University of Arizona c/o 2024?

[mellyminiangel]

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I mean sure what's the risk? If they don't get approval you can still go even just have to take ECFVG test that costs lots of money, is often reported to be difficult to pass and takes many attempts. Many people spend upwards of $10k going through those steps to obtain the ability to get a US license. But sure... no harm, no foul.

Most people who will apply to UA also applied to other schools. If per chance the *only* school they got accepted to was UA, then that would their decision to go to a potentially unaccredited school. It’s not that risky until you decide to go.

 

[mellyminiangel]

I understand where people are coming from, and I thank you for your inputs and opinions. But I see a different way to look at the situation. I’m choosing to give the school the benefit of the doubt for the moment, rather than toss around what may happen and strip their choices down to an exactness which cannot be understood since we don’t know the whole story.

And no, I am not in vet school yet. And no, I am aware that I will not truly understand the difficulties until I’m actually there. If people on here who have commented are in vet school or have already finished it, that’s fine and food that you want to share the perspectives of those who have gone through the process. But tearing the school apart because “another vet school won’t solve anything” is not necessarily immediately helpful for potential applicants. Most of the comments have been, in a nutshell, “don’t bother applying” for such and such reason. However, this thread, as the others, are supposed to be for those who want to apply or have applied.

We can debate and criticize the if’s and but’s from now until April but until there is something concrete, we can only go off the information we have, which isn’t defined (either negatively or positively). The risk I associated with applying here is the same as applying to LMU or Western, which, according to these threads, the former was radio silence to last years applicants until September, while the latter over accepted and forced people to defer and potentially breaking the rule about the AVMA April 15th deadline.

Again, I understand your concerns, and I have taken them into consideration. But until I actually choose to send my deposit in to UA, sending in a free application won’t hurt. People sometimes take gambles, and for now and for me, this is a relatively painless gamble to see where the chips fall (even if the other commenters don’t think it’s a good idea). If I end up not even getting accepted, then that’s the end of it. If they end up not getting the letter, then that will be the end of it for me too. But we’ll never know if we don’t try; UA may end up being a great vet school (and yes, I understand it very well may not). That’s all I’m saying, and I didn’t join this thread to bicker with vet students/veterinarians over a school that may/may not/should/should not whatever.

 

[battie]

To be clear, if they don't get their letter of reasonable assurance, they will not be able to matriculate a class. In order to take the PAVE and ECFVG, a student needs to attend a school where they would be able to be licensed in their country of origin. Since an unaccredited UA student would not be in that category, then they would be ineligible to take those test.

If there's no application costs, then sure, go for it. My concern is pre-vets throwing away up to a thousand dollars or more (including interview) for a school that can't even guarantee accepting a single person, let alone graduating them.

 

[ajs513]

I think something people are forgetting (although DVMD did mention it) is that this school is geared toward creating more rural GP’s. The school’s website discusses this, and the description of their curriculum this far mentions how many of the animal handling experiences you get are with horses and production animals. The lack of breaks, meaning inability to do any externships, leads me to believe that you wouldn’t be gaining the small animal experience that you could get at most other schools. Unless you want to go into production animal medicine or equine medicine, you may be cutting down on your options for experience with those animals.

In my class of I think 124 students, maybe 30-40 people want to do large animal/production animal/equine medicine. And this is at a school that has great facilities for those fields (and there are many many others as well with exceptional LA facilities). I can’t imagine that U of A would have any higher of a ratio of LA to SA interests, meaning that most of the class would be going to a school that isn’t serving their career goals.

Schools like Western and LMU, which also use the distributive model, are 4 year programs. Even if students at these schools can’t spend a ton of time in different departments gaining small animal experience in veterinary settings during the school year, they can do externships on breaks to explore different career options. In an accelerated program with no teaching hospital, you don’t have the option to go and shadow in your free time, or do externships during the summer to experience different specialties. Everything that you experience is what’s part of the curriculum, and in a school that focuses on pumping out rural vets, that experience likely won’t come close to matching the SA experience you could gain at other schools.

