Six; NFA registration and ATF tax stamp required) that for some reason certain corners of the press were touting as the murder weapon despite it being clear after about 4 seconds watching the potato-filmed surveillance video that it absolutely positively wasn't one.

One of those weird stories and rumors that just got wings and took off.

Thankyou

 

[dchz]

Now we know why his gun kept jamming. It was a 3D printed ghost gun.

 

[anonperson]

Under the old contract, entry level drivers made $85,000 and those with 10 years made $110,000 but under the new contract, the 10 year veterans make top pay.

My UPS driver just bought his 2nd Cadillac Escalade. He said the new one has every option, unlike his first one. That's a >$100,000 vehicle.

In the above quote, if the 10 year veteran is ahead by $600,000 at age 28 (let's say 30), by the time he is 60, that $600,000 could grow to $5 million. Added to that if they save $25,000 per year, they could have $8 million saved by retirement age. In contrast, a doctor told me a few years ago that he is 60 years old, wants $5 million for retirement, but is no where close to that.

In one city, the municipal power company has a badly negotiated contract where workers get overtime pay for their entire shift if they work even 1 minute of overtime. As a result, several employees make nearly $300,000 and quite a few make over $200,000 plus generous health insurance benefits.

A lawyer that I worked with charges $600/hour. If he can manage 20 billable hours per week, that is $624,000/year and no insurance to deal with, no real malpractice threat, no recourse for unnecessary work manufactured (legal unnecessary surgery).

On top of that, Medicare is cutting payments in 2025, not increasing them. The federal government bans doctors from unionizing to negotiate with UHC, Aetna, Medicare, etc.

Most physicians are millionaires and if not can easily get there.

You choosing some random physician who is 60 and bad with money does not really prove anything.

Neither does your hypothetical UPS driver who is a millionaire.

I'm sure it's possible but it's probably easier being a physician.

I still think physicians are vastly underpaid for the work and liability they take on.

 

[anonperson]

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Rumor but interesting.

I'm not a fan of any CEO in general but to shoot a person like that is cruel. To see people's reactions and how they were celebrating has been bizarre.

As physicians, we are targets like this also.

Heart doctor to George HW Bush dies in bicycle shooting

Dr Mark Hausknecht was riding through Houston medical complex when another cyclist opened fire

www.theguardian.com

All it takes is one disgruntled family member. And we will know how nuts certain patients are.

 

[aneftp]

Most physicians are millionaires and if not can easily get there.

You choosing some random physician who is 60 and bad with money does not really prove anything.

Neither does your hypothetical UPS driver who is a millionaire.

I'm sure it's possible but it's probably easier being a physician.

I still think physicians are vastly underpaid for the work and liability they take on.

Just remember many pediatricians (at least when I got out of training 20 plus years ago) were making 80-90k in big cities and being a “partner” meant making 140-150k. Not a lot of money. IM barely making 110k as well anesthesia was paying 220k when I came out and partners made 450k.
So primary care paid poorly. So the average net worth of a primary care doc with 20 plus year experience is much less than you think.

Yes by definition they should easily have at least one million net worth by now.

 

[sloh]

“Martin said that when Mangione moved into their Honolulu space in 2022, he mentioned his back issues and said he was hoping to get as healthy as possible in advance of a major back operation. “His spine was kind of misaligned,” Martin said. “He said his lower vertebrae were almost like a half-inch off, and I think it pinched a nerve. Sometimes he’d be doing well and other times not.”

But, he said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a 26-year-old man yearning for a normal lifestyle. Shortly after he moved into Surfbreak, Martin said, Mangione took a group surfing lesson and suffered such debilitating pain that Martin had to switch out his mattress. Later, he said, Mangione confided that he had no relationship because “he knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible. I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”

Friends said that Mangione lived with significant, sometimes debilitating back pain, and underwent surgery for it last year. R.J. Martin, the founder of a co-living community in Honolulu, said that when he met Mangione in 2022, he was a smart, accomplished and upbeat engineer who had come to Honolulu to work remotely. Martin had just founded a co-living community on the 40th floor of a highrise in Honolulu called Surfbreak, and Mangione interviewed to be among the initial 20 or so occupants paying about $2,000 per month to share quarters.”

 

[Hoya11]

“Martin said that when Mangione moved into their Honolulu space in 2022, he mentioned his back issues and said he was hoping to get as healthy as possible in advance of a major back operation. “His spine was kind of misaligned,” Martin said. “He said his lower vertebrae were almost like a half-inch off, and I think it pinched a nerve. Sometimes he’d be doing well and other times not.”