I’m still not saying people shouldn’t apply overall. That’s your own decision and if you think the program sounds like a good fit, then go for it. But definitely think about what your career goals are and if a school like this can help you achieve those over another school. With all of the factors in mind (accelerated, brand new, rural focus, no breaks), it seems very risky for people who want to do SA medicine.

 

[SkiOtter]

We can debate and criticize the if’s and but’s from now until April but until there is something concrete, we can only go off the information we have, which isn’t defined (either negatively or positively). The risk I associated with applying here is the same as applying to LMU, which, according to these threads, was radio silence to last years applicants until September

The difference between LMU/Midwestern, the two new schools that just got full accreditation, is that they HAD their letter of reasonable assurance BEFORE they started accepting applications. That means that the COE determined that their school met all of the accreditation standards and their curriculum was fine and all they needed to do was accept a class of students and then graduate them. They had the go ahead from the COE and their students would be going to a school that was provisionally accredited and would receive full accreditation if their first class graduated and had at least an 80% NAVLE pass rate. UofA doesn’t even have that. They don’t have that letter saying they’re good to go and will become fully accredited if they graduate a class.
THAT is what everyone’s problem is here.

 

[deleted676737]

To be clear, if they don't get their letter of reasonable assurance, they will not be able to matriculate a class. In order to take the PAVE and ECFVG, a student needs to attend a school where they would be able to be licensed in their country of origin. Since an unaccredited UA student would not be in that category, then they would be ineligible to take those test.

That's what I figured but was too lazy busy with work to look it up. Thanks for clarifying. Ignore my point about SMU, then.

We can debate and criticize the if’s and but’s from now until April but until there is something concrete, we can only go off the information we have, which isn’t defined (either negatively or positively).

Sure, which is why I am urging people to really think it over before they apply. Caution. That's all I'm advising at this point; even if U of A receives reasonable assurance and is able to open its doors and move on with accreditation in good standing, as they most likely will, there are still the very real concerns regarding the structure of the program and the likely outcomes of burnout and higher attrition rates.

The risk I associated with applying here is the same as applying to LMU or Western, which, according to these threads, the former was radio silence to last years applicants until September, while the latter over accepted and forced people to defer and potentially breaking the rule about the AVMA April 15th deadline.

I don't think that these things can be equivocated, though.

- Both schools are fully AVMA-accredited and, as has been previously mentioned multiple times, LMU in particular, as well as Midwestern that same year, did not begin accepting applications for entry into their first class until after they already had their letter of reasonable assurance in hand. They didn't open applications while they were still waiting for word from the COE; they held out until until the next full application cycle when they could make that guarantee for applicants and those who matriculated that they would leave the program with an accredited degree.

- The situation with Western during the previous cycle was abnormal, yes, and I've spoken out about it quite a bit (as well as written to the AAVMC). Overaccepting students isn't unprecedented and it has occurred numerous times before at a few schools. My hope is that this was just a one-time anomaly for Western and that they have determined a better route to handle it if it becomes an issue again.

Again, I understand your concerns, and I have taken them into consideration. But until I actually choose to send my deposit in to UA, sending in a free application won’t hurt. People sometimes take gambles, and for now and for me, this is a relatively painless gamble to see where the chips fall (even if the other commenters don’t think it’s a good idea). If I end up not even getting accepted, then that’s the end of it. If they end up not getting the letter, then that will be the end of it for me too. But we’ll never know if we don’t try; UA may end up being a great vet school (and yes, I understand it very well may not). That’s all I’m saying, and I didn’t join this thread to bicker with vet students/veterinarians over a school that may/may not/should/should not whatever.

Yes. Send in your application if you believe in the school and think that it can be great and that you'll thrive there. That's awesome. I even said in a previous post that I absolutely think you should apply if you're seriously interested in attending, especially since there isn't an application fee at this time. I personally wouldn't, but that's me. You're not me.

No one here has explicitly stated that you or others shouldn't apply, unless I missed something. In which case, please feel free to quote the post and point it out. We're simply outlining our concerns, as bystanders, with how the program is structured.

Moreover, I don't feel like we've been bickering; a few people (myself included, probably) have been a bit harsh or blunt perhaps, but everyone's been respectful thus far and we've been having good discussion. I think it's important that potential applicants to this school read and really try to digest what's being posted. I'm not in the business of discouraging people from applying outright, but as someone who attended vet school thinking everything would work out fine and then, oops, it didn't all work out and now I'm stuck with a six-figure debt for literally nothing... I am in the business of making sure applicants are informed and aware of all of the risks before plunging in with little forethought as pre-vets so often do. All we can do is offer up our experiences and the knowledge we've gained over the process, and if they still choose to ignore it and wind up getting themselves in a bad situation, well... at least they can't say that they weren't warned?

 

[SkiOtter]

I don't think that these things can be equivocated, though.

- Both schools are fully AVMA-accredited and, as has been previously mentioned multiple times, LMU in particular, as well as Midwestern that same year, did not begin accepting applications into their first class until after they already had their letter of reasonable assurance in hand. They didn't open applications while they were still waiting for word from the COE; they held out until they could make that guarantee for applicants and those who matriculated that they would leave the program with an accredited degree.

- In regard to LMU's radio silence... that's pretty normal. The overwhelming majority of vet schools send out zero correspondence until interview invites or final decisions (if they do not hold interviews). And, then, the majority of schools that do send out interview invites don't actually do so until November-December at the earliest. Hell, I didn't hear anything from my IS school until February when I applied. Granted, I never cared to look much into LMU, so I don't know how their exact admissions timeline shakes out so maybe it's abnormal for them, but it's not weird in the bigger picture of vet school admissions as a whole. Over the past couple of years, I've seen more and more pre-vets in various threads freaking out over not hearing anything as early as October or even September, and I can't help but wonder if schools like Midwestern and LMU which have rolling admissions are conditioning them to think that there's something wrong if schools aren't contacing them at all by the end of September when that's actually the norm.

I think what she was referring to with LMU was them not announcing full accreditation until September when they actually received it. They were still in provisional accreditation after their first class graduated and then were fully accredited in September. Which is what I was talking about in my last post. LMU HAD a letter of reasonable assurance and provisional accreditation. They HAD the go ahead from the COE to have students. UofA does not.

 

[deleted676737]

I think what she was referring to with LMU was them not announcing full accreditation until September when they actually received it. They were still in provisional accreditation after their first class graduated and then were fully accredited in September. Which is what I was talking about in my last post. LMU HAD a letter of reasonable assurance and provisional accreditation. They HAD the go ahead from the COE to have students. UofA does not.

Good catch, I think you're right. I'd forgotten about that entire deal. I misinterpreted, then. Thanks.

And, yes, it's still completely different from the current situation with U of A.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

I think something people are forgetting (although DVMD did mention it) is that this school is geared toward creating more rural GP’s. The school’s website discusses this, and the description of their curriculum this far mentions how many of the animal handling experiences you get are with horses and production animals. The lack of breaks, meaning inability to do any externships, leads me to believe that you wouldn’t be gaining the small animal experience that you could get at most other schools. Unless you want to go into production animal medicine or equine medicine, you may be cutting down on your options for experience with those animals.

In my class of I think 124 students, maybe 30-40 people want to do large animal/production animal/equine medicine. And this is at a school that has great facilities for those fields (and there are many many others as well with exceptional LA facilities). I can’t imagine that U of A would have any higher of a ratio of LA to SA interests, meaning that most of the class would be going to a school that isn’t serving their career goals.

Schools like Western and LMU, which also use the distributive model, are 4 year programs. Even if students at these schools can’t spend a ton of time in different departments gaining small animal experience in veterinary settings during the school year, they can do externships on breaks to explore different career options. In an accelerated program with no teaching hospital, you don’t have the option to go and shadow in your free time, or do externships during the summer to experience different specialties. Everything that you experience is what’s part of the curriculum, and in a school that focuses on pumping out rural vets, that experience likely won’t come close to matching the SA experience you could gain at other schools.

I’m still not saying people shouldn’t apply overall. That’s your own decision and if you think the program sounds like a good fit, then go for it. But definitely think about what your career goals are and if a school like this can help you achieve those over another school. With all of the factors in mind (accelerated, brand new, rural focus, no breaks), it seems very risky for people who want to do SA medicine.