But, he said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a 26-year-old man yearning for a normal lifestyle. Shortly after he moved into Surfbreak, Martin said, Mangione took a group surfing lesson and suffered such debilitating pain that Martin had to switch out his mattress. Later, he said, Mangione confided that he had no relationship because “he knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible. I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”

Friends said that Mangione lived with significant, sometimes debilitating back pain, and underwent surgery for it last year. R.J. Martin, the founder of a co-living community in Honolulu, said that when he met Mangione in 2022, he was a smart, accomplished and upbeat engineer who had come to Honolulu to work remotely. Martin had just founded a co-living community on the 40th floor of a highrise in Honolulu called Surfbreak, and Mangione interviewed to be among the initial 20 or so occupants paying about $2,000 per month to share quarters.”

yeah he's starting to sound more like a rich kid, psychotic chronic LBP patient than the hero i had imagined.. as soon as i saw that spine xray post i cringed..

 

[sloh]

The irony about this case is that while Mangione's primary motive behind killing Thompson was UnitedHealthcare's practice of denying and delaying care, with what we know about patients who end up entwined in the pain industrial complex (pain docs, spine docs) undergoing countless procedures while becoming dependent on pain medications, he likely would have been better off avoiding the medical industrial complex in the first place. It's not uncommon less medicine is better medicine.

"Spoke with a source that had a lot of friends that went to high school with Luigi Mangione. What keeps coming up is a back surgery that “changed everything” for him and he went “absolutely crazy.” Checks out with his GoodReads history and the X-Ray in his header.

More info:
Back injury happened when he was surfing in Hawaii. Surgery didn’t go great. Moved to Japan. His contact with family stopped about a year ago. Recently the family reached out to his friends from high school asking if they had info on him. So he’s been pretty aloof for awhile. This checks out with his IG tagged photos as there were a lot of posts from family through 2023, none recently."

 

[centdoc]

I still think physicians are vastly underpaid for the work and liability they take on.


1000%

 

[gcc322]

Did he want to be caught? I don’t understand the discrepancy between his actions in NYC during the murder and being found in PA. It seemed like his initial plan was pretty good if the intention is to get away with it. But then to still have the gun and the fake ID’s? Didn’t change his appearance? Wild story.

 

[pgg]

Did he want to be caught? I don’t understand the discrepancy between his actions in NYC during the murder and being found in PA. It seemed like his initial plan was pretty good if the intention is to get away with it. But then to still have the gun and the fake ID’s? Didn’t change his appearance? Wild story.

Don't let yourself think he had a good plan in NYC just because he manged to sneak up on a guy on a public street, shoot him in the back, and then it took the authorities a week to find him.

He Forrest Gump'd his way through the whole thing.

 

[anonperson]

Did he want to be caught? I don’t understand the discrepancy between his actions in NYC during the murder and being found in PA. It seemed like his initial plan was pretty good if the intention is to get away with it. But then to still have the gun and the fake ID’s? Didn’t change his appearance? Wild story.

The guys just a mentally unstable murderer.

Got lucky with the murder.

 

[kidthor]

The federal government bans doctors from unionizing

There is no federal ban on doctors unionizing.

 

[G.A.S Team]

This criminal had a botched spinal procedure- you can see imaging of his screws circulating online. Questionable technique & indication for this type of procedure in a 26 year old who probably got kicked off his parent's health insurance plan.

 

[deleted1130227]

This criminal had a botched spinal procedure- you can see imaging of his screws circulating online. Questionable technique & indication for this type of procedure in a 26 year old who probably got kicked off his parent's health insurance plan.

silver lining for him, the incarcerated are the only Americans with a constitutionally protected right to health care. Doesn’t mean that the quality of that health care will be good.

 

[Gonio5]

There is no federal ban on doctors unionizing.

That is incorrect. Doctors are allowed to unionize to negotiate with the hospital administration if they are hospital employees. However, they are banned from unionizing to negotiate with insurance companies and Medicare.

 

[Teillard]

Is our resident Jesuit here.....?

Good pick up whether you googled that or are just well rounded, but don't let this:

Stop projecting your anger regarding the fact that CRNAs can’t pretend to be doctors into a discussion about the healthcare insurance industry.

distract from the message...I've profited immensely from the actions of guys like Brian Thompson too. Most of my bosses have been anesthesiologists and as they go so go their CRNA employees if its a successful business. I'm in the 99th percentile for US retirement savings right now but neither me nor my rich anesthesiologist employers are buying Luigi beer can koozies or hoodies. The response of some US physicians on this forum and others would indicate that some introspection is called for. If your hospital does robotic chole's and inguinal hernias *and* you derive some sick satisfaction from this guy getting shot in the back, you're lacking in situational awareness at the very least.