You brought up a valid point I'd like to touch on. I just wanted to touch on the being "geared to rural gp" or LA persay. Alot of people have zero clue what it takes to be the jack of all trades for all species and have enough knowledge and persay gut in some situations to get things done in this realm and be good at it with what money is available. TBH the schools do a terrible job at preparing people for that. Part of it is yes because they are teaching a Gold standard of care which is great but also it's own pitfall plus you have all these toys that mostly are "for fun" because the farmer isnt ever going to pay for a CT on his farm dog eventhough he might really need one. Getting an xray or US might even be questionable. They dont teach you how to treat parvo for $100. Great theyll have more animal handling of equines and production animals. Everyone who knows that's what they want to do dont need more of that-we came from that 4H/FFA/ ranching backgrounds. TBH most the people who are LA/mixed focus in my class only say that because they're not sure that's what they want to do or they think I'd really like to work on cows-they have no business stepping on a rancher's property they figure you out in 8 seconds flat if you know your stuff and it cant be taught in vet school. The true people who know that's what they want are few and far between even that 30-40 people in your class. Realistically maybe more like 10 people who will actually end up doing that post graduation. A few years ago out of the 150+class at CSU my old boss had 5. 5 grads to choose from who were even remotely interested in rural GP work.

Also these people need the externships and summer opportunities more than anyone. I need to be good at ER med for small animals and horses. That means I need the time at equine speciality hospitals so I can know when to say sorry you really need drive 5+ hours to the nearest equine surgery center for colic while also trying to stabilize that patient for that transport time. Same goes for SA I need to know how to assess the dog that just got hit by a car or what have you because the nearest SA ER is over an hour away and that pet is going to die if I send them away because they need stabilized now. Are there limiting factors absolutely and I need to know when to say you need to go straight to ER vs come here or some balance inbetween.

Honestly the goal of making more rural mixed/LA practitioners is a pipe dream for any school. Lots of people change for lots of reasons. If it's not money its because of the hours or getting beat up-LA med is hard on your body. Plus people in general are wishy washy as all get out. I have other thoughts on the subject but must got to work. For another time...

 

[ERVetTech]

TBH most the people who are LA/mixed focus in my class only say that because they're not sure that's what they want to do or they think I'd really like to work on cows-they have no business stepping on a rancher's property they figure you out in 8 seconds flat if you know your stuff and it cant be taught in vet school.

Honestly kind of a close-minded way of looking at it, some of the vets I know who practice large animal medicine never touched a cow before vet school. The whole point of vet school is to be taught how to be an effective practitioner for whichever species of animals you choose to serve. Just saying....

 

[DVMDream]

I thought it was LMU that overaccepted and rescinded the acceptances of a bunch of students because they didn't have the space. And they were just kind of like "well, we are rolling admissions so too bad". Actually I know this happened at one point there was a huge thread about it.

I don't know about Western but wasn't paying much attention to this last app cycle so it could have happened with them too.

But it did for sure happen with LMU and they were just rescinding offers.

 

[deleted676737]

I thought it was LMU that overaccepted and rescinded the acceptances of a bunch of students because they didn't have the space. And they were just kind of like "well, we are rolling admissions so too bad". Actually I know this happened at one point there was a huge thread about it.

I don't know about Western but wasn't paying much attention to this last app cycle so it could have happened with them too.

But it did for sure happen with LMU and they were just rescinding offers.

It happened with LMU for the c/o 2018 (iirc; I was just lurking the forums at the time but I do remember the huge stink it caused) and Western for the c/o 2023.

 

[DVMDream]

Most of the comments have been, in a nutshell, “don’t bother applying” for such and such reason. However, this thread, as the others, are supposed to be for those who want to apply or have applied.

Actually, this hasn't been stated anywhere in the thread.

People have only stated the concerns/cautions people considering applying should have. If you are pulling away the above, that is on you. No one said don't bother apply just be aware of x, y and z if you do apply. And don't take away time from applying to the schools you are applying for through NAVLE to apply to this school. Though I think the NAVLE application has closed at this point, can't remember, it has changed a lot since I applied.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Honestly kind of a close-minded way of looking at it, some of the vets I know who practice large animal medicine never touched a cow before vet school. The whole point of vet school is to be taught how to be an effective practitioner for whichever species of animals you choose to serve. Just saying....

I'm not saying people cant be good practitioners and switch (I know a few), but vet school isnt going to teach someone the basics like what breed of cow that is. Not kidding have worked with new grads and switching vets that have showed up and couldn't identify the breed of cow/didnt know how to be safe around different large animals. Imparitive to medicine not necessarily but if someone steps out on a dairy and calls a holstein a jersey I doubt they're going to ask you back. Do you have to know every breed? No but there are certain things that vet school doesnt teach people or its brushed over that's important to being successful in that field. If someone switches they just have to put in some extra work to make up that knowledge gap and vet school isnt going to give you that.

 

[DVMDream]

I'm not saying people cant be good practitioners and switch (I know a few), but vet school isnt going to teach someone the basics like what breed of cow that is. Not kidding have worked with new grads and switching vets that have showed up and couldn't identify the breed of cow/didnt know how to be safe around different large animals. Imparitive to medicine not necessarily but if someone steps out on a dairy and calls a holstein a jersey I doubt they're going to ask you back. Do you have to know every breed? No but there are certain things that vet school doesnt teach people or its brushed over that's important to being successful in that field. If someone switches they just have to put in some extra work to make up that knowledge gap and vet school isnt going to give you that.

Vet school most definitely covered breeds of cattle, horses, dogs, cats, pigs, sheep, goats. Not sure where you're hearing they didn't. Very possible a new grad doesn't recall cattle breeds from years prior, doesn't mean it wasn't taught. We have to learn those things as well as (for horses) colors, blazes, stripes, socks, etc for health certificate purposes.

 

[awesomenessity]

I'm not saying people cant be good practitioners and switch (I know a few), but vet school isnt going to teach someone the basics like what breed of cow that is. Not kidding have worked with new grads and switching vets that have showed up and couldn't identify the breed of cow/didnt know how to be safe around different large animals. Imparitive to medicine not necessarily but if someone steps out on a dairy and calls a holstein a jersey I doubt they're going to ask you back. Do you have to know every breed? No but there are certain things that vet school doesnt teach people or its brushed over that's important to being successful in that field. If someone switches they just have to put in some extra work to make up that knowledge gap and vet school isnt going to give you that.

So our school is actually very similar to what UofA is trying to be... we have a distributed vet learning community for 4th year, we have a mandate to produce more rural GPs, and we have a strong cattle/equine focus. They absolutely teach us the "need to know to seem competent to a producer" stuff here. We have a two week course in first year entirely dedicated to that, and then throughout the years we get it reinforced. Most people that don't have a deep interest in the topic at hand obviously won't remember it as well as those that do (like I only know a handful of cat breeds, for example), but that doesn't mean it isn't covered. And certainly doesn't mean you can't go and talk with producers, etc.

And on the note of not getting enough SA time... our school turns out 80-90% small animal veterinarians despite having an equine/cattle/rural focus. And they do wonderfully, even without having to pursue outside externships.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Vet school most definitely covered breeds of cattle, horses, dogs, cats, pigs, sheep, goats. Not sure where you're hearing they didn't. Very possible a new grad doesn't recall cattle breeds from years prior, doesn't mean it wasn't taught. We have to learn those things as well as (for horses) colors, blazes, stripes, socks, etc for health certificate purposes.

I'm sure it varies school to school but we haven't had anything of like these are your like 10 major cow breeds, pig breeds, etc yet maybe next year because there's nothing in the curriculum this year or last year. All the people I'm talking about graduated from various schools. Just the experiences I have had at least some people think they want to work large/mixed and dont work out for a variety of reasons-alot of times because they dont know/arent comfortable with those simple things. I think people who are committed to being that person definitely can be/there are those people. I've just experienced alot more wannabes unfortunately and it for sure promotes bias/severe skepticism on my part for people who say they wanna be large/mixed but didnt touch a cow before vet school. In the end I dont think that schools can make a focus persay and fix the rural issue the way things are currently setup in the US and the way schools purpose to do so like U of A.