 

[NumTacos]

Good pick up whether you googled that or are just well rounded, but don't let this:

distract from the message...I've profited immensely from the actions of guys like Brian Thompson too. Most of my bosses have been anesthesiologists and as they go so go their CRNA employees if its a successful business. I'm in the 99th percentile for US retirement savings right now but neither me nor my rich anesthesiologist employers are buying Luigi beer can koozies or hoodies. The response of some US physicians on this forum and others would indicate that some introspection is called for. If your hospital does robotic chole's and inguinal hernias *and* you derive some sick satisfaction from this guy getting shot in the back, you're lacking in situational awareness at the very least.

I was educated by Jesuits; I know who you were referring to. Next time, if you want to assume the mantle of a famous polymath priest, maybe spell his name correctly? God bless.

 

[aneftp]

Could the jury just ignore all the evidence and find the defendant not guilty of murder? That’s a possibility.

Just like oj Simpson trial.

Just to stick it to the man.

 

[pgg]

Could the jury just ignore all the evidence and find the defendant not guilty of murder? That’s a possibility.

They could (jury nullification) but they surely won't.

Just like oj Simpson trial.

The OJ trial was tainted by police misconduct and incompetent prosecution. He claimed innocence 🙄 whereas this guy wrote a manifesto.

Just to stick it to the man.

Nah

Seems far more likely that the jury is going to get a presentation on the charitable life and times of the deceased with his grieving widow and children there in the courtroom, and this guy will have a nonzero number of outbursts in court because he's a lunatic (who happens to be correct about health insurance industry). They'll take enough time to deliberate in order to have a snack and some refreshments, then they'll be back with a guilty verdict.

 

[aneftp]

They could (jury nullification) but they surely won't.


The OJ trial was tainted by police misconduct and incompetent prosecution. He claimed innocence 🙄 whereas this guy wrote a manifesto.


Nah

Seems far more likely that the jury is going to get a presentation on the charitable life and times of the deceased with his grieving widow and children there in the courtroom, and this guy will have a nonzero number of outbursts in court because he's a lunatic (who happens to be correct about health insurance industry). They'll take enough time to deliberate in order to have a snack and some refreshments, then they'll be back with a guilty verdict.

Seems like the United healthcare ceo was separated from his wife for years. Separate homes. So I don’t think the grieving widow angle will be played.

He could also claim insanity. Jury may buy that. Apparently the lawyer the kid (and yes I consider 26 still a kid) , someone paid for a private high power local Pennsylvania attorney to handle the case. So the family is trying to keep a distance but likely gonna to funnel money to help him.

Like a former partner of mine. His kid got arrested for attempted murder plot. At least he didn’t got through with the plot. Cost him 300k in legal fees to get his son out of the legal mess.

But you are right. It’s gonna to be a tough hill to climb for Luigi. He’s a good looking kid. Mario is likely waiting for him in prison.

 

[Teillard]

I was educated by Jesuits; I know who you were referring to. Next time, if you want to assume the mantle of a famous polymath priest, maybe spell his name correctly? God bless.

That's not his name, its mine. My mom wasn't educated by the Jesuits but she admired Teilhard so much she named me after him. Didn't have the spelling handy I guess. God bless you, too.

 

[CubsDynasty]

Seems like the United healthcare ceo was separated from his wife for years. Separate homes. So I don’t think the grieving widow angle will be played.

He could also claim insanity. Jury may buy that. Apparently the lawyer the kid (and yes I consider 26 still a kid) , someone paid for a private high power local Pennsylvania attorney to handle the case. So the family is trying to keep a distance but likely gonna to funnel money to help him.

Like a former partner of mine. His kid got arrested for attempted murder plot. At least he didn’t got through with the plot. Cost him 300k in legal fees to get his son out of the legal mess.

But you are right. It’s gonna to be a tough hill to climb for Luigi. He’s a good looking kid. Mario is likely waiting for him in prison.

More likely he’ll meet Bowser

 

[deleted87051]

The surveillance photos look a lot different from his mugshot. Our daughter who is also 26 says he looks cute in the surveillance photos but not as cute in the mugshots. His unibrow grows really fast. A little grooming goes a long way. Amazing how your looks can decline when you’re on the lam.

 

[NumTacos]

That's not his name, its mine. My mom wasn't educated by the Jesuits but she admired Teilhard so much she named me after him. Didn't have the spelling handy I guess. God bless you, too.

My apologies, had no idea. He’s actually a personal favorite of mine, just so you know. A little on the speculative side, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[dchz]

This criminal had a botched spinal procedure- you can see imaging of his screws circulating online. Questionable technique & indication for this type of procedure in a 26 year old who probably got kicked off his parent's health insurance plan.

Assuming the X-ray was his, this is an underrated comment. One of my partners pointed this out today and feel like I'm an idiot for missing the details.