So our school is actually very similar to what UofA is trying to be... we have a distributed vet learning community for 4th year, we have a mandate to produce more rural GPs, and we have a strong cattle/equine focus. They absolutely teach us the "need to know to seem competent to a producer" stuff here. We have a two week course in first year entirely dedicated to that, and then throughout the years we get it reinforced. Most people that don't have a deep interest in the topic at hand obviously won't remember it as well as those that do (like I only know a handful of cat breeds, for example), but that doesn't mean it isn't covered. And certainly doesn't mean you can't go and talk with producers, etc.

And on the note of not getting enough SA time... our school turns out 80-90% small animal veterinarians despite having an equine/cattle/rural focus. And they do wonderfully, even without having to pursue outside externships.

ETA: we might have had a course that was supposed to be that year 1 now that I think about it-but it was a big mess/issue so alot of things with that course were not done right for my year. So maybe?

 

[JaynaAli]

My school also taught cattle breeds, horse breeds/colors/markings, cat breeds, dog breeds, alpaca vs llama, and maybe even sheep/goat breeds first year. They covered basic animal handling, safety, and physical examination skills for all those species plus exotics in the same course.

A school can strive to make large animal vets all day, but until they make it affordable enough to go to school to where you can actually make a living on the often below-average rural salary, it's just not going to happen in any large scale...people will go where the money/more secure financial future is. Someone can want to do horses and cows in North Forty, Texas with all their heart, but when they owe 350,000+ in loans (heck, maybe even 150-200k+ really), even with income-based repayment options, they may never be able to pay their loans (even with income-based payment) and enough for the taxes at the end plus pay their other living expenses on their rural salary. So those graduates that wanted to do rural mixed go into small animal med where they can actually make a living. I'm not saying that money is the only reason, but it's a big one.

 

[battie]

I wanted to move back to my small undergrad town in Nebraska. I'd have no problem hitching on to one of the rural vets there and learning all the production med stuff. The problem is the average *family* income is ~45k/year. That kind of family income doesn't lend itself to a lot of spare cash for treating their pets. Even the local ranches with beef cattle limit how much they spend per cow. There's no way those incomes in that type of area can support 230k in loans for an OOS student from UA. That's honestly even a stretch for someone with 150-200k in loans.

 

[EngrSC]

Adding to what @batsenecal posted:
So according to a student loan repayment calculator ... for $150,000 in student loans at 6% interest the monthly payment would be $899.33 per month to pay it off in 30 YEARS. To comfortably repay a student loan, your monthly payment should be no more than 10% of your income. According to this guideline, annual income should ideally be $108,000 to pay back this loan without financial stress.

Not sure if that’s relevant to anything, I just like numbers. And this goes to show that practicing in a rural community when you have student loans isn’t really realistic (unless you have a high-earning SO or a sugar daddy or something)

 

[deleted676737]

To comfortably repay a student loan, your monthly payment should be no more than 10% of your income.

Well... I'm properly ****ed and will never be able to afford a standard repayment plan, then. My current debt-to-income ratio is something like 6:1. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Thank goodness for PAYE.

 

[DVMDream]

Well... I'm properly ****ed and will never be able to afford a standard repayment plan, then. My current debt-to-income ratio is something like 6:1. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Thank goodness for PAYE.

Yup, I'm in this camp too. It just is what it is at this point. Can't change it so keep trudging along for now paying what I can through IBR.

 

[EngrSC]

Well... I'm properly ****ed and will never be able to afford a standard repayment plan, then. My current debt-to-income ratio is something like 6:1. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Thank goodness for PAYE.

I’m so sorry 🙁

 

[deleted676737]

Yup, I'm in this camp too. It just is what it is at this point. Can't change it so keep trudging along for now paying what I can through IBR.

I understand how it goes. At least I’m not alone in that, I guess.

I’ll be honest, though... the fact that income-based options exist is one of only a couple of things that are keeping me from just giving up entirely. It sucks because what happened to me is technically my fault, and I acknowledge that, but it still stings knowing that I’m going to have to carry this massive albatross around my neck for decades to come with absolutely nothing to show for it. All of that money and time spent down the drain. I don’t even know how I’m going to manage to save up enough for the tax bomb at the end.

Sorry. Have had kind of a rough day.

 

[DVMDream]

I understand how it goes. At least I’m not alone in that, I guess.

I’ll be honest, though... the fact that income-based options exist is one of only a couple of things that are keeping me from just giving up entirely. It sucks because what happened to me is technically my fault, and I acknowledge that, but it still stings knowing that I’m going to have to carry this massive albatross around my neck for decades to come with absolutely nothing to show for it. All of that money and time spent down the drain. I don’t even know how I’m going to manage to save up enough for the tax bomb at the end.

Sorry. Have had kind of a rough day.

You have nothing to be sorry about. I still think educational costs in this country need a massive overhaul. No young person just trying to getting their footing in life should be saddled with the amount of debt required to obtain a degree.

 

[battie]

pay it off in 30 YEARS.

Are there even loan options that run to 30 years? I thought the max was 25.

 

[Teepster87]

Has anyone actually attempted applying yet? I poked around their site and got sent to the liasoncas system, but was unable to even find their program.

 

[c0smopolitan]

Has anyone actually attempted applying yet? I poked around their site and got sent to the liasoncas system, but was unable to even find their program.

On their website I believe it links to a 2019 cycle? If so, replace that with 2020 and you should be able to see what it looks like. This link might work.

 

[EngrSC]

Are there even loan options that run to 30 years? I thought the max was 25.

Not a clue haha

 

[SkiOtter]

Has anyone actually attempted applying yet? I poked around their site and got sent to the liasoncas system, but was unable to even find their program.

I def found it 🤣
Why did I make an account? I do not know
Did I make it with an email address I no longer even have access to? You bet

 

[KCgophervet]

I just came here to grumble about new vet schools opening up. And charging comparable tuition without having any of the expenses of a teaching hospital to justify it. Grumble.

 

[blueheeler]

It happened with LMU for the c/o 2018 (iirc; I was just lurking the forums at the time but I do remember the huge stink it caused) and Western for the c/o 2023.

I just finished reading that thread this morning. It was a wild ride. 😱 I felt awful for those applicants that got their acceptances pulled away from them.

 

[ajs513]

I just finished reading that thread this morning. It was a wild ride. 😱 I felt awful for those applicants that got their acceptances pulled away from them.

To make matters worse, a bunch of us submitted complaints to the AAVMC and after months of waiting they basically just said “sorry they’re fine.” Then why does the deadline exist???

 

[Nova11Athena]

I think Arizona pulled their application from gradcas. Someone told they had it almost finished and went back in and now It doesn't exist

 

[DishonorOnUrCow]

My app is still showing up.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

One of our anatomy professors took a job with U of A-supposedly with the vet school department. She leaves at the end of the month. Not really sure how that fits into everything but theres that. Shes really about making life of students the best it can be so at least there will be one person there rooting for student's mental health and wellbeing+learning outcomes.

 

[Caiter92]

One of our anatomy professors took a job with U of A-supposedly with the vet school department. She leaves at the end of the month. Not really sure how that fits into everything but theres that. Shes really about making life of students the best it can be so at least there will be one person there rooting for student's mental health and wellbeing+learning outcomes.

I’ve heard this as well. If it’s true, she’ll definitely do whatever she can to support students. My friend and I use to just go hang out in her office before like every exam (anatomy and otherwise) first year basically just for a pep talk. And then also randomly other times too just to chat with her. Hands down one of the most caring people we have here and I’m really sad to see her go.

 

[DishonorOnUrCow]

That makes me both sad and happy as a WSU applicant/Arizona resident lol. I’m glad they’re recruiting some solid faculty, at least.

I still find it weird that they’re doing all of this behind the scenes without any announcement? I went through the LMU threads and I guess it’s not completely abnormal for new schools to be sketchy and uncommunicative, but still.

I’ve heard this as well. If it’s true, she’ll definitely do whatever she can to support students. My friend and I use to just go hang out in her office before like every exam (anatomy and otherwise) first year basically just for a pep talk. And then also randomly other times too just to chat with her. Hands down one of the most caring people we have here and I’m really sad to see her go.

 

[deleted676737]

FAQ

Typical questions asked about the Arizona College of Veterinary Medicine.

vetmed.arizona.edu

Was randomly checking the school's website today and it appears that the FAQ has been updated and some things clarified.

"In the spring of 2019, the AVMA Council on Education (COE) visited the brand-new University of Arizona CVM and met with Dean Julie Funk and various staff to administer a thorough review of the college. The outcome of this review should result in a Letter of Reasonable Assurance, the first step in our accreditation classification."

"While we are currently accepting applicant submissions, formal reviews will not begin until we receive notification from the COE. Don’t worry, Arizona CVM will notify applicants in early January concerning the status of their application, including whether they earned an invitation to the Multiple Mini Interviews (MMI) stage of the application process. Tentative dates for the MMI are January 17-19, 2020. To stay up-to-date on important CVM news, follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram."

So at least they're waiting until they receive the letter of reasonable assurance to wade through and review applications, as well as ask applicants to spend real money on travel and interview costs. That's... actually pretty considerate of them.

 

[DishonorOnUrCow]

Letter of Reasonable Assurance has been received.

 

[amwildlife]

I’m actually really looking forward to submitting my application. I would love to be the first class


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[asch97]

Okay so this might be a really dumb question, but if you’re the first graduating class, (which means the school is not yet accredited) do you have to take an additional test besides the NAVLE? Additionally, what if the school doesn’t earn accreditation and your the first graduating class? Thank you for any responses in advance!

 

[amwildlife]

Okay so this might be a really dumb question, but if you’re the first graduating class, (which means the school is not yet accredited) do you have to take an additional test besides the NAVLE? Additionally, what if the school doesn’t earn accreditation and your the first graduating class? Thank you for any responses in advance!

From what i read about LMU they have provisional accreditation so it’s like insurance for current students so they don’t get screwed over if they don’t make accreditation.
I’m not sure about the extra exams I’m trying to research it.


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[deleted676737]

Okay so this might be a really dumb question, but if you’re the first graduating class, (which means the school is not yet accredited) do you have to take an additional test besides the NAVLE? Additionally, what if the school doesn’t earn accreditation and your the first graduating class? Thank you for any responses in advance!

1. Nope. Just NAVLE (and any state-specific licensing exams, of course).
2. Because U of A's now received a letter of reasonable assurance, they will move onto the provisional accreditation stage once the first class matriculates. In the extremely unlikely event that they do not receive full accreditation once that inaugural class graduates, the students are protected and will still be considered to have earned accredited degrees.

The COE website has an Accreditation Policies and Procedures page if you have more questions.

 

[asch97]

Have they mentioned at all how many students will be accepted? Out-of-state vs in-state?

Also, I found it once, but I can no longer find the specific curriculum for each year highlighted. Does anyone have that information.

Thank you again!!

 

[SkiOtter]

Have they mentioned at all how many students will be accepted? Out-of-state vs in-state?

Also, I found it once, but I can no longer find the specific curriculum for each year highlighted. Does anyone have that information.

Thank you again!!

I think someone posted that in this thread previously. Not sure if it was on their site at all. Check the thread and see if you can find it

 

[amwildlife]

After working on the application for a few hours now it’s a long process but very through


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[deleted867257]

Have they mentioned at all how many students will be accepted? Out-of-state vs in-state?

Also, I found it once, but I can no longer find the specific curriculum for each year highlighted. Does anyone have that information.

Thank you again!!

View attachment 282105
For those curious, here is an “updated” curriculum for their program.

Not really a curriculum with like the actual listed classes you’ll be taking. But this is as good as they gave me when I inquired about it.

 

[amwildlife]

I’m trying to finish up the application and GradCAS isn’t working correctly


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[zoogrl29]

I’m trying to finish up the application and GradCAS isn’t working correctly


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I typed directly in like an idiot and it didn't save. ugh. What issues are you having?